What Is The Best WordPress Front End Page Builder? Divi 3, Thrive, Beaver Builder, Elementor

[@WPCrafter]

Oh man, I just opened up a can of worms!! Let me know what you like best, but please keep it respectful :-) Here are links to all the page builders: Elementor: www.wpcrafter.com/elementor-p... Divi: www.wpcrafter.com/elegant-themes Beaver Builder: www.wpcrafter.com/beaverbuilder Thrive Content Builder: www.wpcrafter.com/tcb

[@TheMoonWatcher]

Cornerstone was in the *thumbnail*. 5 minutes into the video "I'm not going to talk about Cornerstone". Take it out of the thumbnail please... I came here expecting a comparison between Cornerstone and Beaver Builder and the other ones.

[@TheMoonWatcher]

Here's the screenshot of the preview in suggested videos: imgur.com/cu2dNtQ . For some reason I can't see the full title(maybe it's too long?), hence I wasn't able to see that you're not going to talk about Cornerstone.

[@michaelmoyo4044]

we thank you sir,,,impact in Africa too thnx

[@dannyleedawber]

Do you have a guide on how change the layout for a posts page please?

[@paulashoo]

"The reason I think it's a bunch of crap ..." I love your voice, your tone, your attitude, how you are opinionated, but still respectful and not profane. I like your style.

[@WPCrafter]

I really appreciate your comment and compliment! It made my day yesterday when I first read it!

[@mustafanoon]

I was going to cancel my Divi Builder subscription, but then when I heard about Divi Builder 3.0, I changed my mind. It's the best builder in the market. You don't need all the junk like visual composer or other expensive, useless plugins. I love Divi Builder 3.0 and Thrive Theme is 2nd in my list. I have learned a lot useful stuff from this channel. Thanks Adam for all your hard work!

[@WPCrafter]

Thanks for adding your perspective here. Yes I am personally impressed with Divi 3 as well.

[@crystalwhiting1769]

Thank you so much for this video. I realize you feel you opened a can of worms, but we needed to hear several things you said. I tried Beaver Builder and was completely lost, but when I tried Divi 3.0, it just worked for my brain. Great work.

[@WPCrafter]

+Crystal Whiting Wow, I love your comment and it brings up a great point. We are all wired differently! Thank you for your support.

[@remisky5]

Awesome. I have two big clients, I have been using Muse currently switching to WordPress. I am happy because your twenty-eight-minute video saved me hours of searching and signing up for frustrating builders that are worse a GoDaddy website builder. I even signed up and paid for up front builder which you did not review it was that search that led me here. Now I know the four great WordPress builders that I Can use for my clients.

[@WPCrafter]

Yes I'm happy to hear that my video save you some time and will help you make the best decision for you. Right now my favorite page builder has to be Elementor and especially if you purchase Elementor Pro. My reasoning is if you're going to buy Elementor Pro, it includes a lot of things you would normally want a website like a form builder, a slider, lots of professional elements like that. Now the reason is a good combo is typically if you purchase plug-ins for those features you have to learn multiple interfaces. However with Elementor and Elementor Pro you will quickly be able to take advantage of these Pro modules because you're already used to the Elementor interface.

[@pattibealer]

I really appreciate your upfront honesty. It allows me to make a rational decision with honest facts. If I know there are shortcomes of any product, it helps to know which ones I need to be aware of. Thank you.

[@WPCrafter]

And thanks for your kind words and for watching the video. This is one video that does need an update because some of the page builders have new versions that are about to come out.

[@barryschuster7637]

I don't know anything about setting up a Wordpress site- but you sure passed out a lot of great information on the 4 options. Thanks

[@WPCrafter]

Thanks! If you need help just let me know via live chat on my site!

[@stevebarnesmedia]

Good to see someone being frank about pros and cons, product development/release cycles and different types of users. I've used Joomla for 13 years, and have just started using to WP recently. Your talk is useful :-)

[@WPCrafter]

Thank you Steve! I really appreciate your comments because there really is nobody commenting on these things and taking a position.

[@AndyDOHD1]

Thanks for the honest opinions. I am new to building with WP and will have to look through examples of sites built with the different editors, to decide which to try. I have been thinking of theme X and Cornerstone, but Diva3 looks good too... oh heck, so does Beaver... too many to choose from...

[@WPCrafter]

The best advice I give people is to pick one theme and one page builder and master them. Right now I think if you want to get the most beautifully designed website, it's going to be using Elementor with Elementor Pro

[@davespurs7597]

Great review. I have lifetime DIVI but don't think it's up to the job. I am researching both BeaverBuilder and Elementor. Your videos really help. Thanks for your hard work. All the best.

[@WPCrafter]

Thank you Martin. Both Beaver Builder and Elementor are fantastic. One thing to keep in mind if you're considering your builder is that they have a new interface that will be released very soon and will fix most of my gripes with Beaver Builder. Also when you pair Beaver Builder with Beaver Themer then have a very powerful solution to build anything.

[@bruceswinton1875]

Adam, this was a really informative, un-biased video. After working for years with Adobe Dreamweaver (ugh!), I made the jump over to Wordpress within the past year to see what all the fuss was about. I honestly having been teaching myself and working with Divi, and am plucking my way around 3.0 like many others. Nonetheless, I have been curious about Beaver Builder (and now the others that you discussed as well). This video really piqued my interest to learn more about some of the other front end builders. Oh, and I subscribed to your channel. Thanks!

[@WPCrafter]

So happy to have you on the channel! Yes I personally like to keep an open mind when it comes things like this. I think Divi is great, but I personally use Beaver Builder. However when I get a projects that Divi would be a great fit, I will have no problems using it.

