What is the best tenor saxophone Vintage or modern Selmer

[@marklang7486]

Why is nobody talking about what an incredible job you are doing emullating that Ben Webster sound and phrasing so perfectly?! Amazing..

[@McGillMusicSaxSchool]

Cheers Mark!

[@brianbillings6815]

The best one is the one that inspires you to pick it up and play!!!

[@josephfarnsworthmusic]

I have played a Selmer Super Action 80 “Series I” made in 1982 since 1994 when I graduated from HS. I have had opportunities to sell it and purchase another, but I love the combination of vintage and modern I have in my sax. I recently had it overhauled and it plays better than ever!

[@ruicalcada6149]

I have a tenor Mark 7 made in 1980, and its a great horn, 1/2 of the price of a M6...very good metal, modern design and old school sound...

[@toomuchtoofast4533]

The Sa80 series II tenor are gems too

[@timcason3479]

Definitely the SBA! Much richer warmer with personality like the human voice.

[@bdg7309]

Hi Nigel, there is a huge difference between both. In my opinion the SBA sounds much better (by far)... in fact, it sounds amazing and it also looks better...

[@McGillMusicSaxSchool]

It does look pretty great!

[@donnicholson3200]

I am surprised in the difference in sound. The SBA is so mellow and deep, while the Ref 36 really cuts. Both are great, but I'd choose the Ref. 36, but I love my Selmer Balanced Action and don't think it can be beat.

[@McGillMusicSaxSchool]

It’s a tough call for sure!

[@apostolispaspalakis2627]

Sound wise best saxes so far. I hate Selmer being so over priced, but man they just sound incredible. Reference 36 for me.

[@dcp8nts]

I find the SBA has a larger, brighter palette of colors. Such a great video. I'd be thrilled with either sax. Thank you Nigel.

[@zvonimirtosic6171]

Firstly, enormous congrats: you did the best ever mix/overlay of the same song played on two saxophones! Fantastic work Nigel, this is the golden standard of how all comparisons should be done, it really helps. This Ref36 is by far the best tenor saxophone you have tested. I agree with the commenters that SBA sounds laid back and thick and dreamy, but is less versatile. SBA lags, cannot pace up with increased speed and when more projection is needed. Especially in the mid-range, where Ref 36 produces more harmonics clearly separated, SBA can't match it but 'fuses' them. Modern Ref 36 does all, without breaking a sweat!

[@McGillMusicSaxSchool]

Thanks for your comments Zvonimir!

[@davidcrawford9388]

The 36 has more erm well let’s call it ‘attack’ but if you wanted caramel smooth the SBA has it. Although both would sound equally unimpressive in my hands....your 4 different pieces demonstrated just why I love the sax so much...thanks Nigel....great playing.

[@McGillMusicSaxSchool]

Cheers David.

[@elliot1405]

I think the new one sounds more crisp and it’s a little louder. But the old one sounds smoother and seems like it would be more fun to play. Maybe not as a main workhorse money-making instrument but deff would be nice to have. Sounds awesome

[@borisaranchuk2279]

My best sax is Paris Selmer reference 54. Is the best sax in the World!

[@entysax]

They both sound better with you playing them! Clearly, in the Ref 36, Selmer has made a superb modern-day 'tribute' to the SBA...but both are still classic 'Selmer' sounds. Personally I prefer modern horns, so the Ref 36 edges it for me, but the SBA has a better bottom end. And I was surprised at the altissimo, so clear on both. Looking forward to your next comparisons!!

[@lucasax78]

on which modern sax do you have preferences?

[@SteveSmith-hw7kb]

I have an 83 year old Conn 30M tenor and have just bought a Yanagisawa OW10. I concur with just about all your observations about old verses new Nigel. I absolutely love the tone of my Conn and would never sell it, but the Yany is so much easier to play in terms of the mechanism. It sits so easily under your fingers and playing funk and faster material is a lot easier. The intonation of the Yany is to die for, but the Conn needs a bit of help. I had an SA series 2 for a while, but prefer the flexibility of tone the Yany offers. I play them both with the same mouthpiece, reed and ligature set up. Having both is just the best for me as I use the Conn for standards & ballads a lot, then jump on the Yany for anything else or a second voice if I'm recording. Enjoy the dilema and then admit you want both!!!!

[@McGillMusicSaxSchool]

Ha! You’re probably right Steve, I need to become a “collector”! I’ve also been testing some Yanagisawa tenors and I agree, the mechanism is just amazing.

[@robstevens9590]

The SBA really has IT on the Ben Webster tune! Wow! The Ref 36 sounded better on 2nd number and for the last 2 numbers the difference was negligible.

