What is the Christian Reformed Church in North America (CRCNA)?

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@AaronVriesman
@AaronVriesman 10 ай бұрын
As a pastor in the CRC, you did a good job covering us. One thing to add. 10:35 Those two Calvin University professors professors were reprimanded for those comments and one of them left Calvin University as a result.
@jacobortega3424
@jacobortega3424 10 ай бұрын
I visited your website before offering this question and it seemed that you do your best to show sides. What’s more important, the unity of a denomination or preaching Gods word from the Bible? Id say there’s too much focus on people in these discussion. We exist to praise and obey him.
@AaronVriesman
@AaronVriesman 10 ай бұрын
@@jacobortega3424 what do you mean by accepting homosexuality? Homosexual sex is sin as the video says.
@AaronVriesman
@AaronVriesman 10 ай бұрын
@@jacobortega3424 we at The Abide Project believe there is no unity when Scripture is being compromised
@newtonbrook
@newtonbrook 10 ай бұрын
What he says about peppermints is 100% truth. He showed the premium high end Queen Wilhelmina mints. Most congregants use the more common King mints. They are both available at Dutch stores.
@NathanWynstra
@NathanWynstra 10 ай бұрын
Absolute classic
@michaelstokes8
@michaelstokes8 10 ай бұрын
This is gonna be a niche comment, but my partner is a member of the CRC and im an Anglican, this is gonna be so useful for me to have on hand!!! Thank you!
@aLadNamedNathan
@aLadNamedNathan 10 ай бұрын
Partner?
@BramptonAnglican
@BramptonAnglican 10 ай бұрын
My roommate is CRC. I’m Anglican myself. We are working on our church’s joining in communion
@leullakew9579
@leullakew9579 10 ай бұрын
@@aLadNamedNathan Partner in this context may be directly synonymous with significant other - whether they be a fiancé (engaged couple), a person they’re dating (boyfriend or girlfriend), or spouse (husband or wife).
@aLadNamedNathan
@aLadNamedNathan 10 ай бұрын
@@leullakew9579 It could be--but unlikely. After homosexuals started using this term, heterosexuals dropped it in favor of husband/wife, fiance/fiancee, boyfriend/girlfriend.
@leullakew9579
@leullakew9579 10 ай бұрын
@@aLadNamedNathan I would agree, but it’s really a shame that the LGBT movement now dominate in the use of the term to the extent that it’s now taboo for non-affirming/non-LGBT endorsing heterosexual couples to use. I’d generally go for the term significant other if I would want to be vague about their gender for privacy reasons or when talking about something that can apply to both genders in a romantic relationship (but the term significant other may be too strongly linked to marriage depending on the context or sociolect and may not always work when someone is trying to describe something that is relevant to several stages or romantic relationships (like dating, engagement, and marriage). To be honest though, I’ve rarely every used the term “partner” in this context personally, but I know that it’s used a lot in very technical and dispassionate situations like news reports, police reports, etc. in the same way “deceased” and “domicile” are used when talking about someone’s “death” and “home” respectively.
@mehrcat1
@mehrcat1 10 ай бұрын
I'm a rabid atheist and thoroughly enjoy these highly informative videos. Keep up the good work!
@RonJohn63
@RonJohn63 10 ай бұрын
You're going to die soon? (I'm content being a plain atheist.)
@squiddwizzard8850
@squiddwizzard8850 10 ай бұрын
You should probably get a rabies vaccine while you still can. Go to the hospital.
@littlejohn590
@littlejohn590 10 ай бұрын
I know you might not like this comment, but I hope you do find god. Anyway glad to see you here.
@donalddodson7365
@donalddodson7365 10 ай бұрын
@mehrcat1 How wonderful that you find Joshua's research and videos interesting. I don't recall a time I was an a-theist. However, I had to recognize human religious boxes and denominationalisms separate from the concepts of Diety and Spirit. All the very best to you. Blessings. (PS: I think the Meerkat is a most fascinating creature. ded)
@RonJohn63
@RonJohn63 10 ай бұрын
​@@squiddwizzard8850 too late. He dead.
