What is Split timeline theory?

for a while now to fill the unexplained void left by sonic forces (because of course its sonic forces) fans came up with the theory called split timeline, what is it? and does it work? well lets find out.
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[@Bananaboat.]

Its so weird how the concept of modern and classic sonic change from being from the past to becoming this complicated dimension stuff. I'm not sure whether to hate it or like it.

[@jaizzop3196]

I hate it lol

[@ultima_pilot2820]

I really hate so I just head cannon it away.

[@JM57-99]

Hate it, it should've stayed as little more than a design change

[@rorkeslayer3925]

I hate it, I really thought the idea of classic just being younger sonic was fitting and simple enough to pass

[@sboinkthelegday3892]

Time is a dimension. Tails is a scientist and sees a split version of himself ENTERING another timeline that he knows is not his expereince, so he calls it DIMENSION, accurately. He doesn't have this unga-bunga MCU fan FALSE conception of mistaking the English word, what Schroedinger tried to say with his cat metaphor. Or even Plato's cave. It's not elaborate at all, you're just so painstakingly room temp IQ smoothbrain that any wrinkle appears "complicated" in comparison. I could literally write the letters l and Ω on chart to explain it, and the SHAPE of Ω would make your eyes gloss over.

[@Fnaffan777]

2010’s writers: We don’t give a shit The writers this decade: We are so sorry

[@charmyzard]

"I should not have said that. I should not have said that."

[@AltKaxREAL]

Sonic stories somewhat matter now... and that's bit of a problem, it is so unfortunate of how many stuffs they need to change for things to begin making sense. i highly appreciate for them just now starting to respect the fans that care about said stories, but if the mess has already been made, it seems nearly impossible to fit a majority of these games into a cohesive journey from one to the next without bumping into a few plot holes along the way... then comes a few more plot holes... and _more,_ and *_more..._* i think you get it

[@Wingsoffayt]

@@AltKaxREALI feel that the story mattered for the 2000’s too, I feel like it was just during the 2010’s where the story was put way in the back

[@JadenFox9]

right

[@JadenFox9]

@@AltKaxREAL the 2010s stories still fit despite being horribly executed, at best, I think they retconned the whole Generations Alt Timeline of Generations, Mania, and Forces

[@biggiecheese2544]

In all fairness, EGGMAN could be the variable here. Modern Eggman abducted Classic specifically to help him with his plan (which makes no sense because Classic Eggman should be LESS smart???) But they had to choose what locations to rip from time, so Classic Eggman could have learned a lot more than Classic Sonic and Tails did

[@biggiecheese2544]

Also another plot hole is Tails not recognizing Green Hill because unless the Time Eater abducted Sonic 1 Sonic (which is IMPOSSIBLE because he knows Tails and can spindash) Tails would have had to been near by when Time Eater steals Green Hill so by default Modern Tails SHOULD HAVE RECOGNIZED GREEN HILL

[@dshaynietheawesome]

Now that is a plothole we never so much as find out how either eggman escaped white void

[@dshaynietheawesome]

Ehhh wibbily wobbly timey whimey

[@arzfan29]

​@@biggiecheese2544 hard to recognize a white void

[@rynobehnke8289]

​@@biggiecheese2544to be fair generations did early on play with the idea that eggman deleting the moments from time made it hard for the characters to recall them like how tails also couldn't quite put his finger on were the sense of familiarity was coming from in chemical plant .

[@litavbarer-kahana5509]

I think saying that classic Sonic is from another dimension is just another mistake with people not realizing the difference between timeline/continuity and dimensions. Same with Silver’s “Psychokinesis” which is supposed to be called “Telekinesis”.

[@33pandagamer]

Calling Silver's powers Psychokinesis is not incorrect. Since Psychokinesis means to move things with your mind, and that is what Silver's powers are. Calling his powers Psychokinesis also is more specific, since the word Telekinesis means to move things without directly touching them. So Telekinesis includes moving things with magic.

[@gogetathestrongestfusion]

@@33pandagamerhe can also makes weapons out of it throwing green projectiles and blades so it makes sense

[@NolanSmashing-zz5oq]

TBH I actually think that’s a joke because when Tails said “another dimension” he probably made a joke about the 2 dimensional plane that Classic Sonic’s games use

[@SparkNitr0]

Oh my God you genius.

[@markitoyoutuber]

Yeah!

[@TamsCake]

I doubt that

[@kowhaifan1249]

That would be funny if Eggman didn't also say it.

[@SparkNitr0]

@@kowhaifan1249 it's 10x more funny since the bossfight is in 2d

[@hattoripool1533]

I kinda wish Sega took advantage of what Sonic Generations implied and have Classic Sonic deal with stuff he wouldn’t have felt with until the modern games. Like I imagine his first encounter with Shadow will definitely be different because thanks to Generations he already knows of Shadow’s existence. What will his version of Sonic Adventure 2 look like? How will he handle say Solaris, Dark Gaia or even his first meeting with Blaze. I kind of want to see a story that takes place in the future of Classic Sonic’s well new future during his own Modern era where he’s now his own modern Sonic due to age. Would Emerl still be alive and possibly alongside General, how would Sonic Prime go, Would the storybook games still happen, what other new adventures unique to him would Classic Sonic go on, Would Shadow still be evil? This has so much potential if you ask me, there could be either good things or consequences due to Classic Sonic and Classic Tails learning about their futures

[@dshaynietheawesome]

Interesting take and i bet that would be a fascinating au Thing is classic sonic never found out about solaris or gaia in generations. Not to mention for meeting his future friends, if you met a group of people very briefly and hardly interacted with them how likely would you be to recognize them immediately when you meet them years later, and classic sonic may of not dwelled on things for very long when he got home, you know what sonic is like always running towards the next adventure.

[@gamejitzu]

I thought about this too, it's a perfect way to handle remakes. If they're from Classic Sonic's future experiences, Sega can use that to explain any controversial changes. His timeline just shakes things up

[@MikeArts-nl7my]

I thought the timeline was rewritten after gen’s that classic sonic learns the boos t and tries doing the air dash and everything continues normally

[@gltchyyboy7787]

@@MikeArts-nl7myone theory is that the weird air boost classic does at the end of gens could also be hinting at how he uses the elemental shields in Sonic 3, which is kinda cool imo. Though what you’re saying is probably correct

[@slateoffate9812]

I like to think there's 1.5 timelines between Modern and Classic Sonic. It's like Doctor Who, namely Out of Time, where the 10th Doctor doesn't remember the 4th Doctor's experiences until they happened during the story. So, Modern Sonic did experience Mania, but he also didn't because he and Classic Sonic were out of sync like the 10th and 4th Doctor.

[@alexthebluehermit]

Or it could be like dragon Ball with trunks

[@slateoffate9812]

@@alexthebluehermit Maybe, but I prefer mine.

