What Is Qlipoth Protecting Us From? | Honkai Star Rail Lore

[@idontspeakjapanese6289]

Ouroboros is last known Leviathan left alive and Qlipoth took part in the dusk wars, defeating the Leviathans. The cosmic snek might be trying to get revenge by consuming everything since it represents Gluttony. Qlipoth is probably wary that Ouroboros might start devouring planets. Terminus might also pose a threat.

[@Maevix3142]

That is a possibility and it does parallel the dragons in genshin with some of them like apep still being alive and still pissed at the gods, might be what qlipoth is so stressed out about

[@horizon146]

Honkai is a part of the Honkai Impact universe, which follows the "rule" of Finality - Having found an Aeon called the Aeon of Finality, I'm starting to believe the Honkai is caused by the Aeon of Finality. As for what Finality is, basically every 50,000 years the world just gets reset. But the lore behind that is still just so confusing. Honkai is confirmed to HATE humanity, so Honkai's motivation is NOT to see whether humanity is strong enough to exist, it just wants to kill them. Hopefully we learn more about this in the future though since Honkai Impact's story is still being developed constantly

[@GolgothianSylex]

Honkai originates from Cocoon - and it doesn't hate humanity, which is shown in 35th chapter.

[@horizon146]

@@GolgothianSylex I'll have to play the new chapters to understand better then, but unless it got retconned (as usual), Honkai indeed hates humanity. Why else would the Will of Honkai tell Herrschers that they should kill/destroy, and why else would Herrschers originate in people who grew hatred in their heart? (see: HoDom, HoV, HoStars/Earth, etc) - there were other cases where honkai obviously hated humanity but I've forgotten.

[@mechatr0nix]

The last chapters are very important in understanding the Honkai. A better summary would be that Honkai was a force of Cocoon and a test for humanity. Trapping them in the Samsara was done by Cocoon so humanity could be reset and tested again. More importantly, Honkai and Cocoon are higher dimensional existences and can't be described as hating us or even wanting to "embrace" us

[@horizon146]

@@mechatr0nix Lovely to hear, I'll get on them as soon as my finals are over. Thanks.

[@GolgothianSylex]

@@horizon146 hate and test were just theories of humankind, not universal truths - it wasn't retconned, just improved.

[@LexLiminality]

Honkai, Sky People, and other Aeons are all reasonable guesses The Sky People *have* to come up at some point as they're the whole reason Welt and Void Archives are here, but I could see Qlipoth's constructions being an excuse to keep Star Rail distinct from HI3rd so that the average player isn't expected to learn the lore of a much older, much different game: the Honkai and/or Sky People *would* be a threat but Qlipoth is keeping them out, letting the story focus on things centric/native to the Star Rail universe

[@communitygamer117]

Svaha or True Abyss of the Sea really on demon time creating the Sky People (or creating the entities that made them)

[@communitygamer117]

While I agree that Sky People is good guess....how can they target and travel across the Imaginary Tree? Even Kiana can't do that. So it really just begs how Void Archives and Welt got there. Because that'll probably be related to the Sky People's invasion philosophy.

[@Maevix3142]

Qlipoths constructs being an in universe answer to keep stuff out is pretty smart and convenient though im still curious what would make him start building it in the first place

[@communitygamer117]

@@Maevix3142 Probably Terminus

[@theemathas]

I think that Xipe is a plausible threat. Xipe already absorbed one aeon, and it wouldn't be too surprising if Xipe wants to absorb more and eventually rule the entire universe. After all, "intelligent lifeforms must discard their cowardly selfishness and the differences between individuals, fusing into one singular melody - to have the strong help the weak, and to protect life with death." And what the heck is "protect life with death" anyway. For examples of Xipe being sus, see "Memory Bubble: Family". Also, the real world Xipe was a god who wore human skin, and has a festival where prisoners were sacrificed for their skin. Which is especially sus, given that Penacony has prisoners.

