What is the Difference between a JOINTER and a THICKNESSER!?

[@MattEstlea]

If you found this video useful, don't forget to press the *LIKE* button. It really helps me out! Like the look of the workbench? Watch me make it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fImuiqqDZctojbc&t

[@lawyal]

Hi, Matt, great video! What's the brand of your machine? Thanks. Thanks. Just find it in another video from you. Thanks.

[@Choetaesun]

You gave me the answer! Thanks! Thickensser first!

[@ZahidH]

Frankly one of the clearest, comprehensive tutorials explaining what these machines do and how they differ. I learned loads! Thanks Matt

[@tomatoes3]

As a retired bench joiner of 30 years that was a perfect explanation, clear and precise. Nice one Matt.

[@busterwest1644]

Finally... Been confused by UK/USA terminology on planner, thicknesser and jointer for the past two years and now a crystal clear explanation.. Thank you Matt

[@1947drummerboy]

I am an old retired bus driver who has taken up a bit of woodwork in my spare time. You sir are an amazing teacher, and I have taken every point that you have made and understood completely. Thank you very much young man. Excellent......

[@JimiJo]

Got to Love Axminster Trade!

[@ABDFotos]

Incredible how easy it is to understand when you explain!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 You answer questions that no other woodworker even make.... Perfect!!

[@Thom4123]

Awesome tutorial video, I wish this was explained when I bought my first jointer. I was guilty of pushing down on the boards and getting all kinds of different shapes but not square. I could find one video out there Marc Spagnuolo aka the WoodWhisper asked what I was doing wrong. First question he asked “ how hard are you putting on the tables and he walked me through it and all is working well. I won’t tell ya how much wood I wasted learning. Matt perfect explanation. Take care my friend

[@henrysiegertsz8204]

First job I did last week was to set up my Jointer/ Planer tables. They are aluminium tables on my old '70's Lurem Junior. I bought the Parf Guide system from Axminster some months ago, the Parf Sticks were the perfect straight edge for getting the tables horizontal and level. I planed and thicknessed my T&T Sapele to Brace my biscuit jointed Front Gate, after seven years of neglect. Great instructional video, just as easy to get "Snipe" from the jointer side as the thicknesser if the tables are not set up properly. The Sapele came out perfect!

[@NomenNescio99]

I'm researching a little before buying my first jointer/thicknesser, this is easily the best intro video I've seen on the subject, and I watched a few of them by now. Great work!

[@nicholaszarb2504]

Same here

[@solomon4332]

Which device did you settle on buying and how's it going for you after all these months. (I assume you bought one 😀

[@NomenNescio99]

@@solomon4332 Yes I did, I ended up on a holzmann 260 mm combined planer/jointer. As a newbie I'm probably not the best reviewer, but I'm very pleased with result the machine produces, better than my expectations. Both for the surface quality as well as the precision, my skill is the limiting factor. The procedure when switching between jointing and thicknessing is bit "fiddly" and time consuming - but it's worth it considering the saved space. And the joy of properly jointed wood every time when gluing a panel is hard to describe!

[@solomon4332]

@@NomenNescio99hey, thanks for replying. I've been looking for trusted products that's not American as we don't use 120V where I live. I'll give these a look. I'm a newbie too but live in West Africa where the lumbers are mostly rough- I'll be needing it often.

[@NomenNescio99]

​@@solomon4332 The model number for the planer I got is HOB260ABS_230V. I've used it mostly for for softwood/pine, and the occasional piece of oak as well. The blades are replaceable, but my first set is still in good condition. The reseller advised me not to buy their slightly more expensive models called something "ECO" as their motors had less powers.

[@therabman_5606]

A person that has knowledge is a joy to listen to 👍 and even better when they say they don’t know. Love your channel mate keep the good work coming

[@jabernathy2595]

Matt, I am impressed with your knowledge base. I'm a Hobby Machinist (metal) but I really enjoy your videos on woodworking. Well explained and easy to follow. Thank you.