[@alexthebluehermit]

@@slateoffate9812 understandable

[@Theover4000]

Y’all keeping conversation civil. Always nice to see.

[@andrewhall6479]

I’d like to offer a counterpoint: Mania and Sonic 4 take place in the same points in their respective timelines. They happen around the same event: Little Planet coming back around. The difference being that the Phantom Ruby existed in the Classic timeline, causing the change in plans.

[@Chapmike]

Then why doesn't Eggman remember the Phantom Ruby at all when he finds it outside his base in the official and canon Forces prequel comics? That only should prove they were going for the timeline split back then, but as usual they can't help themselves, and keep retconning retcons.

[@dshaynietheawesome]

Because we can’t change the fact when they came out in 2017 the official word from the higher ups was “from another dimension” without an attempt of consistency which was why it was changed back to make sense in 2022-present, mania, forces and it’s prequel comic’s are a relic of 2017 sonic team, And anyway you can always head canon him remembering it and just not being shown.

[@TrnskaDevelopmentTeam]

Neither Modern Sonic and Tails remember meeting their older doppelgangers from the future back when they were Classic Sonic and Tails. Let's just say they forgot their old adventures because they have thrilling adventures every day and that affects their mental health.

[@arzfan29]

​@@TrnskaDevelopmentTeam classic sonic clearly remembers generations in forces

[@Glitchy588Live]

​@trnskadevs15 idk tho, modern sonic and tails don't seem to have ANY sort of familiarity meeting the classic sonic and tails Their only sense of that was in old zones

[@alexthebluehermit]

​@@dshaynietheawesometheir wording fucked everything up they should have said timeline, ALTERNATE TIMELINE 😭

[@ShorTMan0787]

It was just a mistranslation. Forces is a mess in many ways and has more of those. The line "Tails just lost it" should be "Tails went missing". In japanese, they say "isekai" which can mean from another world or dimension. In this case, it meant "from another time".

[@waff64]

yeah but tails can just be hallucinating

[@waff64]

watch that shadow dude

[@algotkristoffersson15]

Changing the past with timetravel causes a new timeline to be created, so he is from the past AND from another dimension.

[@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778]

No way.... This whole time. The past 7 years of debating. Was all over a mistranslation. All the problems could have been avoided! ahhhh! This is exactly how the human covenant war started in the halo universe.

[@robertlupa8273]

Sonic being tortured however I'm pretty sure was a leftover from a previous draft of the script. I think the Japanese version doesn't have it, but the English one does. They both used to have this detail, I'm pretty sure.

[@MarioSonicBee]

Imo I feel like they shouldve gone with the split timeline theory. Making it so Classic Sonic is literally the same as Modern Sonic even after Gens and Forces is weird when theres so many plotholes. Now I dont want them to be like classic is a diffrent dimesion or something stupid, just that classic is indeed Sonic from the past but ever since Gens the timelime split so now the classic we see nowadays is in his own unique timeline, letting him be free without worrying about canon.

[@TakeshiInazuma]

It's not a theory. Unless people REALLY think Sonic went through Generations and Forces twice. That Classic met all of his friends before Sonic adventure.

[@toopienator]

​@@SSJacksWolfhow could he go through Gens before CD if he already met Classic Tails by the time Gens happened? We know CD is before Sonic 2 thanks to Origins.

[@hyper5925]

​@@TakeshiInazuma Yeah, he did, but Ian Flynn said that he does not remember any adventures he had in the future.

[@TakeshiInazuma]

@@hyper5925 o you're saying he met everybody and seen everything twice, and forgot!? They just got to keep it simple. The current Classic Sonic became an alternate timeline version due to getting pulled into the future.

[@hyper5925]

@@TakeshiInazuma Well, that is the Canon explanation. Superstars, Mania, Mania Plus and Mania Adventures were referenced in Tails Tube, so, it happend in the Canon Timeline. The Timeline split has been confirmed to be non Canon by Ilzuka and Flynn, so, Modern and Classic Sonic are the same Sonic. They are not from different universes or timelines. It's just one. Sonic met his friends and his future self, but he forgot everything. Every single second he passed in the future doesn't exist ins his mind anymore.

[@Retrblu]

Doctor who reference in the thumbnail spotted, nice

[@Vadim_Morozov]

Now, someone tell me what the hell is going on here.

[@Lord_No-brainer]

You noticed too?

[@gamelife218]

I HAVE BI-GERNATED

[@revya4294]

Best way I personally can see how this story even fits is there’s 3 timelines. Timeline A ends with 06 Timeline B continues pass 06 and ends with Generations Timeline C is mania sonic which was classic sonic from generation and now we’re just watching a modern sonic from a different dimension who met the classic sonic we know.

[@faeraluran9143]

honestly, I kinda wish they went for the timeline split idea. I feel like it gives the story some extra complexity, and I always found it fascinating to see how games/media manage to keep the timelines relevant in ways that not only involve them as a pieces to the major canon, but as individual, minor canonical stories as well.

[@thatoneguy4452]

A couple of things: One, in fiction, terms like alternate timeline and alternate dimension are used interchangeably. Your definition of timelines and dimensions aren't mutually exclusive and there's no reason why an alternate timeline couldn't be considered a separate dimension. Also, it is not Classic Sonic's knowledge of the future that caused the split in the timeline, it's Eggman messing with time. After all, modern Sonic and Tails do not remember the events of Generations from Classic Sonic and Tails' perspective, even though they would if they are the exact same. Secondly, that isn't the Q&A in which Iizuka confirmed the split timeline, it was a different one. He was specifically asked about the "another dimension" thing and while the Q&A gets a little muddled, you can hear Iizuka say "timelines" in English and his translator says something to the effect of "modern Sonic's history is the same, but Classic Sonic is his own thing." I believe Ian Flynn also said recently on his podcast that an alternate timeline was indeed the original intention going forward. Things like TailsTube and the Sonic Superstars interview are simply retcons and not proof that this concept never existed to begin with. Lastly, I want to point out that Classic Sonic is already a teenager. Modern redesigns are just that: redesigns. Sonic never went through a physical change from Classic to modern designs.

[@dshaynietheawesome]

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[@antunderexist692]

Didnt they retcon classic sonic's age to 11?

[@thatoneguy4452]

@@antunderexist692 Nope

[@jamesstreet2397]

Two timelines was debunked in a bumblekast episode by Ian flynn, tails on tails tube references they are still friends with trip, mighty and Ray, and other events from mania and superstars, so those games are part of modern Sonic's past.

[@thatoneguy4452]

@@jamesstreet2397 That's a retcon. It's clear the original intention was for it to be a split timeline.