[@idontspeakjapanese6289]

Xipe dosen't really seem that threatening if you compare them to the likes of Ouroboros, Mythus and Terminus

[@theemathas]

@@idontspeakjapanese6289 Xipe and Ouroboros are the only ones whose threats are directed towards aeons though.

[@zhenhannlim2458]

@@theemathas, the reason why Xipe even absorbed Ena the Order is because their paths overlapped and Xipe's path was broader and won. Xipe has no intention of seeking conflict of any sort if them following the path of harmony is any indication. I mean welt even said that Xipe isn't really a threat and his intuition is most of the time reliable correct me if I said something wrong or overlooked something

[@darkdude1996ify]

Xipe somehow seems to have some things in common with The Propagation, with the whole hivemind and Swarm/Family thing

[@Maevix3142]

While I dont think Xipe is villanous at least with the little we know about her, id love to see something as passive as harmony be twisted into some darker version of it with xipe still wanting harmony but by any means necessary type of deal or maybe achieving harmony by removing all potential sources of threat and all the while smiling while doing it

[@RePhantomz]

As for the external force: 1. Honkai already been prooven and from its pattern across 2 hoyoverse game being honkai impact and GGZ, honkai always use something called finality or the end as finsl trigger of its process. In honkai impact all of herscher are manifestation of cocon of finality power. In short hersher are proxy of honkai. Meanwhile in GGZ the workd are destroyed by hersher of finality. Now let us back to hsr. There is one misterious aeon that we have so little information of. Yep aeon of finality. This aeom might not the standard aeon but another proxy of honkai instead. 2nd there is a threat called sky peaple in honkai impact verse. They are multiverse jumping civilization that claimed to be successfull fighting againts honkai and thus has been invading another world to mine on honkai energy. This sky people threat is why welt and void archive jump into hsr world.

[@michaelcgrigori7823]

Welt > shows a picture of Aizen, yes I can see those two becoming friends quickly they are both, crazy smart have gravity manipulation as one of their main powers and lead a double life!

[@animejuggernaut2553]

That very last thing you suggested at the end, Qlipoth just building walls as it's the closest approximation of preservation, sounds like an awesome idea imo. I really liked how star rail has handled the aeons. Being of god-like proportions, but not actual gods in the sense that they're only stuck on their path. You wouldn't think a 'god of life' would be a villain, but yaoshi is technically a villain in the luofu arc, having cursed the residents with eternal life without regard of any consequences (being mara struck and the mental decline with never dying) So i kinda like the idea that Qlipoth is just erecting random barriers and walls due to it's path and not actually trying to protect the universe from anything. But it's followers misunderstood it, thinking from a perspective similar to the yaoshi case and assumed it's building the walls to protect from some bad thing. That would also make sense why Qlipoth never used the materials the IPC gave it cause it's in no hurry to build, cause there's nothing it's defending the universe from. Just building walls for the heck of it so to speak. But then again, there's merit to the plot in having him build the walls to actually protect the universe aswell.

[@arnowisp6244]

If that's the Case Aha would just make comments laughing at the Aeon.

[@animejuggernaut2553]

@@arnowisp6244 Hmm, true. Has Aha made comments on all the other aeons already? Like, are they available in game?

[@darkdude1996ify]

I assumed the reason Qlipoth doesn't use the materials it's given because they'd be of inferior quality, which would imply that the walls actually do serve a purpose (since otherwise, the materials used wouldn't matter). Who knows what the walls are currently being made from though?

[@phiexi]

​@@animejuggernaut2553 Not Aha but one of his followers which is a Masked Fool, They said: "The Erudition is a hunk of junk, The Preservation is a blockhead, The Hunt has no sense of humor and The Destruction is a lunatic, What a shame for Aha!"

