What is the best EGO? [Limbus Company]

[@ultranumhere]

Btw, Blind Obsession would be 2nd on the Support list, but I didn't want to include it twice.

[@theguyjoshua7352]

also pursuance mersault heal by % of allies hp not his hp,rodion pursuance heal 25% of her hp also: mersault heal hp to the allies with the least hp% while rodion heal allies with the least hp

[@wildfire_]

@@theguyjoshua7352 rodion's would be generally better by merit of healing then. generally, a character with less hp is more likely to die, but a character can have lower percentage while still having more hp than other allies and thus less likely to die. it scaling off of her own stats means you can run a tanky rodion to heal an ally for big number, whereas mersault can still end up healing a character for peanuts if they have low max hp.

[@borger8045]

idk about you, but hitting obscenely high damage numbers with everlasting isnt actually that hard, i've gotten much higher damage with this thing total than i've ever gotten with any other single target ego and i've done it consistently (outside of mirror dungeon as well) it might not be able to consistantly achieve max damage but on average it's still stupid strong

[@ultranumhere]

I mean, the damage it goes up to outside of MD is usually still lower than DS Outis and Contempt Awe. Also I thought it's not exactly fair to the other egos to effectively compare the combo of Cavernous Wailing + Everlasting against them alone.

[@nabcszy3329]

​​@@ultranumhereI think getting full potential from DS outis is even harder since W outis charge gain is not very great and you cant really spam it because charge

[@lighting0b450]

​@@ultranumhere While I'm burning a bit from the fact that C,A.R. got a first place somewhere and it does look reasonable, as an idea, what would be the best EGO combo? (Probably would be heaviily leaning towards MD, but, eh)

[@2265Hello]

Honestly its more so acheiving the set up that is the “difficult part” in a timely manner and even when rng is not on your side its not that hard especially thanks to LCCB ishmael’s S2. And with Everlasting providing 10 potency and count. Its damage potential while nothing too crazy is still alot and often enough to finish a boss. Which imo is what tremor teams are good at when fighting outside of MD

[@DongbaekEGOSpicebush]

Not considering sunshower at all for damage is crazy. The base form is a self sanity refunding 7 attack weight that gets at minimum 20% bonus damage and at maximum 40% sloth damage and 30% bonus from spicebush Meanwhile corroding with it ramps up the damage the more skill slots yi sang ends up with, getting at most a 120% sloth damage boost and 12 sloth power uo for three turns including the one its used on, along with the sloth and pierce fragility also being on the same and next turn. The base form is a some what consistent damage spam ego and the corrosion is an absolute beast if you make use of its damage mods, or willingly corrode with it on solo runs

[@ultranumhere]

I don't want to include an Ego in multiple categories, and sunshower's teamwide stackable buffs attract me more than the slightly above average damage. Also I actually addressed this in the video, the offensive power of Sunshower is locked behind a very expensive Threadspin 4, thus making it a far worse option for the purposes of this video

[@marccastellvi3937]

@@ultranumhere 33 power 7 attack weight with 20% dmg up and corrosion that even gives debuffs and it is considered as one of the biggest nukes, then you say its support? Like nobody uses it for support lol

[@longphan7656]

@@ultranumhere that's a biased as hell take Contempt awe also need U4 to bring out its full power and in either case, sunshower still easily outdo contempt awe in term of damage in both U3 and U4 Not only does it cost cheaper, it also require no set up contempt awe require a whole lust set up to make it as powerful as sunshower. Sunshower require no resonance and can be pop out at full power any time you want. And because of that, it can be setup easier with stuffs like hex nail or other damage boost/resistance shred

[@TheRovingPunster]

For damage, one notable exclusion was soup don. The awakening has a free 50% damage bonus on a 25 roll 3 aoe , putting it at 112 damage, but the real draw is the corrosion. 27 on a 3 aoe with up to 110% damage bonus (technically can go up to 170% but I'll assume you're only doing a 6 slot team), putting it at 178 damage (and is fairly easy to meet full conditionals. Just have 10 extra lust resources sitting around and have as big a lust chain as you can get) Also where is wingbeat? It is the highest single target damage ego in the game, by a country mile. And using support passives like butler faust removes most of its inconsistency

[@ultranumhere]

Interesting point on soup. Wingbeat is far too inconsistent. I don't consider dealing high damage every 20th usage a good feat (and I've hit so many double tails that I genuinely can't take that ego seriously)

[@TheRovingPunster]

@@ultranumhere With butler faust supp passive active and land of illusion used prior that turn, you have a 30% chance of 7 coins. because together, you net 3 SP per hit rather than losing 2, and at even 2 reuses its at 130 damage.

