What Is Going On With Jordan Peterson? | The Kyle Kulinski Show

[@plasticbutler]

There once was man named Jordan Whose life is such a misfortune He rants what he fears And ends up in tears Cuz he blows things out of proportion

[@AOPrinciple]

Lol thank you for this gem

[@Aboertmann]

Bravo. I love poetry and you summarized it so well with so few words.

[@Metamace]

👏👏

[@stefvanroey8191]

Bruh you did not need to flex on him this hard

[@AOPrinciple]

@@stefvanroey8191 😂

[@cumulus1869]

Nietzsche isn't fascist. His writings were taken by his sister (who was a fascist) after his death and were heavily edited so she could use them to justify her horrible fascist ideology. Nietzsche hated anti semites, he disliked nationalism, and while he thought that there was no objective meaning to life, he still believed in creating your own meaning which isn't Nihilism, but rather Absurdism in the style of Albert Camus.

[@excalibur2772]

I'd say his ass is definitely fascist. People like to clean him up but I genuinely don't know why. Other than his doubting of Christianity he had 0 profound ideas and a lot of his ponderings on history was just dead wrong.

[@TR4R]

Thank you for saying that. He mocked the politicians, he despised the antisemitics, he never portrayed the uberman as a racial concept... but it is easier to disguise him that way.

[@silverblood9456]

I would say he was more existentialist than absurdist. Specifically, his concept of overman is a constant surpassing of the self which would serve as meaning and a goal for the human species as a whole. This meaning would be constructed - that's the existentialist aspect.

[@warlockpaladin2261]

I'm not familiar with Camus, but I'll take your word for it since the rest of that is fair and square by what I know.

[@EmperorMordred]

Kyle should do more research before he makes statements like that...

[@Eliphas_Leary]

Peterson's behaviour reminds me of what Marx said: "If you find it hard to laugh at yourself, I would be happy to do it for you."

[@angiebams123]

Ha! So fitting!

[@johndoe-ep7qk]

brilliant! i'll have to remember that one

[@alvarogoenaga3965]

Was that Marx Groucho or Karl?

[@nas84payne]

Dunno if that quote is true or not, but I’ve certainly laughed at him a lot 😀

[@wryandwatchful]

This is a great example of why social media is rotting humanity’s mind. He said it not because it’s true, but because it would get him the likes and reaction he wanted.

[@Dan16673]

Thats the entire internet

[@sethsmith6910]

what's your handle?

[@nil981]

Social media is simultaneously the best and worst thing to have ever been invented.

[@Pete_xp]

​@@nil981hardly could put it as the best, several things have been a far greater net good

[@seanmatthewking]

I think he at least believed it and thought it was clever in the moment

[@Nathanatos22]

Einstein was quite explicit about his support for socialism, yet I’ve frequently heard right-wingers claim (as with Peterson’s tweet here) that Einstein was somehow anti-socialist-never with any evidence for that claim, of course. They’re always confused when I point them to Einsten’s essay “Why Socialism?” I don’t think they bother to read it.

[@cristianproust]

He is right though. A Libertarian socialist is as socialist as a national socialist. And being an intelectual that is a socialist is not the same as being a socialist intellectual (as someone who theorizes about Socialism and its applications). A ton of intellectuals were socialists. There are non of the socialist intellectuals who could be considered smart. All the rest require to put before words as "democratic" (I vote a democratic socialist party actually).

[@danielcrafter9349]

​@@cristianproust- wow, you wrote all that and still managed to get it all completely wrong

[@CoolMoeDea21]

Just like how they say MLK would be a Republican were he still alive today never mind his philosophy and what he stood for.

[@blackflagsnroses6013]

@@cristianprousto he’s not you literally just made up bull crap. National socialism is actually nationalism, the Nazi philosophers were clear of their disdain for socialism and used socialism as a synonym for nationalism

[@ottz2506]

its the same with Orwell. He wasn't shy about being a socialist. He literally said: "The Spanish war and other events in 1936-37 turned the scale and thereafter I knew where I stood. Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it." Those works would include the likes of Animal Farm and 1984 that they either read and misunderstood, didn't read or they read it, understood but kept quiet about it. Although Orwell did in fact say the left wing version of what Jordan said here when he stated that there was no such thing as a right-wing intellectual: "It should be noted that there is now no intelligentsia that is not in some sense “Left”. Perhaps the last right-wing intellectual was TE Lawrence."

[@brettg9481]

Karl Marx is the most academically cited intellectual in the world by a long shot.

[@discowolf25]

Everything is a reaction… too Marx. A reaction to a reaction to a reaction. He’s easily #1. 🫡

[@brettg9481]

@@discowolf25 I recall a time when Peterson couldn't keep the word Marxism out of his mouth for ten seconds though I am not sure he really knows what that word means to this day. Regardless, his behavior seems to not follow this new opinion of his on left wing intellectuals. He has certainly acted like at least one has existed in history.

[@MarcVL1234]

Marx cointed the term capitalism as a slur. Against any society that would make its only practically meaningful value capital. That can never go well, for either the society, or individual human nature. Adam Smith didn't name it. He just described it, & still pointed out that making the wealthiest pay their fair share was necessary. When the income tax was first introduced in the US, it wasn't much, & was *only* for the wealthiest.