[@azimuddin1890]

I think it would’ve made sense if Classic Sonic Classic Tails after Generations would cause another timeline where they have different adventures cause they have knowledge of characters they’re gonna meet, like Shadow. If Classic Sonic from Generations knew Shadow, and grew up to be Modern Sonic, he’d try to convince Shadow to be a good guy. He’d already know Cream in Advance 2, know Blaze and the Sol Emeralds in Ruse 1, ect ect. Events might have played out differently if he did free up as Modern Sonic. So personally I welcome separate or a new timeline branch while the Modern cast is unaffected.

[@iceman92211]

There are still some questions unanswered. If classic is younger sonic, then how old he is because otherwise Tails would have to be four years old and which makes no sense. And how did his eyes become green later on ? Because we have character like cream, who is very young, but still has a brown eyes. And if the classic games are canon, then why we haven’t seen any of the classic characters in the modern games ? Why doesn’t classic Sonic talk ? Tails and Eggman can talk with no problem but he can’t ?

[@dshaynietheawesome]

Because when they made sonic generations it was only so surface level They didn’t think anyone would think that deeply about it, and even so the characters never had a consistent solid age usually just the approximation of an age group thats why the removed the ages that were introduced in the adventure era, As for eye color thats because classic sonic and tails and eggman were designed at the beginning of the series Thats kind of the entire point of including them for the anniversary, as for classic sonic being mute your guess is as good as mine, just a strange design decision Characters didn’t talk in the classic games so that’s how he was depicted which doesn’t make sense since tails and eggman talk and Sonic could speak in sonic cd

[@shardsoftime0952]

Their age didn't change, it was just a redesign Classic super sonic tails and knuckles have the same eye color as their modern counterparts Just because we don't see them doesn't mean they don't exist, that is just dumb, mighty could have left the Chaotix, and fang might have retired or something Classic sonic not talking is a problem with generations, the intention was to be meta yet it created a big fat plot hole In conclusion, yes classic sonic and modern sonic are the same character

[@dshaynietheawesome]

@@shardsoftime0952 thank you very much and elaborating on that in early versions of sonic adventure they were going to use the classic designs, and the classic characters being younger was a retcon from sonic generations but its one i kinda like.

[@shardsoftime0952]

@@dshaynietheawesome i honestly dissagree, classic sonic being a child makes me mad tbh, i wish that they made it so in the mirror scene the sonics don't see any differences between them, making the redesign only a visual diference instead of a canonical one (outside of eggman and amy since they have different clothes) makes it more consistent in my opinion

[@dshaynietheawesome]

@shardsoftime0952 then that kinda defeats the purpose of sonic generations as a whole

[@SuperCeasar777]

That fact that sega Figured out a way to create two of the same character and then sell us both games without us being confused is pure genius

[@doubt2022]

Sonic lore is basically like FNaF lore. Both don't exist despite people in charge of the franchize insisting otherwise

[@mr_infinity6677]

Couldn't agree more 😂😂

[@sboinkthelegday3892]

You just need to learn what "exists" means. The lore of Thor certainly exists even when Marvel is allowed to make bootleg fanfiction and sell it, outside of any "canon". Which itself, "canon" literally comes from study of the bible that HAS HAD multiple retellings of the same gospels for two thousand years, so that's another word that you fail English class in. So who's "insisting" anything here? Creators, or you mob of fans who use these words like canon COMPLETELY wrong, while only telling each other that you're never wrong?

[@mr_infinity6677]

@sboinkthelegday3892 Bro, who cares, man 😂 Getting so tight over nothing, just let my guy say what he wants

[@onioncutterninja1535]

​​@@sboinkthelegday3892Hmmm idk man sounds like strawman's fallacy to me. What did any of these corrections even prove? you know exactly what they meant by saying the "the lore doesn't exist", nobody really ever means it when they say that, they usually just wanna make an exaggeration to say the lore is so inconsistent it might as well not exist. "But nooooo, let's isolate the word "exist" from the rest of the entire comment and beat it like a sandbag because I'm against people having opinions." Do you automatically dumb down everything other ppl say to feel better or is it manual? Also the rest of your comment is literally just getting mad over them not using the word "canon" in the comment, this is either proof you're an idiot or that you really *were* pretending to take what they said literally.

[@AscendedEmperor]

Atleast Fnaf doesn't have an identity crisis all because of one line

[@KiwiTheRetroGal]

Headcanon: Tails misspoke

[@TanicthePorcupine]

There is one glaring problem with the unified timeline - Why doesn't Sonic recognize any of the future friends he met in Generations? If he went to the future and met Shadow, why doesn't he already know who Shadow is when he appears in SA2? If Mania takes place in Modern Sonic's past, why do Sonic and Tails not already know what the Phantom Ruby is when it shows up in Forces? If Classic Sonic's perspective on Forces is part of Modern Sonic's past, why doesn't he known who Infinite is and know ahead of time Eggman is about to take over the world when he first encounters him? To me, One Timeline leaves more questions than answers. Two timelines leaves a few nitpicks, like why did Tails use the word "dimension" instead of "timeline?" And certainly, a split Classic timeline could lead to the same stories playing out later down the line, but it could also present opportunities for those stories to play out in different ways, or for entirely new stories to happen that would normally interfere with stories that would have happened later. I tend not to trust Iizuka or even writers like Flynn with these things, as they tend to flip-flop depending on circumstances like we saw with the Two Worlds Canon. I prefer to let the stories speak for themselves in most cases. In this particular case, I think the main reason they seem to have gone back and forth on this specific issue is that many fans interpreted the poorly-written "dimension" line as meaning that ALL Classic Sonic games, 1, 2, 3&K, etc., take place in an entirely different universe from ALL Modern Sonic games from 4 onward. That would understandably upset some folks, so instead of clarifying what they meant, SEGA overcompensated and did away with the concept entirely. Fun thing about interpretation, though, is that, if this never comes up in another canon story, I get to ignore them and continue believing what I want to believe. Split Timeline just makes more sense to me. Most folks seem more than willing to accept it for Zelda, and even Pokemon, I'm not sure why it's such a big issue for Sonic.

[@jamesstreet2397]

Two timelines was debunked in a bumblekast episode by Ian flynn, tails on tails tube references they are still friends with trip, mighty and Ray, and other events from mania and superstars, so those games are part of modern Sonic's past.

[@RealBroccoliHour]

Word

[@andymcmillan2193]

This is why the concept for my fan series was canceled.

[@MJGaming57_REAL]

I agree but the timeline theory just makes more sense. If they went with that, then they could make as many classic games and contradictions as they want without fans getting skeptical when there's like 20 classic games at some point. Not everything has to remain one universe that's why we have things like spider-verse. And don't even get me started on sonic prime.

[@jamesstreet2397]

Two timelines was debunked in a bumblekast episode by Ian flynn, tails on tails tube references they are still friends with trip, mighty and Ray, and other events from mania and superstars, so those games are part of modern Sonic's past.

[@lasercraft32]

All because of ONE line where they said ONE word wrong. Crazy.

