What is HFC NBN aka Hybrid Fibre Co-Axial | Tech Man Pat

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[@TechManPat]

I have been asked many times what NBN ISP providers I recommend well here is the deal... Aussie Broadband is damn fine! ► Signup to Aussie Broadband with code "990911" and receive $50AUD credit. ► www.aussiebroadband.com.au/nbn-signup/

[@YellowYT]

Also Mate Communicate is very good too! I totally would recommend then.

[@davidherranz1978]

I’ve sign up today with Aussie Broadband with your code. Sign up on the 100/20 hfc using tp link ac4000 router it’s awesome my refer to friend code is 2882157

[@SequoiaJas]

Hi, can the free to air TV aerial cable also be used to get nbn using a modem?

[@TechManPat]

@@SequoiaJas no, that will not work

[@SequoiaJas]

@@TechManPat Someone I know said they did this in their area (Tamborine) where there is no service. But maybe they meant via foxtel or maybe they hotspotted their phone? I'll have to find out -

[@monstermashie3714]

We have HFC NBN in Kingsley Western Australia... 48mb down 18mb up.

[@TechManPat]

That’s not bad at all !

[@cr-zo6nz]

What is your POI mate? Wangara as well? Is that on a NBN 50 plan?

[@monstermashie3714]

@@cr-zo6nz The main exchange is on Whitfords Ave opposite the BP At Woodvale Shops.

[@cr-zo6nz]

@@monstermashie3714 interesting. I am in Alexander heights. Just got my tech app for Monday. Going with superloop 100.

[@nodrama490]

Monster Mashie that’s good news , hopefully same in ballajura , who did you sign with ?

[@hoomanrabet4228]

I have HFC connected to my house. I am using TPG as my NBN provider and my plan was 100/35. TPG offered a free speed boost couple of month ago to trial for 6 month. My speed was increased from 100Mbs (I was getting about 96 Mbs) to 1000Mbs/45Mbs! I could constantly get speed over 900Mbs with a peak of about 970Mbs!! I thought to share this here as you were saying you could get speeds upto 500 Mbs with HFC.

[@zander1212]

Just upgraded my Aussie BB hfc connection to 1000/50mbps. Absolutely unreal. Great video, thanks!

[@discoverybread9764]

I'm on HFC NBN 100/40 plan. 7pm-11pm, I get about 94.5mbps downl and 36.5mbps up. It's pretty great!

[@vasi2161]

I have just ordered my hfc nbn connection gotta wait about 2 weeks for installation

[@Rob.Hinkley]

Happy with HFC here. On a 100/20 plan with Aussie (best ISP customer support i've ever experienced), and we get 93.6/17.9 and it rarely drops from that even during peak periods. With the aid of a Ubiquiti Unifi Pro access point, we're also getting around those same speeds over Wi-Fi, so it's a huge improvement from the antenna we had on the roof with Uniti Wireless, and even tried out Optus' new 5G (as it promised to work at my address, but did not), that was an epic fail - walking around the house trying to get the Nokia modem's light to show anything but red/no connection. It was just falling back to 4G constantly. Speeds would hit 160-170/25-30 but then moments later it'd drop to 27-30/5-10, so far from stable. Agree with many posters on here. Aussie is by far the best. Not only are they local, but the call wait times are minimal and they actually call you back after any problem you may be having to check that it's resolved and you're happy. Now, that's what I call customer service!

[@dylanodinson646]

Interesting stuff, do you guys have any PONs in Australia or use RFoG to replace coax and migrate HFC to a PON?

[@bolehtahan]

Two comments here. 1. Don't be confused. The coaxial cable is also made from copper. So then if you're wondering why it 'performs' better, it's because it is better shielded and was originally designed for more than just telephone services. 2. Four million homes is actually very good coverage. They key word here is homes, not people. There are probably around 8 million homes in Australia, so getting 4 million of them is about half.

[@alexj517]

Great video very informative 👍

[@TechManPat]

Thanks mate

[@jasonhowe1697]

HFC is in australia is just strung up co-ax.. however the newest cable on the market both copper and fiber optics in the same cable..