[@danielcrafter9349]

​@@MarcVL1234- in the 70s, Income Tax in the US had a *90%* band beyond 1 Million

[@kyohahn5239]

Came here to comment this. There's no leaving Marx out of this. He is a giant.

[@mariusfacktor3597]

0:07 "There are no great socialist intellectuals" Albert Einstein, widely regarded as the smartest person who ever lived, was a socialist.

[@eragon78]

Its even dumber that he said "By definition" too lol. What the fuck does that even mean in this context? Is the definition of socialism that the person must also be a non-intellectual? He just threw that phrase out with zero care about what it actually means.

[@joshbobst1629]

@@eragon78 Yeah, throwing that line in there is a bit of Freudian slip, because it reflects that the whole haiku is just a semantic game he's playing and has no internal coherence.

[@PhilipAdair]

3:48

[@mariusfacktor3597]

@@PhilipAdair Yeah I made the comment before watching the whole thing.

[@Dayonetheone]

He's throwing it out there because he knows his audience is not well educated and will not research anything he says. So, no one will push back and question him.

[@leafyrox]

Jordan thinks he's the only intellectual. I think he's a joke.

[@davidsalo8397]

Like trump, he needs to go away.

[@Gregorypeckory]

He's only an intellectual at all by the narrowest of definitions; he does make his living apparently, by sharing his "thinking". But since he bloviates constantly on things he's not just ignorant, but stupid about and often is actually spreading outright disinformation, I think the words mercenary right wing propagandist are a far more accurate title than the misleading title of public intellectual. Intellectual is a term that implies a professional level of quality to one's discourse, and that's laughably missing.

[@mtalhaawais]

The epitome of pseudo-intellectualism.

[@nolongerblocked6210]

🎯🎯💯

[@rafters35]

Pseudo is your mother

[@malcolmjelani3588]

You mean yourself? Please leave Dr. Peterson alone.

[@Carlinisalive]

Even his old co workers and students have said the man is an idiot

[@cristianproust]

He is right though. A Libertarian socialist is as socialist as a national socialist. And being an intelectual that is a socialist is not the same as being a socialist intellectual (as someone who theorizes about Socialism and its applications). There are non who could be considered smart. All the rest require to put begore words as "democratic" (I vote a democratic socialist party actually). But democratic socialism has nothing to do with socialism. The welfare State feeds from the market in the capitalist sense. There is no democratic socialist party in Europe that has ANY interest in socialism, because it is incompatible with democracy. Rights for the workers, unions, and the welfare state as priority is not socialism, because lives within the market. Why on earth Americans call it socialism if it alienates people?. Because people are in love with appearing cool even if nobody is voting them. Peterson is right

[@WorldCitizen333]

I'm a former Peterson "fan" and Nathan Robinson's article was a real eye-opener for me. I used to like Peterson for the way he incorporated literature in his psychology lectures. Since he shot to fame I watched him betray his literary heroes one by one.

[@jammcguire1276]

So much of Peterson's horseshit is word salad and pretzel. He will pretzel any idea, ala Glenn Beck, to get back to his view. I can't imagine having this idiot as a psychologist! What a joke.

[@RodrigoFarias-vc1nm]

Robinson's article is a classic, way more than anything the grifter's ever farted out.

[@josephimperatrice5552]

​@@RodrigoFarias-vc1nm I stopped being a fan of Jordan Peterson after he started sounding more and more like a MAGA "Christian" Nationalist and less like a Libertarian!

[@anonymousbosch9265]

A guy in my mma class told me that I seem pretty smart so he assumed that I was a fan of Peterson, this made me think about what the right thinks smart is

[@johndoe-ep7qk]

yep. he's painting himself into a corner every time he whines and cries about "the men" in the world.

[@erwinsteneker4078]

Jordan Peterson is now a true believer of the myth of his own making.

[@zidneya]

And yet Jordan still lectures people to stop lying to themselves. Ironic isn't it?

[@Ifoughtpiranhas]

I've yet to see Jordan Peterson win a debate. When he starts to lose, which is often and early in every debate he participates in, he simply plays semantics with words and moves the goalposts on his opponents. He's an intellectual for 16 year old internet edge lords and middle aged men who peaked in high school.

[@itsallgoodman4108]

Or attack/placate the audience. He loves that psychological appeal

[@itsallgoodman4108]

The harris zizek dillahunty trio of debates would have been career ending for someone with a modicum of self awareness

[@clareshaughnessy2745]

Absolutely. In general he simply reiterates the bleedin’ obvious, but couches it in pseudo intellectual language so people are a little overawed by him. In fact, to catch his lack of intellectual rigour, you have to slow him down, because he says things like ‘there are no left wing intellectuals’ as though it’s fact, quickly moves on and builds a whole argument built on the foundations of the initial untruth.

[@kegsofvomitspit]

“Well first, we have to DEFINE the word………….” -Jordan Peterson, whenever he desperately needs to deflect

[@1tsrhodes]

the Zizek debate was a massacre. Jordan didn't even do the reading.

[@mathieuleader8601]

Dr. Peterson really sums up the phrase the shoemakers children go barefoot meaning that he has neglected his mental health in spite of being an expert in mental health.