[@Maevix3142]

It is also the simplest if we assume that the 3 games so far are not directly connected (yes im aware same multiverse and all that) maybe its just like hey path of destruction i wanna destroy stuff doesnt matter what. I like idea of something out there that threatens the universe but it makes me kinda curious what could scare even an aeon. What I like about the aeons are despite beings gods theyre pretty one minded and are functionally like drones following whatever the paths represent. Its almost like being a god is a trap, which now makes me wonder maybe thats why we havent seen celestia or others gods in genshin. Theyre just stuck with the task theyre assigned 🤔

[@raziemanbacho331]

As of the latest Simulated Universe, turns out Qlipoth was the one to deliver the final blows on Tazzyronth. Slamming it's gigantic hammer on the Insect God, it's painful wails echoing throughout the universe

[@Yagamatory]

Honkai originates from Terminus (Finality), which witnessed the death of the universe countless times. It tries to train civilizations to resist something that will lead to the end, sending cataclysms upon them and reverse time when they fails in order to start from begining. In a sense, Terminus and Qliphoth go to the same goal in different ways.

[@marupurusaivamsi4802]

Qlipoth is just building a tournament stage and fence for aeons to fight without destroying universe.😂

[@Maevix3142]

At first this sounded kinda random but the more i think about it the more it makes sense.. plus I would so definitely watch a battle royale of all the aeons 😂

[@marupurusaivamsi4802]

@@Maevix3142 same, I was just joking but after commenting, I realised wait it could be right 🤣.

[@IX-Of-Nihility]

​@@Maevix3142 bro I would just eat popcorn while watching 😄

[@bludinparis]

​@@IX-Of-Nihility nihility wins zero diff

[@szabolcssuda3569]

Abundance: Make everything immortal so that the threat cant kill anyone Destruction: destroy everything so that there is nothing to be killed by the threat Preservation: protect everything so that the threat cant kill anyone Erudition: find a way to kill the threat Harmony: fight the threat together I cant really think of a Nihility (weaken it over time ) and Hunt ( maybe hunt is just kill the threat)

[@lazybuddah9639]

nihility is probably: why bother fighting if we just lose

[@ZuraJura]

Nihility just slept

[@navia2756]

We have Welt, but where did the Void Archives go? They did travel here together, we know that much.

[@Maevix3142]

Probably will be brought up later in the story once we get a specific story covering welt

[@kibousn1686]

So, with new information, allow me to add to the Honkai part. One: The term "universe" is rather funny for the cosmology for Hoyo. It refers to both "the space in which the Imaginary Tree and the sea of Qunata resides" and can refer to the real-number universe "leaves" that are on the branches of the Tree. Two: Honkai can be the culling force that you've mentioned, but another theory from another scientist in HI3rd came up with was that Honkai wasn't apart of the "universe" - the first definition I gave - and comes from beyond even the 11-D structure that the Imaginary Tree resides in. That could be what Qlipoth is trying to achieve, if the first definition is what Hoyo means to refer to, but I do have another idea. Three: HI3rd shows that the Sea of Quanta, the "rival" to the Imaginary Tree, has it's own monsters roaming within it, not to mention the machines known as the Sky People that collect energy for themselves. These could also be something that Qlipoth is trying to keep away.

[@davidschulz2636]

Qlipoth saw the honkai and celestia and said "nope not on my branch of the world tree stay out" which wouldn't even be too far fetched considering he is the first being in existance inside the HSR universe lol

[@IX-Of-Nihility]

Qlipoth is cool, I respect him

[@Maevix3142]

I thought you dont care about anything IX 🤔

[@IX-Of-Nihility]

Just bored 😴

[@FaiAstriel]

The Qlipoth Tree (Jewish Kabbalah) is the tree of death and it's counter part is the tree of life, the Sephiroth tree, so in any words... *_🎵Veni veni venias...🎵_*

[@Maevix3142]

The latin translation for Veni veni venias also seems to indicate or at least invite something to come, and qlipoth being the opposite of that indicates.. o god please dont come? Hahah, he must be spooked 😂

[@FaiAstriel]

@@Maevix3142 Dude doesn't want dis pear, can't really blame him

[@vinzvendivil1049]

Qlipoth is just the emperor making the webway

[@Maevix3142]

You know what, i dont know why I did not see that before.. Qlipoth is a big giant gold god thing thats building something and is one of the oldest in the universe.

