What is Going on With Shadowlands?

[@mcranger1975]

"Just let us play the game" Thats the best quote from this.

[@bugyGD]

I'm always so impressed by how this man is able to express his thoughts in such a fast, clean, and well-structured manner, with no cuts, for 20 fucking minutes.

[@Deadbygames]

With no script as well

[@Sage11]

He feels very passionate about the game, I feel like he is talking his heart out. He honestly wants the best for the game, it's like you talking to your children when you try to encourage them to do the right thing and not the wrong thing . You speak to your children in a similar way asmon speaks about wow.

[@MokuTom]

when asmon speaks with passion he really in his element.. he's been doing it for so long now he actually has a 'zone'

[@mydogeatspuke]

and while a bunch of insane animals are screeching in the background. That whirring robot noise would drive me mad.

[@tsjeriAu]

@@MokuTom That zone is called the treehouse :-)

[@phoivos]

"Mists of Pandaria, for all its pandas, was a fun game" lmao

[@mudpuppy8740]

that got me too xD

[@ajshdhenskaka]

Tauriwow

[@paladin1147]

It really was. The lore was consistent, the PvP was fun, the world was beautiful, and patch 5.2 had an awesome raid. ofc it had problems but at the end it was very fun.

[@RatchildUK]

Easily the best expac

[@sarphog]

It was. Not as fun as classic and TBC imo, but still better than WOD and BFA

[@jiunhaoneoh3482]

I still can't get over the difference between Zack the person and Asmongold the persona

[@Ioganstone]

The difference is... this is unscripted and he can't scamper away to the bathroom until he finishes his point...

[@karlmarcs31]

@@bennyskim It is. Asmongold has multiple personality disorder. Sometimes he's neckbeard Asmongold. Sometimes he's Zach. Most time's he's just bald.

[@kieranfrew542]

I honestly love how he can sit there and talk for nearly 20 minutes and he manages to say exactly what he wants to say with no cuts and barely any stutters or pauses. I imagine zack would make a very good public speaker

[@duppressor8164]

He is the kind of man that would be a leader in an apocalypse. So many would rally behind him.

[@Turn5ignal]

He would probably be great as an elected official seeing how he is a compassionate logistical thinker.

[@michailvolski5035]

twitch streamers practice speaking every day

[@satamoto6488]

@@duppressor8164 if he manages to survive outside his room without dr peper or wendy's :D

[@ipwndrums]

its almost as if he's a professional streamer???

[@norgun7550]

Man, I really can feel his sadness in his voice.

[@Hongriki]

His stream today after he stop his grind to play fall guys he seem so sad, felt kinda bad, was thinking is this it for his WoW career?

[@dwoodward931]

I know :( it's really sad actually.

[@mitanoo9090]

it actually hurts man :(

[@Mrfiufaufou]

I can see him ACTUALLY leaving wow if AoC will be good. New world doesn't seem like a game for him tho.

[@dudebro2638]

@@Mrfiufaufou New world was kinda boring, too easy. I'm hoping for AoC to kill wow

[@kiwifan6002]

I remember when timewalking dungeons were released me and my friends made a BiS list for old raids and went out and farmed twink gear for them. It was a fun side project and it was a great way to enjoy yourself 12 weeks out of the year. Blizzard decided balance suddenly mattered and made all old set bonuses inactive. Just like that. Gone. It's things like these that make me worried about Shadowlands and the future

[@gilbertzgaming2568]

This was one of the best things to do for fun was the old tier gear and blast through it

[@warmspell7562]

I just don’t understand who they are trying to cater to with decisions like that.

[@undies891]

YES, and I remember farming timewalking gear because the BC gear had so many extra gem slots on it and you could put MoP gems in them and use them in challenge modes and get that that tiny min/max gratification out of optimizing your challenge mode setup.

[@Kevkoss]

This. Farming DS to get 4-set for my ret and trinket from spine. Farming Thok to get best helmet. Farming toher MoP raids to get sha weapons, so it can be used instead of Frostmourne past WotLK timewalks and also 2nd weapon for prot spec. Looking for best old enchants, gems, etc. And then they disabled it, becasue they made so many core changes, that half spells affected by sets were no longer in game or were spec locked. I still keep my set, but I had to move it to void storage :/

[@giztronwarlock]

Farming lvl 20 twink gear in bfa for like 40 hours. Had a blast but it's all gonna be garbage next expansion. Like come on I'm not even max lvl

[@Karashote]

Everyone is out there trying to make a "WoW Killer" game, meanwhile blizzard is doing it themselves...

[@Arkantos117]

If you look at the history of the world the biggest threat to any empire is itself losing its way, not an outside force, just like WoW.

[@DJToMyHits]

The Final Fantasy XIV Community has been seeing a lot of new players. Fact is it's not Final Fantasy that's killing wow, wow is killing wow and everyone's moving over here

[@LoldemortII]

i think people have long given up on killing wow

[@Exius-Zero]

@Elley Smith Might be a weeb game, but I guess that just makes a majority of WoWs players weebs to begin with since almost everyone I play with on XIV came from WoW including myself.

[@timerider4344]

Well said.

[@deadplutocrat1078]

“Disconnected from its player base”👈 that’s the vid in a nutshell. Well done.

[@klarnorbert]

Left after BfA to FFXIV, and it was my best choice.

[@stuartkinsey2333]

L

[@tedmorrison5721]

Thank you so much for making this video Zack! You hit the nail on the head brother, make it FUN!!!

[@Decision69]

I like how instead of talking with his hands, he uses his eyebrows 👀

[@iam.thecaptain]

I can't stop looking at his eyebrows

[@TwistedSMF]

Zack would be a absolutely horrible poker/card game player... LMAO... :p

[@h3c133]

Decision so true 😂😂

[@TheDreadingDark]

Like Jack Black

[@Eddie_Gonzalez]

It reminds me of a conductor performing a classical symphony. 🎶

[@ncrtrooper7153]

Asmon: *Trying to have a serious discussion* Nature: "AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"

[@mailboxxy]

THOUGHT THE BUGS WERE CUTE OK lol

[@Devin1986]

"the game shouldn't be balanced around the 500 sweatiest players" I died roflmfao

[@asavel6227]

And day later he will cry about unbalanced covenants

[@TheOfficialSethos]

@@asavel6227 Because there's a difference between sensible balance and pedantic balance.

[@staffbuster]

@@asavel6227 If you think that unbalanced covenants has anything to do with the top percentage of players, then you either intentionally misunderstood him, or I don't even know. Unbalanced covenants have an impact on the entire playerbase - especially if the difference is up to 20-30% between Covenants. That does NOT only have an effect on sweaty players. Calling for covenants being balanced has absolutely nothing to do with balancing around the 500 sweatiest players.

[@grystor]

This might be most important quote out of this 20 minute real talk. I've felt this way for years, lol

[@9ntice]

Even those 500 sweaty players cry about the game too

[@Cyberhawkzz]

Played for 13 years. Stopped a year ago, around this time in October. Haven’t logged in since and haven’t missed it. I love WoW, and when you love something, and your time is up (you’ll know), then you leave it before you truly hate it. I miss my characters sometimes. But their names and morals exist in other games. Because they are me. WoW will be probably the best game I may ever play in my life, due to the length of time played. But I’m glad I got out before I let it drag me down. Who knows maybe one day I’ll return. But not yet, not yet.