[@patchwurk6652]

He hasn't been a recognized expert in mental health for awhile. Honestly at this point I'm questioning the validity of his credentials. I straight up can't remember the last time Peterson said anything about psychology that wasn't crackhead shit.

[@danielcrafter9349]

​@@patchwurk6652- and you should, considering he's been stripped of them

[@patchwurk6652]

@@danielcrafter9349 Right right, but I meant like I'm questioning the validity of the original credentials he had to begin with.

[@Mydogslove2laugh]

​@@danielcrafter9349 was he stripped of them? Honest question

[@letsomethingshine]

He allowed his clinical psychology license to expire/revoke because he refused to take the CEC/remedial-courses including the one(s) to teach him to correct himself on certain sexual (?) issues that he hyperfocuses on politically likely given his new sources of income and his developing mental damage from having been an “excessive”alcoholic from ages 14 to 24. He continues to have a PsyD (not a PhD), I believe, idk if colleges can strip those from their clients/customers. The PsyD degree is for clinal psychologists and professors of clinical psychology but he no longer has a practice license or interest to practice clinical psychology legally. Doubtful any schools would hire him to teach now that he has made a famous political fool out of himself.

[@canaan5337]

“There are no left-wing intellectuals” is like saying “there were no Nazi scientists”

[@pascal8306]

I thought what he said was that 'there are no 'great' left wing intellectuals?

[@LittleHarryBrother1]

@@pascal8306 Exactly. But apparently that's too much for people to grasp.

[@pascal8306]

@@LittleHarryBrother1 it’s like they’re tacitly agreeing with what he said.. why else would they misrepresent him?

[@LittleHarryBrother1]

@@pascal8306 People are too hung up on fighting the culture war. But to be fair, this seems to be true of Peterson as well nowadays ...

[@pascal8306]

@@LittleHarryBrother1 if you believe as Peterson does that everything in the west is at stake in how the so-called ‘culture war’ plays out then it’s no surprise he takes it as seriously as he does. To him it’s not a trivial matter, and calling it a culture war does trivialise it a bit, but Peterson is apparently more aware than most of what’s really at stake here.

[@sukulmati]

Dude was bodied so hard by Zizek in their debate that it completely broke him. He's scared of anyone with any kind of socialist label.

[@mikesmollin2043]

Right, Zizek is immediately who I thought of as soon as I saw that tweet, if his is correct then that means that JP is trash if he lost to a "non great intellectual"

[@livthedream5885]

@@mikesmollin2043yeah, also…his daughter claims they are “friends” with Zizek. Hmm. With friends like that…😒

[@livthedream5885]

I think Zizek went really soft on Peterson, actually.

[@sukulmati]

@@livthedream5885 he did because it quickly became apparent that Peterson was unprepared.

[@RodrigoFarias-vc1nm]

@@sukulmati I think you're all correct. Zizek went easy on him, because the grifter was so delusional he thought he didn't even have to acknowledge the actual words in the Communist Manifesto. It was so clumsy, dumb, and dishonest Zizek just couldn't treat him with the intellectual rigor he uses in actual academic settings. Remember when he asked Peterson for _one single_ postmodern Marxist and the grifter couldn't reply? Classic.

[@nolongerblocked6210]

Jorpson can't stand that he can't pretend to be a scholar on any subject he wants to casually wade into anymore & his bs has been called out as the bs it is

[@davidsalo8397]

Jordan explains the Dunning Kruger effect with his own brand of stupidity.

[@nash1328]

Noam Chomsky did research in linguistics that is still extremely important to this day

[@07Flash11MRC]

True. He even laid the groundwork for the entire field of theoretical computer science, which is even more important than all the things he did for linguistics and that says a lot about what a genius he was back then and still is.

[@RadioStaring]

It really seems he's deeply suffering from mental illness. I don't think this has a happy ending, he seems a bit disturbed. He used to just be the classic "old man yells at clouds" and the goofy "clean your room" guy, but he seems deeply paranoid about those who speak I'll about him. He speaks about those who disagree with him like they want to kill him. He needs to leave the public spotlight, probably forever, it hasn't been good for him.

[@markdouglas1601]

As a former fan of JP i agree with this take. I’d defend that he was more than just a shout at the clouds guy, but his fame has wrecked his legacy

[@katharinavonheydekampf]

I like what you said. I like your clarity and your compassion

[@caitthecat]

He destroyed his brain. I hope someone in his life gets him off social media.

[@super8nacho]

Jordan Peterson got one of the best downfalls of all time

[@jasondoolin6476]

Worst. It’s seriously sad, as someone who’s life may have been saved by his books and lectures.

[@fromeveryting29]

I hope he keeps falling, because I have zero faith he can come to his senses, be honest and contribte goodness to this world ever again. Whatever good he had, he gave it to the world. Now he is just dishonest, vengeful, insane and a bully.

[@Zachhatesyoutube]

@@fromeveryting29 His whole rise to fame was fraudulent too, he completely misrepresented that bill

[@jasondoolin6476]

@@fromeveryting29 come on, man.. we’re all human. Maybe he will turn back around. I’ve actually seen him oscillate back left slightly, at times, still. Even if he goes right back conservative. Time will tell

[@talyahr3302]

I've not finished the video yet, but I'm guessing Jordan is somewhere crying 😢

[@jonathanhijlkema8247]

Hahaha, thats probably true at least 8 out of 24 hours every day. The man needs therapy and someone to take his social media acces away, before he loses his sanity completely.