[@tomlagatol4448]

Good intro! I enjoyed the vid.IMHO you’re definitely filling a “gap” that other guys aren’t....Thanks

[@MattEstlea]

Cheers Tom, glad to hear it!

[@PoonMoon]

Light pressure - a revelation and so obvious once you explained. I feel like a dingbert, but also enlightened and release from sloppy results. Cheers Matt.

[@michaeltodd3042]

Absolutely perfect explanation. Tried to explain to my wife once why I need both a jointer and a planer/thicknesser. Spent almost half an hour and left her confused and slightly annoyed. Had this video been around back then I could have just said 'Watch this while I go shopping.'

[@MattEstlea]

Hahaha the amount of times I see this exact thing happen while working at Axminster is hilarious.

[@PennsPens]

Decrease the waffle & remain on point, plus, repeatong things over and over doesn't help people. However!! as a tradesman, this is an excellent explanation and overview on how to use these machines correctly and safely. I'd Never Ever recommend purchasing a thicknesser before getting a jointer. Unfortunately people become lazy and rushed and eventually skip the importance step to ensure a Sq, flat product before moving onto the thicknesser stage. Missing the jointer/flattering process has well known, and proven states that leading to serious/:multiple injuries from things like kickback (and Never stand behind or look into a thicknesser -:period!! So, "Always ensure to start by using the overhead jointer process first. Otherwise great video Matt. 👍

[@alexschmidt3692]

Unrelated to the video, but I've just gotten into woodworking about 6 months ago and I really appreciate the helpful videos. Love the "how to make xxxxxxxxxx joint by hand" videos

[@jayking1073]

This is the first video of yours that I have found and I’m now a subscriber. I’m new to woodworking and am all but useless. Love the video and it’s good to see a video from a fellow countryman using terms and measurements that I understand. I’ll be looking out for videos and any courses that you may have available

[@tommorton7736]

I’m a wood machinist and bench hand joiner, and you should definitely talk about orientation of the timber over the “surface planer” and under the “thickness planer”. We call the jointer a surface planer, or the jacker (after the jack plane) always have done. Great video always full of information.

[@MattEstlea]

Cheers Tom. Yes I was going to do a separate video on how to actually use the machines properly. This one is simply to explain the difference between the two. I haven’t heard the name Jacker before!

[@tommorton7736]

Thanks a lot for the reply Matt. Yes I'm not sure if the name differs depending on what part of the UK you are from I'm from lancashire up north.. But yes I've always been told its been called a Jacker or a surface planer, surface planer being the "proper" name and jacker being taken from the trusty old jack plane. Or atleast that's what i've been told, i could very well have been lied too for the past 5 years!! keep up the videos very informative!!! techniques are always different and ive been lucky to learn from a great bunch of lads it would be nice to see how you use the jointer to remove cups, bows, twists you get the idea looking forward to the video, i may even learn something or two from it to improve my technique.

[@charlesarnold4963]

That was a really good explanation of the differences between a jointer/planer and a thicknesser. It also explained what one is trying to achieve when dimensioning wood as well as the pitfalls. Well done.

[@colinhawkins8265]

Your tutorials and educational videos are fantastic. Every time I click on one, I learn something new or refine something I thought I already understood. Thanks for making these!

[@MattEstlea]

Thank you very much Colin. Glad to hear they are of assistance!

[@davidhusband9283]

Great video, wish I’d found your video first before wasting my time on dozens of other KZbin videos that just confused me! You are an excellent tutor!!! :)

[@cooper8d60]

Hi Matt, THANK YOU! Great video and logical explanation. I’m in Australia and I have found most things with regards to references are based on the USA but your video was clear. I’m so pleased I purchased a drop saw, router, jig saw and then a ‘Thicknesser’ but I plan on picking up a jointer next for the exact reasons you stated - I want to lift my game and make some nice furniture not just hobby pieces. Great work, I’m going to check out some of your other videos now!