[@oomfie_rhine]

@@TheRovingPunsterI can second this Having butler faust passive active makes wingbeat rng hilariously consistent for huge damage

[@borger8045]

i would also like to say that rodya's persuance is actually better than meursault's at recovery thanks to a healing passive and the ability to actuallly heal the user via overclock

[@ultranumhere]

Hm, I didn't look into their corrisions, but I wen for meursault due to him inflicting prot, which I find to synergize well with the healing, considering that you use pursuance to bounce back from an attack that would likely stagger.

[@AngryPomeranian]

Soda Hong Lu

[@ultranumhere]

Just a bad recovery Ego lol

[@devilman1996]

Potential EGO

[@lighting0b450]

Soda Hong Lu

[@averagemusiclover]

Potential EGO

[@Senphii]

Its not even potential ego it just kinda sucks lol

[@OzenGame]

Sinclair's Lantern, the best hp heal ego in the game not being there saddens me greatly.... Great video though.

[@Kostej]

This was really help full.

[@ganescus]

I feel you are greatly underestimating the chances to get a high roll on Wingbeat with just 2 support passives - Ring Yi Sang and Butler Faust (just owning 4 Lust + Gloom and having any sinking on the target). You have the following chances to get heads on every coin in the worst possible RNG from these passives: Coin 1 is 70%, 2 is 82%, 3 is 92%, 4 is 93%, 5 is 94%, 6 is 92%, 7 is 90%. With the best luck, coin 7 has a 93% and coins 4 and 5 have 95%, for example. This averages out for about a 40% chance to get all 7 heads, and you will get the 5 extra coins quite often even if you miss the first heads - so it's definitely not 1 in 500 or whatever to get good damage. Since you mentioned other EGOs that need support, I don't see why you wouldn't mention this EGO at all, which wants just 2 support passives. Either way, I did enjoy the video!

[@ultranumhere]

@@ganescus I'm glad you enjoyed. I also think you're doing unnecessary mental gymnastics to make wingbeat work when you could have done much more damage by not doing so. Ring Yi Sang is one of the best IDs in the game, running him as a support is psychotic. Butler faust requires 5+ sinking on target, and you can't forget that sinking count is spent on every hit, so at the minimum you have to have 5 sinking with 6 count to get the full benefit. This calls for the usage of a sinking team and Rime Shank to set this up in an adequate amount of time. Now back to Yi Sang. Why would you ever run any Yi Sang other than SpiceBush in sinking, when he can deal thousands of damage with the same setup. Another thing I've seen is using Hong Lu's base ego at uptie 4 for no SP loss. Between Rime Shank and Land of Illusion, you're spending a copious amount of materials on this setup. You also have to run a sinking team, and sacrifice its strongest Identity to use Yi Sang as a Support. Is this worth the 300-600 damage?

[@V3LV3L4]

Though it tragically could not compete with the other healing EGOs, I feel I ought to shout out Holiday Outis for healing 20 SP across 3 sinners (4 at UT4 but I couldn't spare the egoshards), effectively costing 5 SP, and easily being the most valuable EGO in my 65 Turn RR4 Burn Run for its relatively low resource cost. Blind Obsession was technically there for that same purpose too, but I could scarcely use it since *only* Philip had any Gloom across the entire team.

[@thehilariousoriginalname4624]

For single target damage, the new Solemn Lament Gregor can shred through enemies like paper with his 8 coins if he gets a way to regain sanity on hit (as well as Linton Gregor’s Coin Power Boost) he can go completely insane. He does fall off a fair bit when the AOE is on 3 people, but he can still Ding Ding Ding get Staggered get staggered at least 1 person with the sheer amount of coins.