[@kyohahn5239]

Well undoubtedly, he still hasn't recovered from his trauma of his edging session to a trans woman.

[@jonathanhijlkema8247]

@@kyohahn5239 he also was almost killed by drinking some Apple cider vinegar, cant forget that, sure to be impactful on his mental health such a traumatic incedent lol

[@almosthelpless9374]

Noam Chomsky has a record number of citations in peer-reviewed research. Jordan Peterson can't even touch him.

[@martinsriber7760]

Well, they have comparably horrendous takes on Ukraine at least.

[@cristianproust]

Chomsky is not a socialist. "Libertarian socialist" is not socialist, that is why it has the word "libertarian" in front. If it was the case we should concede that it is appropriate to put the word "national" in front but then we would have a problem, wouldn't we?

[@martinsriber7760]

@@cristianproust It has "libertarian" in it to indicate it is not "authoritarian". Don't be ridiculous.

[@N00bcrunch3r]

@@martinsriber7760 *Based takes*

[@martinsriber7760]

@@N00bcrunch3r Ah yes, being useful idiot to Russia is so damn based...

[@TheRevies]

Jorpy is not dishonest, he’s a zealot/fanatic/fundamentalist. I think he truly believes what he’s saying because he’s genuinely that close-minded and ignorant.

[@blitz3391]

the only thing JP deserves from us is our indifference. He's like Ben Shap in a sense; he discovered he could be successfully by basically repeating the very same low fruit ideas, diving nose first into the right wing rhetoric, with very little effort. He's become a parody.

[@Cf.8463]

Maybe he agrees with right wing “rhetoric”. I can tell that the man believes in what he says. He’s not some shill

[@MG-vo7pz]

​@@Cf.8463If you listen and subscribe to Jordan Peterson, you'll believe anything he says. Lol

[@loudtim265]

He fried his brain with that “experimental” benzodiazepine detox. That’s exactly when he went completely off the deep end.

[@Darthpsychonis]

Exactly. Like a stroke victim who has partial brain damage, they are simply not the same person afterwards. I regard Jordan as clearly mentally ill, and not worth engaging. The only thing I take seriously is right-wing religious types who do take Jordan seriously.

[@stewpacalypse7104]

The Russians turned him into some kind on Manchurian Candidate of stoopidity.

[@martinsriber7760]

That screwed up his self-control, but he was nuts even before that.

[@cattibingo]

He put himself into a coma so he wouldn't have to experience withdrawals right? Whatever was used to induce that coma might have fried his brain

[@taravanova]

He got famous being a melodramatic transphobe. He was off the deep end before the detox. Working for right wing media corp is probably what removed his filter.

[@ridicule1313]

Both Plato and Aristotle literally the founders of western philosophy have deep skepticisms of the market as well, and both were very clearly and explicitly trying to figure out how a society could function towards the common good of all. Now, they also have serious skepticisms of democracy, but there’s nuance and complexity to that point.

[@useyourheadpliz]

Jordan is falling in the "trigger the libs" pit. Don't fall for it Kyle. Leave twitter alone a bit a tell us about policies more. Please.

[@patchwurk6652]

He talks about policies constantly, why the fuck do you people act like "This is all Kyle does" on EVERY SINGLE VIDEO that isn't exclusively policy? Also What About policies? Got something in particular you want him to talk about or what?

[@emhu2594]

I am so sick of hearing about far right outrage personalities. Do these videos get more clicks or something?

[@eminentbishop1325]

​@@emhu2594thats almost a guarantee

[@patrickquinlan3056]

@@emhu2594 Someone has to put Peterson back to bed. It is far too late for such an immature person to be up and about.

[@useyourheadpliz]

@patchwurk6652: Stupidity feeds on stupidity. Spending hours talking about twitter or political dramas has only two outcomes: - Kyle gets more views, and I get it, he needs to compete with all other contents and ride the algorithm. - Give exposure to people who feed on drama and media attention. It almost never brings any interesting thoughts or perspectives to the table; it is the path to idiocrasy. I see Kyle as a media outlet. He brings interesting perspectives or relays information that is not covered elsewhere. He does what he wants, but I like it much better when he talks about US or international political or judicial decisions rather than the same bullshit drama that is already covered WAYYYY to much everywhere else.

[@eoinc9511]

Jordan Peterson to fatherless boys “clean your room” Ten years later “I’m the only real intellectual in the discussion”

[@jonathanhijlkema8247]

Jordan Peterson is having mental issues, quite bad ones lol. The man is a emotional wreck and he has lost the ability to override his emotinal drifts. Maybe he is going crazy actually.

[@chuckharris4504]

jordan peterson is a word salad intellectual...!

[@Durrutitv]

"There are no great socialist intellectuals." - Man who famously got rekt by Slavoj Zizek in a debate on Marxism because the only Marx he had ever read was the cliffsnotes for Communist Manifesto.

[@dukedeguerre]

Kyle please bring back the phrase "smooth handjob"... It has been too long and cracks me up every time.