[@D3athlyV1sag3]

Keep the good memories before they turn sour. I more or less quit in WoTLK the first time, revisited, Draenor, Legion and barely BfA.... It just isn't the same. I'll still love the lore but I can't play that game anymore.

[@cowboyprune]

At least don't come in shadowlands it's looking like a shitter 😪

[@merlin7654]

I was a vanilla marshal warlock, TBC s1 glad and vengeful/brutal glad. Spent years from vanilla/MOP just grinding BG and arena gear and doing wpvp with the odd stint in arena. When i played BFA - I got called ebay 100 times a day for being an 'old glad' who couldnt get 2.4k rating nd then told i couldnt join any arena groups because my pve gear (what??) Was too low for pvp... I dont recognise the current wow - the simple days are gone, my friends i played with for over 12 years are gone and me and my vanilla, original glad toon, are gone. Havent looked back, the game is toxic, community is toxic and the back to basics formula will never be used

[@oak1739]

You'll be back.

[@paddyoclown]

quit 1 year ago it became very clear the were hireing recruitment agency staff to make their games....

[@XDesit00]

Imagine upgrading that legendary thr the whole expansion in Legion and in the next one they just throw it away. What a great design😀👍🏻

[@Xerisis]

I was just working on my Legendary Fishing Pole... Im done..

[@lukeluckynblue1873]

imagine doing shadowmourne or cataclysm staff or dagger or cloak or ring and in next expac they are useless and goone :D wow was always like this only thing wrong with wow is that they are now put more time to borrowed power systems and they dont do shit with classes ..back in the day it was class design first legendary wepaon was just bonus to your character to do OP shit :)

[@TarisRedwing]

BILLION and BILLIONS of artifact points just in the trash like no big deal.

[@CrunchWALKER]

being addicted to wow used to be fun. Now it feels like being addicted to heroine, its horrible but i don't want to stop playing.

[@user-vm9sz6l02q]

Time to cash out, sell your account you may make some good money

[@silentriver8488]

Everyday I itch, but I also feel accomplished if I make it without logging in.

[@zasu_3634]

Well said!!!

[@Alr3m1]

Addiction is addiction lol if it feels like heroine now then the heroine quality has changed. maybe try something that's fun and not an addiction

[@joshuabrant3487]

@@Alr3m1 Nah dog just get some good heroine again

[@eldritchf4ther]

If Zack actually quits the game, thats how you know the game is really, and truly doomed.

[@ghayaa1234567890]

Haha, that is what Pilav said in one of his vids.

[@dollmaker6599]

Pretty much since he is like the most popular streamer of the game, and its the game he plays the most to the point of almost exclusively

[@hjelpen5387]

@@dollmaker6599 he will never quit wow as long as he gets 40k+ viewers because when he plays other games he just rages and gets like 10k viewers then he goes emo mode because "low" view count

[@dollmaker6599]

@@hjelpen5387 idk man, if you force yourself to play something you don’t enjoy, it will just become tedious and even start affecting your humor, cause I played wow myself for a while and the devs are seriously hurting the game, every time I was wondering why I’m even playing anymore? If the game continues to decline and it looks like it will, it will just become harder for him to want to play, like you can tell how sad and frustrated he is at the game’s state. Blizzard needs to step up or they will continue to lose players including Asmon, the best way is just like Asmon said, what do players want?, that’s something they have lost sight off

[@khalilelkamlafi796]

At least ashes of creation can mend the wound kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHKXYpukjb-BhNU

[@geraldwilkins6408]

When are you interviewing for Ion's position...

[@EdouardPicard0224]

Trying to talk to Activision is almost like talking to a brick wall. I swear when Blizzard was just Blizzard they used to be more like an indie company and they would make cool shit for the players to enjoy. Now it's all corporate.

[@bhe8336]

They hire people who do market research. Part of the problem is they are sampling the wrong customers for the games they are creating and are completely ignoring the majority of the stakeholders of these MMOs, they focus way too much on the investors. They have a "bottom-of-the-funnel" mentality, but ironically don't apply this to the demographic they chased away.

[@Dotalol123]

Well they pretty much gave up on concept "how to make a player entertained" and switchet to "how much money can we milk from player until he realized this game is a hollow mess and a waste of time" thats where analytics and metrics helps...

[@bigdaddy3217]

@hurf durf Yeah, because North Korea makes so good games. Capitalism is what brings these products to the people.

[@bigdaddy3217]

Corporate doesn't equate bad games. Some big corporations make great games. It's just that Blizzard has gone shit. Also, Blizzard hasn't been indie company since like 2007.

[@benhavis2474]

Thats so true. Even in the Call of Duty Community, Activision doesn't communicate and it makes me so angry and sad to see both WoW and CoD go down because of this company.

[@kelvinfalzon2931]

For some reason I love your commentary and your discussions, you speak with high intellect and will

[@arishiasol]

I feel really exhausted for Shadowlands and it's not even out yet.

[@Hakimist-Empenadaist]

That's so funny, that's exactly what I was thinking whilst watching Asmon react to the changes last night.

[@mitanoo9090]

Yeah :(

[@harleyjay338]

thats exactly how i feel

[@HiImBaddy]

SO TRUE

[@gladjohnson3117]

Same

[@dwoodward931]

Anyone remember how awesome reforging was. Being able to literally reforge your stats to whatever you felt you wanted or needed.

[@feidamack2006]

I remember questioning why they removed it at the start of WoD when hit/expertise was also removed, which were the main reasons why people disliked reforging at the time. Nowadays reforging sounds like it would be great to have.

[@NightpireVideos]

Using a website to get the optimal hit% and exerpertise% on melee characters was not that fun, it was alright at best.

[@dwoodward931]

@@NightpireVideos to each their own. for me it was really fun because i didn't use a website to get the optimal hit %/etc, I used it to have fun and play with theorycrafting from the time. Idk if you remember, but theorycrafting was really kind of a big deal back then, if you were raiding back then. Even if you're not, you literally get to choose what stat you want. Sorry, just can't get onboard with the "it's not fun because we have to use a website calculator to optimize" counterargument. (who says you have to?? your raid leader? go theorycraft and research/learn your haste ticks you gotta be at and come back and tell him then, you'll learn him a thing or two) bottom line is it gave players more freedom and empowerment to do what we wanted and it was amazing.

[@feidamack2006]

@@NightpireVideos Clearly an issue with those stats and not reforging. If anything reforging made that whole situation easier to deal with.

[@Tight_Conduct]

Fuck yess doood

[@markadamel]

You know its serious when he preaches from the treehouse

[@Berkay-xl4hu]

Asmonity

[@KNU_TV]

Thanks Zack. I appreciate you using your platform to help share our voices.