@Tunafish262
@Tunafish262 10 ай бұрын
I grew up in the CRC church before I became Catholic. I have been waiting for this video!! Thanks and I can't wait to watch it
@Boiledchickenleg
@Boiledchickenleg 6 ай бұрын
Stop being catholic
@johanlugthart7782
@johanlugthart7782 10 ай бұрын
As a Dutch guy going to a Reformed Church in the Netherlands, it's interesting to see the differences and similarities. And yes of course I had some Peppermint during the sermon. (So normal for me, that I find it funny to hear that it is not normal elsewhere. ;-) )
@greggi47
@greggi47 10 ай бұрын
I really enjoy your explications of so many denominations. Some are more or less familiar to me, others are entirely unknown. Every time, you present documented, non-judgmental and comprehensible information. You are a fantastic teacher.
@lloydhemstreet3226
@lloydhemstreet3226 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for this video. As someone who grew up outside of the denomination, but now serves as a Minister of the Word in the CRC, you got a lot right! One issue that is currently being further debated and clarified is that of Gravamen 3:37 . What you detailed, with the ability to take exceptions, was put forward late 2022 by our church order professor. However, Synod 2023 was going to repudiate and overturn that explanation, before some delegates orchestrated a walk out, and postponed the vote until Synod 2024. For any that want to hear the other side of this issue, look up the “Abide Project” on Substack, and the series “A More Accurate History of Gravamen.”
@csg9095
@csg9095 10 ай бұрын
For a non-Dutch Reformed, I’m strangely excited about this video. I’ve been looking forward to it for so long!
@Comrade_Alpaca
@Comrade_Alpaca Ай бұрын
Great video as always! I would love a video covering the URCNA. I am a member of one and would love to have a neat summary of my denomination's beliefs. That way, I can better understand my own denomination and have a way of explaining to others the URCNA's position. P.S. There's a man at my church who often eats mints during the service. I always found it interesting, and even started doing it myself as it helps me stay focused. I guess I now know why he does this LOL. One service, I watched him crunch through an entire roll of them XD
@garymiedema642
@garymiedema642 7 ай бұрын
You deserve credit for an exceptionally accurate review.
@josephwolcott2544
@josephwolcott2544 4 ай бұрын
You should do the United Reformed Churches in North America (URCNA) next, followed by the Canadian Reformed Churches (CanRC) and Reformed Church in the United States (RCUS).
@comradehotdog2252
@comradehotdog2252 10 ай бұрын
I grew up christian reformed just outside of Holland michigan. I definitely remember the mints lol. Very interesting video. I live in the UP of Michigan now. I would love a video about apostolic lutheran bc there isn't much information about them, but they seem to be all over up here...
@Hark1677
@Hark1677 10 ай бұрын
My college would play Dordt College, (from the Canons of Dordt) twice every year. They were affiliated with the CRC. And in a heavily Dutch area in northwest Iowa.
@oldiesaregoldies3511
@oldiesaregoldies3511 10 ай бұрын
YEAH! GO DEFENDERS!
@stevekohl5351
@stevekohl5351 7 ай бұрын
I have heard of a not so positive slang name for Dordt.
@stevekohl5351
@stevekohl5351 7 ай бұрын
I know of a happily married couple. The wife grew up in a CRC family considered to be the more conservative church. The parents did not want their daughter to date a man who was a member of an RCA church in the nearby town of Orange City. Then the young woman dated a Muslim. The conservative family rushed to encourage their daughter to date the RCA member. The woman married the Muslim and they have been married for many years.
@QuarioQuario54321
@QuarioQuario54321 5 ай бұрын
My mom grew up in that area
@judahallen6720
@judahallen6720 10 ай бұрын
Really enjoyed this video! I was looking for videos to put on for my drive back home from visiting my girlfriend at Calvin university when this popped up in my subscriptions
@donalddodson7365
@donalddodson7365 10 ай бұрын
Thank you, Joshua. My maternal roots are Dutch. I am a Member of a Congregational Way church, as you know, outgrown from the "separatist" church that sojourned in Holland before emigrating to North America. Blessings.
@BrendaBoykin-qz5dj
@BrendaBoykin-qz5dj 10 ай бұрын
Thank you, Joshua 🌹⭐🌹
@DxGamer6767
@DxGamer6767 10 ай бұрын
Please do the Uniting Church in Australia, im sorry if i have commented so many times but i am not as good as finding sources and displaying them as you are
@JosiahR1
@JosiahR1 9 ай бұрын
I would also enjoy this. A lot of information there.
@jdkayak7868
@jdkayak7868 10 ай бұрын
My Frisian great grandfather in bellflower was one of the leading voices to use English in the CRC, the Frisians didn't understand Dutch so they agreed to use English.
@endrickdonitz6669
@endrickdonitz6669 10 ай бұрын
Hope Paul Vanderklay see this one!
