What is the Difference Between Avoidant Personality Disorder and Schizoid Personality Disorder?

This video describes differences between Avoidant Personality Disorder and Schizoid Personality Disorder. These personality disorder are in different clusters in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM; Avoidant: Cluster C; Schizoid:Cluster A).
Schizoid Personality Disorder is characterized by detachment, being a “loner,” no interest in forming relationships, a deficit in social skills, taking jobs that isolate them from others, no close friends, decreased interest in pleasurable activities, indifference to praise or criticism, cold or flat affect. Clinically significant distress is not required for a diagnosis of Schizoid Personality as stated in the DSM. Avoidant Personality Disorder is characterized by fear of social situations, social inhibition, panic attacks, isolation, low self-esteem, low self-confidence, and feelings of inferiority. Individuals with Avoidant Personality Disorder usually want to form close friendships, whereas and individual with Schizoid Personality Disorder is usually not interest in relationships. In terms of the Five-Factor Model of personality, Avoidant Personality Disorder is associated with low extraversion and high neuroticism and Schizoid Personality Disorder is is associated with low extraversion and low neuroticism.

[@Neverseenstars]

i was always shy, but then i devoped severe social anxiety from the age of 12-14 After that i became avoidant but ive never had self esteem issues really, and i did crave intamate relationships howevee over time i became disinterested in social relationships which has prevented me from moving beyond my social anxiety that caused me to have no friends basically im stuck. i cant move forward. because i have no interest to move on anymore. i really feel content, almost happy being alone. and i hate social interaction.

[@paulinewhitehouse8023]

OMG, after listening to all this from Dr GRANDE on Personality Disorders etc, I now don't know who I am.

[@illyillyill]

My parents narcissism, caused me to become a schizoid. Write that one down guys. I'm not BS'ing. I'll be honest though, yes i want help, but i also see great benefit in being a schizoid. I truly believe that my disorder (SPD) is the natural mental counter disorder to (NPD) (narcissistic personality disorder). Narcissists love to criticize people, or belittle, or intimidate, or DISCARD others, and i never feel ANY of it. I can tell by the look on their faces that that scares the living SHIT out of them, and i love that. That's all i'll say for now, but thanks for the videos. I'm glad i found them.

[@Me-eb3wv]

My brother is like that

[@sameash2990]

Narcissists also like to project.

[@daivapaukstis1259]

That means the only way you experience true joy in your life is by watching others stuffer.

[@daivapaukstis1259]

That means the only way you experience true joy in your life is by watching others suffer

[@wyattbunnell8083]

So your telling me that the worst enemy of a narcissist is a schizoid the one that can defeat them

[@SpaceCattttt]

I'm a diagnosed Avoidant, but I also share more than half of the characteristics traditionally associated with schizoid behavior. I tend to fluctuate between the two. It all depends on what my mood is like on any given day or from moment to moment. The one aspect that's always present, however, is the constant and numbing sense of apathy. Whether I avoid things out of fear or because I'm indifferent, I always lack purpose and ambition. So for me, apathy's the glue between these 2 horrible personality disorders.

[@datguy6745]

I feel like im Schizoid towards EVERY single person in my life, but when facing my Crush i fear being rejected. Literally the only person that i care about.

[@prince223681]

I somehow feel like I have a mixture of the 2

[@wyattbunnell8083]

Me too

[@dasit6034]

its because these are both man made concepts. its more about individual symptoms. their cause. and how to address them moving forward

[@will.a.benjamin]

Me too, it's like I have a moderate combination of the two. For me it's not too complicated, I just don't really like people in general and never did. I have my family and a few close friends I can tolerate but that's it.

[@Diesense]

I have both, mostly schizoid.

[@Forgemno]

Depends on the vibe/atmosphere

[@leeannsummerfield3989]

There is still a lot that is over-simplified about these disorders (I am schizoid). Schizoids have given up, whereas Avoidants still have a hope of connecting. Something that keeps being left out is how dissociative many schizoids (and avoidants) are, for example, having elaborate fantasy lives with internal “families or characters” that meet their own emotional needs. And so there IS a need for human connection, however, it is being met internally. You can’t expect every person to fit definitions and be recognizable!