[@rod050858]

I also had a problem with my copper to 2 pair cable to the node. there was a break in the cable and IInet told me that there was no problem with the connections between me and the node I was paying for 100mbps and only get 5 at any good time. Change back to telstra and after 3 call outs they had fixed all cable breaks in the 2 pair and the 10 pair and the 50 pair cables to the node. It took 2.5 years to get it fixed at the same time I re ran a U.G. STP CAT6 cable to the pit out the front and connected to it even tho I am 450 Mts from the Node I have gone to a speed of 70mbps which I get constantly through Telstra Bigpond

[@nazuul]

@Tech Man Pat while this is an older video I did notice you mentioned the issues with Power Outages. To help you clarify this and understand in a power outage all services running over HFC and FTTC will actually stop working even when you have a backup power source like a battery or UPS for example. The only service the NBN is able to ensure will continue to work in a power outage is FTTH and the key reason for this is simple when you realise that it's an end to end fibre optic connection so it uses the light spectrum so doesn't require power across the fibre it only requires power at the end points - consumer router/modem and Fibre Switch at the Exchange itself. All Exchanges have Residual Backup Power Units and in many cases even have capacity to connect external generators to supply direct power to them. So because the Fibre Optic data transmission from consumer to exchange is passive and requires zero power to use it will work during power outages provided the residence has access to a form of Power Backup for example UPS, A Generator, or maybe Solar Battery Packs. This is one of the key reasons the ORIGINAL PLANS for NBN had the majority of Residences being installed with FTTH. It additionally is capable of much higher capacity and speeds than all other forms offered under the NBN. To be clear FTTH scales to One Gigabyte with zero changes to the current infrastructure deployed and the only reason many aren't getting this speed is that sadly consumers are being rate shaped to lower speeds at the Exchange. However some exchanges may still have older equipment that is running Fast Ethernet SFP's (100M) modules, the newer equipment is deployed with all Gigabit SFP's (1G) modules. This equipment is able to support replacing the Gigabit SFP Modules with 10Gigabit SFP+ modules meaning that users who have FTTH will have the potential to have 10G connections to their residence while all the other options have issues even obtaining 1G connection speeds with the latest software, infrastructure and mechanisms. I did digress hugely there but people need to understand why FTTH is such a superior choice to all other form factors currently being offered. Back to the Power Outage point and why HFC and FTTC wont work in Power Outage circumstances is because NBN is taking over other companies networks and because of this do not have the ability to implement power resiliency across these networks. However they are able to provide a power resiliency program to networks they are directly involved with and provisioning - FTTB and FTTN to a limited degree so it's feasible that even these may not work in some locations if it was deemed economically unviable to implement power resiliency in that area. Finally it should be noted that Foxtel/Telstra (HFC) Cable Network actually has various forms of power resiliency implemented within the Main Metropolitan Cities and a good number of their surrounding suburbs. So while NBN has stated it will not implement a Power Resiliency Program for these networks when they take them over fully in the next few years it is still feasible that they will acquire the already implemented resilient power infrastructure which is deployed and was maintained as part of the Foxtel/Telstra program. So the statement by NBN that they will not be implementing power resiliency on the HFC networks means they just wont be deploying anything new on any extensions they make to the HFC network or to locations that currently have HFC but don't have any form or Power Resiliency Implemented. This means that it's still feasible for many people on the East Coast (Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane etc) who have Foxtel/Telstra HFC to their residence or within their area may still have the ability to work in Power Outages because NBN will have to maintain and support the previously implemented power resiliency infrastructure installed by the previous owner operator (Telstra) as part of the contract. So it's kind of a wait and see but if you have a Foxtel/Bigpond HFC connection today and have during power outages maintained the HFC Internet connection with a UPS or Battery Solution previously then it will likely still be working with NBN take over the network in your region. As I said it's all in the wording of the contract and what NBN is saying they will and wont do with some level of ambiguity etc.

[@MRDPG59]

I have been checking over the last few months at different times of the day and night and on different days on the speed on Ookla speed checker and average around 49-55 down and 2-3 up Back in the day I had Optus pay TV and phone so I am guessing I have HFC cables I have NOT changed to NBN yet ) Question is when I do change over would the speed be better /worse / or the same ?

[@thatgaminguy]

I've got HFC opticomm i get about 47 down and 18 up Butler Western Australia.