@aLadNamedNathan
@aLadNamedNathan 10 ай бұрын
I used to watch Paul Vanderklay, but I eventually realized he was too liberal for me.
@anselman3156
@anselman3156 10 ай бұрын
@@aLadNamedNathan I followed PVK for years, trusting that he was genuinely seeking to help people from various unbelieving positions find Christ. However, of late he has been giving a stronger platform for people voicing anti Christian views, attacking the Trinity and pushing pantheism and hermeticism/occultism, while joining them in labeling those who uphold the Christian position as "dogmatists".
@aLadNamedNathan
@aLadNamedNathan 10 ай бұрын
@@anselman3156 I quit watching PVK before things got that bad. Thanks for the heads up. The longer I watched Joshua's video about the CRC, the more shocked I became.
@anselman3156
@anselman3156 10 ай бұрын
@@aLadNamedNathan I actually have a great respect for PVK, but I think the "corner" that has settled around him is too full of anti-Christian voices. I feel sad.
@aLadNamedNathan
@aLadNamedNathan 10 ай бұрын
@@anselman3156 I see your point, but I'm sad that PVK doesn't push back on attacks against the faith. That's what a Chrisitan is supposed to do.
@loissemanek1715
@loissemanek1715 10 ай бұрын
My grandma handed out mints to keep us quite during the very boring hell fire and brimstone sermons. Thanks for the update on this denomination
@ideologybot4592
@ideologybot4592 10 ай бұрын
As a general comment on the Reformed branch, the argument between Zwingli and Luther over the Eucharist is prototypical of the Reformation and kind of legendary.
@PaulVanderKlay
@PaulVanderKlay 10 ай бұрын
Nice job. Some of the small issues were picked up in the comments.
@kevanhubbard9673
@kevanhubbard9673 10 ай бұрын
I was brought up in South Africa so have had quite a lot of experience of the Dutch Reformed Church.Most Afrikaans speaking South Africans were members of said church.It was very Calvinististic.I understand that it has become much more moderate over the years and maybe John Calvin might not recognise it if somehow he returned to life?
@rey66521
@rey66521 10 ай бұрын
United Reformed Church of North America (URCNA) here.
@TonyA-b6o
@TonyA-b6o Ай бұрын
I used to enjoy listening do Pastor Joel Nederhood at 5:00 in the morning before going to work, probably about 1980
@littlejohn590
@littlejohn590 10 ай бұрын
Would you do a video on the amish.
@QuarioQuario54321
@QuarioQuario54321 5 ай бұрын
7:32 You should have mentioned here that the NIV was first proposed by CRC members, and was kinda leading the NIV as a whole
@christianusacross5084
@christianusacross5084 10 ай бұрын
History of Celtic Christianity please!
@leslietascoff9784
@leslietascoff9784 Ай бұрын
Excellent! 🌷
@riverjao
@riverjao 6 ай бұрын
I’m from the South but have lived in Kalamazoo, MI for around 12-13 years. Our neighbors on both sides are Dutch Reformed (which I’d never previously heard of). The grandfather moved here from the Netherlands. His children and grandchildren are our neighbors. Many of the Dutch Ref people in our area are interesting; they’re very strict and are very bogged down with Calvinism. Specifically, the ones we know have no idea whether they are elect or not, so the best they can do is keep the 10 Commandments and hope they are elect. It’s sad 😢 the DR people we know are wonderful people. Very kind and help us occasionally if we need it, e.g., feed our are pets if we’re out of town. And actually now as a Pastor I have former CRC people in my church (people in their 50-60’s) and they found the staunch legalism (at least in their experience) to be crushing and unbearable. Hopefully it’s not that way for all or most of them.
@joshhulst3929
@joshhulst3929 10 ай бұрын
Born and raised in the CRC for 14 years. The church I went to was pretty conservative in theology and views. My parents saw some of the stuff going on in the CRC as a whole and we started attending a non-dom church. Said to see what is happening there.
@rooderoo12
@rooderoo12 3 ай бұрын
Great summary. I am CRC and grew up with the Dutch peppermints!
@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts
@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts 10 ай бұрын
Very informative!
@KennethKlein-lc2mk
@KennethKlein-lc2mk 2 ай бұрын
The CRC was active in mission work for at least 50 years in what is today southern Taraba State in Nigeria. Being the first to introduce Christianity the CRCNigeria is viewed as holding "mother church" status. Their membership, in the hundred of thousand, exceeds that of the CRC.