[@bireon878]

I left a huge comment prior to this and it explains it more in depth, but I really felt it when you noted that the game used to be so much fun before. For me I think there are other reasons that prevent me from having fun with it now though and one of them is just realizing how much goes into gearing up and being better and my OCD would go wild if I was to try to account for all those variables it takes to get geared up well. Also like I said in the other comment, being unique is something I value more than winning but I've searched for a long time for a game where I can do both and I though WoW was one of them years ago and figuring out the hard way when I started to really play was devastating.

[@venathix8791]

Im a simple man. I see Zack in his treehouse and I click.

[@yowzabuckaroo722]

Troo dood!

[@godless89]

@@yowzabuckaroo722 Very Special person still in a tree house :P but come on man,whats with the fake cry scene,and are you applying for a job?its just a game don't take it seriously chill,mid-life crisis your having.

[@Tight_Conduct]

@@godless89 You wouldn't get it.

[@Anri0]

@@godless89 What are you talking about?

[@wachmore]

@@Anri0 this dude is at the wrong channel

[@Boofsylvania]

Imagine if artifact weapons only worked in legion zones.

[@Yubie1]

They even specifically made Easter eggs to work in old content with artifacts. Such as the arms warrior artifact fearing all trolls in throne of thunder. Developers are just morons

[@murderousduck]

@@Yubie1 Not developers, they have nothing to do with this. Blame the design team.

[@ajshdhenskaka]

@@murderousduck How about I just blame everyone? If you have some role at Blizzard on your resume you're part of the problem.

[@pepenero6168]

alksdjf;alsdjf True, people want to pretend that the rich corporate chairmen are responsible for all the problems but everyone at Blizzard is contributing to the broken game

[@tomn8932]

@@ajshdhenskaka Developers are just coding monkeys who do what they are told to do. They're the manual labour. Blame the architects of the design instead.

[@Jayo___]

I literally dont know one person that would disagree with you on this. Man I swear I hope they see this. Hopefully it will make them realize the HUGE mistake they are about to make.

[@Mikael22-18]

Your statement proves how delusional you are that you literally don't know 1 person in the entire community that has a different opinion than your favourite streamer.

[@40mm-Grenade]

@@Mikael22-18 Claiming delusion based on one statement. A bit hyperbolic isn't it?

[@Mikael22-18]

@@40mm-Grenade What would you call someone saying they literally don't think anyone would disagree with Asmon?

[@harbhub]

@@Mikael22-18 They said that they personally do not know anyone who would disagree, not that the entire WoW community wouldn't disagree. You've created a strawman argument.

[@40mm-Grenade]

@@Mikael22-18 Factually wrong. Nearly everyone of us makes a false claim everyday. Doesn't mean we're delusional

[@booradley6832]

I'm going to say what I have been saying for a long time- Ion is a great dev at the part of the game he cares about. Thats why raids are always top notch. He's not a mechanics guy though. They need to search for a mechanics guy and make him co lead. Ultimately I do understand that with the employee turnover rate and internal strife/low morale its a very tough job but the resources just arent being allocated correctly to make good choices. They need a Ghostcrawler. Someone who is focused on mechanics first, story should be someone else's job. Remember what it felt like to be so excited to learn what your class is going to pick up in the next expansion? Now that's turned to dread, how are they going to butcher your class. Unholy DK having 3 spec defining abilities on the final talent row? Its just indicative that they dont understand. Its absurd that they have some fans who are level headed, balance and fun oriented and who would do most of the work for them, and they wont take advantage of that. They'll cut 500 jobs to save money but wont let fans work for free and make a product they're going to love? Worst evil mega corporation ever.

[@JimGarns]

I'm a Blizz fanboy, I am, but I've never actually understood why Blizzard are so out of touch with what players want. They must have some sort of focus group where they discuss these ideas, and these people keep saying "Yeah, great idea". Blizzard; you have a rich and awesome community of passionate players. Asmon, T&E, Bellular, HazelNutty and etc etc etc - every single time manage to pin point what is wrong with the new expansions, manage to find ways to improve upon what you've already done. Why on earth don't they get these people in on the ground floor?! Ask them for feedback, have them sign an NDA and ask them to help? It's not difficult to say "Every two years, how about we get together and discuss the new expansion, see what you guys think?" Something has to give, surely the delay this time round is indicative of that. This expansion is make or break for a lot of players and it's a sorry situation to be in.

[@apocalypseofoto]

Activision-Blizzard*

[@seancurry7100]

Seriously! These people who play/complain passionately/analyze have huge followings because people AGREE with them! I don’t understand why they wouldn’t utilize these people as ambassadors for the player base

[@gestucvolonor5069]

After playing this game for 15 years I think this is gonna be it, I've grown completely disinterested and I don't trust the company anymore. Its just another US corporation now. They killed my passion, they killed my game. 15 years of history and my chars will sit there abandoned. I started this playing with my dad talking about the game all the time. He quit the game in bfa and I couldn't believe it. And now I feel the same way. I still have the brew fest stein from 2007. Along with their catering to China, employing racists and not doing anything about it because its okay if its against whites. Soulless corporation jumping on political waves to stay afloat and get as much money as they can. Get the fun out of the game. I dont trust any of their games anymore, warcraft III reforged Was the start of the endgame.

[@ronibear39]

I can relate too much. I started playing 10+ years ago as a kid bc my family was into it. My dad has years worth of game time on his main and I thought he’d never quit but he did in bfa to swap to final fantasy. I couldn’t understand it but after getting so excited for shadowlands and having my hope crushed after this dog shit expansion im getting burn out and it sucks. I wanted to be playing this game until I was old! Wishful thinking but this is far too early ;^;

[@ronuss]

its just not the same team that made the game we loved , cold hard facts. someone else is writing ur fav book/ tv show ext. its never going to be the same again. the structure of blizzard now is all about profit and retention of the playerbase, nothing more , nothing less.

[@raulrse]

Well said.

[@relyks8645]

@@ronuss Ironically what they're doing to the game is accomplishing the opposite of that. Good thing they're still making solid profit on those cash shop items though right?

[@360Jopo]

Man fuck WC3 Reforged. It shows how little they cared about that game's legacy.

[@eriklzbr4386]

I love how towards the end of the video when his frustration peaks its like the fucking forest around him is feeling it like there is so much noise lmao. Then he calms down and the environment falls silent again. Asmongold is secretly a main Druid. In all seriousness now I completely agree with him. Blizzard seems to be making decisions out of theory, figures and what not. Idk if it's bc they lack the time or the personnel to do more sensible and realistic decisions based on actually playing the game but it just feels like they don't fucking get it. And worst of it is the ppl normalising it like "Well it's not that bad" or "Well it's better than BfA". To hell with that, this game used to be the best, the very top of its genre and now we have to agree with it being "not that bad"? Fuck off

[@heyhannh]

The initial part of your comment actually made me laugh out loud so thank you for that

[@rootloggins3951]

You said what most of us are thinking

[@steve81937]

Blizzard is taken over by suits who only work in excel sheets, they don't play games, they don't know what is fun, all they care about is making maximum profit.

