What is NDI? - Why you NEED it for OBS!

[@josephsabio]

Thank you so much. I was finally able to connect multiple iPhones subscribed and liked. Thank you so much. Have a wonderful day.

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

Glad I could help 👌

[@sandro-nigris]

Thanks so much John Paul! You are the real expert of NDI!

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

That’s very kind of you, thank you 🙏

[@KT-hx2ul]

You mean a wireless access point and a network switch. A router routes between your internal network and the internet. Some of them include Wifi and a 4 or 5 port switch.

[@eliotmansfield]

Being pedantic - a router is used to transfer data between networks (such as your lan and the internet). You keep saying you need a good router, but i think you mean you need a good network ‘switch’ which transfers data between nodes on the same LAN. Many home ‘routers’ include a few lan switch ports, but it’s worth differentiating that it’s fast lan switching that’s required for good performance

[@tablemannerz407]

This was incredibly helpful for literally exactly what I am trying to accomplish! THANK YOU!

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

You are more than welcome 🙏

[@MrGTOYskatoTOYsILY3000]

Thanks for sharing. Will try this in our online broadcast. Keep safe!

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

There now is a new NDI v5

[@MrGTOYskatoTOYsILY3000]

@@JohnPaulMusicUK hi. It is downloadable free?

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

Not anymore 😞

[@MrGTOYskatoTOYsILY3000]

@@JohnPaulMusicUK haha… it ok bro 😎 thanks for more info

[@georgefenning4844]

Can you explain what is meant by a fast router . ? Specs? Thanks

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

One that can sustain a good bandwidth. For example, A single 1920×1080@30 fps NDI stream needs approximately 100 Mbps of dedicated bandwidth. The bandwidth required will change, however, depending on the resolution, framerate, and how much motion is being captured by the camera. Then add more camera to the mix and you will need more bandwidth.

[@georgefenning4844]

@@JohnPaulMusicUK Thank you very much. very helpful

[@LesProductionsZvon]

Thanks for this very interesting and informative video. To answer your question "Would I use it?", I currently does not work that way but I could at some point and NDI could be useful then. On the hand, my current internet connection is not that fast. so there could be some problems there.

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

Its not about upload and download speeds.. its about your router. All I would say is give it a try. My internet speeds are not fast but I have an updated router and it works. 👍🏻

[@LesProductionsZvon]

@@JohnPaulMusicUK Thanks for the additional info, I understand better now. It's an internal network.

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

Yep. 👍🏻

[@KBsammy]

How to solve delay or slow response issues. The video does not match with my sound. Sound comes first and the movement on video comes after. What would be the issues? Please help....

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

This could be down to your internet connection - wether it’s wired or wireless and in things like OBS, you can offset (delay) the audio so it’s in time with the visuals.

[@bonarsmusic01]

Followed the steps . everything installed okay. The NDI source shows up okay, but when I select that source, I just get a black screen in OBS. the smartphone mic is live, so I know the connection is good. And I can see the camera feed if I go to the properties window, so I know the device is connected to OBS via NDI. seems not ready for prime time.

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

That’s crazy. I take it you have rebooted both since installing to let the firmware and plugins take affect? NDI and NewTek is used professionally around the world. Unsure why that’s not working. Reach out to their support team - www.ndi.tv/tools/

[@bonarsmusic01]

@@JohnPaulMusicUK Yes, of course, I have rebooted everything. I spent the better part of a working day working on it and researching it. Turns out the "black screen" is a well known and well documented glitch. I found references to it all over the web. NewTek support promised me a refund, but then went quiet. They asked me for a screen shot of the "black screen" in OBS. which seems ridiculous, but which I sent them. This problem has been around for quite some time, and is widespread, and NewTek are well aware of it. Not impressed.

[@PeteJohnsMusic]

JP! I’ve been looking for a tutorial on this and about to stream tomorrow so I’ll be giving it a go. 🙏

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

Hey Pete! Look at me helping the legendary Pete Johns out! Nice! Yeah it’s a Great part to have of OBS. 👍🏻

[@TheZenguitarguy]

Thanks for the Video, the NDI download for Mac is not clear and I was unable to download. Is it possible to post a direct link here? Your videos are clear and excellent. Thank you

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

Thankyou. 👍🏻 Heres the link. obsproject.com/forum/resources/obs-ndi-newtek-ndi™-integration-into-obs-studio.528/

[@TheZenguitarguy]

@@JohnPaulMusicUK So I installed NDI from that link and now I cannot launch OBS? It just crashes on install. It was working great and unfortunately I cannot find the NDI files I installed as they are not the same name as the install files. I uninstalled OBS and re-installed and still cannot launch. Do you know the name and location of the NDI files so I can uninstall them? I was so enjoying working with OBS and now am stuck so any help would be greatly appreciated.