[@ghawk78]

Very interesting. The SBA seems to have a bit more spread sound.

[@SomeGuyOnSax]

I gotta say, I love my 36 with 10MFan 7** - I still get the modern sound with the essence of old which is the exact sound I was looking for.

[@davidburckhardt7672]

Nice video, really. It confirms an impression I repeatedly hear, but also experienced myself. Modern Selmers, and specially the 36 and the S-III, have an extra « bite » and sparkle, which appeared with the MkVI. The pre-MkVI mostly tend to be on a more mellow side. It shows most in your « Butera » section, and more specifically in the articulation.

[@McGillMusicSaxSchool]

Interesting David. I do agree.

[@noosweat7022]

Awesome playing and I have to agree with you Ref 36 would be my choice also.

[@stangetz534]

Problems with an old sax are under rated. If your neck gets a small bump that could be it. Old key work can be a bummer. Sound is a 10/10 but I would take the 36 with a sound of 9/10 and no mechanical problems. If you bump the neck - plenty around to replace it with, too.

[@drewkingson]

I've owned Yamaha yts62, PMauriat System 76, Selmer Ts44 and now play a Jupiter JTS500 - my favourite - best acttion, sound and price

[@marcbohets6671]

I heard from different pro musicians that the quality of Selmers can vary a lot between saxes of the same type, so it is best to go try a bunch in a shop instead of just ordering one and expecting it to be very good because of the Selmer name.

[@johnnyloungejazz5477]

They used 3 different Bows over the years.

[@benhostetler268]

That’s all setup with any saxophone you need to take it to a really good tech and have them set it up and all of a sudden you’ll have “one of the good ones”.

[@marcbohets6671]

@@benhostetler268 I find it sad to see that a manufacturer with such a hyped up brand name, that sells its saxophones at such a high cost does not even bother to set them up properly, and that buyers afterwards have to take them to a tech to set them up properly. At those high Selmer prices, one would expect to get a decently set up instrument when you buy it new.

[@benhostetler268]

@@marcbohets6671 I agree but that being said you need to do that with every sax no matter the brand because shipping messes up the setup. I always have any sax I purchase shipped to my tech then I go pick it up after he’s done.

[@Heliboy1968]

My experience is limited as I just got started a few months ago, however, a beginners perspective could be valuable too. To me the SBA sounds cleaner and brighter then the 36. I really enjoyed listening to the SBA. In contrast the 36 has a raspy and darker sound then the SBA. Its really a personal preference. The difference is subtle and I would go with the 36 because of the improvements.

[@McGillMusicSaxSchool]

Cheers Domenick. The SBA does have a great sound, but the mechanism on the 36 is very tempting!

[@flatcarwillie]

I don’t have a vintage horn because of the cost, but I can only imagine all that nostalgia would be pretty inspirational.

[@McGillMusicSaxSchool]

The cost is an issue for sure. A Mark VI was always out of my budget.

[@ruicalcada6149]

@@McGillMusicSaxSchool , thats the reason i bouth a Mark 7 from 1980..its a fantastic worn ...1/2 price of the Mk 6 today..

[@TerryAndHerSax]

The SBA sounded better, but not worth it if it is harder to play! The difference wouldn’t be heard without this side by side comparison. Thanks for this really well done video! Looking forward to more from your shopping journey. How about Yanigasawa vs Yamaha?

[@Samuriele]

Reference 36! sounds good without the problems of a old sax.....

[@voodoo7953]

Both the SBA and Ref 36 sounds great not enough in it to choose, so I’ll be picking what feels best in your hands ..

[@McGillMusicSaxSchool]

It is a close call.

[@kennyroca3405]

I upgraded to a ref.54 alto kookaburra in 2012 for college. Ended up becoming a Dr., but it's still my favorite horn and I love to play!

[@rossmuller9815]

Difficult to make a true analytical comparison as one is silver and the other is lacquer how ever I feel the SBA is a better overall timbre with a bigger sound column. The latest model does not sound to me to have the same richness particularly in the 2nd register. Very nice playing.

[@McGillMusicSaxSchool]

Thanks Ross. Yes a difficult one.

[@angwer2940]

Yanigasawa TWO2 or a variant. The Yanis are for my money the best you can get.

[@PaulThomas2]

Played all Yanagisawa for 30+ years. Now play Ref 54 alto and tenor although I still have the Yanis. I have found exactly the same as you in terms of the ease of the altissimo on Selmer. My Yani tenor in particular is much more difficult. The Ref 36 in your video has more edge and a more contemporary sound. I guess it all comes down to what you want. Great video, thanks.