[@HedgeRobo]

FINALLY! That line Tails said always bothered me. I used to think that for modern Sonic his timeline just started in Sonic Adventure and for Classic Sonic, Sonic 1 (bear in mind back in 2018 I was not as educated about Sonic despite being a fan). I am glad someone addressed this issue, but to be honest despite the timeline split I feel that Tails saying "from another world" in the Japanese version makes more sense than "from another Dimension" because another world feels like the timeline split created another world where events play differently, but not another dimension. It''s a bit complicated.

[@logic-dy1su]

No offense but it was no reason for this video as tails said the other dimensions can be timelines

[@noyz-anything]

personally i think the sonic fandom solved it with their OTHER explanation - namely, the "santiago" meme. while classic is obviously not a scandinavian terrorist in either appearance, i think the classic in forces is a fake sonic of some sort - a *phantom* if you will. and you all know which ruby is present during the events of forces forces sonic is "the same" as mania because the phantom ruby remembers what happened in mania and is essentially just replaying clips of sonic from back then. so he's basically a living sonic mania youtube poop

[@Maxiesnax]

3:54 I absolutely adore the way you showcased "dimensions" vs "timelines" by showing the video editing timeline in other editing programs to represent a flow of time in another dimension, while showing that the timelines can still be similar.

[@lonelyonionagain.]

Okay i genuinely liked the bit where you started zooming out to every editing software.

[@mattwosrandomgameplay]

The main reason Classic Sonic and Modern Sonic can't be the same person at two different points in time because they're both the same age. Sonic has always been 15. Even with Generations, Sonic did not age.

[@antunderexist692]

Didnt they retcon his age to 11?

[@jamesstreet2397]

Sega had officially dumped their ages overboard, why are fans still using that idea?

[@1ce867]

Classic sonic was 15 in sonic 3 and knuckles but reconed his design

[@GenghisConnThr333]

I don't know why so many fans had a hard time grasping this but Classic and Modern were supposed to take place in different continuities (which explains why they both have different art styles and lack characters that the other has) with the events of Sonic 1, CD, 2 and 3 happening in broad strokes in the Modern continuity. Timeline theory also makes sense because why would Classic Eggman repeat the exact same stuff he knew failed Sonic Generations? Why would Sonic, Tails, Knuckles and Eggman have no recollection of the Phantom Ruby? Where's Mighty and Ray been all this time?

[@paperprince2953]

Yeah, and I don't think this video really even understands this concept in the first place. There's alot more evidence in the source material itself to conclude the Classic Timeline is seperate to the Modern Timeline since in Origins, CD is supposed to take place before Sonic 2 LOL. When in the Modern timeline, it takes place after Sonic 3 and Knuckles. Not to mention, Classic is mute while Modern Sonic can speak (he can speak in Segasonic and etc.), he is literally equal to his Modern self as shown with Time Eater, Chaos and Egg Dragoon, the same Egg Dragoon who was fighting Werehog Sonic, who is equal to Generations and onwards Modern Sonic. It's pretty irrelevant for it to be "oh, well this wasn't supposed to be the intent!!" Well honeybuns, the official material overrides this. Conclusion: Classic Sonic is from a seperate dimension or world entirely from Modern, however he is a younger variation and comes from a variation of the past. EVERYTHING in the source material alludes to this so don't try to any smart business with me.

[@jamesstreet2397]

Two timelines was debunked in a bumblekast episode by Ian flynn, tails on tails tube references they are still friends with trip, mighty and Ray, and other events from mania and superstars, so those games are part of modern Sonic's past.

[@GenghisConnThr333]

@@jamesstreet2397 That's dumb.

[@paperprince2953]

@@jamesstreet2397 Ian was asked about the Sonic canon and has already admitted in Bumblekast that he wasn't qualified to give a definitive statement on what is canonical. Ian Flynn had made it quick to clarify their show was not sponsored by SEGA (although doesn't mean we can't use his statement for other purposes outside of "canonicity". Tailstube was never really reliable to begin with, assuming that you use the argument about "Superstars and Mania footage and art was shown", Sonic the Fighters clips were also shown which couldn't possibly happen in the Classic Dimension given in IDW, it's confirmed that there were never 8 Emeralds and Fighters never would have even happened (As confirmed by Sonic himself in the comic). Origins also contradicts what was established with Sonic 4 given how Sonic CD takes between Sonic3&K and Sonic 4. And there really isn't evidence to suggest Tailstube is even canon in the first place, all it has is contradictions saying it isn't.

[@PluckyInc]

honestly, my idea of Classic Sonic existing can be explained by the events of Sonic Generations; basically the old design of Classic Sonic is modern sonic in his younger years. but they can justify the Mania Sonic being the result of generations. so the timeline is a puddle. the Mania universe essentially has characters that exist within the modern universe, and possibly could take aspects from pieces of media SEGA no longer considers canon. So Main Sonic has never met Fang the Hunter, thus the events of Sonic Drift, Fighters and Chaotix never occured. however Mania Sonic became something of a classical NSMB universe, such as taking elements from Origins such as Classic Amy's moveset and possibly Ray/Mighty's characterization from Segasonic the Hedgehog and Chaotix (for Knuckles), though it doesn't mean Origins ties into Superstars. i'm a little curious if the plot of Shadow x Sonic generations would have Black Doom realize that he's an echo of time and has read Shadow's mind (due to being part black arms). also, Classic Robotnik/Eggman would have to had found a way out of time like his modern counterpart. Also phantom ruby usage probably pulled infinite potential from other realities as a reference, like Metal Sonic's new form in Mania Plus. devs did mention that Bean/Bark/Fang in Mania was stated to be the real deal when shooting your plane down, but the heavy magician just simply assumed their forms during the boss fight. probably shook that reality's timeline by now. heck, classic eggman probably got ideas/knowledge from his modern counterpart. Sonic the Fighters though? i can't see that happening in a Mania/Superstars universe, since they'd have to explain things like the extra chaos emeralds and also Espio. definitely assuming the Chaotix (outside of Mighty) are considered off limits and covered in shadow to maintain brand consistency. shame they'd probably absolutely would not go with the obtaining knowedge viewpoint for classic eggman; i don't think eggman was aware of Metal Sonic's abilities fully until stuff like Heroes and Colors Ultimate. not the ability to utilize energy (since even Mecha Sonic could use the master emerald in 3), but more like utilizing wisp energy (Colors Ultimate) and scanning bio information during Heroes. So i could totally see a classic eggman impeding on metal, or at least keep a tighter leash over him to prevent a betrayal arc.