@musicjax
@musicjax 10 ай бұрын
can you do a video on the Three-Self Patriotic Movement?
@HorseWithNoUsername
@HorseWithNoUsername 9 ай бұрын
Christian Reformed Churches of Australia used the CRCNA Psalter Hymnal for many years.
@finleyedwards
@finleyedwards 10 ай бұрын
Outstanding!
@krakhead22
@krakhead22 6 ай бұрын
You captured how CRC congregations and the denomination as whole have often separated themselves somewhat and wanted to do things their way. A few notable effects of that approach that you didn't mention have been the prevalence of and push for Christian Education and development of groups like the Calvinist Cadet Corps or GEMS as opposed to available external organizations.
@Corey_Brandt
@Corey_Brandt 10 ай бұрын
My grandma always gave us peppermints 😂 Had no idea it was a Dutch thing!
@vitorao
@vitorao 8 ай бұрын
Please make a video about the CanRC (Canadian and American Reformed Churches)
@toddbu-WK7L
@toddbu-WK7L 10 ай бұрын
I grew up in the CRC and I have seen it change a lot over the last 60 years. But so too have I changed. For as much as I believe in the value of strong doctrine on the person and work of Christ, I am saddened that denominationalism plays such a central role in our Christian experience. The CRC and its splinter churches have fallen victim to cultural influences just as have so many other denominations. For the CRC, the evolution / creation debates and the role of women serving in church office (pastor, elder, etc) has defined the CRC as long as I've been alive. So pervasive has this influence been that Christ has effectively been pushed out of His church. At least when I was a kid, the CRC could be identified as Christ-centered. Yet today, because our Savior has been pushed to the sidelines, you see a much larger focus on things of cultural importance like social justice. Consider Calvin College's tagline, "think deeply, to act justly, and to live wholeheartedly as Christ's agents of renewal in the world". This is a complete shift away from historic Reformed teaching in which God is the primary actor in this world and we serve at His command. My prayer is that God will sharpen our focus and lead us to faithfulness in Christ.
@hummingcloud9889
@hummingcloud9889 10 ай бұрын
While this may reflect a divide between the US and Canada in the CRC, I've not seen as much of a difference. The CRC is still very much a denomination that takes the word of God seriously. Every CRC I've been to has taught from the view that the Bible is infallible, but not inerrant. Perhaps you are seeing more on the side of what the church is doing for evangelicism. I agree that the mission work that the CRC does is more focused on social justice, but that is a generally good thing, especially where the word of Christ has been synonymous with hate.
@doncorleone1553
@doncorleone1553 10 ай бұрын
@@hummingcloud9889 it is not a good thing if it strays from the true teachings of Christ. What are you talking about synonymous with hate?
@donalddodson7365
@donalddodson7365 10 ай бұрын
​@@doncorleone1553 When the Gospel of Christ is manipulated to "purge" secular society of "non-Christians" (e.g. enabling Holocaust vs. Jews), when the Bible is used to justify torture and murder (e.g. Spanish Inquisition and Crusades), and is used as justification for North American enslavement of African peoples. May Peace be Upon you. Blessings. Don
@schs1977
@schs1977 10 ай бұрын
At 14:00 Not all churches/denominations that believe in a second work of grace are Pentecostal or Charismatic.
@danoctavian8184
@danoctavian8184 10 ай бұрын
who else does?
@philipmangaoang1352
@philipmangaoang1352 10 ай бұрын
The Wesleyans, The Methodists and The Church of the Nazarene
@BrianRich1689
@BrianRich1689 7 ай бұрын
They would by definition be Charismatics. That's literally what Charismatic means. Charismatic is the belief that the signs are still given to believers today, it's not a denomination or church.
@wolteraartsma1290
@wolteraartsma1290 8 ай бұрын
You’ve told the “Grand Rapids” version of the CRCNA story, but something pertinent to the founding and later the survival of the CRC was left out - the TRPDC. The TRPDC was the first secession from what is now called the RCA, secessions which may have started as early as 1815 but definitely got going in the 1820s. Elder Gijsbert Haan spent some time in the east & encountered TRPDC people who filled him in on doctrinal issues with the RCA. His report, when he returned to Michigan, triggered the 2nd, 1857, secession. The TRPDC saved the 2nd secession group from extinction when it found out that RCA pastors were members of the FreeMasons, anathema to Netherlanders, including one who was the chief chaplain for New York state. This was passed along to the 2nd secession group, which caused another secession - and more importantly redirected the flow of Dutch immigrants away from the RCA and to the 2nd secession group. My ancestors’ congregation, which I believe was Grand Rapids 4th Reformed, was part of this secession and in time became the Beckwith Hills C.R.C. Like you said, later on the 1st and 2nd secession groups merged, however this was just Classis Hackensack of the 1st secession group, Classis Union stayed out. They withered away, reorganized as the True Church of Christ in the 1920s, disbanded about 1960, and their last surviving congregation, Sharon, NY, closed its doors in 1982 or 84.