[@chadkirkendall8520]

I’ve always struggled to understand between the two machines and this video totally cleared that up! Thank you so much

[@Oilman1958]

Great video and explanation. I have watched so many and read a lot of sites and they are all confusing. You made it simple. Many thanks

[@Phatzoot]

Ive been so confused as thr youtube videos I watch usually say jointer but when i search for a jointer on diy suppliers websites in the uk i get planer thicknesser lol i now know that that does both. Im goig to buy one and a table saw next weekend. Awesome video dude good explanation. 👊

[@DeanJuvenal]

Many thanks for explaining and demonstrating the essential differences between a planer and a thicknesser. You’ve also explained why some machines are called “jointers” when they’re really planers. Your vocal delivery is clear and precise but rather fast. I found myself having to concentrate too much on the subtitles. Never mind, I’ve got an excuse for watching your superb presentation again. 😊

[@bulawayo531002]

Very good communicator. Well done

[@ernest-pj2du]

A Gordon Ramsey take on your video. Straight to the point .👍

[@albertweastell6514]

Thanks Matt, I'm a novice woodworker who uses Men in Sheds (Age UK) charity based workshop and I did wonder what the jointer was for, now I now great explanation :-)

[@jc51373]

your videos are fantastic, all are top notch. This video answered a question for me as to whether I can get by with a power planer (thicknesser) and a lie-neilson jointer planer (or a #62). I was trying to avoid buying both machines and incorporating some hand tools into my massive power tool collection as well. My thought was i could 4 square boards easily with those two capabilities, and it's great that someone with your depth of knowledge in woodworking could confirm it for me. thanks for your very clear, thorough and concise explanation.

[@crafts_avenue]

it sure got the confusion out my mind now about the planers thanx

[@garrypalmer5014]

Thanks for the information, and explaining the difference between English and American words, look forward to hearing more

[@fletch1945]

Thank so much . You’ve explained the planer thicknesser perfectly. I now have to purchase one

[@Rich171090]

THANK YOU. I have some quite badly bowed oak beams (fire place surround) and been absolutely baffled with all of terminology. Subscribed

[@Magnanux]

Explanation is on point and is quick to deliver. Very well done.

[@andreabloomfield6219]

When I saw the title I thought I wouldn't learn anything, but I certainly did! Nice job Matt, and fun intro. Like to see you pushing the boundaries with your video skills.

[@MattEstlea]

Thank you Andrea! I feel honoured that you still watched it despite knowing the difference! Much appreciated :)

[@nikolaynikolov163]

Got my thumbs up as soon as you started goofing out during the intro! Proper well done - of course the educational part was well appreciated too

[@MattEstlea]

Hahaha cheers mate! Glad you enjoyed

[@jimblack2331]

Yup. Covered all of that in one hit. Nice video Matt.

[@Chrissi.Pinder]

Nice. Before I watched, I thought "I know the difference" and I do. But there was certainly new knowledge for me in this video.

[@Benni1214]

Amazing! I have this machine in my classroom! But I had no idea about the thicknesser function. 🙂 I've been thrown in as a "wood works" teacher with no prior experience in two schools (in Sweden) 😅

[@TomRileyTech]

What a video. Thanks for the detailed explanation. Very well explained.

[@matth7179]

Great video- thanks for making, really clear and covered all the questions I had about this! You need to include some links to tutorials on ‘negotiating skills’ & ‘difficult conversations’ as I suspect this will be the next stage for most people as they attempt to convince wives that a new purchase is on the horizon!

[@richardchiswell6517]

What a clear and helpful explanation - many thanks

[@jon7yl]

Brilliant video/explanation Matt. I'm new to woodworking and have a lot to learn. Your explanation regarding the difference between a jointer and a thicknesses was great. I have already invested in a table saw so will take your advice to prioritise a thickneser when needed. The jointer can wait a while. 'Have subscribed to your chanel and look forward to viewing your other videos. Thank you.