[@DaniMacYo]

Hi, I have this connection with Optus HFC NBN and their own router. The router has the phone line connected to the router, My question is I want to buy my own router and use that instead. But I don't know if that means if I'm limited on hardware choices. I personally want a good gaming router and thought of the Night hawk XR500 but I don't know if that would work because of the Phone. Do you know for sure and do you have any suggestions, please. I messaged Netgear on their recent live stream and they basically said I will need a phone line router. Or buy my own modem and hook that up with any router I want.

[@ek5955]

I'm on telstra cable in St kilda east. I currently get 112 down and 6 up. Will be interesting to see if my good down speed stays the same when we switch to NBN and also how much increase we get with our up speed when we dont have a capped speed anymore

[@TechManPat]

Yes it should and there should be a boost in Upload too, that number is a crazy different by the way, have no heard one like that before

[@kevek1903]

Hi Pat, I'm on nbn HFC and with Aussie Broadband with their recommended modem model at the time (Netcomm NF18ACV AC1600 WiFi VoIP ADSL/VDSL Wireless Modem Router - NBN READY) which they have changed recently I think. My phone keeps disconnecting from the wifi although all our pc's are working fine. I'm thinking of getting a longer cable to reposition the modem to another room. Do you think that will make a difference to my phone connection or is there anything I can do to that modem unit to up its signal strength (apart from having to invest in a wifi booster unit)? It is using a yellow cable to connect to the nbn black box - does it matter if I used a blue cable to reposition the modem? I'm in a single storey house, modem is in study at front of house, and my phone is dropping connection when I am in tv room about 50 feet away (open plan house, study has no door).

[@premiercomms]

Just had HFC installed in Alexander Heights,WA, for about 2 weeks and it's been great, speeds are 47.44/19.04 with no dropouts yet!

[@premiercomms]

@@karljacob1986 Its dropping out at a friends house in Freo, over hundred times over the weekend :-(

[@danebagangan2009]

this is the first area we optimise. good to hear the speed.

[@danebagangan2009]

@@karljacob1986 sorry we are not the one who optimise this area.

[@danebagangan2009]

@@karljacob1986 there is a big possibility of very high noise on the system that slows down your internet.

[@baysidelad1]

For a non tech person, I find this confusing! In the diagram at 2:03, does the splitter for my Foxtel need to be next to my TV, or can it be in another room, but plugged into a coaxial wall outlet? The TV would be plugged into a different coaxial wall outlet. Thanks :)

[@I_RacooN_I]

My area has had cable internet and pay tv for many many years now. Why is it taking the NBN co so long to change us over? The 2 streets that are between my house and the already NBN ready roads had truck and workers on them months ago. But still my "Build commenced" date keeps getting pushed back. Any ideas, or info would be great. Thx

[@_Jayonics]

Just a minor correction, at 6:55 you mention the telephone socket as RJ45, but pretty much all telephone sockets (after using a landline, modem splitter) turn the modem port into RJ11. Otherwise very informative, keep it up :)

[@tofue4049]

Thank you for this video

[@TechManPat]

No problem ;) cheers

[@tofue4049]

Tech Man Pat do you know if hfc is conected to a nbn node?

[@Utkarsh_A]

Do you reckon I'll get HFC when it gets rolled out in my area (two streets down the people get HFC in May), I am currently on FTTN but used to have cable but I got "Upgraded"?

[@TechManPat]

That’s a very specific case and I cannot say either way, more likely that no you will not get any upgrade due to the history of Nbn co

[@scratchback2001]

Hey Pat. My name is Andrew and I'm on HFC and it took a while but after I had new Co Ax Cable connected to the node in the pit in 2005, today it's Spring 2020 and I have 110 over 40 through the NBN. It does crash cos I'm through Telstra but it sure beats FTTN.

[@TechManPat]

Thanks great to hear!

[@orlimg]

Great video. I'm about to be cut off from HFC and used to speeds over 110 Mbps. I'm going with Aussie Broadband and have no idea what modem I should purchase. Would you recommend one? We just use the internet like most people and I also don't require the option to make voicecalls.

[@TechManPat]

Chris Cini a tp link is a great choice if you don’t need voice

[@fossey411]

The NBN battery on FTTP only powers the two Uni-V ports on the NTD allowing customers with B2B alarms like security or medical to still have the ability to dial out.

[@TechManPat]

yes and if you plug in your laptop directly into the ethernet port it works too :p

[@azzajohnson2123]

Explaining the concept of attenuation and noise, then marrying that to why copper is less preforming compared the coaxial would have been better to show why it performs better for broadband over distances.