[@muchadesign]

Where can I find more information about the shortcode fix? You mentioned there was a snippet of code that would help with shortcode clean-up should you ever transition from one builder to another? Thanks for the video... currently in the process of choosing a builder for a client.

[@WPCrafter]

I made a video on it, just canter my videos and I'm sure you'll spot it.

[@marksurgeon3088]

Have you ever heard of prostyer theme? It comes with a theme but it is also allows complete customization.

[@WPCrafter]

Hey Mark, that is a theme built by a scammy Internet marketer, those types of things don't usually receive any kinds of updates for support that anyone would need to build a reliable business.

[@wilsonsilva3372]

I like divi as a base template, since it can be quite personalized, but as a visual editor I like more elementary. There will be problems of incompatibility or delay in the load of pages if I use divi as template but the content heating I do with elemental? An alternative would be Generatepress, but I did not manage to customize the menus as I wanted it to, if I succeeded with divi, that's why the question

[@WPCrafter]

I do recommend only using one page builder on your website.

[@amineunshakable1295]

You really put so much into these videos Adam ... Question 1 : what would you recommend for a website theme “Elemantor” or “Divi” ? Question2: can you design a website with elemantor and the front page with divi ? Can both be mixed into building a website

[@WPCrafter]

Sorry for the late reply, I have been sick. I recommend the Astra Theme, its pretty amazing. Yes you can use 2 page builders on the same website, but not the same page.

[@kimng2183]

hi, What do you think of Flatsome builder? what is its pro and con? THANKS

[@WPCrafter]

I don't believe that they have their own each builder, it is most likely visual composer.

[@JimGaliano]

I really liked the direction Thrive Themes was going in with their builder from a marketing perspective, their marketing elements are really outstanding. If Thrive had a plugin/addon for Beaver Builder that brought all of their marketing "stuff" into play, I'd buy a bottle of champagne and celebrate.

[@WPCrafter]

Yes, I wish that would happen! I do know that UABB is adding marketing modules like an evergreen countdown timer, light boxes, and a bunch of other things. I think the other add-on pack is doing this as well. I will say that Thrive has some really exciting stuff on the way, I can't get into those details, but their plugins will always be on my websites.

[@birgitbasballemadsen4907]

I love working with Elementor - thank you for this video.

[@WPCrafter]

You're welcome! Elementor is fantastic.

[@Blottingpaper]

Hey, great video I'm new to using wordpress and have been thinking about laying down cash for a professional theme, but the more I read about them the less certain I am. I've been looking at Divi and divi builder, but having read that you're locked into it once you start using was a negative. Also X Theme, Avada etc but they all seem to have drawbacks. On your word alone I installed Elementor and it looks like a powerful tool, but I'm still learning and as far as I can tell my pages will always be limited by the theme I've chosen and most of the free themes have plenty of drawbacks that mitigate their cost ($0). The deeper I dig into this the more complicated it gets, which I think is just like everything these days, nothing is or was ever simple. Again thanks for the unbiased video, I'm definitely coming back for more info from you.

[@321admin123]

Wow your explanations r soooo amazing! Why r more people not finding you?

[@WPCrafter]

Thank you A Star, I appreciate it & thanks for watching.

[@Websiteislandsdesign]

Beaver builder sounds good, you mentioned it does not work on post I think. But what if the site needs a blog, would you use another builder or just stick with the WP editor?

[@WPCrafter]

It works great on posts, but I don't use it on posts. I think what I was referring to, was designing the overall layout of a post, this is coming next year, and it will be a game changer.

[@Tylerlegault]

Great video with tons of great info! I suggest watching at 1.5x speed though, lol. After a few months of using Divi 3.0, how would you say it stacks up against beaver builder for building websites for small businesses?

[@WPCrafter]

Yes I suggest watching all my videos at that speed! Right now I think Beaver Builder is in the lead. Take a look at my most recent video on a product that they are about to logical Beaver Themer. It is truly a game changer.

[@Tylerlegault]

Awesome, thanks for your quick response! Keep doing what you're doing dude, amazing, valuable content that's very helpful!

[@fancypants2007]

If someone already has the Headway 3 theme, what is better: the Divi plugin or the Beaver Builder plugin? Or is it better not to use Headway with these. Thanks!

[@WPMinute]

What plugins are you referring to, to port over Divi shortcodes safely into a new theme? I e-mailed ET support and they haven't created a plugin or knew of a 3rd party plugin that did that.

[@WPCrafter]

I was revering to the functions found in this blog post victorfont.com/remove-divi-shortcodes-changing-themes/

[@chriswallace7798]

Hello! Have you used Site Origin Page Builder, and how does it compare to these?

[@WPCrafter]

Yes I have used it, but the problem that I have with that page builder is it's a back end page builder. I find it much more intuitive to build a page using a front end page builder where you can see everything as your building it.

[@chasx7062]

check out cornerstone and The X Theme thanks...divi is bloated....but elementor supposed to have a front-end button to activate it?

[@WPCrafter]

Not a fan of the Envato licensing. Purchase is only good for 1 site.

[@sophiaan6276]

Sir what Page Builder would you recommand for people who are new to wordpress :)

[@WPCrafter]

I would start with Elementor.

[@sophiaan6276]

So nice of you :)

[@kennedyfinecountry]

Which page builder allows you to build your headers like you build a row from scratch like live composer?

[@WPCrafter]

Beaver Builder does that. I am not sure with Divi and Elementor.

[@ericoseseko8322]

My local site uses php 5.3. I cannot use elementor. It asked for php 5.5 or above. Any plugin to increase my php to 5.5? Any Answer.