[@thaychaveski]

Mate, you cleared all the doubts i had! very very good work man

[@mariah4451]

I'm not sure there's any point in me watching anyone else's videos anymore, yours are so informative, expertly explained and well produced. Thank you for sharing such awesome content. Mind you, I will still need to look elsewhere for my skateboarding dogs videos ;-) :-)

[@MattEstlea]

Hahaha always a pleasure Maria! I did want to make a skateboard at some point. Also if I grow my hair out to the length it used to be, I could definitely pass as an Afghan Hound. Watch this space ;)

[@scottlesage9846]

Absolutely EPIC intro!! Keep up the great work Matt

[@mtminded4498]

Beautifully explained!

[@aqybaba6424]

Fantastic explanation very precise and clear......thank you!

[@kearnsguitars2236]

You cleared up a bunch of problems I've been having!! Thank you

[@MattEstlea]

Quality, that’s great to hear!

[@wilkbor]

Thanks for the video. It was very helpful. You answered my main question at 14:57.... I'm off to watch the video on cutting boards.

[@Dach101]

great info, I feel old, but not too old to learn, subbed.

[@hypnoraythompson5824]

really informative I have learnt a lot from this , and I am 67! cheers.

[@tinman7743]

Really useful video a learning curve for me. Thank you.

[@barryquinn5840]

Really excellent presentation. Thanks

[@SoundAssault]

Thanks - I've learnt something today!

[@marianstranecky9324]

Very nicely explained! Thank you

[@RyanSmith-er8kw]

Thank you very very much, perfect video I was very confused!!

[@simonoakley1409]

Very very useful video. You've earned my follow 👍

[@243WW]

Great explanation on both machines

[@jeta1f35]

Brilliant explanation. Thanks

[@JeffSolenberg]

"It's not because I can't do this stuff by hand, it's because I can't be bothered." LOLOLOLOL That is my motto from now on :D

[@MattEstlea]

I’m definitely going to get that quote framed.

[@andrewhannah2141]

Great video, first video I watched and all my questions answered, in one video, great job now following you, 👍 🇦🇺

[@justa1098]

Helped me no end!! Thankyou

[@hugostare8695]

Brilliant! Thanks Matt, subscribed!

[@thatcrazyguy1971]

"it takes a bit more thinking up here.." (with the finger pointing towards the brain 15:59).. Loved it :-) Nice intro! My two cents is this: buy the combination machine as shown here if you can, you will need both machines eventually if you start using much wood as opposed to man made boards. There are many manufacturer of these and while they don't come cheap, they will quickly become the central point of your work. And they'll last a lifetime. I tend to prefer machines where you don't have to remove the fence to lift the tables, but that's my preference. Machines like this one showed usually have short-ish infeed and outfeed tables but there are ways around that with shop mods.

[@MattEstlea]

Couldn’t agree more! Cheers Jose!

[@MrTallatron]

Fantastic video, perfectly explained.

[@resultcarpentry5869]

Thanks Matt - your best yet 👌🏼🤗

[@pietskietpyl]

Thanks, mate. You explain things really well. Dig the channel, keep it up!

[@bobdepot6620]

Very helpful and thorough!!

[@beauderzepheroloughlin7351]

Thank very much explained everyone everything perfectly.

[@chm1701]

And so concludes today’s lesson. Thanks Matt.

[@carltonhill8914]

Very impressed, you make things a lot plainer (I said it). will now subscribe to your channel. Thanks Carl

[@iankennedy1729]

Thanks, very useful to me as I knew non of that stuff! Also very well presented.

[@keithdouglas4581]

well presented and informative video thanks...subscribed

[@rossmerchant1832]

Nicely explained Matt.

[@eric-eklund]

Wonderful video, thanks for the information. Have ordered a Jointer / Thickener my self from Axminster :D I have seen people use a roller feeder when using the Jointer. Will that not make the problem that u said about not to force down on the blade?

[@GM-dc8vr]

Nicely explained.

[@GM-dc8vr]

Also congratulations for not bitching about what the yanks call it, that must've taken great strength.

[@walshesworkshop]

Ha that was useful. Thanks! I don’t own a jointer or a thicknesser, but I do have an electric planer! So I guess a thicknesser would be my next purchase.