@Albertmarksamorin
@Albertmarksamorin 10 ай бұрын
Please do a UCCP Church Video. Thank you.
@ThePaulKM
@ThePaulKM 4 ай бұрын
Could you do a video comparing Presbyterians to the Dutch Reformed?
@QWERTY-dv2hm
@QWERTY-dv2hm 10 ай бұрын
thanks for the new video. can you make videos about Eastern Rite Protestants?
@tomw6271
@tomw6271 3 ай бұрын
wow, i didn't realize just how far the christian reformed church was removed from God's word concerning creation
@kathyw7369
@kathyw7369 7 ай бұрын
Regarding congregations having women pastors or women in other leadership positions, individual churches do not get to decide: each classis (district or usually geographic group) decides which if any positions are open to women.
@JamesCrocker-b6z
@JamesCrocker-b6z 10 ай бұрын
How can the CRC approve the new international version which recently has been compromised and not except a new American standard?
@wolteraartsma1290
@wolteraartsma1290 8 ай бұрын
NIV originated in the CRC in the 1950s as a counter to the RSV. I still use the original NIV
@kathyw7369
@kathyw7369 7 ай бұрын
A multidenominational group of Biblical scholars double-checked some translations and only changed little parts (changing "brothers" to "brothers and sisters," etc.). I miss little turns of phrase that I learned from the 1984 NIV, but the few changes make sense.
@stein5763
@stein5763 6 ай бұрын
My church only uses the 1984 NIV, not the modern revisions which have the inclusive language.
@leslielousma7913
@leslielousma7913 10 ай бұрын
My father-in-law grew up in Michigan as Dutch Reformed. He said it was so strict.
@ricklarson392
@ricklarson392 10 ай бұрын
It always seems to me that the more rigid a denomination's theology the more prone it is to split over fine points of theology and hair-splitting biblical interpretation - splitting to the point of micro-denominations. It all seems so self-righteous and ego-centered.
@squiddwizzard8850
@squiddwizzard8850 10 ай бұрын
I grew up in the Reformed Church of America, the sister branch to this. It split over ordination of women, whether or not hymns can be sung, and I think music and some other minor things.
@philipmangaoang1352
@philipmangaoang1352 10 ай бұрын
It is because of Loyalty to the faithful interpretation of God's Word The Bible. It is a Conservative Protestant trait.
@toddbu-WK7L
@toddbu-WK7L 10 ай бұрын
​@@philipmangaoang1352 I'd be curious to know where in the Bible Christians are called to be "[loyal] to the faithful interpretation of God's Word The Bible". We are certainly called to defend the faith, but what I think you're talking about here is theology, not faith. These are two different things. "The faith" is clearly defined in Scripture as summarized in 1 John 4. In that chapter, we are told in verse 2 that "By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God". This is the heart of the Christian faith. It is the confession that Jesus is God Incarnate, come in the flesh to save us from our sins, that binds us together as one. Everything else falls into the category of theology. And while I am very much a Reformed Christian to my core, I believe that the loyalty that you describe is misplaced, sinful, and dangerous. Does Jesus say in John 10, "My sheep hear my theology and battle against one another to see who can be the most right"? Of course not! Instead, He says, "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand." (v 27-20) It is because of the actions of church leaders in Reformed and other denominations that I have become outspoke in the last few years as to the scourge of denominationalism of all types. If anyone professes Jesus as God come to earth from Heaven above then they are my brother or sister in Christ. And even if we disagree around the edges, there is still only "one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all" (Eph 4:5-6)
@dutchamerican2941
@dutchamerican2941 10 ай бұрын
Grew up in a small Dutch town in Iowa where everyone is basically CRC. Was great growing up, but all the Church’s basically got rid of their historic buildings and worship for evangelical like replacements. One of the many reasons I converted to Eastern Orthodoxy, although I still do love my CRC heritage and family!
@jeffp3415
@jeffp3415 10 ай бұрын
All? There is actually a large movement within the denomination to refocus on Covenant Theology again. Many churches learned the hard way that you can't out Eva the local Big Eva churches.