[@T1tusCr0w]

It’s new blizzards obsession to make sure that no quick or easy or interesting way is found to get to places or goal’s I mean I started thinking about this ages ago with Diablo. When a legendary falls that is useful say to your teammate in the same guild, you can’t give it to them. Why? ... no idea! Because it’s a for, of team play they don’t like is all I can come up with. After you see that, you see so many things of this ilk. It’s like they assume everything will be taken in bad faith now. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@ColeEvyx]

You literally are on the same line of thoughts as my forum post I made this morning. I was SOOOOOO mad I made an 8 point post of complete rage lmao. I am glad you also brought attention to how obscene this is.

[@bireon878]

Something I think they should change are the variables to take into consideration when it comes to maxing out DPS and just overall power for a players character in both PvE and PvP settings. It's okay to be complex and I expect it in a game like WoW being such a big MMO for so many years, this is obvious. But when I need to level to max, then gear up to mostly epics, then get legendaries that aren't so rare anymore, then usually grind a new built in system for whatever xpac it is like HoA or the Artifact weapons, then maybe another like the cloak on top of that, then maybe another like corruption, maybe another like essences, meanwhile getting the CLASS SPEC specific best ones for all of this btw then also enchanting, gemming and upgrading that gear I grinded for and hoped for the best stat roll I can finally practice the meta rotation that everyone else is doing and be a robot and still have no fun but just be "good". I really wish they'd lower the amount of variables in play and just make the gear itself more difficult to get. Also the playstyle would be nice if you could use like 15 to 20 moves of your choice (of course keeping some basic skills as a baseline for specs) and be able to contend against others and not get mauled in PvP or outdpsed every time by switching 1 talent or something off of the meta choice. It's just so difficult for me to keep up with all the variables since I inheritly give myself my own numerous amount of variables within situations when I'm into something. I already overthink things so I don't need to now be required to do so just to cover the basics xD

[@user-ws9di5kp9h]

Love these ASMR videos from this Zack guy

[@Dleifocs]

yes exactly this! sometimes i wonder why they "waste" developement time on something like fixing old dungeons skips like in wod when its not even current anymore and people just want to go faster through it and want to have some fun. they could have done it while it was current with challenge mode but no they go and put invisible walls 4 years after the expansion is over lol. We all know the old blizzard meme: fun detected gotta nerf it, sad thing is it becomes more and more a reallity.

[@huntmutel3176]

Because it's literally an exploit.

[@EndOfExistence1337]

They did it because of timewalking.

[@Dleifocs]

you guys both miss the point, dont focus on that one example, and either way like i said they could have fixed it when challenge mode was around which was a competitive evironment with a public leader board and they chose not to do so.

[@EnDy_S]

You can see the same thing happen in how they design their zones. Now I don't know anything about the zones in Shadow Lands, but looking at all the zones they have made since WoD, it's obvious that they've created them with an ideal route in mind and made everything they could so that players would follow that route. When was the last time you saw a truly broad landscape in WoW like Barrens or Lakeshire? A large majority of their recent zones feel more like a level from a single-player game than anything resembling an MMO.

[@spaceowl9246]

@@EnDy_S T R U E. Big true. The zones are all so small and cramped together, I miss landscapes like Northrend.

[@GuidsYT]

Completely agree with your stance on Legion Legendaries. I never knew farming out speed gear and creating toons to specifically farm old dungeons and raids would be such a fun and niche way to play. Removing these as Asmon said keeps players "in check" with how Blizzard want the players to play. This is a fantasy game, why does it feel like we're schoolkids that aren't allowed to make any of our own choices. Losing hope :/

[@bsho7450]

Wait in shadowlands can you not play older dungeons?

[@CottidaeSEA]

@@bsho7450 You can, but people were getting items specifically to farm older content, supposedly. I don't know much about it, but that's the basic gist of it. What they have done is to basically disable most of the old content that had any kind of special effect, meaning just about everything non-Shadowlands is a glorified stat stick.

[@plogicx]

We already have real life where we are verging on not being able to make our own decisions. Why do they have to ruin wow

[@bsho7450]

@@CottidaeSEA well any items you get with older expansions are pretty much just used for looks right? I guess I don't understand all of this. The last retail expansion I played was BC back in 2006. Played classic last year up until March of this year. Coming back for Shadowlands

[@Hongriki]

Saw your stream today before you played fall guys, damn I really felt it, 15 years of playing and we think about quitting

[@mikecicciari845]

Bruh wow is so simple. Make cool looking gear, decent new raids and dungeons, bring back class sets, and no "borrowed power" gimmicks. People will play for ever.

[@mamezou3741]

So true. I've been playing Classic as my main game for over a year now. As long as I have new classes to try, new raids to run and new gear to shoot for, it literally never gets old.

[@Clorgisclorg]

They already do play forever.

[@keeb6625]

They did add new powers from the previous expansions. But guess what? People be like: “this is unbalanced”. I know a lot of people who still plays wow from vanilla up to now. Some of them are whiny people who can’t move on about the changes. Some people just like to complain. Especially this Asmongold and his fans.

[@Saiyzd0]

Thanks for giving us voice my friend and lets hope for the best!

[@vichi0001]

Dude looks like he's close to tears. Blizzard is literally just beating there fans with these changes. We need to stop accepting this BS

[@maxsh7982]

Imagine earning millions by playing a game and complaining it ain't good enough. Oh boi.

[@ChinnuWoW]

Max Sh Wtf? No way he makes anything close to millions.

[@lnorganic]

@@maxsh7982 I could agree with you if he were most other streamers, but I think it's fairly obvious that Asmongold has a genuinely strong connection to the game and cares deeply about its future. Additionally, complaining about the game would also be prudent as his enjoyment directly affects the quality of the stream and, therefore, his viewership and revenue. You come across as a jealous individual. :)

[@vichi0001]

@@maxsh7982 if your watching asmon's stream for WoW and not just for the scripted reactions to him rolling the dice for loot/mounts. You must have a really sad existence

[@maxsh7982]

@@vichi0001 oh boi, here we go, can u come up with smth better than this ad hominem bullshit?

[@Nightstalker314]

At least they fixed the "outside shadowlands" restriction by now.

[@Enzone218]

Good, but it shouldn't have even been implemented in the first place.

[@mr.hostility8970]

This whole expansion is a HUGE fail.

[@ajshdhenskaka]

They never planned to leave it like that. Blizzard always puts out small, extremely stupid ideas they know everyone will hate so when they go back on it it convinces people they listen to feedback.

[@lordcoagula3077]

It's the fact that they even thought about it that counts. It just goes to show how little they know about the game they design and that is why we are stuck with the current garbage systems. Either this, or they make all these decisions for money which is just as sad.

[@SublethalCat]

@UgandaKnuckles Why the hostility? Are you a shareholder for the game or something? I don't get it.

[@Zotakul]

Can't wait to watch Asmongold react to this

[@Rumncoke89]

Thanks for speaking on behalf of most of us. First expansion I'm not getting since release.