[@WPCrafter]

I'm not sure how you can update PHP on your local WordPress installation. I would recommend using a program that will make it a lot easier, take a look at my recent video on local by flywheel.

[@IanRidgwell]

The php version is set by your host. You'll need to work with whomever runs your website or whomever you are paying for your hosting service.

[@johanstam3602]

if you use Mamp you can download the PHP version you want. So if running an old installation it's a good idea to renew your install.

[@davidvwp]

Divi 3.0 is really slick - and i say that as a passionate BeaverBuilder user. I'd also say that Elementor is the next big thing, especially for addon developers. Really exticing what's going on in the Frontend Page Builder market right now. Can't wait to see BeaverBuilder 2.0 and their new interface! Great comparison Adam, good job!

[@WPCrafter]

Yes, great times if you are a website builder!

[@oliver312]

How about page builder from siteorigin? What's your opinion about it?

[@WPCrafter]

The problem with their page builder is it's all done in the back and and is not intuitive at all. The learning curve will be very steep and you will still end up with a slow website built on top of shortcodes.

[@monjesmedia]

Great video. Thank you! I'm a Beaver Builder user, but, I'm also curious about Divi and now Elementor.

[@WPCrafter]

Thank you for such a supportive comment and having an open mind with these things! That is my feeling EXACTLY.

[@mustafanoon]

I'm already using 2 page builders for my WordPress website and I'd like to give Elementor a try too so using too many page builders, could it break my website?

[@WPCrafter]

No, but it may load a little slower.

[@LionelJohnston]

How about if there is already an older elements theme? Is converting to 3.0 a big job and big change?

[@WPCrafter]

Yes it is a dangerous thing to do unfortunately. Just make sure you have a good backup before you attempt to upgrade.

[@LionelJohnston]

Glad I asked. Thanks a lot.

[@al-hamzaabdullah9188]

hey I had a question maybe a video suggestion too. now if im selling websites for clients is there a way to change the current into their own name. so on the source page they can see its not a page builder but a custom theme under their own name. thanks :)

[@WPCrafter]

You can change that is the theme's css file.

[@willpursell]

I am convinced to change from Themeco X Pro to Elementor! Since I am locked into all these nasty shortcodes, is there a way to quickly remove all the markup Themeco created so I an re build with Elementor?

[@Peppermint1]

Cannot properly talk about 'page builder' when we are stuck with the theme structure.

[@WPCrafter]

Why not?

[@Peppermint1]

The 'theme' design in Wordpress it's a standardization of web building. I mean, we are stuck with the 'header-footer' elements, which is a great limitation to start with. Any page builder or editor plugin can only change parts/areas of the content. Page builder name is a bit of exaggeration, it should be named more like 'theme content modifier'. Just my rant against the constraints of using 'themes' in Wordpress.

[@WPCrafter]

Well that is entirely changing as we speak. Beaver Builder has a way of creating headers and footers and I know for a fact that Elementor and DVR building this as well. Oh and let's not forget Thrive Architect which is going to make it so you can build your entire website with it.

[@elit6366]

Hi! I love your tutorials, very clear for me, as I’m from spain and my English is so-so. A qüestion for you. I work with divi, but I have a site with easy digital downloads (edd). But divi does’t have product pages and checkout and so stylish for this. You know if Astra theme is stylish for edd as it is for woocommerce? Thank you so much for your time and your good work.

[@jarvisstevenson8860]

what do you suggest for a countdown clock?

[@WPCrafter]

This question would be better answered based upon which page builder you use because many of them already have a countdown timer built in.

[@chasx7062]

i noticed that thrive does not replace the wp textbox but appends their content to the box Question is how do you remove thrive content from listing pages like on the categories pages? thanks

[@WPCrafter]

I don't think there is an option on which page types to have it added to.

[@jeffkyle6910]

Love your thorough videos! I have been using the paid Ultra theme from Themify that has the Themify Builder built in (available as a standalone plugin). I've been using it for the last few years but am considering switching since with every new update, something seems to break on our sites. Their support can be quite slow to respond. I don't see that you have reviewed the Themify Builder yet in comparison to other page builders. I was just curious as to why you haven't reviewed it. Thank you.

[@WPCrafter]

In my more recent version of this video, posted 2 months ago, I do address Themify Builder. I gave it really low marks though.

[@jeffkyle6910]

Thanks. Can you please provide a link to the updated video? I can’t seem to find it. I’m very interested to hear your opinions.

[@WPCrafter]

www.wpcrafter.com/wordpress-page-builders-compared/

[@jeffkyle6910]

Thank you. FYI, Themify recently updated their framework which is intended to eliminate the content lock-in issue. As soon as WordPress 4.9 came out, however, we are already seeing bugs related to this feature. Seriously considering switching to Elementor Pro or Beaver Builder based on your reviews. We have the need to be able to style single post, archives, sidebars, etc. without having to use a bunch of custom CSS. I know Beaver Themer is built to handle this. Are there any reliable solutions for Elementor Pro that are similar to Beaver Themer or other ways to more easily style these areas?

[@WPCrafter]

Elementor has told me in February or March they will have their own theme builder type of functionality. I will be switching my website to Elementor as soon this is available.

[@davidglabais4919]

hello, thanks for the video. If you build a site with Elementor or Divi etc do you just import that theme once its finished into a Wordpress installation from the Wordpress dashboard? Im looking to upgrade my website to a CMS like Wordpress but im not a coder so the front end builder would be great. Thanks

[@WPCrafter]

No that is not how it works. You would install WordPress and then at the page builder and start building the website. These tools do allow you to export what you've created and then import them into other websites that already have the page builder installed.