[@GutsOfRivia]

I find it funny that most haste buff EGO belongs to Heathcliff.

[@wildfire_]

ryoshu taking up half of the damage egos is weirdly fitting. she's also got two of the best damage IDs (W ryoshu and red eyes ryoshu)

[@wildfire_]

shout out to rime shank and ardor blossom for not even making the cut. you're the best in my heart.

[@simonsis1321]

Shows blind obsession dealing almost double damage while rolling tails than Dimension shredder. I read that you didn't want to include them twice but it would have really helped to say that at the start of the damage category.

[@Rob_TheRiv]

Good information, thank you! I wonder if you could also tackle another category of ego, I call it "panic button when I need to win a clash". Mersault's Capote saved me from a full team wipe many times.

[@ultranumhere]

yeah, I did mention that in the Pursuance segment as I've used it a lot whenever I just cant outclash an enemy. It's not its own category tho, a lot of different egos go 30+ in clash power, you just need to keep them in the back of your mind when facing enemies with high clash values

[@acridcesium_9971]

It's definitely not consistent in any way, but Sanguine Desire feels like it should get at least a small mention even if excluding the strat of forcing ties to infinitely loop bleed. Also Regret as a support EGO because of how much its passive does for all his IDs. Maybe Ishmael Roseate Desire for a support too? Since -10 offense level and 3 Para is situationally better than Chains of Others and being same turn could sometimes be useful, but its passive also provides a ton of Bind vs single targets if Ishmael is going earlier in the turn. Could also argue Screwloose Wallop as a "support" because 2 overclocks give you +80% damage on everything for the rest of the fight, but it's fighting Regret for the slot and it has anti-synergy with Blade Lineage Meursault trying to Yield Flesh.

[@ultranumhere]

Sanguine Desire is far too expensive for that effect imo. Regret was overlooked, that's true. Roseate desire has the problem that Ishmael has to go first to get anything from it, and if she's going first she might as well pop Blind Obsession for teamwide buffs and much better clashpower than RD. Screwloose wallop is not what I would consider support, but it is pretty funny (also it doesn't have anti-synergy with YmF, meursault's passive lets him cheat death once, and with a +80% damage buff, a single tCtB is more than enough)

[@galegusto4407]

Meursault's Pursuance actually heals for 30% of the target's max HP instead of Meursault's. Rodion's Pursuance is the o e to heal of user's max HP and shoukd have been the one being nominated

[@ultranumhere]

yeah, I'm blind. Still, the protection stacks really well on top of the healing to keep a staggered or targeted character alive, as opposed to Rodion's offensive buff that doesnt really mesh well with the primary ability of a heavy heal

[@ZhangYong1989]

no rimeshank is crazy

[@TrulyBS-QJ]

the infant scholar of Lübeck

[@souljam4316]

Bro forgot Wingbeats

[@ultranumhere]

The 2-tails hitter for 17 damage?

[@shremp69]

@@ultranumhere LET'S GO GAMBLING 🤑🤑🤑🤑

[@heartbae87]

@@ultranumhere still has the highest potential damage for an ego. 7 coins + inflicting 7 gluttony fragile is nothing to scoff at

[@ultranumhere]

@@heartbae87 potential damage does not equate actual damage. This is exactly why I put Everlasting at 6th. Sure, every 20th wingbeat you use will deal 600 damage, but so many of them will die at incredibly low output, so you can't rely on Wingbeat for actual damage. Also gluttony support is worthless, how many high damage skills are gluttony again?

[@lighting0b450]

​​@@ultranumhere Heartbae seems to have the exclusive right to use wingbeats more than once in one turn xD

[@DemoniumKen]

I see only two strong egos: fluid sack Faust for recovery and sunshower yi sang for everything else

[@Amirrorofmirrors]

I get that trying to consider every possible team usage for every ego would be a massive headache, but it is kinda disappointing that there weren’t any status-specific meta egos in this list. Like telepole don for charge teams, rime shank for sinking, cavernous wailing lu for tremor, and even everlasting for tremor due to its potency and count application. (Also by status-specific, I don’t mean ranking egos for every status, I mean ranking which ego’s benefit their specific team the best.) I feel like that would have been a much more interesting category to discuss, since it depends on both the weakness of those statuses and the strengths of the ego, rather than just the ego itself. Great video regardless, though.