[@Kazuo1G]

Already pulling the references from Modern Doctor Who, huh? XD

[@DanielT.HproductionsYT]

I think tails said classic sonic was from another dimension cause he was so fed up with stress of Sonic’s loss and focus on fixing omega that he couldn’t think properly

[@DanielT.HproductionsYT]

Or also it could be from another world because classic sonic from forces didnt know the homing attack while generations classic sonic did

[@jaxon7514]

Fantastic video. I love the detail about the issue and clarification around it. Side Note: For your chart, Silver's future isn't unknown because of the IDW Comics which are canon to the continuity. It's in the Metal Virus Saga

[@dshaynietheawesome]

I was being unspecific we know very little about it but we know it’s there and it’s nothing like crisis city

[@Gamecliparchives]

If you think about it if in Sonic Forces Modern and Classic are the same person, Sonic could have stopped Eggman from taking over with the knowledge

[@fatalwaffle1715]

Awesome Video Bro!

[@SnaksiXD]

7:08 The question was again asked in a way that led the answer to be about the Split Timeline Theory in the following year's SXSW panel, the one where they also had a guy asking about a crossover between The Joker and Sonic The Hedgehog.

[@totallybr4409]

Yknow, not only is there the chaos caused by Forces, there is also that also that thing that i like to call The Eggman Nega Paradox, which is also that old discussion of "Silver and Blaze are from where?" Both from 06? Rivals and Rush respectively? What about the Blaze that sealed herself with Iblis? She wasnt technically erased from 06's time reset. If both are from Rivals and Rush then there cant be two Eggman Negas because that would cause a singularity wouldnt it? This is just another facet of the weird timeline stuff and dimensional bs the Sonic franchise has that i thought was worth sharing

[@aidanhammans9337]

Well, Eggman Nega is the one person and lied that he was a Sol counterpart. Sure, doesn’t explain how Blaze got to the future, but that physically can’t be explained logically.

[@33pandagamer]

@@aidanhammans9337 , I like this one theory that the Soul Emeralds can travel through space and time. And that they tend to take Blaze to places that they think she needs to go to.

[@antunderexist692]

@@33pandagamer Well, Sol Emeralds are counterparts of Chaos emeralds so i think they can time travel just like chaos emeralds.

[@evdestroy5304]

A dimension is simply a measurement of space, a plane of existence as you will. An alternate timeline 100% counts as an alternate dimension, it is a unique plane of existence that exists seperately from the main one. It's no different from how Blaze has her own dimension with locales very similar to Sonic's yet they are not the same. Many of those things you just associated with being from multidimensional stories happen in alternate timelines. Alternate Sonic with alternate versions of all of his locations and locales. Superstars does not take place in the alternate dimension, it takes place in-between 3K and Adventure 1, they (and more specifically Ian Flynn) have ditched the Classic dimension because clearly it confuses people such as yourself (admittedly the fault of Forces not elaborating on the concept whatsoever).

[@Oceane1803]

I think that Classic Sonic can be from another dimension, as the "real" Classic Sonic, the one that we see in the Classic games, is 16, has an attitude, a dark blue fur color, and can talk (even if we don't see him doing it often in the games). Meanwhile, this Classic Sonic is light blue, has a wide-eyed personality, doesn't talk, and is significantly younger. So he might be a different Classic Sonic from the one in the classic games, Modern Sonic's past self.

[@BoyleVoices]

Eggman Nega is from another dimension in the Rush series, yet he’s from the future in the Rivals series. Seeing as how they have been consistent with their inconsistencies, it almost feels intentional. I believe in the split timeline. It’d be cool if they go into how all of this is happening, maybe involve Little Planet and the Time Stones?

[@greenstarlover1]

Same with Blaze with Sonic Rush and 06.

[@BoyleVoices]

@@greenstarlover1 💯 Exactly.

[@JonnySpec]

I think there's also contradictions between Sonic Battle and Shadow the Hedgehog, which is why for some time I thought the timeline split after Sonic Heroes.

[@RealBroccoliHour]

Sonic Forces’ story is secretly genius confirmed? 🤔

[@Num1MarioFan]

3:17 nice to see whovians everywhere.

[@MrScaryPasta]

Let’s all agree: We don’t talk about Sonic Forces. We don’t acknowledge it. It doens’t exist.

[@MadelineJS.2727]

And that's how Mr. Infinite lives messed up the entire franchise chronology

[@isthisthingoH_NO]

3:16 DOCTOR WHO REFERENCE LET'S F_CKING GOOOOOOO

[@liznyaga3918]

from what I understand,Its kind of a''different dimention and timeline at the same time''

[@thebrickbros.1294]

I have 2 theories about classic sonic. One is everything is normal until after sonic 3 before sonic mania where classic sonic goes to the future in sonic generations and remembers everything after leaving and instead of practicing the air boost modern sonic was teaching him, he formed in into the dropdash to use in sonic mania. The other is that the classic sonic from sonic generations was transported to sonic generations after sonic one and when coming back he immediately goes into his adventure on little planet in sonic cd and the time stones erased the memory of sonic generations and replaces them with visions of the future, specifically Amy tails and knuckles, which is why he goes to west side island immediately after. But that’s just a theory, a game theory. (Thanks for the iconic line matpat)

[@comicfan1324]

To be fair, I can totally see why people would believe in a split timeline. After all, it would be weird if classic sonic, new characters, like shadow, silver, and blaze exist, but then wouldn’t recognize them years later. And of course it would be strange that Eggman wouldn’t recognize the phantom Ruby enforces if he had already gone through the event of mania. Also, although I agree that dimensions can often be vastly different than the “main” universe, there’s also been cases infection, where a universe is created because of a split timeline. Just look at DC comics handles the Multiverse. Some universes are split off of decisions people make, while others are simply universes that work differently. Who to say the sonic Multiverse in Sonic’s franchise doesn’t work off of the same logic. Alternatively, the simplest explanation is that when tails said “you’re that sonic from another dimension” he could’ve just been referring to white space

[@Stickboy321Go]

0:44 sonic 4? Never heard of it! I hope it’s a good game with great physics.

[@azimuddin1890]

I mean it’s Sonic.T.H.4 after all, a sequel to an amazing Sonic game, Sonic.T.H.3&K, which had multiple playable characters with each having their own twist, expansive levels, fun Special Stages, amazing art style that is consistent yet improves on the previous three Sonic games (1, C.D, and 2), amazing soundtrack, amazing story, and multiple save slots! I think Sonic.T.H.4 just needs to look at and understand what makes that game so amazing and add on to it. Hopefully Sega doesn’t make Dimps turn a 2.D side scroller mobile game into the sequel, that’d be a terrible move.