[@LunAlpha]

I like your honest and free from pretentiousness way to express what I perceive as thought-through and insightful commentary. This is unapologetic and interesting albeit too similar to my opinion about Shadowlands so it isn't the revelation it could've been and I will watch for a while; Hopefully I will find something marginally original or different from the mass of semi-clones in this community. Good job.

[@ItsapaulChannel]

I feel like Blizzard is Sylvanas and the players are Saurfang; they have all the power, but keep losing with every decision they make.

[@HimePenguin]

And just like Sylvanas killed Saurfang, Blizzard is killing its playerbase

[@khalilelkamlafi796]

@@HimePenguin the most loyal ones kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHKXYpukjb-BhNU

[@sitrueis4007]

That true, Sarufang was weakling as we are by still playing this game.

[@HimePenguin]

@@khalilelkamlafi796 Saurfang/Players when they see what Sylvanas/Blizzard is doing to the Horde/WoW

[@chromenewt1691]

"I don't want to see the game designed around the top 500 sweatiest people that play it." This!

[@mitanoo9090]

I'm at the same point as you. I never ever thought of quitting WoW till at this point. I'm genuinely hurt by alot of the changes and i've been very annoyed and i do not know what to do if i quit. Got specially alot more annoyed when i started farming back my old legion legendaries for timewalking and then to hear they are disabling it just killed me. I hope SL turns out good. BFA has been rough. Definetly alot more painful for the completionist community of how much time they've put in. But then again nothing lasts. Good video nonetheless!

[@rahimske]

Google "download FFXIV." Vastly superior product. Your welcome :)

[@whim_tv]

@@rahimske while as it's a good game it's definitely not even close to as good as wow.

[@sonquan5492]

@@whim_tv That's where you are wrong and definitely have never tried FFXIV.

[@iamM4SK]

Same here :/

[@OctavioJS]

I quit WoW at mid Battle for Azeroth, and never regretted it

[@smoke1215]

You're spot on, it's not your age. It's theirs. They are out of touch.

[@shamicentertainment1262]

Blizz died years ago. Why do people expect anything different then how they've acted the past 5 years. Warcraft 3 reforged was the final nail in the coffin for me

[@ForeverFridayVideo]

I remember making a big deal about how blizzard was “playing for us” after the big talent tree changes. Remember specifically them saying they didn’t like “hybrid” trees and such. So they are gonn show us how to play our classes. I think someone on a wow stream said it best. If blizzard got a hold of Chess - they would over complicate and try to “balance” that too Also the main thing I love about an mmo is that there IS NO CENTER. You can do whatever you want - it’s your fantasy. Blizz literally took that away. That became more apparent when they forced us to play in this linear way - with pathfinder being the tool they used to push this story and lore on us. Like they want to force us to “appreciate” the art teams work on new zones and environments so they take away flight (remember that a few yeArs before pathfinder?) as if we never appreciated the art team or zones. I think a good reflection is the cinematics. They speak volumes. Look at the vanilla and tbc trailers - they were 100% player focused. They got you pumped up to see what the fantasy would be like for the PLAYER. Even in the tbc cinematic they had snippets of illidan but it was still a player focused cinematic. Now all the cinematics are pushing their lore characters..and the same ones at that. Like the game doesn’t feel like it’s about us anymore it’s about this shit story they want to push on us. I know I got a little off there but it’s kinda related and shows kinda the shift in minds over at blizzard. Ion is an extremely stubborn dude - he has always been like that (I was a big elitist jerks forum poster back in vanilla). Anyway yeah. They’ll fuck this up. It’s sad to see wow go through this. War3 reforged got it WAY worse trust me. They destroyed our community over there - but we don’t have the loud voices that wow has. Maybe wow community can come together to stop them? 💖take care zack

[@hmthisisit]

I heard the chess analogy from MadSeason. Took me a while to remember where I heard it from. Such a great analogy though.

[@mehdiperrel4941]

wtf you're actually right about the cinematics

[@kallmannkallmann]

I myself CANT take allmost any MMO story serius when theres 100 more "special" ppl beside me. I don´t get why they focus so mutch on ther crappy story. The story is conveluted and need you to read books etc to understand it (worst kind of video game story)

[@ForeverFridayVideo]

I mean to expand on the cinematic thing. I wish blizz would just explore and be more imaginative. It’s so boring and linear to focus on a lore character in those types of things - but it’s not appropriate for promoting an expansion. It’s more for like a movie or maybe content patch type of thing. I want to see like more cinematic spells or races or mounts or a cinematic version of the environments and monster races we see frequently. It’s only orcs and sylvannas and the MAIN MAIN characters. It’s so fuckin boring. Cinematic team has talent but not the direction. Make a damn cgi movie if you’re that obsessed with your story. I want to feel stoked to play my damn class. Jesus lol

[@runneypo]

i dont understand why game developers think balance is important. Some of the most well beloved games have been the most unbalanced things in the world but people still played them simply because they were at least FUN to play. Seems that blizzard (and to an extent every other game company) has forgotten that games are about fun

[@barial1]

imagine using the live chat box

[@insan3d]

Imagine not using it

[@cermahoil3273]

insan3d fart

[@bqd993]

imagine editing your post

[@dakota7134]

Imagine there's no heaven🎵

[@marsulgumapu2010]

i just realized it's not really live when I looked outside and it's dark here

[@archoniteX]

Even with the fact that they reverted the decision for covenant abilities outside of Shadowlands, your point stands. I completely agree with everything you said and echo how you feel

[@IReapzZDrag57]

So you can CAN use the abilities everywere? They changed it?

[@krenzo_sam3985]

@@IReapzZDrag57 yes ion said something about them reverting it back

[@YeshuaDavidson]

you are definitely speaking for me. respect bro ! and all that you said is 100% true. wow is not fun anymore. peace

[@sparrow_rose]

I love the birds in the background, very calming

[@iamM4SK]

Why can't they just give us some cool new zones to quest in with good lore and lots of dungeons and raids and call it a day? Why must they reinvent the wheel every 2 years? P.S. MW monk still broke btw :/

[@joesmith7185]

Agreed 💯

[@someonexd1961]

Same thing made me quit League of Legends. I remember a clip of Ghostwalker taking about how they change things for the sake of change

[@MeldinX2]

All they need to do is stop with the borrowed power mechanics. Focus on making each class fun to play on it's own merits without having good gear and just using their talents and core abilites. Keep things simple with good zones, good dungeons/raids and no unnecessary RNG gear roulettes. Also remove LFR and make the normal difficulty the entry point. Normal is even doable with pugs many times since it's not THAT hard.

[@MeldinX2]

@Wonder of U The point was ''why can't they JUST do that'' And not do all the other stuff they are trying to implement.

[@zeilke5361]

@@MeldinX2 Because they need to satisfy shareholders. Just saying more of the same does not sound good to an investor. Also that would remove Torghast as we currently know it, which is something that people seem to want in the game. We'd just get a dungeon, or it'd become a raid like ICC was for Wrath, so a last patch thing. (I also get the feeling that anything to do with Classic after Naxx or a BC annoucement is what they are holding for the break glass moment, Because if you pay for a sub or use a WoW token they can take that back and say "WoW's doing great."