@AndrewRusherLDS
@AndrewRusherLDS 10 ай бұрын
The issue with churches like this is that they make everything debatable even clear Scripture is debated as if the Scriptures are unclear.
@EatHoneyBeeHappy
@EatHoneyBeeHappy 10 ай бұрын
Exactly, if Christians want to read Genesis at metaphorical and debatable, you might as well read Exodus through Revelations as metaphorical and debatable as well. There are already many Christians reading Matthew 28 as a metaphor, the verse where Jesus is first said to have risen.
@AndrewRusherLDS
@AndrewRusherLDS 10 ай бұрын
@@EatHoneyBeeHappy these churches follow "when you stand for nothing, you fall for everything", they just don't know it yet.
@MissMonotheist
@MissMonotheist 5 ай бұрын
This is a denomination I had never heard of. They must not be very numerous in my area.
@stephanottawa7890
@stephanottawa7890 10 ай бұрын
Where I grew up in Ontario, the CRC was known as the Dutch church and all the members seemed to be the children of Dutch immigrants or the immigrants themselves. Most seemed to be tall and blond, but possibly that was a bit of an exaggeration. There was even an area where they had an almost exclusive settlement called the Holland Marsh. This was named after a man with the surname Holland who had fought against the American invaders in the War of 1812, but by coincident Dutch people were settled there starting in the 1930's. One of my friends was a son of the minister in one of the churches in the marsh (as we said) and later I had a friend who became a minister first in the CRC, but later he moved to a separatists group. There are a few and you did not seem to mention them all. Possibly that is not the subject of the video here, but it is interesting that there is more than one alternative for people who are leaving the CRC. Also, one of the reason why some want a Canadian CRC is that the Canadians in this case seem to be more conservative and possibly they are hoping to stem the tide of splinting off, which is possibly more widespread in Canada.
@jeffp3415
@jeffp3415 10 ай бұрын
From what I read, it is the most liberal CRC congregations in Canada that are agitating for a separate denomination.
@lloydhemstreet3226
@lloydhemstreet3226 10 ай бұрын
@@jeffp3415correct, on matters of human sexuality (the current point of primary contention), it is the progressive/affirming side of the CRC in Canada that was trying to split away.
@MrTripleAgamer
@MrTripleAgamer 10 ай бұрын
Grew up in this church 😁
@JeeWeeD
@JeeWeeD 10 ай бұрын
I am very familiar with the peppermint candy being shared in the church, but I have seen KING Pepermunt more often then Wilhelmina Pepermunt. Dutch Wikipedia claims that Wilhelmina is THE brand for 'gereformeerden' and FAAM (never heard of it though...) for the 'Hervormden', but I do not think this is still strictly observed, not even in the very strict Reformed parts of the country.
@jeffreyvanhouten1239
@jeffreyvanhouten1239 10 ай бұрын
My Grandfather would bring King Peppermints and zout dropje to church. He would always make his grandkids take the zout dropje first. They were absolutely disgusting. There still is a very strong CRC presence in the Central Valley of California. Lots of Dutch dairy farmers in the Ripon, Escalon and Oakdale area with thriving churches.
@davidburton8156
@davidburton8156 7 ай бұрын
That would explain why there’s always a basket of peppermints outside the sanctuary. I never really noticed it till now. Lol
@KingoftheJuice18
@KingoftheJuice18 10 ай бұрын
They've got a lot of good, reasonable stuff in their beliefs about figurative reading of Scripture, science and evolution, and climate change. Had to chuckle, though, when their list of the results of sin included, "pollution, sickness, death, and weeds." I mean, death is hard enough-but, dear Lord, not WEEDS!!!
@jeffp3415
@jeffp3415 10 ай бұрын
That's right out of Genesis
@KingoftheJuice18
@KingoftheJuice18 10 ай бұрын
@@jeffp3415 It's the anti-climax of the order....
@SantaFe19484
@SantaFe19484 9 ай бұрын
How ironic that hymns were once considered too modern.
@christianwalton7080
@christianwalton7080 10 ай бұрын
I didnt know much about the CRC, but i thought they were more conservative than they actually are.
@jeffp3415
@jeffp3415 10 ай бұрын
They are more conservative than the online materials indicate. Do you recall Joshua mentioning Classis Grand Rapids East? That is the most liberal of the Classis in the denomination and home to most of the office staff of the Denomination.