[@benzaaaaa]

Can say I've been on HFC for 2 years and its like winning the lotto consistent high speed 24/7 96/38 all times of day. However it is true HFC does suffer issues.. Have had the techs about probably 6 times in that period replacing a bad NTD which caused drop outs and also the cable is prone to corrosion in the pit at the tap connection when it rains. Still would take HFC over FTTN any day!

[@TechManPat]

Yep one of the lucky ones! glad to hear HFC is doing you well :)

[@playawidstyle]

On the nbn map it says we are getting HFC but our house doesn't have any coaxial connections in the house and never had cable installed. Would the isp/telstra install all of that or would they just put us on FTTN . thanks

[@TechManPat]

You will end up with coax cable of it is in your area, you might be in an area where the node is hfc

[@icaruspcg1044]

Been connected to HFC with Telstra for just under a month in Frenchs Forest. They wont allow you to upgrade to NBN100 before a month on NBN50. So for a month on NBN50 we have had consistent 46Mbps down and 16Mbps up. We were getting incredible download speeds (~100Mbps) before the switch from cable. However, upload speed was terrible. So yes, it has been surprisingly great on HFC NBN. Still would have preferred FTTP...

[@naingoohtun6716]

We have HFC and are getting connected to Telstra NBN50 soon!! Fingers cross the speeds are good 🤞

[@TechManPat]

Glad to hear ! Good luck I’m sure it will be fine !

[@naingoohtun6716]

Tech Man Pat update: Getting on average 45 down and 18up. SOO GOOD. Plus keep up the great work🤘

[@TechManPat]

Naing Oo Htun that’s awesome ! Thanks mate !

[@thegoon459]

what about during peak periods? (7-11pm)

[@bobaustralia3]

Hi. I live in a six unit Villa about a fortnight ago the NBN installation crew arrive to install HFC to the outside of the villa they run a cable back to the underground manhole I had a sticky peak and there was her box with about 4 to 6 outlets which one was a sign to our complex the box was connected then by fibre up the road to somewhere. Also not very happy they destroyed the garden in the driveway also cut to of the villas phone lines that have yet to be fixed.

[@sonny2854]

so if I wanna change hfc to fttp what are the process?

[@Knightyme]

So are you saying that a UPS (Uninterruptible Power Supply) wont work with a HFC setup? Does the HFC need power between the exchange and my home? I have my computer, modem (ADSL2+) and screen plugged into an UPS, and as it happens earlier today (Dec28) there was a power outage at my unit and the system remained on, so I could shut it down properly. In this particular case it was only my units not a general area blackout.

[@TechManPat]

Yes UPS will not work with HFC. as in your net will go down thats all.

[@Dannykelly2012]

Crazy how far behind Australia in technology. In Ireland we have 1gb download speed broadband with Vodafone. Fibre to the premises is rolling out. What the NBN is what we had 10 years ago.

[@bentkirkeby]

I can only agree in what you are saying. My mother in law live in Denmark in a suburb to Copenhagen. She can get 1000/1000 Mbps (minimum 900/900 Mbps) for equals to AUD75/month. Connection fee is AUD80.

[@Dannykelly2012]

@@bentkirkeby Initially it was supposed to be fibre to the premises but due to the cost they scrapped it for fibre to the curb. It will all be obsolete when 5g comes out. Only thing comparable is Fibre to the property. But hey that's politics for you.

[@davidyoung3237]

Hi pat David from Brisbane here just watched this video from match and I was wondering when you were talking about how various connection types of NBN will not function in a power outage could u do a video on the Priority assist service offered by telstra not sure of anyone else how offers it to ensure those with life threatening medical conditions such as myself will have a working phone line and experdite repairs to keep them safe. I myself am finishing a period of priority assist support with telstra and could not praise them enough!! After my NBN roughter reset it's self for the 10th time in a month at 10 pm at night a staff member spent over 45 min on the phone with me and I had a new unit organised and delivered in 48h and an interioum phone service delivered to my door to replace my faulty set up in less than 11.5 hours to ensure I was not left without a working phone. They are also providing me at no cost a UPS for my NBN roughter and phone and have agreed to cover the cost of my replacement batteries down the track. Telstra often get a bad rap In the media when things do not work out but in this instance they couldn't have been more proficient or helpful in managing my fault. 😃 this will encroage me to stay with and recommend telstra to others. Keep your informative videos conning! David Brisbane

[@DarkMooGamingEvolved]

Hey Pat have you been doing some research into Fixed Wireless Congestion. PS love your vidz man

[@TechManPat]

Hey mate! Next one up, its in the pipeline :) Cheers!