[@SianyaD]

That sums it up. Just make a fun game, please 🙏

[@Mrfiufaufou]

Big true!

[@mehdi6657]

Here is what i think blizzard should do to make wow good : -MoP class design. Mecanics was great and required players to have more than 2IQ. -More than 8 dungeons. Blizzard can easly put more efforts and double the number, like EASLY ! -Trinkets like Thok / Mannoroth were really fun, they creat interaction with classes and thats how a trinket should be. -Mage tower was very fun. I loved fighting boss and thats what blizzard is very very good for. -Bring us back 10 man Raids !!!! To be honest i don't like playing with 25 peoples, i feel more at home playing with 9 mates. There are billions of arguments on why 10 man Raids should be back and was a good thing. Its just too hard for guilds to recruit that much players on such a hard content like we have with Mythic. -Tier set.. Etc.. etc..

[@ShadowGamesLP]

But 10 man Raids are a thing? You can do raids with 10 people.

[@mehdi6657]

@@ShadowGamesLP don't you see that im talking about mythic raiding?

[@ShadowGamesLP]

@@mehdi6657 And why shouldnt that work with 10 people?

[@Anomalous-One]

just came here to say, SUPERB THUMBNAIL xD haha ... Love you Asmon.

[@armorykennels5108]

Asmongold, you need to contact blizzard and float the idea of you being on their staff as a player based consultant.. You have a great attitude, and clearly express a massive amount of passion for the success of the game. They would be fools not to entertain this idea. Great video, thank you

[@armorykennels5108]

Actually, they have private feedback forums for content creators, Asmongold doesn't seem to be a part of it though. Not sure of the reason, but since those exist and have been effective in the past, especially for MOP, it couldn't hurt for him to reach out, considering his experience and following. And yes, I'm very aware of how blizzard can be, but there will come a point, like with every company where compromise has to be made to stay viable and we're about to that point.

[@7xXSE7ENXx7]

there are plenty of people that should have and could have been advisors to blizzard. they on and off banned them or perm banned them for ridiculous reasons. this will not or ever happen. reckful should have been a pvp design advisor. instead he was perm banned. then when he died they made him an npc. how does that make any sense. the company is a joke now. blizzard is run by suit and ties. dont think otherwise.

[@kendov288]

Fun fact, it recently came out that the players in charge of the dev feedback were so fucking fed up with their shitty attitude that one of them made a twitter post detailing every condescending and downright ignorant way that the Bliz devs said "We know better."

[@Rembd]

Most likely this is driven by myopic goals set by executives with stock compensation plans. Their only goal is short term gains. Whenever a decision is made that makes no sense, I'm willing to bet that some upper level suit wearing person mandated X to happen at all costs, and we're just experiencing the tail end of it.

[@olfer8451]

This is what I think... 100%

[@Johnzen03]

Spot on. Short sighted and petty gains compared to doing it for the long run and gains.

[@mjkeating]

The original Blizzard made games that they, themselves, would play. They didn't care how long it took or if they had to start over or shit-can the game altogether. Games that were fun was the only goal. That's when we got games like Starcraft and the original WoW.

[@hjelpen5387]

all these new "systems" starting from Legion is obviously made by upper suite excecuvites that force changes based on spreadsheets. All of the system are made to artificially prolong the grind by having things like AP, anima, renown, ap neck, long corruption rng grinds etc the list just goes on, its all made trying to get the players so stay subbed longer by artifically increasing the grind by all these convoluted neverending grind systems they look at spreadsheet metric KPIS like how long players play every day, "engamenet" and then they go to people like Ion and tell him "you need to make systems to the players play longer every day and get more invested" during WoD they probably lost a lot of subs because the expansion had very little to do outside of raiding so most people just raid logged and a lot of people quit, so in Legion they started with all these artificial "system" grinds

[@ChinnuWoW]

Why would they want short term gains if they could make a lot more gains long term?

[@AlonescapeRS]

Remember when shadowlands was announced and you kept hearing good things and said "What is the catch?"... well here it is.

[@akallius5427]

It makes me feel that they want to artficially inflate the time you spend doing a normal thing to make each thing you do just a bit longer then it use to, over and over again. Cause you pay 15$ a month. not very profitable if people can knock it out so fast. I dont feel like they should make horrible systems to make that happen. They should just make it fun enough people cant help but play lol

[@grez2699]

My take on it exactly. It's like they are socially engineering the game to keep us subbed when it's actually doing the exact opposite.

[@hvyarms4496]

Meanwhile, ff14 director encourages you to play other games to avoid burnout and comeback for the next big patch. Can't stand how these big companies only want you to spend time on their game

[@vulkandrache1928]

It makes you feel that way? Like, now? Its been like that since the start of Legion.

[@wraithkiss]

Good man. I appreciate your voice on this. My wife and I met in WoW. She calls me by my Druid's name not mine while we're in the world. We're part time players and haven't tried any of the beta, but this game means more to us than our 10 or 15 hours a week imply. Thank you for posting and fighting the good fight.

[@rokkap249]

Truly grateful for this vid asmon lets hope they open eyes!

[@oromisszane]

Did they implement this restriction, only to get rid of it immediately, as a PR move to show they're listening to the players? Seems like it.

[@SparkZ009]

Maybe something more insidious. They tried to see if they could get away with it, while also having the benefit to look like they are listening to players when the expected backlash came. Kinda like how Niantic tried to get away with a p2w mega pokemon system akin to renting pokemon for a few hours, except they didn't actually make it better.

[@Breadinator10000]

They did it with Water Walking before BfA was released. And then they did get rid of it only to put it with other mount equipment that's better, so you don't use it. Not getting dazed off with a Healer/DPS? Yes please. And then we still have the herb picking mount (Sky Golem) not affected by mount equipment.

[@bretskating2]

YES WE NEED ALL CONTENT CREATORS TO SPEAK UP! THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO ZACH

[@Loral-Niran]

Zack I feel it. I want to go back to the simpler time, I 100% Agree with you, removing elements of the game and making it more convoluted with new untested systems is Depth with no Substance. I left retail back when classic released but now I cant even level on a new server since mine died out Horde won. I wanted to feel that same magic with launch day but all the servers I joined had bots around level 20 farming mats so I couldnt even level up and no one wanted to run a low level through dungeons without a gold cost so the last 5 servers I tried joining went tits up. I had to throw up my arms and go to a RP server and join a guild for RP before they would help boost my level enough to get past the level 20 farm spots but then I found out its everywhere so the only way to level is Dungeon Spam, and I dont want to play retail in Classic.