@kathyw7369
@kathyw7369 7 ай бұрын
They are. That's the reason last year's synod went all the way to claiming as a confessional standard that anyone who has ever had sex outside a single male-female marriage can't even be married in the church. A small handful of congregations have more lenient stances toward LGBTQ+ matters, but some classes (districts of several churches) even refuse to acknowledge female representatives sent to the annual Synod.
@breekolean2758
@breekolean2758 6 ай бұрын
Left the CRC and Ottawa County Michigan years ago don't miss either.
@jacobortega3424
@jacobortega3424 10 ай бұрын
The recent acceptance of homosexuality and evolution shows how greatly people can fall away from Gods clear word.
@jeffp3415
@jeffp3415 10 ай бұрын
Neither have been accepted by the denomination. Individual congregations have accepted homosexuality and are at risk of being censured. Calvin University has accepted evolution, but not the denomination.
@Modeltnick
@Modeltnick 10 ай бұрын
Dr. Schuller came from this denomination.
@philipmangaoang1352
@philipmangaoang1352 10 ай бұрын
If I'm not mistaken, Dr. Schuller was Reformed Church in America. Their building was sold to the Catholics but the Congregation joined the PCUSA when they merged with Irvine Presbyterian Church. Dr Schuller's grandson Bobby and the now Shepherd's Grove Presbyterian Church are now affiliated with the PCUSA. Hour of Power can still be seen around the world on-line and on TV.
@Modeltnick
@Modeltnick 10 ай бұрын
@@philipmangaoang1352 Thanks for that information! I was always an admirer of Dr. Schuller and his spiritual journey. So sad how it all turned out.
@jeffkardosjr.3825
@jeffkardosjr.3825 10 ай бұрын
The ironic thing is the old Crystal Cathedral looks more reformed now with the white wash of paint that the Roman Catholics put in the interior.
@philipmangaoang1352
@philipmangaoang1352 10 ай бұрын
@@Modeltnick same here, his books motivated me during a difficult time in my life. Possibility thinking was different from just Positive thinking.
@Modeltnick
@Modeltnick 10 ай бұрын
@@jeffkardosjr.3825 They ruined the place.
@BramptonAnglican
@BramptonAnglican 10 ай бұрын
I don’t live far from a CRC.
@RealCaptainAwesome
@RealCaptainAwesome 10 ай бұрын
Started off good and wow they really drank the progressive Kool aid
@jeffp3415
@jeffp3415 10 ай бұрын
Not really, just a really high percentage of the full time staff.
@kathyw7369
@kathyw7369 7 ай бұрын
Nope. More congregations have become retrogressive than progressive. He mentioned just a few.
@RonJohn63
@RonJohn63 10 ай бұрын
29:03 The dates should be shifted back by a year.
@surlyogre1476
@surlyogre1476 10 ай бұрын
He does specify that at the beginning of this section: "Dates given are from the date the Yearbook was published and thus are for the year prior" or words to that effect.
@RonJohn63
@RonJohn63 10 ай бұрын
@@surlyogre1476 right. Which is why I wrote that the dates should be shifted back a year instead of blasting a nastygram about how counts for 2024 are impossible. No matter what he _said,_ it's visually misleading.
@stephanottawa7890
@stephanottawa7890 10 ай бұрын
That is normal. If you report statistics in 2024, the data is obviously from an earlier date.
@RonJohn63
@RonJohn63 10 ай бұрын
@@stephanottawa7890 normal or not, it's still misleading.
@michaelpsellos770
@michaelpsellos770 9 ай бұрын
1:25 its fascinating how generic these complaints are. American church is too accomodating, too open to nonbelievers, pastors over accomodate american cultre. Apart from the psalters vs hymns this could be any church. So its pretty clear Americanized Chrisianity has a pretty clear uniform set of dogmas.
@mercster
@mercster 10 ай бұрын
Obviously this church doesn't have the authority or, let's face it, balls, to enforce moral standards at their university. Sad.
@lloydhemstreet3226
@lloydhemstreet3226 10 ай бұрын
The denomination is in a season of Reformation, but it takes time for that to play out. My guess is, our University will be in a very different place in ten years, compared to what holds sway or is permitted there now….
@kathyw7369
@kathyw7369 7 ай бұрын
Calvin University has reprimanded and even fired staff for not toeing the denominational line, and its tenure standards are high. I don't know if policies have changed, but tenured professors had to be active CRC members and send their kids to Christian school. I wouldn't be surprised if their kids had to attend CRC schools.