[@davidglabais4919]

WPCrafter.com WordPress For Non-Techies ah great okay got it. It's actually a plugin for Wordpress. I've got it working and thanks to your videos.

[@akistepinska]

I really appreciate you trying to stay objective and address the fact that depending on who asks the questions, they may need different products. I also don't like any kind of 'purists' - WordPress purists, etc. ;-) Just silly to me.

[@meganmandala3174]

Thanks for the great video. Has Thrive Themes now fixed their full width page problem?

[@WPCrafter]

Yes they have. They have improved the most.

[@meganmandala3174]

WPCrafter.com WordPress For Non-Techies Thanks so much for the response :)

[@adnanahmed8945]

hey Adam. how you make your web cam video in circle shape. i mean which software you are using

[@WPCrafter]

I have a video on it. But I use Camtasia.

[@grantkahale8933]

What page builder would you recommend for a super coder? someone who's customising alot with CSS? and using z-index to overlap content with advanced layouts. Currently I use visual composer but sometimes it can be abit buggy.

[@WPCrafter]

Well obviously a super coder doesn't need a page builder. It's not about needing a page builder though it's about using a tool that will save you time. If you want a more visually beautiful page, your best bet is to use Elementor because it has very modern design features that other page builders don't have.

[@emmapage8926]

Hello Team, What's your take on wordpress theme builder TemplateToaster?

[@WPCrafter]

Never heard of it.

[@emmapage8926]

ok, You may now like to know about :)

[@lorimast]

Do you have any resources or suggestions to someone who has decided they want to learn how to be a developer? I'm going to start classes in the fall, but I want to learn some on my own as well. Thanks so much for these videos!!!

[@ortonom]

I'm curious, why isn't Visual Composer included in your review,? They have more users than all these page builders combined and are cheaper.

[@WPCrafter]

I address that in my 2016 version of this video, where I compare 11 different page builders.

[@ortonom]

WPCrafter.com WordPress For Non-Techies Thank you for the response. To confirm, does that mean the page builders in this review are better? In other words, Visual Composer didn't make the cut for 2017? BTW - I'm a long-time ThriveTheme user.

[@WPCrafter]

Visual composer is not popular at all. The only reason people use it is because they have to, they didn't by choice. Many themes on Theme Forest have it deeply integrated, so people that buy those themes have no choice. This is the only reason people use it. I have yet to meet 1 person who uses Visual Composer by choice.

[@groundedinhope7102]

Thanks for all of your work. Great reviews and outlook!

[@WPCrafter]

You're welcome!

[@michelemize]

You mention that there are numerous solutions on the Internet to easily get rid of shortcodes making Divi lock-in a non-issue. Can you point to a good one?

[@WPCrafter]

You can see me do it right here kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpqrZKKNoc5le80

[@ItsDevOps]

Can you build menu items or is that depending on the theme that I activated? Great video very helpful.

[@WPCrafter]

That depends. You can manually create the menu if you wanted. But you would need a page builder that offers global settings. None of the free page builders do this, but the paid version of Elementor, the paid version of Beaver Builder and Divi do. Unfortunately Thrive content builder does not have global settings.

[@ItsDevOps]

WPCrafter.com WordPress For Non-Techies Thank you so much, I will test run the page builders and decide on what package to buy. Thank you once again.

[@WPCrafter]

Yes it's really a good idea to test them all yourself.

[@LisaHanfileti]

Thanks for reviewing these different page builders. It was very helpful. Have you ever used the Profit Builder plugin? I'm not sure if it is as good for a general business website as Elementor and the others you reviewed here.

[@WPCrafter]

Hey Lisa, yes I have heard of profit builder and they do have a new version of it coming out. Now here is the problem with plug-ins like profit builder, they are created by Internet marketers, what that means is you buy it and it will be filled with bugs and you'll get substandard support, and if you do end up using the plug-in you will deeply regret it.

[@galgatot4057]

hi Adam, i'm a non-techies, but i have clients doing my websites, maintenance & SEO. My websites is currently using wp with genesis, when i saw DIVI or Elementor or Thrive, Beaver Builder i love them, my question can i install one of them into my genesis? does it affect something the SEO, performance, etc? plz explain thx

[@WPCrafter]

Yes you can use any of these page builders with Genesis. There will be no negative repercussions from an SEO perspective.

[@galgatot4057]

Got it, but how about the other perspective, is there any negative repercussions?thx Adam.

[@WPCrafter]

There are zero negative repercussions from using the page builder to build your website.

[@galgatot4057]

Adam, u r amazing....tq

[@russells777]

just curious, i think you mentioned in one of your videos that you are using several page builders simultaneously for various reasons. How is your experience with that? Would you recommend it?

[@WPCrafter]

Yes I did, I was using a different page builder for adding landing pages only to my website. So at the time I was indeed using two-page filters on the same site and it was perfectly fine really.

[@russells777]

Thank you!

[@maremiru]

Great content, great arguments. Still, one question here: I am old time user of Genesis Framework by Studiopress, I integrated a child theme with BB. For me kind of best of two vendors. Or would you rather prefer BB's own themes? (which I never tried out) For me, SEO and performance and "growth driven design" are the main selectors. (I hope that BB or Studiopress come up with an integrated A/B or that some good vendor does a plugin of its own, which would be in high demand if well done, that opens a new thread!)

[@WPCrafter]

The only issue I have with StudioPress themes is, they are not good for non coders. Those people that don't want to learn any CSS or PHP. So the BB Theme gives you plenty of customizer options. I usually like to give the advice to pick 1 theme and master it. Regarding split testing, I do know of a reputable developer that is building it, but I could almost guarantee that it will never a native feature in BB.