[@mehdiperrel4941]

Sadly, classic has been ruined by their players... When boosts started appearing, players started taking them. And if you feed a market, it grows. Bots are used by players. Because players want to amass as much values in a little time possible. so yeah, since gaming has changed in 15 years, classic won't ever be like vanilla. :(

[@hjelpen5387]

@@mehdiperrel4941 agree, you cant only blame the boost sellers and gold sellers, they do it becasue the demand is there. if nobody wanted to buy boosts or gold there would be very few people trying to sell them or bot to sell gold

[@mehdiperrel4941]

@@hjelpen5387 This is litterally what I said ? "When boosts started appearing, players started taking them"

[@barkley8285]

@@mehdiperrel4941 join whitemane ill invite you to duelist. We have dozens of people running all dungeons. Vanilla is an amazing game, just gotta spam dungeon chat while levelling in proper zones

[@mehdiperrel4941]

@@barkley8285 Oh don't worry i'm enjoying my experience, i have a guild that plays a lot together, and luckily I leveled my main during the initial launch. I'm just describing what i've been seeing out the window :3

[@punkkid46]

A great stream of thought that truly echoes how I feel. I took a week off for shadowlands and even though shadowlands got delayed I’m not really caring. Playing wow for so long has created a backlog of excellent games and I will be playing those and probably playing wow....sometime? With all the news coming out I’m no longer excited and am slightly worried.

[@CarolinDnB]

I love these chill outside talking videos peepoCozy

[@Binanceuser12333]

A lot of people are saying this might be their last. Everyone comes back of course but part of me feels it might be for a lot of people

[@Dookie6891]

Honestly I think it's a worthy sentiment that needs a community to get behind. I've tried to free myself from my passion for the game numerous times. I was even successful a couple times when it was necessary. When you start to resent it, it's easy to say "it'll get better," and you end up sticking around against your better judgement, but watching it slowly get squashed under the feet of imbeciles forces you into these moments of apprehensive retreat. I dearly hope myself, Asmon, and those who want out, get out and stay out. It really needs to be done for the legacy of this game. A mass exodus to really show that what they're doing is idiotic and the idiotic things they're doing hit people on a personal existential level.

[@MatmoeLP]

Tbh Shadowlands probably will be the first expansion in which I won't return to the game at release since I started in cata

[@jamescody7956]

I play FFXIV and am LOVING SHB, but as a former wow player and MMO lover I hope the best for this expac. It sucks hearing all the problems people are having with it in it's current state. It's been the biggest MMO since it's been around, I wish they would get back to what got them to the race Edit: I know he doesn't seem to want to try FFXIV but I wonder if people would watch him if he enjoyed it, I think it has great potential for glam/ mog contests and theres so much content and stuff to do and collect.

[@MeldinX2]

I also moved to FFXIV two weeks ago. Currently on my way through the MSQ. And i got to say the game feels like an MMORPG. There is no bullshit unfun mechanics that punish people for playing the game how they want. Also the class design is really good and all the classes i've tried feels really fun and engaging to play. And last but not least the community is very patient and kind. And people are more social in general. While in WoW no one wants to talk to you unless you are in a guild and doing mythic raiding.

[@yolowizard6990]

Yeah, I think he would enjoy running extreme trials for mounts. He could even do community trial runs with the goal of helping people either get mounts or a set number of totems towards a mount (depending on how recent the trial is).

[@jamescody7956]

@@MeldinX2 The story is amazing man. I finished 5.3 a few weeks ago. The original AAR has a few lulls but they've updated and shortened it, Heavensward, stormblood and Shadowbringers are all good enough to be amazing stand alone games so stick through the slow parts it gets so good. Shadowbringers has been my best mmo experience ever

[@3nfy]

The people that have a true passion for the game are all gone at Blizzard.

[@Roninblaze26]

Its a shell of a name the ppl who made the name is there anyone left? Sad that activision owns blizzard ruining the ip s

[@nekogod]

The did reverse this change as you mention in the description, but fully agree and they still seem to be doing it. Something like the change to the way drinking works for mana regen, now it will ramp up rather so a quick drink between pulls will not restore anywhere near the mana it used to. And it just screams of Blizzard saying yeah we don't care if you find that fun and we don't care that it's been in the game like that for 15 years we want you to get to 4 in this very specific way only.

[@nfgames8322]

I 100% agree with Asmongold here. Every single decision that Blizz has announced so far has left a bad taste in everyones mouth... Why is it that these top game designers can think of ideas for Shadowlands, rethink it, think it again and again, then design it and release the idea, and then have any common person (us) take 1 look at it and say.. WTF is this?? I want Shadowlands to be good, the zones themselves are some of the best looking zones this game has ever had and I hope this amazing story and atmosphere isn't tarnished by crappy, unfun and gated systems that leave players standing around with nothing to do because it will more or less be another 'Clash of Clans' system where we can't progress unless we wait 7 days (or however long). Stop trying to merge every single part of the game into one.. doing this actually makes it extremely funnelled. Once upon a time PvP was PvP, PvE was PvE etc and we had the ability to choose what part of the game we wanted to play with whatever abilities we wanted and it was up to us to be smart enough to choose what will be good in those aspects of the game, and that's what made us as players feel unique in the massive MMO of World of Warcraft.

[@HebiSnake]

Next step is microtransactions to respec covenants without a lockout cooldown.

[@Coracin]

Definitely agree with you there, as the 1 week lock is kind of a weird choice as they seem to enjoy removing any "payment options" for changing things. The OG Talent trees had it right, you want to respec you spent gold and if you kept respeccing you had to pay higher and higher "fines" to keep changing. Having to use currency or a TYPE of currency to change any and all that would FIX all the issues folks are having with it and at the same time place the restriction they're looking for but with less of a headache of "What content am I doing this week to focus on".

[@HebiSnake]

@@adriaan4808 I don't think any developer can be truly considered a top developer if they don't think from a player's perspective.

[@nfgames8322]

@@adriaan4808 I think you hit the nail on the head

[@aleksandarkurbalija]

Nothing can beat Suramar as the best Zone

[@zeldyrp]

I feel the sadness and the disappointment through the screen, and I understand it. I wish Blizzard would realize that the "You think you want this thing, but you don't" philosophy is rarely correct. It feels like, even though they say they play the game themselves, that they have never once actually sat down and played with the player-base. They treat it like prison with rules about the most insignificant bullshit. We love the game and we don't want to see it fail and die off 'cause of these overwhelming systems and restrictions. I wish they would open their eyes and ears up a bit more and let the community help them make this expansion amazing.♥

[@klausjackklaus]

True. I personally want the team to evaluate if their features are being implemented properly every month to two months by having each of the team sit in LFR and use LFG to do a M+ dungeon. Ion has been in the same guild since vanilla which functions very differently than LFR/LFD/LFG

[@Bonhoovi]

Will Blizzard EVER be in touch with their pvp community?

[@ChimeraX8]

p̶v̶p̶ community*

[@sitrueis4007]

They never were, honestly even decisions during woltk was not what ppl wanted.

[@M4XD4B0ZZ]

Maybe in other games but I doubt it

[@jesperjohansson9857]

I mean during wotlk beta we the community bashed naxx completly as a raid its the worst raid ever. Copy paste an old raid and make it super shit. They did not listen one bit Then.