[@johnryan263]

Your way of articulating these mental disorders is beyond amazing. I truly owe you a dept of gratitude. My main mental disorder is Schizoid Personality disorder. Its that deep sense of detachment to people even to things. Your the only person on KZbin that's been able to hold my interest for more than a week. I have been watching your videos for at least 2-3 months now. In my book that's a miracle. If i walk away tomorrow or next week I would like to let you know that you have helped to changed the direction of my life. Thanks again

[@marybachmann]

Finally, I see a value in understanding the OCEAN model. It does actually help in expressing and understanding the differences between what seem to be similar disorders.

[@cardiac711]

I have all symptoms of avpd. Fear of rejection and embarrassment rule my life.

[@will.a.benjamin]

I have both of these disorders with varying degrees of symptoms throughout my life. I had predominantly Avoidant symptoms when I was in my teens. From my late 20's on I've had predominantly Schizoid symptoms. I'm 40 now and consider myself a higher functioning Schizoid.

[@miahleissa9599]

Thank you, Dr. Grande. This video was very helpful to me for complicated reasons. My mother was "paranoid, schizoid personality with narcissistic qualities". That was her diagnosis I saw on a doctor's letter years ago, and now that I can listen to these videos, it makes total sense to me. I have only been diagnosed as having PTSD and generalized anxiety, however having heard this video, I would say I am most positively also an "avoidant personality" and hyper sensitive. no doubt about it. I've undergone much therapy in my past in order to be functional and accomplish my educational goals for the most part, but this video will help me going forward, so thanks... very much appreciated. I feel like you're filling in a few gaps here. ;)

[@DrGrande]

You're welcome!

[@bluelover929]

I was diagnosed as avoidant at around age 12-13, when I would fight with my mother on trivial things and tried every way I could not to go to school. everything was anxiety inducing and miserable. Today, at age 24, I can see what may have been the cause. I have recently been diagnosed with severe ADHD-PI, this has been untreated up until one year ago and I have suffered for it. Suffering from fear of inevitable failure and awkwardness at an age where hormones run amok. Everything piled on until I could not even go to the movies without panic attacks. I coped from age 15 until 23, doing better until I hit a performance plateau. I could not hold a job and go to school, nor could I work full time. I was just tired all the time, could not retain information, (not just tired/lazy, I could not focus, do basic tasks etc no matter how much I willed myself) and I was tired of not feeling like a full person, I couldn't live that way, literally. Recently? I went to a neuro and he's helped me with the adhd, but unfortunately there are some things that have stuck with me and I'm not sure if the sensory overload is from the adhd or past issues, but I wonder if you could do something on non-autism/spectrum related sensory disorders? That would be interesting.

[@hxacalifornia2286]

I know I have something I became so numb to social relationships that I don't even bother. The only reason I have 2 friends is because I known them since elementary and they understand how I am and accept me for me. They know I dont say much they know I have nothing against them . I wanna thank those two only friends I have since back in the day so much. I am in capable of building relationships with anyone . Even when people try to talk to me I dont contribute much to the conversation. When I do for some reason they just lose interest in what I have to say. I feel so much happier alone and I love to do solitary activities, I avoid women too I dont even deal with them as well. I am going to die alone but the thing is I dont care because I love me.

[@jimschwartz1502]

It is interesting that some of the traits of "schizoid personality disorder" are actually qualities that are sought after in some Eastern religions (like Hinduism, Jainism and Buddhism)... for example, "detachment" and "indifference to praise and criticism" and transcending sexual desire.

[@mikebaker2436]

I am a diagnosed Schizoid. The Schizoid life is not a transcendence beyond these things but a numbness and indifference to them. The similarity ends there at the superficial level. Schizoid certainly isn't eastern enlightenment as that is a loss of all self identity into the universal whole where all become one and the ego is surrendered. The Schizoid is antithetical to this as it is an ultimate independence and preservation of self identity at the expense of everything else. As a Schizoid, the ultimate aim of the eastern religions listed above is existentially horrifying to me.