[@MrArry17]

Hi I have HFC I normally get 96 download and 35 upload. Slowest I seen it is 50 download and 15 upload. Only once in the last month.

[@CharlesJackTV]

most of my family is from Geelong. They get regional cable through iiNet and my nan has had fast internet for as long as I can remember. NBN will probably have a hard time getting customers connected in Geelong when iiNet's cable network seems better

[@TechManPat]

Yep pretty much... it’s gonna be hard giving up good net

[@JontyHare]

Mandatory install though, all getting decommissioned

[@MICKLEPICKLE1750]

Hello! Currently on Cable Broadband (Foxtel Hfc) NBN Fttc on street. I signed up to Aussie BROADBAND 100/40 Plan but don't have a phone line near our cable adapter and modem router. Was hoping to get my pay TV hfc hooked up this Coming Monday to NBN, what are my chances in buttering up NBN Tech to get HFC installed? I see NBN have the HFC Black modems back in stock. Thanks in advance Michael

[@idk_donny3037]

50 down 25 up even in most populated times very happy

[@musicalneptunian]

6:33 Actually the answer to that is no. I had FTTP put in about 2 years ago by NBN Co. There was no backup battery provided. I was never asked about choosing one. I watched the install and asked the technician about it; he basically said that it stopped being NBN policy to put in back up batteries with FTTP installs. It doesn't worry me much; I hardly get any power outages. Just saying, it seems that at some point 2 years ago or more that NBN Co made a cost saving decision to stop including back up batteries with FTTP installs.

[@TechManPat]

Holy crap... there must be a request you can put in to ask for one to be installed if you have a medical phone device, eg a button for help. I had one in my old house, so that was 3 years ago... i suppose its too expensive now.

[@musicalneptunian]

@@TechManPat yeah it would be interesting if you had medical needs and asked for one. I cannot believe that they would say no in that case. Then again, I couldnt believe robodebt either...P.

[@noelcarter]

@@musicalneptunian and TMP A medical alarm firm, Safety Link, has modified its service to a battery powered unit, which uses the cell phone service. It comes with not one, but two, SIM cards, so it is not reliant on the NBN, at all. They now offer a modified press button unit containing a microphone

[@DementedPiXi]

In SA our cable HFC is on stobie poles. None of then are underground

[@DaMo-mj2fw]

There is alot of hfc underground in adelaide aswell.

[@Jeanclaude001]

i am still on hfc have foxtel and internet ,getting speed in excess of 100mbs. and i am with telstra

[@fozz3d]

With Foxtel getting kicked off the HFC Network, hopefully a new speed tier would be introduced. Also, I read somewhere that NBN are not bothering with Optus HFC and de-commissioning it due to the infrastructure being so out dated and under maintained, replacing it with FTTC.

[@gavinr1834]

Yes Foxtel are essentially getting moved, early days but if a Foxtel customer disconnects from the HFC network , they will not be able to reconnect, only with a satellite dish. This will free up the frequency channels that Foxtel are using. Also the HFC Bigpond customer will also be moved. On the Optus HFC network, NBN have trailed its use and are less than happy with it, Under maintained is an understatement.

[@Rabbitoh4444]

HFC with TPG 100/40. 7ms ping 95.41/37.95 Lilyfield NSW. Always stable.

[@barisgultas1932]

Here in belgium trough HFC we can get up to 400 down and 40 up, But the network is already 1000 down compatible still in testfase. Best i got was 422 down. Taps are 1.2ghz compatible but the nodes are still at 858mhz next step is to change al the nodes to 1.2ghz.

[@danebagangan2009]

it should be full duplex docsis

[@averybaxter9521]

im on hfc and ive got gigabit internet baby its amazing but unnecessary for anything but downloading large files or doing a game update lol so it rarely gets utilized to its fullest potential.

[@Tsiikki]

Here they're offering 1000/100 on Docsis 3.0. With Docsis 3.1 you can get 10Gigabit connection. And HFC is just copper coax. It's just fancy marketing name for copper, every backend is nowdays real fiber.