[@Stickboy321Go]

@@azimuddin1890 I honestly secretly liked sonic 4 but I only hated it to fit in the fanbase but it was said that sonic 4 was actually not meant to be a sequel to sonic 3 It was said it was meant to be a sequel to sonic CD but honestly I kinda want a true sequel to Sonic CD

[@azimuddin1890]

@@Stickboy321Go I like 4 Episode 2, but there’s so little to go back to that game, and a lot the game already has that needed to be improved. - Making the physics better than 3&K - Give Sonic his Insta-Shield and Super Banana Peel-Out. - Make Tails playable in single player - Give him a proper Super form - Add more playable characters like Knuckles, Mighty, Amy, and Ray. - Make the Green Shield deflect projectiles - Being back Elemental Shields. - Expand the level design - Add six more zones - Make new Special Stages - Remove the cutscenes for each boss after completing the game because they drag out the battles. - Add a better final boss - Improve the soundtrack to sound more like how CD’s soundtrack sounded like. - Collecting Red Rings throughout each stage should give rewards. - If they’d do that, then add four more Red Rings for each level. See, there’s a lot that they needed and should’ve added in to make it more re-playable.

[@Dyundu]

When dealing with any story element from anything that has gone through a translation process, always, _always,_ ask what the original text said in the language. Sometimes translators and localizers get things wrong, and that can completely upend the understanding of intended canon. Check to see the OG meaning behind “other dimension” and determine if nuance or definition was lost or changed. This PSA brought to the Sonic Fandom, with love, from the Zelda Fan Community, who is totally not in flames right now because of how poorly NoA handled Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom 😅

[@mattwosrandomgameplay]

3:35 "Or sometimes referered to as another universe" Uh, dimension is a geometric term. Not a single official dictionary acknowledges the rampant misuse of it being a nebulous space-related term. It's not even always referring to alternate universes. It could also be higher planes of existence like DC's "Fifth dimension" where Mxyzptlk and Bat-Mite come from and "pocket dimensions" aren't really universes in a traditional sense.

[@Catohat52]

0:08 the GOAT

[@hyper5925]

Ian Flynn used a concept in the Archie Comics to explain this confusion. From what he said, Classic Sonic forgot his adventures with Modern Sonic, so, he does not remember the events of Sonic Generations and Sonic Forces. That would explain why Sonic said "I can't believe there is two of me" in Sonic Generations, and why Sonic doesn't know the Modern Characters when they first met.

[@redpanda4818]

So if Sonic comes from the past (Sonic Mania) to the future (Sonic Forces) with the help of the Phantom Ruby, that means that the Ruby has the power to time travel. But this is not used in Forces to stop the war, or in the IDW Comics by Dr. Starline. It is only used for teleportation, and a few other minor uses. So, maybe to not mess up Sonic Forces' storyline, they said that "Classic Sonic came from another dimension" because they meant for the Ruby to only have dimension manipulating powers, not time powers.

[@gltchyyboy7787]

Tbf I think it was the phantom ruby reacting to the chaos emeralds that caused it to send classic sonic to forces

[@redpanda4818]

@@gltchyyboy7787 Now that you mention it, I think you are right

[@LJ_973]

What I think happened was something similar to what we see in Marvel’s What if series. Where it’s stated all multiverses come from one original timeline, but each split in the timeline after a certain amount of time becomes so different from the original that they just call it a different universe. So there was Sonic’s normal timeline, and then as soon as classic sonic appeared in generations and then him tails and Eggman went back, stuff was changed because of their new knowledge and then Mania and Superstars happened. The adventure games and games afterwards could still happen in classics timeline, just the exact events that play out could be quite different.

[@YaPalSpeedy]

Hey......YOUR THAT KZbinR FROM ANOTHER DIMESION!

[@dshaynietheawesome]

Uh oh

[@YaPalSpeedy]

​@@dshaynietheawesome AND THE PERSON WHO FILMED THE BAD ENDING OF SONIC CD!

[@Sonic_The_Cool.]

I don’t why but I love hearing people talk about the sonic 06 timeline

[@Blazedeath597]

Get dshaynie to a million subscribers! :D

[@CauaFriendsOficial]

TailsTube #4 confirmed Classic is Sonic from the past. Done.

[@andreadrabik635]

I agree with this theory, also, Sonic Forces isn’t a bad game.

[@Tulf42]

On trivial notes for this video, I like the thumbnail artwork taking inspiration from the recent introduction of Bi-generation from Doctor Who, but the music volume in the video just needs turning down a little as it was sometimes difficult to hear your voice over it. Other than that, I enjoyed your attempt to piece together the situation of whether there is one Classic Sonic or more.

[@dshaynietheawesome]

When making thumbnails i try to make Something visual that’s relevant to the video topic And I just kept thinking of the bigeneraton I couldn’t help myself it couldn’t be anything else. As for the audio it’s been a recurring issue over the past few years, before i render out a video i always play back and listen to make sure everything is audible and clear, once it’s on KZbin I listen again with headphones before publishing And it usually seems fine to me but i still get handfuls of comments telling me the music is too loud compared to my voice which is insane because i always keep the music super low So im not sure why this is an issue for some people

[@Tulf42]

@@dshaynietheawesome Of course, and it helps with topics like bigeneration still being in the trend that makes them more eye-catching. I'm the same when I made videos on my channel. It always surprises me how much I have to reduce the volume for any music when putting all of the audio together.

[@sonicpower1750]

nice vid

[@arzfan29]

Modern sonic doesn't remember generations ftom his past, so it never happened to him, the events of all the classic games before then are in bith timelines, but after generations there's a new timelime where sonic did experience generations when younger, they make it pretty clear when they still call the classic games events from the past after forces

[@jamesstreet2397]

Two timelines was debunked in a bumblekast episode by Ian flynn, tails on tails tube references they are still friends with trip, mighty and Ray, and other events from mania and superstars, so those games are part of modern Sonic's past.

[@59orJimmy]

Remember, in a previous cutscene, Amy (I think) said that Tails had gone crazy after Sonics disappearance

[@dialgahappy5968]

Lets just say that tails didnt realise he said that XD

[@johnhayden4226]

It makes sense to me. Let's say you have never met your future self in 2004 and lived your life normally. 20 years later, you bulid a time machine and went back to 2004 and met your past self. The fact that you went back in time to 2004 and met your past self drastically changed the future for your then past, now alternate younger self. You created a new timeline, where past you lives a completely different life due to your interaction. But it actually changed the sec you stepped into 2004, because there shouldn't be 2 you's existing at the same time.

[@swipeslogjack_tgaming9472]

My understanding was that gens classic went on to lost world on account of featuring abilities he picked up in gens, like the homing attack and boost (while super), went on then to have his own generations, where eggman, deciding he knows better, messes with space, not time, thus the drop-dashing, sky-blue "modern-classic" sonic from another dimension.

[@AlexanTheMan]

When it comes to Sonic canon I believe Tony Harnell said it best when he sung "It Doesn't Matter".

[@bowmaj8666]

I feel like this whole rigmarole only came about because of how much certain "fans" wanted a game that was not only a "true sequel" to Sonic 3&K, but also one that basically served as a giant retcon of every Sonic game from Sonic Adventure onwards. And basically threw the mother of all hissy fits when Sonic 4 wasn't that game. So the poor people at Sega are desperately trying to keep everyone happy and think that they need to make Sonic's older design and his newer design completely different characters, and they think that they need to keep them as separate as they possibly can. I personally don't agree with this because 1: it's incredibly petty ("waahh, I don't want that stinky green eyed Sonic!") And 2: it's just setting unnecessary limitations on these games.