[@yeetyeetyeet1967]

@roki feler i am schizoid and i only came once during sex

[@SBrown-ti8xe]

@@mikebaker2436 I agree it is existentially terrifying, the ego is to be used not surrendered.

[@SkaterNick98]

Thanks for the clarificatin! I don't see many resources in which avoidant personality is explored in depth, and even fewer resources on tips for treatment and management. It would be extremely helpful and, in my opinion, direly needed.

[@friedmule5403]

Great video! I use to say that a Schizoid is alone by choice, an Avoidant is forced to be alone.

[@marisamarino7462]

I have a boyfriend who seems to either have schizoid or avoidant personality traits. I’m a therapist and still can not pinpoint it. One huge issue is that he shows almost zero excitement for activities or hobbies- almost looks like apathy. He is also the most non romantic person I know. We have dated two years and he has never just given me a love note or a gift just because he loves me. It’s like he doesn’t think about me at all.. at least it feels that way. It looks like self absorption or narcissism at times. He is not humorous or expressive. He seems very inhibited and has a lot of anxiety. If we end up talking to a worker in say a pet store he will just walk away if the conversation goes too long. It’s bizarre. I can tell I’m frustrated and angry on the inside because my emotional needs are not being met in the relationship. He has said if I want love notes or little gifts then I should go find a different man. I’m considering taking his advice at this point because this doesn’t seem like it will change. I would think if you loved someone you would want to do things you know would bring joy to their lives. With him- if he doesn’t benefit in some way, he is not investing his time, thoughts, money, etc. the only time he gets excited- temporarily- is when he buys something for himself. Is selfishness part of this whole thing?

[@cindyrhodes]

Thank you for this. I am only recently understanding Avoidant PD. Your videos help so much!

[@BOLOGNAspinsPOI]

I sit here lonely and bored.. recently fired from my job wondering wth is wrong with me. It feels hopeless. I don't want friends but I need someone to fill the void. .then I want them to leave me alone

[@xagon2012]

Wow. I knew I have an avoidant personality but I wasn't aware that I fit ALL the criteria to the letter. I have fortunately started a therapy two years ago (1/2 a year single and 1 1/2 years of group therapy) and I have definitely made progress toward my goal of overcoming my isolation.

[@qiuwbr091]

I wish you would talk about how fear of mortality can form an avoidant personality.

[@manuelrocha9762]

I was diagnosed as a narc when I was a child but the more I look into it the more confused I am. I think I'm misdiagnosed or have more than one personality disorder. Know in I'm a narc so I avoid contact with others. I don't want to trouble anyone. I don't want to hurt people's feelings. So I'm completely alone and cut off from the world. The best way to show I love people is to stay away. So I do.

[@paigehodges]

Manuel Rocha - if you don’t want to trouble people and you don’t want to hurt their feelings - it seems very unlikely that you are a narcissist Manual. I would question this diagnosis from your childhood. Maybe look into trauma impact and coping etc if you are interested. Best to you - Paige

[@rightnow5839]

👍🏻 Very understandable teaching. Your good at teaching. 😊

[@steve_x9582]

I'm surprised how no one so far mentioned the possible connection between schizoid PD and the INTJ/P personalities. I'm an INTJ and also schizoid (not avoidant though).

[@CreshaEsparza]

I was wondering this as well, I am INTJ but avpd. Reading about the enneagrams and finding out I was a 5, in the description it mentions those who are type 5 and are correspondent with having schizoid and or avoidant pd.

[@leflop4808]

Schizoid sounds INTP Avoidant sounds INFP

[@dr.bshousecalls141]

It seems a very thin line between APD and schizoid personality. I appreciate your clarification of the few defining differences. Given initial positive results from trials of MDMA-assisted psychotherapy in treating PTSD, I look forward to trials of MDMA-AP in treating Avoidant Personality Disorder, which although more of a "hard-wired" situation than PTSD, seems to share quite a few manifestations. It is such a frustrating disorder for patients, therapists, physicians, and families.