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

I’m sorry it’s crashed your OBS - here is the package github.com/Palakis/obs-ndi/releases/download/4.9.1/obs-ndi-4.9.0-macOS.pkg Should be OBS-NDI-4.9.0-MacOS.pkg Make sure you are on version 25 of OBS.

[@TheZenguitarguy]

@@JohnPaulMusicUK Thanks. I am not sure Version 25 is compatible with OS Sierra but will try.

[@johnmaher3558]

Hi John... LOVE the video ... and LOVE your relaxed, clear, no-nonsense presentation style... I am teaching English online (to non-native speakers). i use Zoom and Google Meets... with a combination of live tuition to a very small group, combined with slide presentations with embedded audio and graphics (so that I can loop, say, a particular phrase.. to aid listening skills, pronunciation, and memorisation. MY QUESTION: I am learning about OBS and NDI... and I am wondering whether the NDI HX Capture HX app on iPad will allow me to operate, say, an app on iPad and stream the app to my students (for example, I could stream a quiz in an app to the students..... or an entry in a foreign-language dictionary, etc). Once again, thanks. SUBSCRIBED.

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

Hey John. 👋 That’s exactly what NDI HX capture app is for.. to capture the screen of that device. 👍🏻 So yeah that would work. 👍🏻

[@cassiusronnie1926]

I dont mean to be so off topic but does any of you know of a method to get back into an Instagram account..? I was stupid lost the password. I would appreciate any help you can offer me!

[@drivelikealice1780]

Excellent explanations! Thanks so much for your help ✌🏻😁👉🏼ENJOY and looking 4ward to more! Appreciate you way much.

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

Thanks so much 👍🏻

[@drivelikealice1780]

JohnPaul Music UK My pleasure JohnPaul ✊😉

[@bassplayinpapa]

Excellent! Thanks!

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

You are more than welcome 🙏

[@mistergeorgie]

Thank you!!

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

Welcome. They are now on to version 5 of NDI which is even faster!

[@cornett0]

This works very well thanks for the pointers JohnPaul.... bit late to the party so I had to pay £20 for the app... but amazing on my OBS and Zoom

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

Awww shame its gone back to £20 - but cheaper than buying a £100 webcam. 👍🏻

[@cornett0]

@@JohnPaulMusicUK sure is cheaper :)

[@dartmaster3006]

I download obs ndi and ndi virtual input , but its not working with zoom,

[@alvaroagante]

I've used the NDI HX Capture app on my iPhone, I did the exact same thing as you did and it doesn't show the screen of my iPhone and supposedly is receiving the audio, because it shows on audio mixer, but it looks like it not working too. Can someone help me PLEASE!!?

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

That’s strange. What phone? What’s the iOS? Have you installed the NDI drivers to your computer to work with OBS or zoom? Have you restarted your computer to let the drivers take affect?

[@alvaroagante]

@@JohnPaulMusicUK I've solved the problem. I found the solution on this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/jn3KZWqHgcR0qJI

[@dartmaster3006]

What should i do to work it ndi obs to zoom

[@JamesNoteology]

Another helpful video

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

Thank you 🙏

[@JamesNoteology]

@@JohnPaulMusicUK your welcome, I had a few headaches trying to install the NDI plug-in on obs, at first it wouldn’t show up in the sources menu after a while I managed to get it sorted. Might be worth doing a further video on how to install the NDI plugin.

[@NealFox]

Another great tut. I wanted to use NDI but found out that it needs gigabyte wireless to work. I don't know what my router is, but my setup is only 100 mps download and about 11 mps upload. I'd have to pay double what I'm paying now to upgrade to gigabyte.

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

Hey Neal. So as I said in the video.. it’s NOT about the speed of your broadband. It’s just your router. My speeds here are 30 down and 10 up!!!! And it works! It’s about the traffic on your router.. not the upload or download speeds. Hope that restores some faith. Give it a go.. you might be surprised! 👍🏻

[@NealFox]

@@JohnPaulMusicUK Interesting. I'll give it a try. Thanks.

[@waichow3658]

Hi, is there any Android App for NDI camera? Thanks.

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

Hi. Its currently just on the iOS platform at the moment.

[@chrisryder6143]

@@JohnPaulMusicUK You can now down load it for android but it is no longer free it is now 19.99

[@zstring]

Hey! Great Vid! How much of the latency do you think is from the router vs the computer processor? I am considering using NDI for a multicam setup (hoping to run it at 4k)

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

Hey Zachary 👋 Whoa! Running 4K is hard. It’s best to be plugged in to your router on the comouter - wifi just wont cut it. You’ll just have to okay around with the audio offset. Mine is 300ms using wifi and doing 1080.