[@CraigAB69]

I like the Selmer sound, but could never get used to the feel. The Yanagisawa action and the key position just seemed to fit my hand better, so I settled on Yanagisawa. I own a 500 series Tenor and Alto (I would like a Baritone, not sure how to get it past the wife) . The Yamaha 82Z was another one I liked. I would like to try the Yanagisawa 9937, but at $10K AUD, not likely. There was quite a difference between the SBA and the 36.

[@ronlang7236]

Thanks for the comparison. The Selmer is more than twice expensive as the Yanagisawa WO series. But a review shows virtually no difference in sound quality. Would you agree? If so, it seems one would get much more value for the money by choosing the Yanagisawa WO series over a Selmer.

[@McGillMusicSaxSchool]

Interesting point Ron. Actually I’m doing a comparison with some Yanagisawa saxes soon too and the TWO10 is very impressive for the price. I think people would choose to pay more for the Selmer Ref 36 because of it’s sound - which is definitely different from the TWO10. Personal preference.

[@puntila8]

Amazing video! That Rimski Korsakov's Flying of the Bumble Bee! Incredible! Thanks a lot!

[@McGillMusicSaxSchool]

Cheers. Thanks for watching!

[@frankzona9867]

Tough to pick a favorite. If I look away from the video I can't really tell the difference. I have a 1935 B/A. Although Selmer didn't officially call this model a Balanced Action until 1936, mine was an early transition model I'm told. I also have a 1973 MVI. I've had both for years and still can't decide which is my favorite. Both have pluses and minuses in keyword, sound etc. but the MVI is my usual gigging horn. Unlike you I've always had vintage horns. The few times I've tried a modern horn like a Yamaha Alto, I had had to run out of the store before I get get my credit card out. It was that good. Keep up the search, these are great videos.

[@McGillMusicSaxSchool]

Cheers Frank. You’ve got a nice couple saxes there!

[@jpdj2715]

1) Embouchure and player skills. 2) Reed. 3) Mouthpiece. 4) The instrument. I know, that is a general theme here. Which one is better? The one that plays right intuitively, without surprise false notes, that goes up to the high notes most easily and does the lowest notes in a breeze. Watch this video "A Saxophone Lesson in Harlem - Jason Marshall on Baritone Sax" - summary: forget "vintage".

[@peterthomson9022]

For me absolutely no contest. OK, listening on moderate quality computer amplification but the Balanced Action is, tonally, far superior to my ears. The Reference 36 is fantastic of course but it's harsher, more aggressive in tone, louder; great for some songs if you've the fortune to own several and swop around! But Nigel, you never got the tonal richness I could hear in the B.A., from the R 36.

[@davidf8850]

Agreed; loved the tone of the SBA

[@MARKLINMAN1]

I played one of those Selmer SBA in sterling Silver like this over at KB SAX, best sounding horn i have ever played...SOLD for 9 grand. wish i had grabbed it.

[@calvinherman448]

I have a mark vi tenor from 1955 and a mark vi alto from 1969, I also have a Yanagisawa 9937 elite tenor and a WO 37 alto Yanagisawa. They all play very well, however my favorite is the Mark vi from 1955. The yanagisawa elite model plays very nice, good sound bit very heavy.

[@MusicLiberates]

If you ever get an opportunity, try an SBA that was manufactured towards the end of their run, around the 50,000 serial numbers. Some improvements were made to those SBAs, as Selmer was approaching the change over to the Mrk VIs.

[@lucasax78]

Hi, how have they improved? I would like to buy a SBA series 49xxx

[@aaronbensi9723]

Great comparison.. The vintage horn sounds better.. but not by much... l own several horns from a Ref 54 .Martin committee 3.. Yamaha 62.. and so on..All great horns.. But for me..the 54 is in its own league..... Best of both worlds.. As it sounds as good as the vintage 6..

[@josephpeccerillo1640]

If you haven’t tried one yet I highly recommend checking out the Yanagisawa TWO20. I was convinced I would want a Selmer because I play a Mark VII alto and love the sound. I had a chance to try out a few new Selmers as well as a Yanagisawa TWO20 and TWO2. For me, the Yanis absolutely blew the Selmers out of the water. Wasn’t even close for me. I was shocked. I never considered Yanis before but they play so effortlessly, but with just the right amount of resistance and the tone is rich, deep, and absolutely silky smooth. The TWO20 is considerably more pricey than the TWO2 but imo absolutely worth the extra. However the TWO2 was a great horn as well. Just as effortless to play, just missing something in character that the 20 had. Needless to say I am saving to buy a TWO20 hopefully soon. If you try one or have tried one I’d love to hear your feedback.

[@vernonmilesadi1076]

Joseph, I think you may be even more AMAZED once you own a TW020 at how much better they sound, than what you thought they sound like, before you bought it. Hope this makes sense.