[@danebagangan2009]

they are different. physical and impedance value.

[@scratchback2001]

I'm on HFC in Bentleigh East Victoria! I applied for cable 3 years befor the NBN was even heard of! I get 50 meg down load speed and 25 meg upload speed which means I'm getting half the speeds I'm paying for! At least it's relatively reliable! FTTN. You poor buggers. What a joke!

[@TechManPat]

That’s quite amazing acctualy especially since it was 3 years ago

[@soarer282]

Im on optus fibre cable coaxial to my modem. Now I am supposed to not use it and go back to copper lines? We cut out most of the copper lines when we renovated... optus ran new copper from the modem to the phone/paytv box. Can we pay to get our proposed fttc connection upgraded to co-axial similar to what we have now with optus?

[@jayisk82]

Hey mate, I've been on Optus Cable for the past 11yrs and was very happy with the service. I'm now being told that my area is ready for FTTN NBN, isn't that going backwards? I was told for years Cable was my only option due to the distance and quality of copper to my home. Did you go from Optus cable to FTTN? If so how did it go? I believe that this home did have Foxtel at some time as I have some Foxtel labeled ports in the home, i'm hoping I can still stay on HFC...

[@soarer282]

@@jayisk82 We were on optus HFC cable and now we are on FTTC with aussie broadband. On FTTN The distance to the nearest node is what limits the max speed. The maximum speed on FTTN is 50-100 down. our old optus ports were not used and the nbn modem connects directly to the old telstra wires. The router has a phone line output for the home phone. I did not use the old Optus phone lines in the walls. From what I understand the optus cable will be decommissioned soon.

[@jayisk82]

@@soarer282 Thanks for the reply. Yeah I have heard the same about Optus cable. The closest green box(which I believe to be the node) is all the way down another street. Hopefully the speeds will be similar to what I have been used too...

[@timg6850]

Aussie FTTC in theory is a better technology as the fiber goes right up to your driveway which means less copper involved. FTTC should be able to get speeds close to fiber in the near future and it will be an easier to upgrade to all fiber.

[@ThePred2009]

I asked if docsis 3.1 was available in my area and the telstra guy didnt even know what that was 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@TechManPat]

NBN Co Said they will use it in 2017..... they did not...

[@EVOASSHOLE]

Arris is busy with other nations. Au aint keeping up. I am hoping arris can offer a better solution to hfc as i like their routers

[@craigevans1140]

I just got on hfc

[@davidherranz3191]

I'm getting hfc NBN in may signing up with Aussie Broadband 100/40. Hope all goes well

[@TechManPat]

Im sure it will be fine! feel free to use our sign up code 990911 :P

[@davidherranz3191]

@@TechManPat I applied for the first month free. Is netgear nighthawk X4s modem router and tp link archer vr2800 good for hfc I have both modem router. And in future was thinking getting tp link Taipan ac 3200 what you recommend

[@TechManPat]

@@davidherranz3191 the night hawk is good, and since its popular it gets plenty of firmware updates. i think unless you have heaps of wifi devices it might be overkill

[@davidherranz3191]

@@TechManPat thanks heaps for the heads up

[@davidherranz3191]

When nbn goes live in my area on 10th of may and i preordered aussie broadband 50/20.how long would it take for tech to came to my home to be connected. So how you said in earlier chat netgear nighthawk x4s be better then tp link ac2800 for nbn hfc. Im just going use for netflix KZbin playstation 4. I love both modem/routers have them both but with one be better on the hfc. And is there other modem/routers you highly recommend. What you think of dlink modem routers dlink taipan and cobra or just stick with what ive got. Thanks

[@danielstanley6861]

I have hfc and getting 114 down and 5.35 up

[@27schmidty]

does it matter how far your are from your node with HFC cause i think im about 400m away

[@TechManPat]

HFC is less affected by distance however it still is, so its still a bit of a lucky draw, sorry cant be exact, but you are better off than most :) good luck

[@dippy9119]

Is HFC kind of like "coaxial cable to the node"?

[@TechManPat]

Yep that’s right

[@franktkalcevic5342]

@@TechManPat I don't think you mentioned that FTTN is individual copper lines to the node, whereas HFC is one shared coaxial cable to the node. I got HFC NBN early 2017, but shortly after, they stopped connecting my neighbours (about 80 units/apartments on my short street). What are the limits of the number connections and bandwidth as connections increase?