[@zstring]

JohnPaul Music UK Thanks! Honestly, I don’t even know if 4k is feasible... especially since i’m trying to run it via the NDI HX Camera app... i don’t even know if it is capturing running 4k or 1080 on the mobile app. But even if it’s just 1080, i’m trying to see if i need to buy the new MBP with the 5600m and 64gb RAM to run a 6 or 7 cam setup with OBS (plus some graphics and other things, lol... i can get a but overkill at times 😅) or if i can get away with a $3000 MBP. I’m also a musician, and most of my workflow is Mac oriented (which is why i’m considering spending my life savings on a Mac 😂🤣😂). BTW... THANKS FOR THE REPLY 🙏🏽 🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

Looks like Apple are moving away from Intel and making their own Apple Silicon chips for the macs - interesting times.

[@zstring]

JohnPaul Music UK VERY interesting times! I think it’s awesome... but i do have to say... i was a HUGE fan of when they started using Intel in 2006. Let’s hope they are able to deliver! Another random question... what do you think the max amount of NDI channels you can get on without to much latency, on something like an Asus ax11000 (and yeah, i was planning on hardwiring the laptop, but running the video from the phones/ipads via NDI HX... also, found out, the app does 4k, if the phone supports it👏🏽👏🏽😅😅👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽)

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

Honestly don’t I ow what the max would be before you run into latency. I run into latency at 4K with one device but my broadband isn’t that fast. Hope you can do it. Would be a really interesting thing to document. Maybe reach out to NDI and see what support they have for you. Keep me posted 👍🏻

[@echo_opera]

Really great stuff as always Sir. A Great Many thanks for the work you do!

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

Thanks 🙏

[@graxjpg]

Can I use a WiFi network that is not connected to the internet to transmit these signals?

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

Yes you can. They are just transmitting to one another and that’s what you see in professional setups all the time where they have a dedicated WiFi just for transmitting data between devices, like a ‘backstage’ wifi that doesn’t get clogged up with users on the internet. 👍🏻

[@graxjpg]

@@JohnPaulMusicUK brilliant! Thank you for the response, that sounds like an ideal thing.

[@BenjermunBlunted]

I installed both and it's not working, what am I doing wrong

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

What are you using NDI with? Do you have the NDI drivers installed onto the computer?

[@sathyanpalakkad]

PLEASE TAKE A SURVEY OF HOW MANY PEOPLE COULD SUCESSFULLY USE NDI 5.................. I DOUBT MOST OF THEM FAILED... MY PREVIOUS SYSTEM OF LINKING BOTH PCS THRU NDI OLD VERSION ALSO GOT CONKED OFF... DISCUSS

[@2en2ationa18]

I still don't know how to install the ndi plugin. Can anyone help?

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

On the computer or the phone? Are you Mac or windows?

[@lws4531]

Great information. The music is a bit of a distraction, though

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

Yeah my latest videos are starting to have less background music in cause of that very reason. Thank you for the feedback. 👍🏻

[@Stephoffaith]

What is the android alternative for this?

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

EpocCam - kzbin.info/www/bejne/jqfCnqGkfKyhi80

[@Sanre]

droidcam is better

[@Bluesguy22]

Hey JohnPaul - great videos and just what I need right now. I too need some help on how to install NDI properly on my Win 10 desktop. In addition, I'm not clear on its use in my situation. Could you explain if I have a laptop on my first floor and desktop on the second floor where my router is, and I want to send the signal for streaming my band from the first floor to the second floor, do I need to have NDI on both machines and OBS on both? Think I'm missing a bit of the concept here. I do appreciate any help you can provide. Keep the the tutorials coming! Oh and by the way, I plan to use a Roland VR-1HD in the stream. Peter

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

Hey peter 👋 So it’s a bit of a different situation for you. This video was to showcase the NDI apps that are on the iOS App Store - I’m not sponsored by NewTek or NDI - I just think it’s a good solution for using you r ipad or iPhone as a camera and sending that video feed to your computer. So using that scenario - you would have an iPhone or iPad on the first floor with the NDI HX Camera app, pointing at the band - and making sure. That device is on the same WiFi as the computer on the 2nd floor. Then you would be running OBS on the 2nd computer - with the NDI plugin already installed so you can pull the camera (iPhone) information/feed into the computer. Does that make sense? You only need OBS running on the second floor computer to stream out to the world. Take a look at this article - the guy is a gamer but the concept of having two computers and OBS is the same. Hope it helps - www.obs.live/articles/2019/5/1/how-to-stream-with-two-pcs-using-obs-studio-and-the-ndi-plugin Also that Roland VR-1HD looks a BEAST! Awesome!