[@samuelwebster178]

That’s so helpful! Thank you for this

[@createtrouble]

You can also joint using a thicknesser, there's loads of videos to show how, it's essentially just putting little supports in the cups or bows

[@sapbuckets]

Terminology explanations to correct a slightly-faulty one in the video: A jointer is not for making boards flat (that's just a convenient lazy side effect). It's called a jointer because its purpose is to flatten a side in an angular relation to it's jointed side, optimally an already-flattened side that you are facing against the fence. This is usually to joint a 90-degree angle to two flat faces, though the angle can be whatever you wish. Compare this to a planer/thicknesser which is for used for the purpose of making a board flat on one side or bringing into parallel one side opposite an already-flat side, at a particular thickness. Soto summarize: jointer = angles, planer = flat, thicknesser = parallel.

[@volkerpetersen2268]

Very good video. What is your opinion about which side to tackle first of a cupped board, or a board with a lot of bend in it?Maybe you would like to elaborate on that in a second video. I have some boards I milled myself, which have all sorts of defects: Cup, warp (twist) and "banana" like shape. To my understanding you would take the convex side first? Leaving the concave side for the thicknesser...but what about a warped board?

[@RORGuitars]

Awesome video Matt. And the jointer looks like a great model. Any chance you (or anyone) could let me know what make/model it is, wouldn't mind getting the same one :-) Thanks again for the great video!

[@simonmullins7044]

Nice break down.quite informative👍

[@timbeaton5045]

3 Matt Eastley's? Heaven forfend! PS Who's been watching (the also excellent) Jay Bates' channel then!😎

[@rizwanwallimohammed6115]

Well explained. Thanks

[@nord_laender]

Thanks for the perfect explanation

[@kristiencooper274]

Fantastic, high quality video :)

[@ignorantforager]

Speaking of the cutting board series, was there a finished product video? I didn't see it. Great video as always! Keep up the good work.

[@MattEstlea]

Yea I never got round to finishing it! I had half the video edited but I just wasn’t happy with how it was turning out. So I scrapped it!

[@aharonismael7999]

I am a new subscriber, they are very good ones your vídeos brother!!

[@MattEstlea]

Thank you my friend! Good to have you here

[@rabbitez]

If you can use a table saw/tracksaw in place of a thicknesser then wouldn't a jointer/planer make more sense to buy first? Isn't it going to be much harder to get rid of cupping/bowing by hand?

[@robyndehood1319]

Matt, great videos, I love watching your stuff, keep up the good work. I am setting up a tiny shop and am about to start buying the timber to make a workbench. I expected to be able to buy perfectly square timber that had been prepared, but all the timber yards I have spoken to say I should expect bowing and cupping with anything I buy for delivery. Hence I started looking at thicknessers. The Jointer bit scares me, having the fingers near the blade gives me the heebie jeebies. Do you have any advice on whether an entry level thicknesser (e.g. Triton) would be sufficient for cleaning up PSE timber?. Thanks in advance

[@johnyoung7408]

Great video , can you buy the planer separate as when in combi the thicknesser is very thin whereas a tabletop thicknesser will accept 330mm

[@roguewriter6781]

Thanks Matt that was very useful and a good "school day" for me. Though have to admit that I'm very jealous of your "planer" (lol) Just wish my budget would stretch that far. B-Wishes

[@malmsburycemeterytrust7219]

don't understand why the US call the planer a jointer - its nothing to do with a 'joint'. But good on you Matt for clarifying for the purpose of the video.

[@elijahmaurer9039]

American aftisans often use a "jointer to get gapless edges for gluing. Especially people who don't do classical joinery like those building guitars or cutting boards etc

[@joybose2001]

Hi that was a wonderful video and I really thank you for that. I have a question ….. if I have a square timber and need to make it perfect on all sides what I understand is I just need to plan one side only and the other side thicknesser will do the job. Is that correct . Or do I need to pass all the four sides over the jointer and then run it through the thicknesser.

[@stevealexander6999]

Amazing tutorial 💪

[@Furtheronmusic]

Thanks. Learnt a lot!