[@Gr8ph1cs]

Great video! Out of the page builders that are paid, which is the best? Is Elementor Pro as good? Elegant themes has some other great plugins.

[@WPCrafter]

I think for the most impressive design it would be Elementor Pro.

[@ericstrickland6015]

so what is the short code that you talk about add?

[@WPCrafter]

Hey Eric, can you clarify? I haven't watch this video in months so I'm not clear on what I might have said and what you are asking about.

[@ericstrickland6015]

about divi messing up the code if you changed themes

[@WPCrafter]

Hey Eric, yes whenever you use Divi if you were to switch and use a different page builder or no page builder at all you're left with a gibberish of shortcodes. Your choices to run those pages through a process which I detail in a different video or to completely remake those pages from scratch.

[@ericstrickland6015]

so how do you do that sir?

[@ericstrickland6015]

so what kind of code could i use if i did switch theme or builder?

[@GenderlessEnigma]

Adam! Thank you for including Elementor. I knew you'd find it a very good option in the world of front-end page builders for WP. And it's free! I still agree that Beaver Builder is the best - and it's only getting better... They have an amazing team and they're continuing to make massive improvements. I'm going to do research on Divi 3.0 - I need to see if it can compete with the others. As far as Thrive, I've seen the builder in action in one of your previous videos and did not like the layout of the builder - not as easy to use as the others. I'll give them another chance once they announce their next version like you mentioned. Overall, I think that was a great and honest comparison!

[@WPCrafter]

Thank you for your comment here. I tried my hardest to be 100% fair to all of them. And yes, you are proving my point development stages, where Thrive needs its update sooner then later. And Elementor is so feature packed, it's hard to imagine what a paid version would bring. Thank you for your support!

[@spre2333]

What do you think about site origin?

[@WPCrafter]

It's a back end page builder, so its a different category then the ones I talked about. I am not a fan of it at all. Not intuitive, hard to work with. If you want a free page builder I would go with Elementor.

[@dalvinderster]

WPCrafter.com WordPress For Non-Techies hi I used site origin worked fine with me . I am naive in terms of Web design. I tried to elementor but it went to blank page. so I went to site origin. any suggestions for me?

[@julienmarre4836]

Hey Adam, thanks. Any about Upfront?

[@WPCrafter]

Yes its there, I am not aware of anyone that uses it at all though.

[@rozykhan485]

adam Please tell me which is best page builder for a Freelancer which page builder does like client

[@amampathak]

amazing video , thank you for your recommendation , I didn't have the budget to buy a page builder and been using elementor and its awesome! Sure beaver or divi can have some deluxe feature, but If you want to be fair, one should compare the free version of beaver with elementor and see the difference for themselves!

[@WPCrafter]

Great point on comparing the free version of both. Elementor does have a paid version that is out now. I have it and have to say that it is fantastic.

[@landalane3322]

I started building my first blog website 8 months ago, with absolutely no knowledge going into it. But I feel like a cat chasing its tail, regardless of countless hours of watching YT videos and asking on FB groups. Then here I stumbled across your video and wonder if it is because I have been using Site Origin Builder this whole time. I didn't know there was a difference between front-end and back-end builders, or is that the purpose of creating a child theme? And would you suggest using Elementor instead of Site Origin? If so, how hard would it be to switch over?

[@WPCrafter]

You are going to have a much easier and much more enjoyable experience using a front and page builder like Elementor. I highly recommend making a switch. Now the bad part is when you use site origin builder there is a lock-in effect meaning you can't use a new front-end page builder on pages that you built with site origin.

[@landalane3322]

WPCrafter.com WordPress For Non-Techies Thank you so much for the heads up! Thankfully I have not gotten that far into building my site, so then I could just create new pages with Elementor and delete the ones created with Site Origin? And what would you suggest using to create my posts? The posts then can be added into a page using a widget, correct?

[@blazingdan]

Great videos. I own and use (or have used) all four of these, and I'd consider myself an intermediate user. For anyone who cares for my impressions, read on. Otherwise, move along...move along. :) Elementor. Looks great, but waiting to see how the Pro version plays out (which I just preordered at a great price). The free version is very solid. Don't have any experience with support, etc. Divi. I tried so hard to love Divi and have had a lifetime license since WAY back. It just never really clicked for me intuitively. The support is ok. Average. The new version looks great, but still didn't stick. Thrive. I own unlimited licenses for Builder, Landing Pages, and Leads. So much freaking potential, but I could never stick with the builder because it just felt so clunky and unintuitive to me. Thrive Leads is a very solid product and one that I often fall back on for lack of quality alternatives. My biggest problem with Thrive has been the support. It's been unresponsive and unhelpful, and at times the language barriers seem to be a problem (either that or they're just not reading my posts). It was like pulling teeth trying to get them to walk me through some Mad Mimi integration problems I was having. They kept just forgetting to reply and once they got back to it, it was someone else who I had to bring up to speed again (despite the entire conversation being right there). Suffice it to say, very frustrating. Beaver Builder. The one I keep coming back to. When I start a new project, I often get out a new tool, but then quickly reload BB and get to work. It's the most intuitive for me, though I realize that is subjective. It makes sense to me though, and that means so much for an intermediate user like me who can get confused easily. It's got most of the features I want and it has a fantastic development team. Most important, the support staff has been amazing from day one, constantly going above and beyond for me. I'm pretty sure I need to be paying Ben Carlo a cut of anything I earn going forward. Anyways, that's where I'm at for what it's worth. I'm starting a new project now and trying to see how Elementor and GeneratePress will work. Hopefully I will be able to stick with it before just going back to Beaver for this one, too. :)

[@WPCrafter]

I am with you on EVERYTHING. Like we think alike!