[@Poyostar]

Yeah, this was honestly a really stupid change. I'm really glad they're well on their way to course correcting many of these kinds of things through stuff like TailsTube. Great video!

[@ANDROS2040]

I'd like to propose an infinite loop theory (not sure if anyone has..) Similar to split timeline BUT it can accommodate Both classic sonics being the same, AND Mania/Superstars being same timeline while still being from another dimension: Imagine Sonic Generations starts an infinite cycle. Sonic plays out his adventures throughout the games Sonic, Tails and Eggman meet their past versions thanks to the time eater All 3 of them learn things about the future, which slightly changes the timeline. But the new timeline stays similar enough that most of the games still play out pretty much the same until we reach generations. However, the original modern Tails, is aware that the knowledge from generations would create a new timeline. And this new timeline CAN be considered another dimension because you can't just travel straight into those new events with linear time travel, there HAS to be SOME space travel to it as well. I'm sure you've seen stories where there are an infinite number of dimensions in existence with slight variations based on every single decision you make. Thus, Tails knew after generations, they'd go from being past selves to being other-dimension selves MEANWHILE, the new timeline still ends up being almost identical until reaching generations again, and the new timeline's (now older) sonic tells his past version the same thing the original modern told him. And this just created an infinite cycle of modern sonics telling past sonics things which is knowledge they keep until the events of generations repeat themselves in the new timeline Now,who says us playing generations was the first time this loop happened, for all we know, this could be the 100th time for all we know. So perhaps mania and superstars ARE the products of future knowledge, but still happened before the sonic adventure we played. Because our timeline is just part of an infinite number of timelines that all use future knowledge. If what I'm saying is true, it would make it possible for superstars and mania to simultaneously be products of a new timeline AND events before the main timeline's Sonic adventure. While also allowing classic sonic to be both a past version and other dimension version while still being the same entity. All fan theories and sega confirmations and game dialogues would be true

[@scoutamogussussybussy12934]

what if, classic sonic in forces was replaced with santiago, maybe thats why tails says that "he" is from a different dimension.

[@EchoPixel01]

Fun Fact: Storybook games are also canon. Sonic makes a nod to Secret Rings in Generations in the post CPZ Act 2 cutscene, where he says, "No stranger than rescuing genies in magic books or saving aliens in an interstellar amusement park." ...I can't stop thinking about this.

[@FadhilIMP5530_Real]

English version only implies Secret Rings to be Canon, but the Japanese confirm both of them

[@mspaint-hd7qf]

Think it’s easier to say that tails got it mixed up😢

[@JusticeSolaris85]

Maybe Classic Sonic can rembember Generations only when he goes to the future, while he is in his time everything that has happened in the future can be considered a sort of dream

[@HyperShan3]

I always assumed that both Sonics run paralell ever since the Time Eater event. Considering that the Time Eater can take stages from dead timelines (Crisis Ciy), it can go to any time, space & dimension as it pleases. If Gens Classic was the exact same as Modern, then we would have seen the events of that game happen in Sonic 1 &/or that Modern Sonic would've remembered the events play out. It's like an infinite timeline theory, where any action or non-action can create a new timeline. Let's say there are 2 timelines running parallel from the start of Sonic 1, Timelines "A" & "B" - Everything is normal as Sonic runs through Green Hill, but then there's a choice to pick from 3 routes; High path, middle path, & low path (this is where the hypothetical timeline splits). Timeline "A" Sonic picks the High path & gets to the goal as usual. Timeline "B" Sonic picks the Middle Path & gets to the end just as well (& I guess a Timeline "C" Sonic could pick the bottom path, but ends up on spikes & Eggman wins lol). Both Timeline Sonics take different route but the outcome is still the same, aside from shaving off a couple seconds. However, the Time Eater happens to pick that 2nd timeline & shows up to snatch the young hedgehog, whilst Timeline "A" Sonic will carry on with the adventures as we know it. To me that seems pretty straight forword until we get to Tails' & Egmman's comment. At first, I thought it seemed a little off. Though the more I thought about it, travelling through time & space is kinda like dimension hopping, coupled with the fact that it was the smartest characters would know that time altering events will birth alternate universes/dimensions/reality (at least that's how I view it). So I guess to clarify, I see it as this - Classic in Gens was simply Sonic from the Past (on a parallel timeline), Forces Classic is an Alternate Past after the events of the Time Eater (thus being dubbed Sonic from another dimension, a split dimension).

[@the120cxx]

Ive been making sonic timelines for years, and yes, this whole timeline split thing was a massive pain since then it calls into questions what games be in what timeline since some interviews said certian games like knuckles chaotix wasnt canon since the version of the chaotix from heroes onward was a reboot of them essentially... Only for mighty to appear in mania alone with some elements from the 32x game as well so its like... "Is chaotix on 32x exclelusive to the mania timeline?" And the game gear games being kinda on the fence in that regard as well since stuff from those are also in mania. Needless to say, that (along with the 2 planets thing to explain when humans show up or not, despite how much more plotholes ot creates innthe process) was just more of a jumbled mess than it had any right to be. They trying to set the record straight now but man i could do a whole video series on trying to piece together all of this now even if we just doing one timeline again. And even then 06 would still need to be its own freaking timeline because of the blue emerald bootstrap paradox breaking everything. I swear this series is a practice in frustration...

[@Gator159]

I love classic Sonic, I love your videos, thank you for going through all this work for a subject I genuinely would never care about otherwise considering I never invested into the Sonic games after Sonic 3 & Knuckles

[@dshaynietheawesome]

That is my job: Over explaining pointless topics to entertain people

[@CHCartoons]

I have a theory: In my terms, a dimension is a branch of a universe. Think of the universe as a tree in a forest. The other trees are other universes. Every branch is an alternate dimension, but specific to that “tree”. Every branch is at a different state in time, but they are all in the technical “present”. What if Gen C. Sonic is from the original tree, the 1st and main universe of Sonic, our Modern Sonic of today, but he is simply another branch of the tree to represent how he is still the same Sonic but set in a different time. Our past is his present. The Mania and Forces C. Sonic is on another branch, but not the branch of Gen C. Sonic. Therefore, this could prove that M and F Classic Sonic is both set in another dimension and from the past. This would mean that he is also still the same Modern Sonic but in another dimension and timeline, entirely. Timelines are as how he explained it. A series of events. A timeframe is a part of a timeline.