[@scratchback2001]

I've changed to Aussie broad band on HFC. I'm getting 800 down and 200 up. Goodbye Telstra.

[@seanzappulla71]

I’m on HFC NBN on Telstra my speed i’m getting is download 93.66 and upload 32.85 I had Foxtel on HFC but I got it switched over to satellite. I do have my landline phone number moved over to the NBN and the landline does have HD Voice on the NBN. It does take a little to get used to have HD Voice on a landline. If I call a landline phone on the NBN or a mobile phone using HD Voice.

[@TechManPat]

ahh thats no good, hows satellite?

[@seanzappulla71]

Tech Man Pat The satalite is fantastic and it has a 4K channel on the IQ4 on ch 444. There will be more 4K channels coming in time. When you get the satellite get a antenna installer or electrician to prewire to the location where the dish will go and to the wall point for the IQ4. The 4K TV has to have HDCP 2.2 but the Foxtel on satellite is fantastic and with the NBN on HFC. The Foxtel will get switched off for the NBN

[@pranammm]

dude I am getting 50 NBN plan with HFC is that good speed for youtube

[@TechManPat]

Yes yes it is haha

[@seanzappulla71]

PRANAM BREAD I have the 100 nbn plan with HFC on Telstra and I’m loving the speed on the HFC NBN.

[@pranammm]

@@seanzappulla71 so would 50 be good for youtube

[@mikee2056]

To - Tech Man Pat...can you or anyone for that matter tell me what branded cable the NBN actually use. I have heard they will only use 2 specific approved brands. I cannot find ANYWHERE what the specs of this cable are, nor the brand names. I am assuming 75ohm Quad Shielded RG6/U cable. Main reason I would like to know, is that I may want to pull my own cable in the cavity and roof, as I have the time and want to make sure I get the right cable. Can anyone assist.

[@TechManPat]

Honestly I just don’t know as the cables can doffer from decade to decade when they were installed

[@TechManPat]

You are best to run a cat6 and get them to install a point near it

[@mikee2056]

@@TechManPat That's OK, I guess I was asking about the cables currently being installed to houses with HFC by NBN say within the last 12 months as an example.

[@Engr.Aust.Services1online]

good

[@Icycoldcoke]

NBN HFC 100 in south west Sydney i get 94 down and 35 up on a speed test

[@thegoon459]

what about during peak periods (7-11pm)?

[@Icycoldcoke]

very rarely notice a drop off

[@rod050858]

It is 610 socket or alarm 611 mode 3 outlet or RJ6 not RJ45

[@TechManPat]

my bad i think i meant RJ11?

[@danebagangan2009]

Quality of HFC installation in WA is way better that NSW.

[@JontyHare]

FTTC only connects a maximum of 4 homes per node so a lot more reliable

[@Liamisdank]

hfc gang

[@ThePred2009]

Just tried to get a gigabit connection over hfc with telstra. Best they could offer was 80 mbps. What a load of crap.

[@TechManPat]

Mark r oh yeah don’t expect the isp to be helpful at all ;) max is half that on hfc cables, and that’s with really good hardware at the node

[@EVOASSHOLE]

Hehehe we all throttled now. Half nbn rollout liberal cancel. Its ok. They knew the important people got the fibre

[@vinylmonster4907]

Exactly how i was connected when i lived in the United States - what a bitter disappointment it was to discover Australia's completely inadequate, terribly antiquated internet connection national network.....still stuck with FTTN ADSL+2, when will australia move into the current century and provide decent internet!

[@Johninadelaide2022]

Blame our politicians.... Australia is always behind

[@bradley9350]

I get 90+ down 35+ upload HFC $80 a month South Australia

[@santoshrathod123]

bradley what RSP provider?

[@bradley9350]

Santosh Rathod with Telstra

[@mrtron7837]

With my Optus 4G plus plan I get 130mbps down and 50mbps up I can't wait to get a 5G connection.

[@TechManPat]

But do you get much data allowance ?

[@mrtron7837]

​My mobile plan is only 25GB. I can go to a 4G Plus broadband with 500GB and get the same speeds or wait for unlimited 5G I live pretty close to a wireless tower.