[@cambridgeanalytico9201]

I second this 😂

[@nolongerblocked6210]

🙋‍♂️ third

[@TheGreatestJediOfAllTime]

Finally someone’s bringing up the real issues

[@dukedeguerre]

Guys.... GUYS! Right on cue, he says it a few videos later.... "Fox Guet Defends DICTATORSHIPS" @ 6:14

[@roastbeefy0weefy]

Glad you mentioned Orwell. Everyone and their dad claims that dude, and he literally volunteered to go fight in war for socialism in a foreign country, then wrote an intellectually honest book about it. (Fun fact, he also got shot in the neck and almost died). EDIT: He also has an essay called "Can Socialists Be Happy?" which is very compelling, but this is what makes Orwell an intellectual and not a shill.

[@WillieWonka928D]

They think he's one of them because he heavily criticized Stalinist ideologies in Socialism when like, literally every socialist or communist thats not a Stalinist heavily criticizes Stalinism like its their fuckin job lol. Myself included.

[@street_cheeks]

Homage To Catalonia

[@roastbeefy0weefy]

@@street_cheeks My favorite quote from HTC: "I have no particular love for the idealized 'worker' as he appears in the bourgeois Communist’s mind, but when I see an actual flesh-and-blood worker in conflict with his natural enemy, the policeman, I do not have to ask myself which side I am on."

[@street_cheeks]

@@roastbeefy0weefy 💯

[@Che-e]

What's going on with him? Well some say environment but I think he was born that way.

[@12345langham]

He seems to be a big narc

[@PublicCommerce]

I think he had a lot of novel and insightful things to say early on but more and more he's turning into Pat Robertson. It's like once someone becomes famous enough they can't escape being eaten up by political tropes no matter how genuine they were at the beginning.

[@markdouglas1601]

Agreed. He got swallowed by ideology since the right kept sucking his D, and the left kept attacking him..he fell deeper and deeper to the right

[@itsallgoodman4108]

I think youre giving him too much praise. The so called “men” who were fans of his at my college were sad and bitter like 4 year olds being denied toys when they didnt get their way. He bred entitlement and sold it as masculinity

[@janglandis773]

Nothing Peterson said was novel and insightful. They had already been said by other psychologists who were able to explain these things in more understandable terms.

[@markdouglas1601]

@@janglandis773 very few psychologists are saying anything novel. Being a professor is just talking about theories other people came up with.

[@Nedly79]

The dude famously backed out of debate with Professor Wolff by by raising his speaking fees AFTER he initially agreed with the school hosting the event. Someone did a Google search and realized he would get his ass absolutely handed to him. He opted for Zizek instead, and still got owned.

[@michaeldoerksen2841]

Zizek was the Immediate downfall of Peterson. He didn't even know which way was up in that debate.

[@matttilley8620]

Ben Shapiro once gave pause to a question from a freshman university student. "Are there any intelligent people on the left?" His answer: "No." That's when people need to back away from these people carefully, regardless of their political ideology.

[@LiamSilverman]

i don’t think jordan peterson was ever super smart, i think he is just charismatic.. he is well studied and well spoken, in terms of psychology, but i don’t think he actually possesses strong critical thinking abilities

[@BradDoggett]

Jordan isn’t a smart guy. He tries really hard to sound like he is, by saying things like “Well, my idiosyncratic perspective of the domain.” That literally just means “In my opinion.” Yet he uses the most flowery language to say the most mundane, often illogical shit.

[@quentinkumba6746]

Let’s face it, right or wrong, Noam Chomsky would absolutely wipe the floor with Jordan Peterson.

[@LazarheaD]

When Jordan goes full schizo on Twitter, it's a good day.

[@lota68]

JP is a walking talking Dunning-Kruger effect

[@CrabCrow]

You're being too generous. He isn't using "intellectual" to mean "A person who is educated and spends time thinking critically" He's just using it as a synonym for "smart". He wanted to say "Socialists are dumb" but he had to cloak his juvenile comment in big words to make himself look like an "intellectual".

[@johndally7994]

When Dr. Peterson is considered a serious intellectual, we are in serious trouble.

[@seanshankredemption1603]

What’s funny is that righties don’t like people like Musk or Peterson until they showed how stupid they actually are, then they’ll take a bullet from them.

[@benjaminjameskreger]

Thank God he's not.

[@KingdomHeartsBrawler]

As someone who's studied existentialism, I really don't like you trying to imply that existential philosophers like Kierkegaard and Nietzsche were fascists. Their ideas were grotesquely misrepresented by fascist groups and, had they been alive to see these fascists in action, they would've been among their harshest critics. This is basically the same thing as when people try to say that the Communist dictatorships were perfect representations of Marx.

[@nsbd90now]

Also did grad level existential-phenomenology. Agree with you. You are correct. All these youtube people are a tad pseudo-intellectual. They "react" to things.

[@markmirabella4066]

Jordan “I had no idea benzos were addictive. Also, I’m an authority on clinical psychology” Peterson

[@smallworldbigworld-yi3xw]

Psychology is full of people who haven't mastered it, themselves. Perhaps it can't be, I don't know.

[@markmirabella4066]

@@smallworldbigworld-yi3xw I don’t expect mastery or perfection of my therapist, after all, my therapist is human. I expect honesty and knowledge. When Jordan went onto Joe Rogan and stated that there’s was no data until recently ( as in last 4 or 5 years) suggesting that benzodiazepines were physically addictive, when in fact there is about 30 years of data documenting benzodiazepine withdrawal syndrome (the data has been out nearly as long as the drugs) He was either lying, or lacked basic fundamental knowledge that most high schoolers who abuse the drugs have. Either way - he seemed to be avoiding responsibility.