[@josephpeccerillo1640]

Vernon Miles I hope you’re right. I can’t imagine though loving it more than I did in the store. It was a pretty amazing horn.

[@ketong71]

I found the SBA to be more focused. The Ref. 36 was more spread out and a tad brighter, perfect for Funk and Jump Blues. For Jazz, and classical music, the SBA was better. Just my $0.02 worth. Both sounded great. Wish I can afford either horn.

[@McGillMusicSaxSchool]

Cheers

[@frankversteeg8107]

immediately, when you started playing the SBA, i recognised the sound, i have an Keilwerth tenor Toneking , dated from 1973, beautifull sound that i really like

[@benjaminfalcone2074]

If you haven't found one yet, I would strongly suggest trying a rampone e cazzani

[@sterlingtenor]

Great video. I have a 1968 Mark VI and reference 36. The intonation and keywork is wonderful on the 36, but I always seem to back to my VI.

[@jongoforth1405]

Well, I think the SBA clips the 36 off at the knees in every way. Yes, you’ve been playing that Guardala (I’m assuming it’s the one made by B&S as opposed to the later Taiwanese Guardala), so you’d have to get used to the older action. Pitch? Well, when you were playing the 36 I heard a couple of flat Bb’s (Ab concert) and C’s (Bb concert). I heard nothing with the SBA that bothered me. Dynamically? No contest. The SBA goes from ff to pp with what I would call “character”. Is it the same color? No, the 36 does that. But I want the voice to change as I crescendo/diminuendo. You’re an excellent saxophonist-perfect emboucher, excellent articulation, beautiful tone, so I respect your opinion. I, too, am a professional sax/flute/ clarinet-if-provoked player; this is my 48th professional year. As far as playing fast, Coltrane never seemed to get hung up by the SBA action. He switched to a VI for hot minute, then switched back. I’ve played a 50k SBA since ‘93, have had other horns during that time, they’ve all gone down the road. Chris Potter, Jerry Bergonzi, Ravi Coltrane, Josh Redman, all seem to favor SBAs. They could have anything, but there it is. Just my two cents. Thank you for your great vids, great teaching. All the best-Jon

[@Nevwit]

I love a good saxophone review, and yours is great - thank you Nigel! I suggest you try out a TJ Raw. There seem to be a whole raft of saxes now assembled from generic parts from Asia, and they can be really good. I have a Forestone which I love. I also have a 1960s Dolnet which I suspect sounds a little better , but the ergonomics and robustness don't match the new breeds. I'm looking forward to your next review!

[@McGillMusicSaxSchool]

Cheers! Actually Trevor James kindly sent me a Custom RAW to test last week and I’ll have a video coming out about it soon. Great sax.

[@benhostetler268]

My favorite Alto is the Selmer Reference 54 and Tenor is the newer version of the tenor 54 (they made it lighter and quietly adjusted the neck) but I have heard really good things about the tenor Supreme.

[@UListenHere]

I own 2 Tenor Selmer 137,xxx and Reference 36 Love both, but think the refence 36 is a little darker, but louder in my head, in front of and recorded it sounds equal. But the intonation of the reference 36(playing since end of february 2021) is much better , the springs has a little more resistance, i not sure, but i think thats a little help for playing with precision. therefore i can it better hear in my own head, which makes the band(hear myself)-situation a little more relaxed, better as monitoring, i maybe switch to the reference as main horn. the 137,xxx is "faster"(playing sincd 1995) and has a little more overtone and character in my ears during playing it, but ists only in my ears, i could hear the difference, the auditorium and records has no differences. Playing Matt Marantz double ring 9 ( .120) metal or Otto Link newer STM 9 ( .120, the only Link I have seen that is prefect, table, side rails, tip , measure direct from fabrik , no modifications) metall I like the Marantz more, because it is a little darker and the sound is, for me, rounder and exact that i looking for. Sorry for my english ... All the best and great thanks for Your superb videos! P.S. You sound great on both of this horns, in any style, wow!

[@nanciemcauley614]

Man, you are amazing Nigel. That Flight of the Bumble Bee was crazy. I'm such a novice I didn't hear any difference, they both sounded amazing to me. Not much help I know. I do have a new Selmer and I love it.

[@robwarrens5348]

I prefer the SBA it has more dynamics

[@McGillMusicSaxSchool]

Cool.

[@angwer2940]

Have you considered the Trever James Signature Custom raw or the laquered version? A lot of people are rating these. I have a raw Alto and its excellent.