@WoM-h5m
@WoM-h5m 10 ай бұрын
A traditional reformed church deviating further away then Christian cults😢😢😢😢
@BramptonAnglican
@BramptonAnglican 10 ай бұрын
They seem pretty progressive.
@squiddwizzard8850
@squiddwizzard8850 10 ай бұрын
Baere on where I live.. Hardly.
@jacobortega3424
@jacobortega3424 10 ай бұрын
Compared to the other reformed churches around Holland they really are. But holland has become very progressive in the last 10 years
@doncorleone1553
@doncorleone1553 10 ай бұрын
@@jacobortega3424 Especially the REAL Holland
@squiddwizzard8850
@squiddwizzard8850 10 ай бұрын
​@@jacobortega3424 they're more conservative than the branch I was raised in
@jacobortega3424
@jacobortega3424 10 ай бұрын
@@doncorleone1553 the real holland?
@anonymous-dk3um
@anonymous-dk3um 8 ай бұрын
The decline of the CRC does not surprise me, I myself attend a non-denom church these days
@mr.goldenproductions_0143
@mr.goldenproductions_0143 10 ай бұрын
Their logo also indicates that they're big 30 seconds to mars fans lol
@surlyogre1476
@surlyogre1476 10 ай бұрын
...or, perhaps the _30 Seconds to Mars_ producers are fans of the CRC? ( I think the CRC logo came first 😉)
@KephasIsStPeter
@KephasIsStPeter 10 ай бұрын
20:13 on a side note those of you who have no opinion remember all it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing. Fight for traditional values, dont be afraid of offending people as long as you are defending Christendom Christ will reward you, and DONT HELP THE SERPENT WITH YOUR INACTION!!!!!!
@BlastHardcheese194
@BlastHardcheese194 10 ай бұрын
If yer not Dutch, yer not mutch.
@keithfredlund3588
@keithfredlund3588 10 күн бұрын
Do you want to expand on this?
@boltvanderhuge4007
@boltvanderhuge4007 10 күн бұрын
@@keithfredlund3588it’s just a thing we Hollanders from Grand Rapids like to say, in jest, sort of.
@AkshayChaitanya
@AkshayChaitanya 10 ай бұрын
Kingdom of heaven isy within - at least one must realize this.
@BrianRich1689
@BrianRich1689 7 ай бұрын
Well, sucks that they are liberal when it comes to Biblical interpretation, and lifestyle. Ill pass on that.
@EatHoneyBeeHappy
@EatHoneyBeeHappy 10 ай бұрын
I understand why it's so easy for Calvinists/Reformed Christians to accept the science of evolution by natural selection and reject a literal Adam and Eve. This is because it doesn't matter what you believe, God has already chosen his elect, salvation is based on God's grace, not on our beliefs about Adam and Eve or science or anything else.
@TheNabOwnzz
@TheNabOwnzz 10 ай бұрын
It doesn't have anything to do with that. Calvin would turn in his grave by people accepting evolution. These people have very little in common with him, as do most "reformed" churches, which are in fact not very reformed.
@EatHoneyBeeHappy
@EatHoneyBeeHappy 10 ай бұрын
@@TheNabOwnzz You don't know what John Calvin would have believed if he had been presented with the evidence for evolution. He may have even lost his faith entirely as so many others have done.
@TheNabOwnzz
@TheNabOwnzz 10 ай бұрын
@@EatHoneyBeeHappy No, because the faith of the elect is never swayed, and particularly not by these fantastical modern notions.
@EatHoneyBeeHappy
@EatHoneyBeeHappy 10 ай бұрын
@@TheNabOwnzz You think the faith of the elect is more important and more of an indication of their salvation than God's grace? I don't. God's grace is all you need, no matter how much the elect sway.
@jeffp3415
@jeffp3415 10 ай бұрын
​@@EatHoneyBeeHappy election is a direct result of God's grace!
@salt1956
@salt1956 10 ай бұрын
This denomination has been very busy with internal conflict and writing down all the rules. Despite every effort to be 'correct', the stats show it will be extinct sometime this century, perhaps even by 2050.
@philipmangaoang1352
@philipmangaoang1352 10 ай бұрын
They have churches in the Philippines that are evangelical and propagating. People have been saying the same thing abouf the Anglican church since the 90s but they are still here. As a Biblical believer, I know that God's Body the Church on Earth will be here until the end of time in one form or another.
@jeffp3415
@jeffp3415 10 ай бұрын
Virtually all of the member losses have been to the more conservative offshoots of the CRC, where the doctrine is even more important.
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