[@ultranumhere]

I have included Cavernous Wailing in the video, though. The reason why other Egos aren't on the list is because Charge can exist without telepole with no problems, sinking can exist without rime shank, and so on, while the difference between Cavernous Wailing tremor and tremor without it is might and day

[@simplyeyeronic1443]

The main power of uptie 4 chains is that it means meursault may be able to take a clash instead of being at the same 1 speed as the enemy, unable to redirect

[@ultranumhere]

Meursault jail gets a guard

[@drakeuser2706]

I feel Crows Eye View should have gotten some representation during the support segment. 2 Haste for your team and 2 clash power down and 2 bind on the enemy is very strong on top of its ludicrously cheap cost and decent clash potential.

[@ultranumhere]

ngl this ego has potential, but it's not as good as other supports. It suffers from the same problem as hex nail, where the single turn of power down forces Yi Sang to go first to be able to use the effect.

[@Lh0000]

@@ultranumhere Okay no, crows eye view atleast does something even if yo I don’t get the attack power up haste next turn is extremely useful, AND yi sang consistently has relatively fast ids so he’s significantly more likely to actually go first. And my guy you put garden of thorns Gregor above dead last, a resonance ego that can’t be used on a resonance team because they can’t reliably fuel it, atleast red eyes can just be used raw. You don’t need to jump through hoops to make it do something and you don’t need to use it on a team that’s fundamentally incapable of fueling it.

[@NokChamp]

Great Video! also very new player here, just completed my charge comp(Multi Faust, Multi Heathcliff, W Don,W Ryoshu,W Outis, Rhino Meursault) as my main comp, but I realized that I have no EGOs at all, should I just grab Fluid Sac first then?

[@probablysam2744]

Yes fluid sac is far and away the best ego in the game and probably will stay that way a while.

[@freddywright4239]

If you’ve invested so heavily in charge that you’ll be using it for a long while then yeah fluid sac Faust is gonna pull its weight. Generally as a new player pulling for ego isn’t worth it as a strong ego without a built up ID to use it just goes to waste, but FS is so strong youll be wanting it sooner or later anyways

[@ultranumhere]

As the other commenters have pointed out, Fluid Sac goes well with a charge team, and won't fall off for at least a year or two.

[@sergeyvolynets434]

Based

[@Dabaun]

Was expecting legerdemain to be there for support, paralysis is strong for some attacks that do damage but suck at clashing

[@ultranumhere]

On paper the ability is good, but it requires a decent bit of Gluttony and is a Gregor Ego, so most people woulnd't even be in a position to use it, considersing the state of the current meta (good teams produce no glut, and the only good Gregor is Twinhook in bloise)

[@Lh0000]

@@Dabaun I would like to note, in spite of his counter argument, he put garden of thorns on the list as support, an ego even fewer teams can reliably fuel and make use of, that has half the gluttony cost and is also one of, if not THE most expensive ego in the game. For less pay off.

[@mrvoid4282]

It is a 00 ID but lobotomy remnant has incredible amount of haste and is decent at clashing

[@ultranumhere]

Sure, but you wouldn't use her over any good 000 Faust

[@snipermagoo]

@@ultranumhere You would if you're focusing on hex nail.

[@ultranumhere]

@@snipermagoo except the fact that N Corp, Multicrack and 7 Association all have Envy skills

[@snipermagoo]

@@ultranumhere And they are all slower than her which is what actually matters when it's a this-turn fragility effect.

[@Lh0000]

@@ultranumhere why do you need envy skills on this Faust she’s using hex nail which is an envy skill, in focused encounters that’s all she can do this turn provided your using a full team (which you frankly should) and you don’t use hex nail in non-focused encounters since you can’t reliably target the person Faust is with an envy nuke and you wouldn’t need to anyway

[@M1011.4]

Im struggling to understand how Wingbeat didn't even get considered in the first one because it literally just does the most damage.