[@roycenies3027]

I currently play a P. Maurit Paris Custom Class PMST-60NS (with F Key) and I love it. I had been playing a Conn 10M from my playing days back in the 60's. I still use my orginal mouth piece a Berg Larsen 95 3 M and still love playing it. On the Maurit I especially like the lower register.

[@McGillMusicSaxSchool]

Nice one Royce. I’ll need to test out the P.Mauriat horns too!

[@hansmathiasthjomoe4817]

It’s said that the sound is made by you, the mouthpiece and the reed. I think I have a good hearing and I used my best headphones. They are pretty similar, but to me it seems that the SBA has a “wider” and rounder tone. Personally I have a Mark VI 1962 model tenor in mint condition. As a spear I have an almost new Conn Selmer Prelude. To be honest, I can’t tell the difference. I might prefer the key layout of the Mark VI, but that might be because I’m used to it.

[@robb8773]

Its really close but just from a sound, I liked the SBA

[@TrueBlueYou]

He had more flexibility with the SBA definitely. He was having a hard time bending and scooping notes w the 36

[@Western-be2zs]

I think the ref 36 just nicked it,i play a King Super 20 Silversonic Tenor and i wouldn’t swap it for any other sax,I’ve played Mk6,s,Yanigasawas and Yamahas,they were all good horns but I love the sound of mine to much to think about changing,good luck with whatever you choose 👍🎷

[@model-tube3917]

Great video. It all comes down to personal taste for me. I have had many Conn 10Ms, Selmer MK VI, Selmer MK VII, and now a 1937 Conn 30M, (Yeah Baby this one is super cool!). Some of the my vintage horns have been pretty rough, one 1956 Selmer MK VI, was really rough, heavily repaired, had a straightened bell lip, though working, it made a lot of key noise in the rods and mechanisms. Sooo.... for me Vintage horns are for those willing to spend time with "the care and feeding they require", it is the only way to get the cool vintage patina look they have, (which might be the secret real deal??), "if that is what your in to"

[@McGillMusicSaxSchool]

Wow that’s a fantastic collection you have! Congrats. I do like the vintage sound and the fact that there is a lot of history but I’m a sucker for new fast mechanism I’m afraid.

[@model-tube3917]

@@McGillMusicSaxSchool I think maybe your comments helps me zero it in. I am a "huge" Lester Young fan. I listen over and over and I also just play Ballads. I like to get a note and just hang on....... I work on the "syllables" in my playing.

[@alexeichikish2221]

As you often see which names are popular they are Conn 10m before IIWW, King S20 early 50th, I individually prefer vintage Americans, many say negative things about mechanic,but you have to deal with it. They are truly originals and hard to copy with modern materials and economy in craftsmanship!

[@sumitsagaonkar]

Both the horns sound good. But my ears loved the sound of the modern horn. Thank you, Nigel, for the comparisons you have made and helped some of the viewers to make an easy choice for their difficult decisions to pick up and own a horn for themselves. By any chance will you make a video on Mark VI and Reference 54 tenor saxophone.

[@McGillMusicSaxSchool]

Thanks Sumit, that would be another great comparison.

[@mikesutton4320]

The SBA was just beautiful sounding - watching you play both was so inspirational, Nigel. I could see what you mean about the having to think more about key placement on the SBA though - you could see the concentration on your face with Flight of the Bumble Bee - you seemed to be having a slightly easier time on the 36. Definitely the Ref 36 is a punchier, more aggressive sound than the SBA to my ears, but the SBA seemed to rise to the occasion with Streetlife. Based on sound alone , I would go for the SBA.

[@zenscapeUKmedia]

Great video. To me, the Ref 36 sounds much fuller and expressive and from a sound perspective is the better horn because you clearly felt happier with it. Ultimately I feel 90% of any sax tone comes from the player's diaphragm, throat, mouth, reed and mouthpiece. The horn is only really changing the pitch and adding nuance to the note being blown. If a poor player like me picked up either horn, it would sound terrible compared to a competent player on any other horn. Factor in the room acoustics and recording environment and the degree the horn body can change anything must be very small compared to everything else going on.

[@billducker7404]