[@smallworldbigworld-yi3xw]

@@markmirabella4066 Agreed, if that's what he said, it sounds like he's avoiding personal responsibility for his addiction.

[@MaddaTheApache]

Dude, it's really sad to see what a complete 180 this man has taken. Genuinely helped out a lot of people and was respected in the mental health field a number of years ago. This new version of him is almost unrecognizable. From a pretty straight forward self-help/psych teacher to a right-wing mouthpiece, it's a truly a sad sad fall. Now he's just honestly embarrassing :(

[@holysecret2]

Agreed. I used to respect him a lot and I myself have learned a lot from him. This is just sad.

[@jimijamesjowitt]

He is who he is. If what he says make you say he is right wing thats you saying youre a leftist without saying it. A right wing person still disagrees with him very often does that make him a leftist? Basing others social and public identity on what random peoples personal beliefs are is a new mental illness. Thinking they can retcon real humans with their fanfictions

[@GuitarWithBrett]

Is it a 180 though ? I’ve always seen him as a moralizing, attention seeking, insecure type who knows enough academic ideas to railroad everyone around him Even in his videos lecturing to students this is how I saw him , as he’s the type who doesn’t want to change his mind or really listen to others

[@itsallgoodman4108]

@@holysecret2ge appealed to insecure men and took credit for their natural evoltions in life. Dont give him credit for you getting your life straight my guy. In fact you should question why you were so niave as to follow that guy

[@carolynwebb8726]

Someone take money out of FN politics!

[@barkobama7385]

Friggin guy gets famous for saying you can't tell me what to do or say, and now spends his time all day telling people what to do or say. Pick a lane Peterson.

[@theatheistbrony9332]

A thought I had a while ago that keeps getting driven home more and more lately is that psychology professor, is one of the few jobs that allows someone with a psychology degree to get paid but doesn't also require the person to get a psych evaluation for themselves. I used to think that wasn't a coincidence that the more time goes on, the more I feel I may have been on to something there.

[@babstra55]

here are some quotes from his colleague from university of toronto who backed jordan peterson up for his tenure: "I was Jordan Peterson’s strongest supporter. Now I think he’s dangerous." "I am alarmed by his now-questionable relationship to truth, intellectual integrity and common decency, which I had not seen before. His output is voluminous and filled with oversimplifications which obscure or misrepresent complex matters in the service of a message which is difficult to pin down. He can be very persuasive, and toys with facts and with people’s emotions." "[In class,] Jordan presented conjecture as statement of fact. I expressed my concern to him about this a number of times, and each time Jordan agreed. He acknowledged the danger of such practices, but then continued to do it again and again, as if he could not control himself. He was a preacher more than a teacher." I think it's safe to say that other psychologist don't want anything to do with him.

[@thendsufi]

I’ve read multiple great socialist and anarchist intellectuals: Peter Kropotkin, Mikhail Bakunin, George Orwell, Noam Chomsky (at one point), Maurice Brinton, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, Lysander Spooner, Benjamin Tucker, Murray Bookchin, Emma Goldman, Luigi Fabbri, Bertrand Russell, Henry David Thoreau and many many more.

[@sm7baller435]

Oh god please stop - where’s Mao? Lenin ? Stalin ? James Connolly?? 😊

[@charisma-hornum-fries]

You're missing out on Rosa Luxemburg.

[@thendsufi]

@@sm7baller435 Mao, Lenin and Stalin were opportunistic state capitalists, not socialists. They used left-wing rhetoric as a shield to implement a largely right-wing rigid social hierarchy and structure.

[@kyle9401]

​@@sm7baller435oh God...please stop

[@robinmaclay2661]

True intellectuals, of any persuasion, mop the floor with Jordan Peterson.

[@pascal8306]

name one and provide one example of said mopping

[@iamtechnicallyasandwich566]

You forgot one intellectual: Kyle Kulinski 👑

[@chaunceystewart9960]

lol🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@edgargarred4319]

Kuck kulinski is an intelectual like homeopathy is science

[@rgruenhaus]

I wouldn't even know Jordan Peterson if you didn't mention him!

[@JP-jd8wr]

Same 😂 dude been a weirdo and I honestly think only a fool who can't do basic thinking as an adult would even take anything he says seriously.

[@patchwurk6652]

You don't know about one of the most well-known and heavily-cited "thinkers" by the Right for the past several years unless Kyle explicitly told you? Did you also not know who Alex Jones was until Kyle or are you done pretending to not know who an infamously hated celebrity is?

[@katharinavonheydekampf]

That's on you though....

[@corsoconner]

Jordan is a critical thinker by definition. His statement on socialism depicts a man who is certifiably insane by definition. Socialism is a counterbalance born of necessity in order to somehow survive the injustices and horrors of elitism and vulture capitalism.

[@UnicornClone]

Would it be inappropriate to remind people that a decade ago Peterson was addicted to psychiatric drugs? I firmly believe that is the root of all his problems and general craziness. Why anyone takes this man seriously amazes me.