[@Bluesguy22]

@@JohnPaulMusicUK _ Thanks so much for getting back to me so quickly. You've given me some good information and links to continue with. I'm not so sure at this point that NDI is the answer to my dilemma, as it seems I will still have to use an ethernet cable to connect the two computers. I will likely just take my desktop downstairs and feed the signal via ethernet to the router/internet for streaming. Oh well. Thanks again for all your help. Keep on truckin'!

[@ailfawka6278]

why do their apps have such bad reviews on android? btw whats a rooter, or did you mean a rou-ter?

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

I don’t know. I don’t use it on android and yes, haha, I mean router.

[@cdtechniques686]

Do an android version please..

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

here it is: play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.newtek.ndi.hxcam&hl=en_GB&gl=US

[@doobresick]

But can you get it to work probably.. seems unlikely if you research…

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

I don’t use android I’m afraid so I don’t know if they have dropped support. Head on over to NewTek’s support page here: www.newtek.com/ndi/applications/

[@philtuttleaudiocaptivatepr9736]

Thanks for this! Does it change anything if I use the camera app with an ethernet adapter on my iPad Air 4 (USB-C)? Wish the app was still free, but I'm wondering if the latency is any better going ethernet.

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

Hey Phil 👋 Yeah over Ethernet will always be faster. 👍🏻

[@GrassDaddy]

Hey! Maybe you can help. I'm using a very powerful computer to live stream a PTZ camera using NDI and OBS. But there is a weird stutter in the video. When we switch to 4k HDMI source there is no stutter. What is odd is the NDI monitor has no stutter either, it's only inside OBS. Any advice?

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

could be down to a couple of things - refresh rate, bitrate, what you are outputting in what format, FPS. there are too many variables.. try doing a few tests with different rates privately. also head on over to the OBS forum and see if anyone has had similar issues. Hope you get it fixed 🤞

[@hamilton5656]

I know it’s unlikely, but is it at all possible to use with a phone hotspot? My church currently run two live-streams simultaneously, one on WiFi and the other on hotspot. Trying to get a multi-cam setup without spending anymore money. We also use vMix instead of OBS, are these apps compatible?

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

I use my phone’s 4g with my iMac when streaming cause its genuinely faster than my home broadband! 😆 So yes just hotspot the mac to your phone. 👍🏻

[@rodrigogozzano7367]

I downloaded NDI HX on my iphone and I was able to use it without problems in OBS. But since I moved in, it doesn't work for me. Do you know why that happens?

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

Since you moved in? What to a new place? Is it a new WiFi? Try deleting the app and reinstalling it. 👍🏻

[@sparty5807]

For some reason whenever I try this, I get nothing that says NDI when I click on sources. What should I do?

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

Make sure you are on the latest version of OBS (v.25) and then reset and install the NDI plugin. If not, then reach out to ObsProject forum for support.

[@summerstrumukulelefestival7322]

I had a few issues with it dropping out (people phone you etc...) so ended up quitting OBS and the App and restarting both..

[@3rdayproductions]

Sorry this did not work. OBS does not show my image.

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

That’s weird. Make sure you have the NDI plug-in / drivers installed on your computer and the computer has been rebooted to make sure those drivers come into affect. If your still having connection issues, have a look here : www.ndi.tv/products/ndi-hx-camera-app/

[@rudynikoiaddo]

anyone else has the problem of ndi virtual input not opening on windows

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

sorry I’m on a Mac but hope someone on Windows can help. 🙏 🤞

[@chrisryder6143]

If you need NDI for comp on windows try using NDI 4 Tools its free

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

Great tip 👍🏻

[@rudynikoiaddo]

I have found the solution to this problem. Open Task Manager End task for ndi input Open it again.

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

Being a Mac user, I would never have figured that out but I’m glad you have. 👍🏻

[@AlaKernel]

No Android App ☹

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

I know right - they have currently suspended it whilst they work on compatibility - so maybe in the future.🤞

[@chrisryder6143]

@@JohnPaulMusicUK you can get it for Android now in google play

[@chrisryder6143]

You can get it now for Android in google play

[@LordLethris]

Its not free anymore. And its quite expencive

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

Yeah it’s free not anymore. 😞

[@wesmichaelgorospe8208]

JP, could you go slower, and step by step on how to download ops ndi from Github?

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

Hey Wes 👋 Pass me your email and let me guide you. 👍🏻

[@azirulbahrom5438]

not free anymore. sad

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

Yeah.. was a limited time during the first lockdown in 2020.

[@QUBIQUBED]

100th like

[@JohnPaulMusicUK]

Boom 👊🏻🙌👏👏👏