It's the player or what is in his head plus years of study and playing. But in my opinion you can't beat the sound of a Selmer saxophone. It's what I was brought up with. the first saxophones I have heard were Selmers and I've never got that sound out of my head. It's just like there are certain players that you emulate. The first Live player I have heard it's a boy was Paul Desmond and I have to a great extent retained that style of sound in my head many years ago I was practising in the little band that I played in on the flute. The music director came in later and said you sound just like James Galway, well I was flattered but actually unbeknown to him that was the sound I was trying to imitate in my head. I'll tell my students in particular the younger ones today to go on KZbin and listen to as many saxophone players as they can. We all learn by copying from the day we are born we tend to copy the words that we have around us. Education often tells us in the early stages not to copy. I think by copying and listening and being absorbed in music you eventually develop your own sound. It doesn't matter what instrument you play on you probably sound pretty much the same. Get the best horn that you can afford preferably with some good advice good night please find the best read for you and stick with it. For instance some players I think they have more mouthpieces than reeds. I count myself fortunate starting out in the late 50s playing so many bad reeds because it wasn't that long after World War II and many of the reed fields were bombed during the war. For instance it was very rare to get a VanDoren Reed where I lived and sometimes they were even green. So I think that the modern reeds are terrific becaus of the way the manufacturers give attention not only to the cut but to the packaging to deal with the humidity thank you so much for your brilliant video and your expertise. You will never know this side of eternity how many people you have influenced and are influencing. God bless you and yours Thank you so much - Bill - UK

[@McGillMusicSaxSchool]

Cheers for your comments Bill. I completely agree about listening as much as possible, and today we are so fortunate that it’s super easy to listen to loads of players via KZbin, Spotify etc. Btw, I wish I sounded like James Galway on flute! More practice needed!

[@guydelorme417]

Both sound pretty good, my choice would be the Modern Selmer, If only I had the money would go for a Selmer saxophone. Great test

[@McGillMusicSaxSchool]

Thanks Guy.

[@tim789jesus]

Nigel is the tops all round player😊

[@toomuchtoofast4533]

Nigel, we need you test drive the SA80 series II tenor.. such a great horn.. a good late nineties early 2000s can be had for $3500 to 4K

[@ldever3]

I have only played a King Zephyr and a King Super 20. The Super 20 is newer and has a much better table. The 18 yr older Zephyr has a slightly richer sound. I would love to play something new to see if there is any significant difference, but there is no decent saxophone store in my area.

[@helengordon-saxophone]

A really interesting test, both sounded great in your hands tbh . Id love to try the two of them to test the modern and vintage mechanisms/feel.

[@ashwinnavin5376]

There’s no comparison to the SBA, it is the quintessential sax sound, and no other modern horn has replicated it. The alchemy, the mystery, the magic of that horn. Would love to hear you play that horn with a more classic combination of mouthpiece/reed. I agree with your points about the mechanical aspects of modern horns but why compromise sound for ease? Skill makes up the difference, and unlocks what only a very small number of sax players will ever experience- the sound of a Selmer SBA. Thanks for sharing this video, you’ve inspired me to seek out an SBA one day...

[@McGillMusicSaxSchool]

Thanks for your comments Ashwin. The SBA does sound great. I guess it depends if you are looking for a sax to do lots of different jobs - most pro players will need to be very flexible and play in different styles, and that is where the newer sax wins for me. However, that sound.....!

[@jamesjefferson8353]

I found the Ref 36 to be a more open sound. I loved it. I wish the test instruments were the same finish.

[@thomaskipfer1008]

While I agree with others that the SBA has the low notes, I couldn’t really tell any difference in the regular frequency notes. Thanks for your demo. Tom

[@McGillMusicSaxSchool]

Cheers Tom.

[@matsmanteatern698]

Great video Nigel! Sound wise I think the SBA is a little warmer and more rounded.. maybe even a little more focused and pointed than the ref.36 to my ears. On Street life I preferred the ref. 36. Very close call on the Sam Butero song!! On both classical and straight ahead I preferred the SBA. I hear and really understand you about the mechanism.. but since you have great technic I can’t hear any struggle with the SBA. Personally I played a SBA (-47, a transitional model between BA and SBA but it got almost all of the SBA features)for many years and sort of got used to it. But a couple of years ago my curiosity drove me towards the iconic mark VI and today I’m mostly playing a markVI 165xxx. (-65). They’re quit different in both sound and feel. The VI has much more power and volume. And I think it has both a very warm and full sound and at the same time definitely more brightness and “zing” quality than the SBA.. however the SBA has a fantastic evenness in the whole register! And also a sort of mellow, more centered tone. And Some kind vulnerability ( in a positive way!)in the sound that is typical for old horns I guess. There is an article somewhere with Joshua Redman where he talks about the difference and I think he really described it well. At the moment I’m trying to play some Bach cello suites and it’s amazing how nice that music fits the SBA!! Very curious about you’re upcoming videos with more saxes! I’m actually not a must-have-a-vintage-horn guy. So I’ve tested a few new horns before I found my mark VI. The Yanagisawas are absolutely great! Mechanics are the best I’ve came across so far! I really liked the sound of the WO20! A bronze horn. More warmth and depth in sound compared to the WO10 I think..Also tried some Canonball horns. Good ones, but the mechanics are more refined on the Yanis. And speaking of intonation I do think that most good modern horns play better in tune than old vintage ones. I haven’t really had a chance to test that but my mark VI do have some intonation issues. As has my SBA.