[@hadara69]

What stood out about Kyle’s interview with JP was how “incensed” and “offended” JP seemed when Kyle DARED to drill down on anything. It’s almost as if…..HE’S A GRIFTER who just spews word-salad to give the RW an “intellectual” but when pressed, can ONLY react with hostility, disrespect, and hateful rhetoric that “otherizes” everyone else.

[@stuartfeltis5980]

One of his favorite performative outrage crutches is repeating, "That's a hell of a thing to say!" Even if whatever was said was calm and measured.

[@hadara69]

@@stuartfeltis5980 Exactly. "Trumpisms" like "You've never seen anything like it!", etc. Are now commonplace among the right-wing grifters. It all goes back to Roy Cohen and his Nazi rhetoric.

[@skatefastreadmarx5564]

Noam Chomsky is the most influential linguist of the 20th century, if not of all time.

[@jeanaccoh8663]

Nietzsche was no Fascist. Nietzsche famously hated his antisemitic, far-right brother-in-law Bernhard Förster and also hated German nationalism. Hegel predated Fascism. I don't know for the life of me why you think Kierkegaard is either fascist or even right-wing.

[@letsomethingshine]

Brain damage showing from his alcoholism from 14-24 years of age… then his other drug abuses after that.

[@edwardkantowicz4707]

Interesting it was drink and drugs. I hadn't heard this before, but it all makes sense. He probably turned to the benzos to alleviate the anxiety quitting alcohol brought on. Always self-medicating this one. I don't believe he's meant to be without something. I think he should try atypical antipsychotics myself. He's too unwell to remain unmedicated. His anger alone must be exhausting; I can't even imagine living like this all day for DailyWire, then the angry negative tweets never cease. Perhaps CBD or THC might help him as well.

[@colbystearns5238]

Let me think of a few: Richard Wolff Friederich Engels Noam Chomsky Martin Luther King Jr. Jean Paul Sartre Karl Marx Simone de Beauvoir Slavoj Žižek Cornell West (whether Peterson likes it or not) Albert Camus George Orwell Malcolm X Jack London Eugene Debs Annie Besant Emma Goldman The list goes on...

[@hughjass8430]

My theory on all these people, including Russell Brand, is that they go on Joe Rogan, see the $$$ thats available to anyone whos willing to ego grift and go hard on culture war bs and they just lock onto that.

[@tylerhackner9731]

He’s a fake smartie pants guy

[@shannonkona]

Dudes been off his rocker from the get go.

[@thedonald011]

There's this guy named Franklin d Roosevelt.. you might've heard of him, he was elected 4 TIMES as president... The guy tried to pass a maximum wage law where no one would make more than $350,000(adjusted for inflation) even Bernie would say that's too far.

[@julianbluefeather8491]

It seems that our society has gotten dumber, more aggressive, primitive and backwards in the last couple of years. I don't know what drove that to happen but there is a clear difference even compared to the late 2010s which was already very rough

[@michaelgonzalez288]

I blame a lot of it on social media and internet.

[@imaginativegirl126]

I've learned a lot from JP and have defended him on occasion but I agree with your take today. He's morphed into a hyper-reactionary conservative and he's in serious error denying the left's great intellectual tradition. Even the late great conservative intellectual of his and our time Sir Roger Scruton would disagree with JP on this one.

[@KeithGreenan]

Joe Rogan gave jordan peterson a platform and approval but kyle never criticizes him

[@chemtrooper1]

Einstein was 1000% socialist and pacifist!

[@jaialaiwarrior]

Very intelligent descriptions you're providing on contemporary intellectual history. As for Peterson, he's a former benzo addict who almost died trying to detox in Russia so maybe he's having trouble adjusting to a life without anxiolytics.

[@edwardkantowicz4707]

Living on an exceedingly narrow diet of beef, salt, and water certainly can't be helping matters. He needs greens, Omeg-3s, fibre, and antioxidants. He's a cantankerous, crabby old crank.

[@thesensiblesocialist]

Giovanni Gentili, the literal creator of the concept of fascism, said he admired several socialist thinkers, including Marx, though he had massive disagreements (he also generally wasn't a big fan of Jews, shockingly).

[@fifthgear93]

4:20 on the topic of conservative intellectuals, I've always liked David Frum. He's extremely reasonable and measured in his opinions and very good with his political analysis.

[@SclountDraxxer]

No matter how reasonable, calm, measured, and articulate a right-winger is, they are STILL right-wingers and still espouse the same nonsense, albeit in more flowery rhetoric than your avearage hillbilly.

[@arthursneyers6626]

calling nietzsche a fascist is a crack take, his sister was a 1 and u could argue hitler was inspired bi misinterpretations of his writings

[@captainspaullding]

What's going on with Jordan Peterson? You mean for the last 10yrs.? 😮

[@xhosagibran370]

He probably has had his afternoon cry yet.

[@reidoha1066]

Small critique. Darwin didn’t come up with eugenics, so connecting his intellectual status with eugenics doesn’t line up. Darwin was actually an ardent supporter of acknowledging each of the “races” as no better than any other “race”. Eugenicists did use Darwin’s ideas to promote eugenics, but only through misrepresenting those idea.

[@burdenastheygo3763]

Jordan Peterson has been getting out hand lately 😂

[@LazarheaD]

When Jordan goes full schizo on Twitter, it's a good day.