[@saraschmiedebush9533]

This is how I started to feel about WoW back during WoD, But I kept playing thinking it will get better. I started trying another MMO during WoD while still playing WoW, I tried Legion while it wasn't the worst it still didn't keep me subbed, kept playing the other MMO. came back at the end of Legion to get ready for BFA! I played BFA for about 3 weeks and quit, went full in on the other MMO. Came back to BFA when friends would bug me too, never stayed longer then a month at a time, 8.3 happened and I sat back and really looked at the game and asked myself why I played it. That's when I decided I was done with WoW, and just switched 100% to the other MMO. And it seems like with everything going on with Shadowlands Beta I made a good choice. I think a lot of people are finally seeing what I seen in WoD or just a few months ago. its hard to walk away from a game you dumped 15years worth of time and money, but its a breath of fresh air when you can finally do it.

[@bsho7450]

What mmo did you play?

[@battle-brotherthiel1563]

You know what’s the ironic part? I stayed subbed thru the whole of WoD and actually enjoyed it . Bfa? Quit 6 months in . Still unsubbed

[@QuinnZai]

"How do you know it's shit? It hasn't even come out yet." They are changing the game in too many ways and they are losing their core audience in the pursuit of gaining a wider one. Could work if your game wasn't a 15-year-old well-known brand. It's like expecting people to want to play WoW for a Diablo-like experience, it doesn't make sense. They did this with Diablo 3 where instead of delivering a better version of their existing formula which was Diablo 1 and 2, they redesigned it into a more accessible and simple experience that any veteran of the series would feel falls short of their expectations. People aren't asking for a brand new game with every WoW expansion. Sometimes all it takes to make a good expansion is by adding new content, not changing the entire framework of the game.

[@nobingnobs8748]

They are changing the game in too many ways and they are losing their core audience in the pursuit of gaining a wider one. - Been saying that since end of wrath changes started.

[@gonzalovargas5961]

@Viking Born Probably not the one most veterans are thinking, the old core audience either moved on with life or play classic or in TBC/WotLK private servers.

[@gonzalovargas5961]

​@Viking Born I've been playing for a long time too but I understand that me and the players who doesn't like the recent changes are no longer the core audience, or that they are making these changes to keep those old players active. I don't have the same amount of time to pour into this game as when I was in school, and vanilla was a type of game in which the person who could invest the major amount of time in, was king, that's no longer the case in these recent itterations of the game.

[@MasterLPG]

Runescape? The Evolution of Combat update? *Indeed. :(*

[@ThePolarpop]

@@MasterLPG to be fair overall OldSchoolRuneScape are kinda killin it

[@galloviking4766]

I feel like Shadowlands at the moment is a struggle between what's left of OG Blizzard, and the cold, merciless Activision-Blizzard.

[@klarnorbert]

There is no Blizzard anymore.

[@galloviking4766]

@@klarnorbert I want to believe :/

[@klarnorbert]

@@galloviking4766 Blizzard stopped existing after most of the original lead staff left when Activision bought Blizzard.

[@hahamo_]

here it is boys dude

[@Elflord73]

Trueuuuu

[@_fearlessghost_]

THERE IT IS DOOD

[@hdmoviesource]

Blizzard will design themselves into a corner soon. Many fans of this game will turn away if this keeps happening. Ask one simple question, is the change they made fun? If the answer to that question is no, then take the system away. Thank you Asmon, players need to rise up, this is destroying the game we love, And I like you, don't want to see this happen.

[@imnotaverage]

I feel the exact same way... I was so excited for this expansion until how badly they're designing the end-game systems.. I almost wish they'd stop doing these borrowed power systems and just focus on the game. Like, give us an expansion that isn't littered with this arbitrary systems that won't matter when the next expansion drops

[@IndeedIAm]

these vlogs make me respect this man much more as not only a player, but a person. very well spoken thoughts.

[@Emidretrauqe]

I left long ago for the very same reasons. They not only turned it into a theme park, but, as Zack himself once said, they turned it into a theme park where half the rides are closed. If you're going to build a theme park, you're taking full responsibility for the player experience, and the player experience has been generally getting worse for years.

[@naywils]

The first time I've not been exited to play the game at a launch anymore. And im not sure if I'm going to play yet. I even have the game pre ordered.

[@naywils]

@Sen484 Yeah I've been tempted

[@ForsakenSanityGaming]

I sure hope Ashes will be amazing... :(

[@technodrone313]

don't we all. maybe rob pardo's company will put something out soon.

[@TheGraveyarder]

we all pray that the other game will be better just so blizz can stop being so complacent and actually make something good

[@mehdiperrel4941]

@@TheGraveyarder Let's be real. Many games are Better than wow. Maybe ashes of creation will be. I'm sceptic on that part. Final Fantasy 14 is, currently. Guild wars 2 was, for a time (i can't attest to it these days) These are just examples, many other games are, these are just ones that I know are. But sunk cost fallacy and addiction keeps us coming back to wow. It's not until we beat that addiction that something's gonna change.

[@MEneifal]

I hope so too

[@mehdiperrel4941]

@@OfficialJoosty I have never tried it, it doesn't really appeal to me visually... Never really been a fan of the elder scrolls game in general

[@eskoniiranen9294]

Usually the question to ask is: "What were the business constraints that made this the best option available to the developers?"

[@DouglasAdams79]

Just commenting to amplify the message. 100% with you on everything you said.

[@Koudy111]

I don't even play wow but I like his take on things, on gaming in general and even on real life stuff. I like you man.

[@vedmaburuxova68]

All the systems and scaling and different zonings ruin the character integrity, it just feels bad.

[@RAMSEYM2402]

Activision have a history of destroying games.

[@abbiejo6822]

So much for “we’re gonna get out of your way and let you play the way you want”

[@raymondhartono]

dude, i appreciate your concerns and i agree with them. we should let blizz know

[@Trasqual]

I gotta say, I absolutely loved the way you explained how an mmo should work by using the numbers, brilliant

[@charntsabre3463]

One big thing that doesn't make sense is this: They want me to feel not like just a paladin but a kyrian paladin? Well then, what happens next expansion? How am I supposed to feel about my paladin then? That's a HUGE flaw in their design and philosophy that they're trying to force on us.

[@Biggkenny]

I was annoyed when they removed old set bonuses. Sometimes I enjoyed levelling an alt with certain rules in place, and getting set bonuses just made it more fun, but I can't do it now. If they have to disable old abilities couldn't they just disable them for max level characters or something?

[@Jayo___]

I hope they see this man

[@aesthral]

reading the update...im glad they are actually indirectly basing their directions with the community voices, you and the other youtuber who have big viewership with their videos cause you guys have critical opinions and are not yes man of blizzard. im 100% that blizzard has your stream open in their HQ or have someone taking notes from it when you talk about beta and any updates cause your viewership is a sign that people agree with most of your opinions of the game also i really like that you also show the majority players voice when u read yt comments or reddit post with a lot of votes... we can do our part by upvoting any good suggestions. Do allcraft in every update... and talk about it with viewers seems its working

[@liquidtoad3910]

so well spoken and great attitude , I get Asmon is a character and it pays the bills. but I wish more people can see these videos from you. in this way you seriously seem like a real cool dude, as Asmon..well yeah..