[@McGillMusicSaxSchool]

Thanks for your comments here Mats. I’m actually testing some Yanagisawa tenors (video coming out this week I think). I agree they are incredible. Also got some other very interesting Saxes I’m testing which are turning my head. Keep you posted!

[@jamescps8799]

I compared all your videos and found this Selmer Ref 36 sounded the best. It has certain quality in the tone that we can't find in other horns.

[@McGillMusicSaxSchool]

Cool, glad you like the Ref36 James. It's a nice instrument for sure.

[@tobiassaxophon1288]

Great comparison. I found the SBA more centered sound, clear and very flexible. The Reference 36 ist more spread, more powerfull, just different. Perhaps you can try a yanagisawa t wo10. To me it beats all modern saxophones. Perfect intonation, keywork, little resistance and a solid core. YTS82z is more freeblowing but can lack control over intonation in the uper register. The 82z has also not a so clear core to my ears. Perhaps you have the same impression when playing it. Great work. :-)

[@brucesmith3740]

my experience: Silver plated selmers have nice buzz on stack D on both octaves. DG by B&S most resistance of any horn I played. Sounded great but alot of work. Old selmers through mark vii had best action. Altimissio easier on older Yamahas.

[@jnmkkmnj]

The Ref I mentioned to you in the email was the new 54 which is supposed to be an attempt to be an updated MK 6. Although I like the sound I get with my SBA series 2 there was a desirable punch to the 36. These old arthritic hands will never move fast enough for the key action to make much difference..

[@McGillMusicSaxSchool]

Cheers John. I would really like to compare those two - the Ref 54 and Ref 36. Personally I would really like to have the high F# key (not on the 36), but the sound of the 36 is lovely.

[@benjaminthurston8284]

The Ref is definitely better for the Pop setting. It almost sounds like you're using a different mouthpiece to be honest! I think you sound great on the Ref, and if I may say so better than on your regular darker sounding Sax, but I'm a fan of the bright sound anyway. I play on a YTS 62 and love the brightness.

[@McGillMusicSaxSchool]

Cheers Benjamin. I appreciate your comments. It is interesting the difference between the two. Your 62 is another great sax. I am also testing a Yamaha 82z at the moment an will have a video out soon about that review. Very interesting!

[@AGC828]

Doesn't seem to be an audible difference. Was wondering about this. Guides it comes down to playability.

[@IsteadAl]

I thought the Ref 36 just had the edge on the SBA, really noticable on Street Life that it had more attack

[@McGillMusicSaxSchool]

That’s interesting Alan. I agree the Ref 36 is better in a commercial setting.

[@kevthehorn]

I Have a 1941 10m which i love on the ones you are playing i will go for the sba cheers Nigel

[@rafaelandrade6747]

Sounds the same , both great horns , i dont like silver saxophones but with microphone does not change too much.. great compare !!!

[@shakydave]

Nigel I watched you test Yani, Yamaha and another custom horn. I think these Selmers have the best overall sound and tone!

[@McGillMusicSaxSchool]

Cheers, I’ve been re-listening to these videos too. It’s really helpful to watch them all back and compare. Glad you like the Selmers.

[@derekakien7379]

A very close call. I would go for the SBA with a brighter mouthpiece. Although I guess the keywork may be a bit slack.

[@DynamixWarePro]

I am saving to upgrade my alto next year from a Yamaha YAS-280. Played it for 2 years and really feel I want to upgrade to a pro sax. Currently looking at a Yanagisawa AWO1. I did think about a Yamaha YAS-62. Yes it has a bigger tone over the 280 and more depth and ease of play, but I don't feel its enough of a difference compared to my 280 than the Yani is to it. as I like the centered tone on the Yani, but if I did have the money, I'd maybe get a Yamaha 875-EX instead as I quite like the depth of sound it has compared to other Yamaha models.

[@McGillMusicSaxSchool]

Interesting Dave. I’m also testing some Yanagisawa and a Yamaha 82Z (videos coming soon). The Yanagisawa horns have AMAZING keywork for sure.

[@VideoNash]

I just bought a beginner sax. ( Leblanc saxophone ) "tenner" ...Can you suggest the best "Amazon" mute for my in-home practice? I also have a full recording studio, so I will be taking your full class/course... I also want to buy a microphone on amazon can you also give me a suggestion, along with the best accessories for this product? I want to get everything/tools that a professional needs for being a saxophone player and producing professional and "mastered" recordings??? I've never even held a wind/ brass interment in my hands, before in my life but I have a "Golden Ear" and I want to copyright my own music... I'm hoping you can take me there, if you know what I mean... Thanks for any reply.