[@ameramin650]

There is no mention of Siteorigin here. Any comments?

[@WPCrafter]

Thats because this is about Front End page builders, siteorigin is a back end page builder.

[@FaithJRB]

Thanks for your comprehensive information. Very helpful for a relative newbie looking for good advice Cheers :)

[@PortlandOregonHomes]

your link doesn't take me to the comparison page on your site. Just your front page without a clear path to the page you mentioned with side by side, up to date, comparison information

[@WPCrafter]

Yes, thank you for point this out. It is forthcoming, most likely later today and I will be updating the link.

[@khalidcasawi9728]

Thanks, those all are amazing products and this video is really informative. Just one though Adam, please give Divi 3.0 a chance to use it and give it a better review, what's good/bad about it because you seemed not familiar with it and you've mentioned that, but that is widely used as you know. Hope you do a video just about Divi front builder. Thanks again I'm enjoying your videos ^^

[@WPCrafter]

Of course I will be. But the point I was making is even if I did add that to this video. In a month it can all change and most likely will.

[@danielnyame8664]

Hello sir, could you please recommend a very good WordPress theme for me?

[@WPCrafter]

Yes, Astra Theme.

[@HelloyeloNo1]

What do you think of Enfold Theme builder?

[@WPCrafter]

I have tried it, and I don't really like it. I prefer a front end page builder that isn't tied to a theme. Essentially if you use a page builder tied to a theme now you're tied to that theme, you are now locked in.

[@avinashshahi4327]

Hey if i am using a theme amd i want to customise it can i use any page builder or css editor to do that if the theme dosen't have option to edit?

[@WPCrafter]

If you want to customize a theme, that usually involves changing the CSS or some of the template files. You can certainly do that if you wanted.

[@mariamedward4052]

help please .... elementor drag drop deosnot work with me I can not edit anything :( :( I do not know if I should change some setting or what ?

[@BrockBarr]

My issue work Divi is the base theme, it's very limiting particularly with type.

[@kenttheboomer721]

Someone post a link for explanations of terms like page builder vs. theme builder, front end, back end.

[@WPCrafter]

I'll be happy to help you. What I show in this video are page builders. There is no such thing as a theme builder. Now when it comes to page builders there's front and that's where you are building your page visually, in a what you see is what you get fashion. A backend page builder is when you're building your page you don't actually get to see how it's going to look while you build it.

[@kenttheboomer721]

WPCrafter.com WordPress For Non-Techies Gotcha. Thanks.

[@sophiaan6276]

You are a great Teacher!

[@WPCrafter]

Your welcome Sophia! Thanks for watching.

[@sophiaan6276]

:)

[@jimmyvu226]

Adam, what do you think about themify builder???. i think their theme look beautiful and themify also have tons of features. their price also very nice also. pls make more video compare different page builder like this. love all your contents also

[@WPCrafter]

A Jimmy, I will take another look at that builder, attend to not be drawn to builders like that or they are primarily tied to a theme and don't have a large user base. This is why a primarily like to use Elementor and Beaver Builder, because both are designed to work with any. However I will take a fresh look at it and post the video on it.

[@jimmyvu226]

that would be aweome, i saw them recently release separate for non-themify theme, make be not as good as beaverbuider or elementor but at least they try. beside, their Ultra theme quite powerfull(in my opinion) u really can build tons of website with so many cool feature. i seriously want to buy membership to support their development. i love the one time fee(like divi or themify) 99$/year beaver builder sound reasonable; but again on wordpress development u have to spend so much annual fee(many plugin, services, theme...) it is really attractive for something u can just pay and forget about it.

[@WPCrafter]

Yes it is definitely worth looking at and to make a solid review of. So look out for it in the coming week.

[@2k9flash]

Whats the difference between Back End and Font End page builder ?

[@WPCrafter]

Where you build the page content.

[@danielcrotty8141]

How about a review on wpbakery Website Builder? its been out a while and there is almost nothing out here about it.

[@btr909]

Cornerstone is not only bundled with the X Theme. You can use it Standalone for 39$.

[@WPCrafter]

Yes cornerstone has a much smaller user base then all of these page builders. It's important to note that the standalone version for $39, you are strictly only allowed to use it on one website. Also cornerstone is not GPL licensed.

[@johnlandry65]

I have watched a number of your videos and am trying to choose what theme and page builder I am going to choose. I just watched this video on the 4 best page builders highlighting Divi, Beaver, Thrive and Elementor. Since you published this video you seemed to change from liking Beaver the most to favoring Elementor. I am interested in all 4 for different reasons. I am going to be building a site for my businesses that are all connected. We have a real estate brokerage, an architecture firm and a construction company that are all tied together. On our site we are going to need to have portfolios to show our work and will also be integrating an and IDX to show all the listings in our MLS. We will be using Showcase IDX to accomplish that. I think the website is going to be complex organizationally. We want the site to demonstrate the value to our clients of our experience and expertise in all three areas. We intend to focus on inbound marketing integrating an informative video blog on the site that be connected to our social media accounts and youtube channel. That said I think that the list building tools that Thrive can provide are very interesting with A/B testing of calls to action. I also find the A/B testing of Divi's pages also to be of value. I think based on all you have said that using Generate Press with Elementor Pro would be the strongest tool to develop a beautiful site on a builder that would not leave a short code mess behind if removed. That is what originally attracted me to Beaver Builder. Beaver seems to also have a great reputation as far as support is concerned and are a company that is here to stay. On top of that I am thinking about our future and eventually integrating a good CRM and Marketing platform likely starting with Mailchimp and possibly moving up to either Infusionsoft or Hubspot. I am not sure how all of that will integrate and if each of the page builders are developing tools to compete with each other. Hoping you can shed some light on what you think might be best for our situation and hopefully you know more about what is coming down the pike for each of these builders. Out of curiosity what do you think about Ark Theme which seems to be another all inclusive theme like Divi, X, Avada, etc.