[@appletree4433]

I get 320mbps download on 4G LTE xD. perks of living right next to a tower that is only congested when cars use it.

[@SevenCostanza]

i dont think so

[@Johninadelaide2022]

Pity the NBN in Australia was such a shambles

[@doublextreme360]

Still on Telstra cable and get better internet than half the people on FTTN lol

[@TechManPat]

Never leave haha :)

[@doublextreme360]

Could be good to get that 500mbps tho!

[@ohsprof654]

55 up & 20 down

[@Iggsy81]

but hows the congestion gonna be is the Q

[@TechManPat]

At this stage it seems fine, Fixed wireless has the congestion problems

[@GalileoFigar0]

You’re getting confused between coaxial vs hybrid fibre-coaxial

[@EVOASSHOLE]

Is there a hfc isp that actually lets you drop the arris MODEM and get the arris ROUTER MODEM? I mean it makes sense. Internet connection box is a fucking modem. Byo modem is a lie from isp when the nbn seem to force u to use the cheapest arris modem because they think we stupid. Tp9442 arris should be an option hfc

[@firebird940]

Power outage solution: buy UPS from eBay for $90 .

[@noelcarter]

That's fine, but we need to remember that backup time is also dependent on the battery in the node. I understand it runs out after about four hours.

[@faizanjoyia]

So the best NBN is as follows 1. FTTP 2.HFC 3.FTTC 4. FTTN

[@TechManPat]

Mac Man yes

[@farooqui7861]

1. FTTH

[@musicalneptunian]

6:48 Not necessarily. It's a bit more complex and nuanced than that. I still have a landline phone that used to be connected to the copper. But now the landline phone is basically run by the Telstra modem. So that if I turn my modem off then my landline will not work. I've asked Telstra techs about all this; they call my set up a BYO set up because I have decided to not use any VOIP for my FTTP.

[@5wisher5weet]

HFC will always be greater or equal to FTTN.....everyone on 100/40 should get about 93/17

[@watdahlolzman7826]

U poor buggers

[@OneUtterBastard]

In the first few minutes he describes it as "fibre coaxial cable" - say WHAT!! It's crap copper. And it's been around since the 80's not the 90's - don't try to make it sound reasonably modern. It isn't.

[@JoeNguyen9x]

should be all hfc or fttp. FTTN and FTTB suck bad and unlucky homeowners who get those suffer for years

[@bjtaudio]

HFC is awful, constant outages, slow, speeds vary, upload is too small..enterprise is best with fiber to the house with Aussie. its expensive thou. So what can we do with this horrible old cable TV network once we get fiber instead. Well you can connect a high powered VHF/UHF radio transmitter and back feed the cable and disrupt the service..yea I know you could pump hundreds of amps of current through the shield of the street cable, and burn it out? see smoke I know connect a high voltage power supply 33,000Volts ac ? and blow up the repeater amp in the street...that will be fun

[@carlos_spicy_weiner]

Phone is RJ11 not RJ45 Also who under 50 still has a home phone??

[@noelcarter]

Two octogenarians here, with two mobiles and VOIP, one acting as a backup in case of power failure.

[@noelcarter]

I should have added that, those destined to a life on FTTN, should have their line capability tested, before signing to a high-speed plan, so connections, etc, aren't stressed, resulting in lotsa dropouts and other problems. Our 50 plan produces 35-47 down and satisfactory upload speeds. Tried 100, but speeds were all over the place, so reverted to 50. In two years, there've been about three dropouts (hope I'm not speaking too soon?).

[@carlos_spicy_weiner]

@@noelcarter I know what you mean, its just with mobiles now who has a home phone even if its VOIP, the added phone bundle is just a means of getting extra money without actually providing a service.

[@noelcarter]

@@carlos_spicy_weiner Can we agree to disagree on this one? A VOIP service adds $10/month to our NBN plan, about the same as having ADSL2+ and a Hellstra landline. It's a question of age and what you prefer. And you don't have to go searching for that bloody mobile, of which we have two.

[@carlos_spicy_weiner]

​@@noelcarter ok but you still have to find the voip phone in the first place, I would prefer to swap the VOIP for a static IP as i have to bypass this at the the moment as i am not going to pay $10 additional for that. Static ip allows you ease of access to your servers so that you can manipulate files as well as preform mantelpiece with out having to be there