[@Igraphi7335]

What if abundance create a tree as fillar which keep the balance between the worlds? As akivili we have a lot of choise to choose a paths. But truth is we lead path as destruction. And we know a destruction path was connected always with sad story or curse.

[@Maevix3142]

There is this theory or idea (or maybe its story) about how the imaginary tree balances things between energy and the sea of quanta but im not too familiar with HI3 to elaborate on it but maybe yaoshi is doing something similar

[@mysticlover-y1e]

Qlipoth in my opinion honestly sounds like a person who survived World War II by the way you describe them I have a bad habit of keep calling them he or she I'm confused by the Aeons sometimes

[@RePhantomz]

According to herta in her comment about aeon, qlipoth might not be the oldest aeon and this statement exist only due to IPC propaganda. You can read this in qlipoth sectionof aeon index in SU. This entry are mostly herta comment about the aeon.

[@patrickcarter2829]

Likewise. It's because of that I believe the order at which Aeons are shown in the Myriad trailer is the actual, chronological order of the Aeons -- youngest to oldest.

[@Maevix3142]

Yup some of the stuff i mentioned even about qlipoths followers are actually stuff herta mentioned and him being the oldest could likely be just propaganda. Herta herself speculates that there are likely aeons even before qlipoth 😁

[@shiberu_7s]

and that is where it all goes wrong since the seven day creation got revealed.

[@Luzhong_editz]

​@@patrickcarter2829so akivilli is the first aeon ?, I can kinda see how but you sure ?

[@bbybang8845]

What about oroboros is a Leviathan and a unsatisfied devourer of worlds and major threat and definitely more Dangerous than aha

[@Maevix3142]

I think its about unpredictability in this case, oroboros is definitely dangerous but its straightforward and just wants to eat stuff, though id love to see something more complex that relates to it being a leviathan. While Aha is just random chaos, he might decide to shower a planet with candy one moment and blow up a galaxy next. Both are dangerous just in different ways, personally I find something unpredictable 'scarier' but thats just me

[@NRT338]

A crack theory I've had for a bit now after the Belabog arc SPOILERS (Maybe) When Cocolia uses the move "The Creation Prelude" I get the idea of the aeon of The Creation and that's where stelleron comes from, but idk /shrug

[@Maevix3142]

You know with all the lore so far, its interesting that theres no mention of a creator being or primary aeon. Now maybe there just isnt one but speaking about creation kinda makes me wonder now if there was such a being alive way before 🤔

[@NRT338]

@@Maevix3142 big mystery it is

[@rogerthat9230]

5:16 Welt 💀

[@gold6836]

This is all part of his plan

[@Maevix3142]

Was that not welt? 😂

[@navidvarzeghani2789]

Was that aizen, Instead of welt?

[@tecno5695]

Maybe Qlipoth is really just like Trump and just wants to build a wall cause funny.

[@arnowisp6244]

Dude. He's the Amber Lord. When I read about the Aeon I thought of Trump.

[@aloywong658]

Qlipoth trump

[@heppelhopv2]

No aha would build a wall because funny

[@MbahtedjoOfficial]

Ok after new chapter from honkai impact 3 solar system get have Imaginary barier who trap everything from outside world and yeahh you know what i mean

[@BlueCHMA]

Zandar.. Also.. Said that.. Each leaf was more like a star system.. That is enclosed by Imaginary energy.. Meaning HSR universe.. Is the whole Imaginary tree.

[@JayceRustia]

KLAY-POT

[@ixywas]

1:10 trump is a qlipoth follower?

[@EpicDurian6964]

voracity is word you're looking for

[@ixywas]

@@EpicDurian6964 im so sad that he won, even tho i dont live in usa

[@ixywas]

@@EpicDurian6964 it was a wall joke, but you are right

[@EpicDurian6964]

@@ixywas he didn't win but the people of usa chose him. It is nothing to get sad over. If the people themselves want it, then there is nothing we should ponder over. This decision has been made. I hope everything doesn't go to hell in the world

[@ixywas]

@@EpicDurian6964 i understand, but im also emphathic to the lgbtq people and immegrants.