[@WPCrafter]

Hey John, yes I do have info on what new versions are coming out for each of these builders. It sounds like you have done all of your homework though and have some what of the grasp on what each of them bring to the table. First off let me say that I avoid those bloated themes like X and Avada, so that other theme that you mentioned at the end of your comment would fall in that category. Those are just not tools that I would use to base my business on. Now regarding the evolution of the page builders that I talked about, I have remained pretty consistent in that on my website that's tied to this KZbin channel I use Beaver Builder, and I have several other sites that I use Elementor on. I do have a video comparing Beaver Builder to Elementor which pretty much explains why you would choose one or the other. You should also take a look at a product called Beaver Themer that works with the Beaver Builder. Essentially that's the product that kept me with Beaver Builder versus switching to Elementor. I have an entire video series on it. Let me talk about A/B split testing for a moment. Most websites just don't get enough traffic to have any meaningful split test happen. Now if you're going to purchase traffic via advertisements then maybe you would get enough traffic, but if you're just gonna put a website out there without some serious marketing dollars behind it or a strong content marketing strategy, split testing is pretty much useless. Personally I've never been excited about Divi and the way that Divi websites look. So ultimately I can't really make a decision for you, and I know that's not what you're asking. My best advice would be to take a look at Beaver Themer and see if that could fit in your plan and then decide between the three main page builders.

[@johnlandry65]

I am curious about your comment regarding Beaver Themer. I had been leaning to Elementor with WP Ocean and then I recently earned about Beaver Themer and thought that could be a game changer and allow for a lot more power in creating anything and changing the look of the site at any time without ever having to recreate any content or layouts. Do you think that the benefits of Beaver Themer far outweighs Elementor's design capabilities? One of the things that had me leaning to Elementor was the inclusion of a portfolio tool. Then I saw that WP Ocean also has a portfolio tool. do you think it is better to have the portfolio tool as part of the theme or in the builder? Due to one of your videos, I am thinking about WP Ocean, Astra or WPBF with Beaver Builder and Beaver Themer. Do either Astra or WPBF have plans to include a portfolio tool or do you know if Beaver Builder is going to add a portfolio to at some point soon? In addition to Beaver and Elementor, I had looked into Thrive Builder but did not like it. However, I am interested in what they are doing with Thrive Leads. I know in your video you commented on one of Elementor's strengths was its form builder. How do you think Thrive's or OptinMonster's lead forms builder compare. What has me looking to those is all of their different triggers and their API tied into HubSpot, Infusionsoft and Mail Chimp which are some products I am looking into. Do you have any thought on Thrive leads vs OptinMonster. If I did use Thrive Leads plugin do you know if there would be a conflict between it and Beaver or Elementor? Thanks so much for your videos by the way. They are very Informative. I will be sure to make any purchases through one of your affiliate links.

[@WPCrafter]

Hey John, there are a lot of questions in your comment, LOL. For me I need what Beaver Themer has, so even though I would prefer to use Elementor, I can't because I need what Beaver Themer has. But if someone doesn't need what Beaver Themer does, I think Elementor is the best page builder in just about every regard. You can easily add a portfolio to any theme or page builder, but I do understand that it's easier if a theme or page builder has the specific feature built in. Also I just put out a video on Thrive Architect which is the new page builder from Thrive themes. I'm not a fan of OptinMonster, I think it's overpriced for what it does. Especially for WordPress users because we have alternatives. However I do understand using it if you're using a platform that is not WordPress, that is where it shines.

[@Realvedmak1]

Thumbs Up and Subbed. Very solid comparison.

[@WPCrafter]

Happy to have you!

[@AkirakaMizu]

My question is "Do I even need a page builder?" I have been looking into page builders on and off for the last 6 months now (Divi is finally off the table for me), now knowing that I would also have to get a theme on top of it, I am fed up looking at the page builders and just want to get back to developing my blog. Yes I want it to look good (and unique) but the point is the content. I am also Wordpress obsessed, hence the 6 month dive for page builders. If you read the whole thing thx in advance for reading my rant. :)

[@lanshadulizhan]

why not visual composer? it is very popular in the themeforest.

[@WPCrafter]

Visual composer is a really poor page builder. It will slow down your website because it's based on shortcodes. The only reason there are a lot of sales is because it's integrated in a lot of themes that are also sold in that marketplace. This is the only reason it is perceived to be popular, it's not popular, people are just forced to use it.

[@Gr8ph1cs]

That is interesting, I thought it was also a top page builder. I find I need to buy a lot of extra plugins to get it to work properly.

[@swistakos2442]

Hello, I trying to find a solution for my Problem. Maybe Some Of You Can Help Me... I'm singing a Zerif Theme With Element Page Builder and For Some Reason, I Can't Edit My Front Page With Elementor. Of course, I've seen an Elementor Docs and there is advice about a Content in My Theme. I try to put this almost everywhere but it's not working:( any directly Advice From WPCRAFTER or anybody who's read it?

[@WPCrafter]

I would suggest using a free plug-in that I worked with some people to release, it's called full with page templates. It's hosted on WordPress.org and there's a video in the listing that shows you how to use it. You can solve your problem with three mouse clicks.

[@swistakos2442]

Thanks For This, This Will Help me to create a landing Pages. But i can't change a static front page in my theme anyway :( this is a problem that a theme does not let my ready pages turn up on front page :(. Besides I don't have a front Page In my Dashboard in all Pages Menu (what is pretty Wierd for Me). and Elementor Can't be Use to customize :(.. Could You Make Some Advice with PHP File in ZERIF LITE THEME? or sugest me to use a different (similar theme)?