[@Gaboxf]

The problem with the first explanation is that you are using your own (and other sources) term for a timeline and a dimension, you need to remember that if a series says that they are traveling to other timelines but in reality those are dimensions or universes, they are timelines in that series. Also, you used the example of Rick and Morty, where they use dimension and timeline interchangeably. Moreover, little changes in a timeline can create other dimensions and universes in different media, like marvel. Besides that, I agree with most of this, It can easily be one timeline that just felt a little confusing after using the wrong terms and adding more games to the classic era.

[@collinwasnthere]

when modern meets classic in forces he says hi to him for the first time in ages and classic remembers him

[@SubaruYT]

To me I like to think that Classic Sonic is younger sonic, but because of the events of Generations, Forces and Mania, is now a alternative younger sonic that has a different flow of Time (As we see in Mania) meaning that there will be the somewhat same events happening back in the original games but will have slight changes.

[@henry1312]

What if the Split timeline was the friends we made along the way

[@midnightmoonwolf7306]

The most funny thing is, is the thumbnail of the video It’s both classic sonic and modern classic sonic bi-generating

[@dshaynietheawesome]

Sonic mania came out after generations which one is modern classic sonic

[@kongthornton780]

What about the phantom ruby, Forces Sonic acts confused about it and its power

[@dshaynietheawesome]

Because forces came out in 2017

[@mattwosrandomgameplay]

2:57 To be fair, the multiverse model is practically the same thing as the branching time stream model. The only real difference is one is related to space and the other time. Ben 10 Omniverse even specifically uses the branching time stream model

[@chaoschannel3428]

The term "dimension" can still be used interchangeably with "timeline" in this case, given one of the definitions of "dimension" being another realm that's similar but separate and not connected. The problem is you're thinking of time linearly, thinking Mania-verse is just a split timeline moving forwards from wherever in the original timeline Classic was ripped from. However the very action of being placed back to his original time would create this new timeline that spans forwards (obviously) AND backwards. Essentially making two parallel timelines with exactly the same history up to the point of Classic getting snatched up. Seeing as the new timeline of the Mania-verese would have events drastically different from the event of the Classic era of the regular verese we know, said differences (along with the afformentioned copy of the history of the original timeline) would make it different enough AND technically separate to be considered another dimension. As for Tails referring Classic as being from another dimension as opposed to the past, Tails is smart. He saw Classic go back to his timeline, and there's a good chnace he knows or at least hypothesizes how time travel works in the universe, so would know for a fact (much like the audience) the Classic Sonic and by extension Classic Robotnik would do things differently and end up creating the new branch timeline.

[@Fox_Tails38]

Nice🙂

[@SparklingJam]

I always thought of it as the dbz timeline as classic’s timeline were affected by the events of generations and if this never happened class I would go through adventure as history originally intended

[@OmegaDrive987]

My headcanon is that Modern Eggman building Time Eater caused an alternate timeline to begin. It starts out the same, all be it a little altered (the placement of some games are moved around). Then the timeline goes normal, except that Classic's will be probably have him stay Classic Sonic. I feel like him staying Classic would better because that way, if they want to make more Classic Sonic games, they don't have to say, "Oh, this game takes place between SA1 and the last" every time.

[@originalname1008]

Man this theory is the only way to make it make sense. Especially since modern sonic never experienced the events of mania. I'm just gonna take this as them not understanding the differences between alternate timelines and alternate dimensions. It doesn't make sense for modern sonic to have experienced mania cus then wouldn't he have past recollection of the events in forces since he was transported there at the end of the game? And if that didn't happen in modern sonics timeline but the core events of mania did then that would still make it an alternate timeline.

[@dshaynietheawesome]

There is no reason to think he has never experienced mania infact its possible mania may be referenced at some point if recent media has anything to say about it

[@ewdproductions]

I havent finished the video yet so if he says something abt this later sorry But a different universe is created when atleast one thing different happens from our own timeline if you were to spilt the timeline it would make a while new reality as a branch from the original

[@SonZackSSJ9k]

I just believe this is multiverse theory, I mean it’s like that Time Travels concept that was altered due to the events of Sonic 06 thus altering the concept of time travel and making it multiverse theory. I mean it’s very likely that there is 2 Classic Sonic’s, one from modern Sonic’s past and the other is from another timeline that was made after Sonic Generations. Modern Sonic didn’t experience Sonic Mania where the same Classic Sonic from Generations did, and both experienced Superstars likely differently as well like Mighty and Ray might’ve been involved in the Classic Universe of Superstars. And Dimensions are also called timelines sometimes depending on how you view it, I mean in DBZ, Trunks’ Timeline was called another dimension after Cell caused a time split 3 timelines in a row.

[@jamesstreet2397]

Two timelines was debunked in a bumblekast episode by Ian flynn, tails on tails tube references they are still friends with trip, mighty and Ray, and other events from mania and superstars, so those games are part of modern Sonic's past.

[@SonZackSSJ9k]

@@jamesstreet2397 That just means both Timelines had Super Stars, Mighty and Ray appeared before Sonic Mania did canonically.

[@CorviKid999]

Maybe that "other dimension" was the hub world of Sonic Generations? Since that's where Tails knows him from, it would make sense to connect Classic Sonic back to that other dimension, as Tails would probably assume that Classic is from said dimension.

[@Geekoraphic]

my theory is that all universes or dimensions come from a timeline split whether or not it is identifiable or not. and even if the difference is a subtle contradiction through dimensions, there could always be a (or Multiple) split(s) of events that caused one of them to be that way

[@toeisonic10]

Well my theory is that Tails calculated wrong

[@stargazer-elite]

I think it’s safe to say that there could just be a force that is fixing their memories such as the phantom Ruby and that might be why the timeline is so confusing and if that’s just my head canon then OK, but it would be a simple solution if they just said that lol that way the timeline basically fixes itself there have been similar stories like this in media, such as just a random example the book the Anubis Gates a timeline that self corrects

[@liekkianimaatio3652]

I can't believe Sonic bigenerated

[@mynameiscaz]

if that’s the case i like to think mania and superstars happen after sonic 3 (unless you count sonic 4) if they are canon and happen “before sonic adventure” i like to think modern sonic just doesn’t talk about the experiences that happened in mania or superstars but this implies he did in fact do it. none of it makes sense but that’s the best we can make out of it if modern sonic remembers most of these events at all

[@Lightning-ig2do]

The reason I think there's a timeline split is because when Classic Sonic is brought into the future, goes on his adventure with Modern Sonic, and gets sent back, he should have knowledge of what's about to happen in Adventure, Adventure 2, Heroes, 06, Unleashed, and Colors, but he doesn't appear to. When you play those games, Sonic shows no knowledge of what's about to happen in those games, because he's experiencing them for the first time.

[@inkchariot6147]

It would make sense that the timeline splits after Generations. If you met with your future self and went through every pivotal moment of your life that hasn't happened yet, wouldn't it leave an effect on you? Wouldn't it leave an effect on the whole timeline going forward? (The "another dimension" line is just yet another fuck-up from everyone's favorite Sonic writers)