[@originalhgc]

Off the hook!!! Gonzo!!!

[@martinsriber7760]

If by lately you mean past 6 years, sure.

[@Mehmet.Zorluoglu]

As a person with a background in political theory, I would nitpick and say JS Mill and John Rawls are liberals not socialists. But otherwise obviously agree with the main thrust of the video. Peterson has brain worms like much of the American conservative movement today, which he has now become a part of despite being from Canada.

[@SapientGalaxy]

His tweet looks like those 👏 tweets 👏that👏punctuate👏every👏word👏with👏a👏clap👏emoji👏.

[@cattibingo]

More👏women👏reaper👏drone👏operators👏

[@aggressiveattitudeera887]

I've been hearing about Petersen for about three years and I STILL don't know what the Hell he's talking about.

[@wildpatagoniafilms16]

😂

[@celeste_xo]

Nobody cares imagine caring about Jordan Peterson

[@jackjohnson1128]

A lot of people do, unfortunately. A lot of idiots look up to him. That's why his bullshit needs to be addressed.

[@TheSeventhOutlaw]

I care only in the sense that it's a shame he's still breathing.

[@tomthorsett1433]

Peterson doesn't live in reality.

[@somethingsinlife5600]

His Borderline Personality Disorder is getting worse. It's getting because he's smart enough to know he's a hypocrite and opportunistic manipulator. In short: He knows he sold his soul to the devil and struggling with denial.

[@W00JDA]

I changed my opinion on Peterson like six times already over the last few years. I believe this experience helped me to become more assertive and self aware and formulate my own opinions on things so you can say that he's still helping people, just not the in the way he would like.

[@No1ANTAGON1ST]

The problem with peterson is he talks too much, to put it simply LOL! He needs to stop and evaluate what he's saying, how strong he's saying it, when and where, and how often he's saying these things. Any "good" views he might give gets utterly mired.

[@georgesprat9697]

What's also amazing is that Peterson has spoken highly of George Orwell over and over throughout the years.

[@SoDaoudi]

Xanax man, xanax

[@hitoshijohnson]

"By definition" Inigo Montoya voice: "I do not think it means what you think it means."

[@millabasset1710]

we went from Noam Chomsky to Jordan Peterson We went from Arnold Schwarzenegger to Andrew Tate The West is dead!

[@sluttyMapleSyrup]

​@@coderamen666ditto

[@millabasset1710]

@@coderamen666 Well he's fighting a casket nap, of course he's not going to be how he was during his prime in his late 20s to 50s.

[@mtalhaawais]

@@millabasset1710 They're probably talking about the reports of his relationship with Epstein.

[@ericthomas6726]

You should've added a fucking HUGE addendum to Nietzsche's name and mentioned how his sister altered his works to align them with her racist beliefs.

[@TheNikean]

I think your list of "fascist intellectuals" may be misguided. Just because you get co-opted and quoted by fascists doesn't make you a fascist, which I have a feeling is your argument here.

[@alexanderb7721]

Albert Einstein, Parenti, Malcolm X, Luxembourg, N'Kruma, Lenin, Harvey, Graeber and on and on and on.

[@morgoth615]

I've been watching Kyle since sophomore high school, I've since gotten my degree in philosophy, and I am so happy to finally hear Heidegger's name in a Secular Talk video

[@nsbd90now]

Too bad it was without any actual nuance.

[@morgoth615]

@nsbd90now Yeah lol true, I'll take it though

[@PMTriox]

If Peterson really said to "steelman" your opponent, I certainly can't think of a single time he ever did it.

[@mikeymansome]

I still hear different takes on Nietzsche to this day - his work was absolved by the nazi party but was he inherently a fascist?

[@ryanashland2874]

It seems almost a monthly occurrence where we ask “ what is going on with Jordan Peterson ?”

[@okulusanomali9716]

respectfully (fan of your show Kyle) - That's an incorrect accusation about Nietzsche being 'fascist' or having anything to do w/how Adolf Hitler saw the world. Maybe Adolf liked some of his writings but he may have also liked Apples so are apples fascist too? Nietzsche was anti-fascist in a lot of ways, thus his breakup with Wagner (who indeed was more fascist leaning).

[@tarlx902]

Remember when JP got so thoroughly humiliated by Slavoj Zizek that he basically went into hiding and got hooked on pills for over a year.

[@xmillion1704]

I'm reminded of this one time I was hiking along a creek and a newt called up to me boasting, "There are no birds capable of flight."

[@Stoner075C]

JP has shown beyond question that he should not be taken seriously anymore, even if he ever should have in the first place.

[@MutualAidWorks]

. . . Petr Kropotkin, Mikhail Bakunin, Errico Malatesta, Rudolf Rocker, Joseph Dejaque, Elisee Reclus, Emma Goldman, Alexander Berkman, Louise Michel, Rosa Luxemburg, Sylvia Pankhurst, Otto Ruhle, Anton Pannekoek, Nestor Makhno, Volin, Albert Camus, Daniel Guerin, Albert Meltzer, Murray Bookchin, Silvia Federici, Peter Gelderloos, Rutger Bregman etc.

[@kennybachman35]

Drugs, insecurity, apocalyptic fantasies…and grandmother fantasies. That dude’s an emotional wreck.