[@PortlandOregonHomes]

Also, you mentioned that blog posts are great for these page builders and I would agree. Using beaver builder to create a template for blog posts is challenging and the formatting is not 100% wysiwyg

[@WPCrafter]

Yes this is going to be something very unique to Beaver Builder, if they can pull it off. I can finally be the only theme builder combo one would ever need.

[@lifegpt]

I've loaded elementor on wamp and it doesnt let me drag and drop widgets etc so is this down to it being on wamp

[@WPCrafter]

It should work fine, it does for me. You can ask their support, they are very helpful.

[@tiborcsakvari1492]

Hi Adam. I am a WP beginner and I would like to ask you some questions. I am thinking to use a paid builder. I am thinking about Divi, Elementor and Beaver Builder. What I like in Divi and Beaver Builder that they do have a theme but Elementor does not have. If I would like to use Elementor, I would also need to buy a theme framework... Am I right? As I see you have experiences with all 3? What would you suggest? I know that Elementor is developing ang getting better very fast but does not have a theme. Could you please write down some pros and cons of all 3? Thank you for your help in advance!

[@WPCrafter]

I wouldn't get hung up on the issue of Elementor not selling their own theme. In fact many people don't even use the Beaver Builder theme with Beaver Builder, they use GeneratePress which I also recommend to use with Elementor. Now regarding Divi, the reason everyone uses the Divi theme is because you're forced to.

[@tiborcsakvari1492]

Adam, thanks for the quick reply. I think as I read from your words, you prefer Elementor more than Divi. Am I right? Do you think that the free version of GeneratePress is good enough or better to buy the paid version? If I buy Divi, I can get a lot of theme. Is it worth it? Elementor comes with a lot of beautiful layout. I am also a bit confused that a theme is better or a layout or what is the exact difference...

[@WPCrafter]

Your theme is going to facilitate creating the header and the footer of your website and setting all the global styles throughout your website. I strongly recommend the paid version of GeneratePress because it's going to give you many more options for all of these settings. I personally am not the biggest fan of Divi however I am trying to spend more time with it. There's a large migration of people that have been using Divi for a long time and they are all switching to Elementor.

[@tiborcsakvari1492]

Thanks a lot!

[@deathzone5893]

I've been trying too hard to understand all the settings on wordpress themes and plugins and it would be a lot easier to see what i'm typing and to drag and drop images on the front end page instead of clicking another 1000 times getting more overwhelmed. I'm wanting to make websites to sell products and promote hotels and flighs affiliate marketing to make some commissions. I am a newbie at wordpress that is getting very overwhelmed and getting confused and frustrated trying to figure out how everything works would you recommenced divi or elementor what one should I go with

[@WPCrafter]

I find that Elementor is a lot easier to use than Divi. Both page builders have very strong communities around them which is a huge asset but I like the direction that Elementor is headed and I find that it's easier to use. Also if you're starting out on a budget, it is the most full-featured free page builder for WordPress.

[@JsCing]

what about themify?

[@WPCrafter]

Not a fan, its one of those that are built into a theme, not a large user base.

[@JsCing]

thank you

[@PatientZeroBalisong]

Themify made our website super, super slow. I loved the magazine theme but it just didn't have the speed. Now i'm using XTheme / cornerstone... want divi but that yearly fee scares me.

[@swistakos2442]

I agree with Themify. Brilliant Design, everything's Looks amazing but performance is rubbish.

[@PatientZeroBalisong]

I'm now using sahifa.. probably best template I've used.. not really a builder.. kind of.

[@xtc-jewelry]

OMG you are so wonderful. Great job and I learn so much from you. Keep up the great job you are doing. abby

[@WPCrafter]

Thanks Abby.

[@syarifnm3047]

hey sir, how about theme builder not page builder ? can u give us recomendtion ? cuz, page builder is just for page, not entire theme. so we can build entire theme with just drag and drop the elements. and we can save it and have acces for the theme files, like index.php, etc. lastly we can upload it for our wordpress thanks

[@WPCrafter]

Right now there is only one available on the market and it's named Beaver Themer. However in the next month or so Elementor Pro is going to be adding the features to it so you can build your entire design using Elementor Pro.

[@uptagetnamn]

Hey man just wanted to say great video!

[@WPCrafter]

Thank you Jerring & thanks for watching.

[@ericalexander1246]

Can a PayPal button be added on these page builders ?

[@WPCrafter]

Of course, on all of them.

[@chasx7062]

Just tell us which is more intuitive, and fast loading for the web surfers

[@cartoonsmr]

theme for job site for free??

[@WPCrafter]

None that I am aware of.

[@jarvisstevenson8860]

which plugin is easier

[@WPCrafter]

That's more of a personal thing, but I think for me Elementor is the easiest to use.

[@FaithJRB]

Thank you for the comprehensive information. Very helpful to a relative newbie looking for good advice. Cheers :)

[@WPCrafter]

You're welcome!

[@SaeedMasri]

Hi, Thanks for a great video, I thought Visual composer will be is this video, Have you tried themify.me or themler.com ?

[@WPCrafter]

Well thats part of the point of the video, there are going to be all these little niche, fringe builders, that I personally don't even think should be part of the conversation. It's the ones that have the greatest chance is wide spread adoption, the strongest momentum, and a strong financial backing, that are not going to fizzle out.

[@ahmedabdelkhalek3489]

Useful video, let's go with Elementor then :)

[@WPCrafter]

Thanks for watching Ahmed Abdelkhalek!