[@ultranumhere]

@@M1011.4 Wingbeat is a 25 sanity cost Ego. At best, you will have 20 sanity to attack with after you clash. You're not hitting 7 heads in a row at 20 SP, while also losing more SP with every coin. It's that simple. Other Egos in the damage category either cost less SP, or only have 1 coin to hit. They also rely on damage multipliers for their output, meaning that a double-tails Contempt Awe still does 150+ damage due to the weight and damage from resonance, while Wingbeat deals an extremely solid total of 6 damage on double-tails. Sure, Wingbeat has the potential to deal insane damage, but if we were going off of the maximum number that you can get from a skill once in a blue moon, the discussion would start and end with Everlasting, because why would we talk about anything but the 6 thousand damage button?

[@69qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm69]

Where would solemn lament gregor be?

[@Tekkonecko]

So uh, for healing, where lanternclair

[@utkuramazanoglu1046]

Good vid. But im curious why binds heatcliff was not considered for support, was his down side of 20 bind too bad even with that the buff he gives to him self and other units with his support passive can activated so easy he sounds like a consideration?

[@ultranumhere]

I feel like it's just insanely expensive. Whenever I've used Binds, the offense/defence level up just seemed to not be enough to warrant my Heathcliff going into the negatives without support. It's still worth considering, especially when you can also use it do deal damage, but I can't recommend it over any of the Egos on this list.

[@Tekkonecko]

​@@ultranumhere going into the negatives? Oomf doesnt it drain a grand total of like, 10 sanity a turn

[@Lh0000]

@@Tekkonecko correct it drains 10 sanity per turn for a few turns… so if you have some other way of refunding sanity on heathcliff it’s not a problem. Even stuff like base hong Lu passive negates half the sanity drain on the turn he can’t effectively clash to regain SP that way

[@littlegreenman3468]

"Faust never gets any haste" what about lob corp remnant?

[@ultranumhere]

...because you would use her over 7 Association, Regret, Multicrack, or even N Corp?

[@littlegreenman3468]

@@ultranumhere sure, I won't use her over those that you listed, but I was just pointing out that Faust does indeed have some haste.

[@ultranumhere]

@@littlegreenman3468 you're right on that, yeah

[@dunnman9697]

all egos suck holiday my goat 🤘🤘🤘

[@wolfram6260]

Where is Sinclair's Faelantern? It heals a lot of HP due "on hit" effect, so on max it could heals your two allies to 75 % of your hp

[@ultranumhere]

I believe it's worse than Pursuance due to not rolling 30+, and it doesn't box out the top 3.

[@wolfram6260]

@@ultranumhere you believe, but it isn't - and we are talking about healing, not about rolls, why then fluid Sack still higher from your logic if it doesn't roll 30+ ? You underestimate this ego, even without conditions it heals higher than Pursuance - 45% hp vs 30% hp, and this heal works and on Sinclair himself too, when pursuance heals only others

[@jaimegonzalezjr2169]

What is the best "Comtempt, Awe" team?

[@ultranumhere]

Any sin team will work. I personally prefer Envy, but the best team would probably be some Lust-bleed-burn hybrid, using RIngSang to capitalize off of C,A's bleed infliction and lust typing for more damage. The deatils of the team are up to you and your collection.

[@leoulquiorra2]

Persuance mersaunt doesnt heal with meur max hp, rodion is the one that does that

[@ultranumhere]

Wait huh, am I just blind? I could've sworn they had the same effect

[@eggseed6543]

Ey boss, i got a question about sunshowersang: Lets say i got brazen bull's coin ego gift, do i benefit of using it twice or i need to wait a whole turn for it to be useful?

[@ultranumhere]

you get buffs on both this and next turn. Using Sunshower with the coin 2 turns in a row leads to +4 power and +80% damage btw

[@eggseed6543]

@ultranumhere epic, thanks for tha tip boss

[@irineumartins9535]

Faust fan boy confirmed.

[@ultranumhere]

@@irineumartins9535 i love her

[@alastor8091]

Representation Emitter because I'm a shitter.