[@nicolaschangeur6716]

Great trials. Curious / looking forward to see your other trials available at this level of perfection, except yana. I own a ref 36 and i believe you can get the sound you want with the right setting. Best sax for me on tenor. For soprano yana s981. Best.

[@FunkOsax]

My 18 year old Reference 36 does have a high F# key. I absolutely love my Ref 36. I’ve had a Mk6 and mk7, but the 36 is the bees knees

[@McGillMusicSaxSchool]

Cool to hear that David. I don’t know if the high F# is only on some versions of the Ref 36? The one I tested didn’t have one (that was one of the special “Bird” edition saxes though).

[@marcpaquette8241]

I would love to hear a Buscher 400 tenor vs a Eastman Rue St. George Tenor. My dream tenor would be a Buescher 400 to match my alto but I briefly got to play the Rue St. George and now I want to be able to hear them side by side.

[@McGillMusicSaxSchool]

That would be a great comparison.

[@johnw832]

Super playing--The SBA sound more focused and maybe more one dimensional sounding which makes it sound punchy and clear but the Ref36 is sweet, spread sound and i think would give more flexible sound possibilities. Very close for me but probably lean to Ref 36 . I have a very nice easy playing ,good sounding yanagisawa T990-- John

[@McGillMusicSaxSchool]

Cheers John. The Yanagisawas are great too - I’ve been testing a couple of them as well. Video will be out soon.

[@scamphoney]

I agree with your choice, although the SBA sounded great, the mechanism in the new horns are hard to beat. I have always wanted a Selmer 36 or Selmer 54.. but i am content with my Yani 992, intonation is great.😊🙂

[@McGillMusicSaxSchool]

Your Yani 992 is a brilliant sax Raymond. You’re doing ok there!

[@ShivaS]

SBA sounded superb and the last song you played amazing. Can you do a review of Yany TW02 Bronze sax please?

[@McGillMusicSaxSchool]

Actually.... I have another video coming soon where I compare the Yanagisawa bronze/silver vs the standard TWO10. That’s an interesting shootout too.

[@TheMarktheshark1000]

Hi Nigel I’m Wondering would it be cool to own a Selmar sba manufactured on your birthday when you were born . You’ve earned it .... I think the sba sounds slightly smoother and quieter yet the other sounds ace to and I’m sure you could make any sax sound great good luck cheers Mark Robinson

[@McGillMusicSaxSchool]

Good question Mark - I think any excuse to own an SBA would work for me!

[@topolinik]

Reference 36 is the modern version of Balanced Action and not SBA.

[@clueless3398]

It’s does seem like the SBA has a sizzle to the sound, but then the reference sounds clearer...

[@Zofer-1920]

In terms of sounds they sound the smallest margin of difference. Maybe a little more punchy or bolder with the Ref 36. The SBA is just a little more rounded sound to my ears. It looked as though you didn’t work as hard with the newer horn though. Only minimally though.

[@McGillMusicSaxSchool]

I think you’re right there - the newer sax is definitely easier to play and the mechanism is not surprisingly much more even too.

[@shephronqpan]

The sound of the old one is like being consisted of two sounds one after another glued to each other. Like aftersound. More natural and analogues. The new one sounds unnatural. Mechanical without soul. I have a strong belief that in those times people who made them belonged to those ones connected to reality ergo could influence the fabric of reality.

[@ZsombiSax]

Thank you for this! the diffence was clear. I m in a bit of a hard situation exactly cz of these differences. I have a beauty Mark 6 however Im working in pop-and rnb mostly and I cant help but wondering if a modern horn would suit my needs better btw your playing and sounds is just awesome. i got the chills non stop :D

[@borisaranchuk2279]

I would like to know then why Yanagisawa is twice less expensive then Paris Selmer like reference 54 or 36?

[@tobiassaxophon1288]

Hi Boris. That depends on the Yanagisawa you choose. There are also much more expensive Yanagisawas like the TWO37. You pay with a reference sax also the brand name (similar to expensive watches). Selmer produces also in France, so that you have to pay a more expensive workman than in Japan. Also you pay with a Selmer a lot more Endorser. Today a lot of german shops have Selmer and Yamaha saxes..... but Yanagisawa is still some of a secret tip. If you have the chance to try a Yanagisawa... try it. It is no Selmer it is more full core sounding andvery freeblowing. Hope this helps. With best wishes.

[@daniel_moretti]

I have to say that you sounded a little bit more comfortable and buttery on the SBA, even though you may have felt more comfortable on the 36

[@gregdolecki8530]

They both sound great, a little different, but great.