[@louiseroman1145]

This is the question I had. Thanks for the explanation. Very interesting, the differences between the two.

[@amicus9811]

Very interesting and helpful- thanks for explaining so well

[@obsticle714]

This is great, I really like the way you explain topics in your videos.

[@sstritmatter2158]

This was an excellent video and demonstrates your professionalism in your field. This video has helped me - what a great find!

[@cindyrhodes]

I'm definitely more avoidant than schizo; I actually DO desire to have long-lasting relationships, but they always seem to end up being weird. LOL I don't understand what I do to people..... or maybe it's just that I need to choose friends better. As an artist, I'm in the company of a lot of folks who almost feel entitled to their disorders. (I'm not perfect at all, and I recognize that, but I don't understand what it is that I do to bring out the crazy in people.) For instance, one woman whose friendship I thought I was enjoying ended up having an obsession with haranguing someone she targeted for some reason and because that bothered me, I became a target for her lol. Another one showed her grand. narc. traits after a few months and I could not stand being in her company anymore. Then another one ended up just drinking and smoking pot all the time, and I don't enjoy being in the company who can't carry on an intelligent conversation. Where are all the people who actually want to discuss interesting things and get involved in projects with me? I dunno.

[@realdarcia2354]

I started as avoident, its been such a long time i ve lost intrest. I dont care anymore. I ve missed the train and this station is getting cold and dark. All i want now is to be gone for ever. I dont have much time to go. Just wanted to leave this memory here.

[@mtbd215]

fascinating and informative. very well spoken, masterful explanation.

[@slugpowder4421]

What a great analysis. Thank you

[@DrGrande]

You're welcome!

[@shaanz2.087]

Now there is clarity in behavioral patterns of many I come across.

[@yourenough3]

Great explanation. Thank you

[@bo7953]

Self consciousness -> vulnerability -> anxiety + long time unattended -> depression It really looks like just one thing...

[@ushalincoln9224]

This video helped me better understand the differences and how it is determined

[@suk4honesty]

I agree with another commenter, I'd greatly appreciate a video on key ways to manage living with avpd

[@DrGrande]

I will add this idea to the production list. Thank you!

[@ramshakhan7705]

Perfectly explained ❤️

[@sstritmatter2158]

Very well described and concise.

[@jiminy_cricket777]

Dr Grande, one thing I wish you had mentioned in this video is the debate amongst scholars in the 80s when DSM III was being written up, around these two constructs. Salman Akhtar wrote at least one, and I think several articles on this issue of differentiation of Schizoid and avoidant PDs.. something to track down for anyone who is more interested in this issue. Akhtar also has written some interesting stuff on schizoid PD and what it feels like.

[@guillermodelatorre8592]

All I know is that I am the result of bad circumstances; and no one is blame, but ignorance itself, there is no good or bad people, only human behavior.

[@CognitiveCode365]

Thank you very much..great explanation

[@shelbycurtis2341]

Thank you !! You are an amazing Professor!!!!

[@tonihudson6749]

Thanks again for another informative video. I would greatly appreciate information on schizoaffective and borderline disorders. I haven't found much information on comparing or combining these two disorders.

[@sijadenedd6337]

Hello Graduate student in Clinical Counseling! Thank you for this lovely breakdown!

[@ryandelta11]

Great video, thanks!

[@DrGrande]

You're welcome!

[@MCJOHNSON95]

Ok Im avoidant more so. High introversion and high neuroticism.

[@TrillaTRU]

Craig Szymanski I feel the same and trying to figure it out. I only care about my appearance because of myself not others. I don’t care to build relationships either

[@jorgezuniga158]

Hello Dr. Todd Grande, I have lots of questions about schizoid personality disorder: 1) There is a book called '' Emotional Dumb: An overview of Alexithymia by Jason Thompson. He says that alexithymia is different than SPD, I would like to know if there is a difference Between the flact affect of SPD and Alexithymia. 2) If schizoids have a flat affect can they cry, laugh about a joke, something funny?, feel guilt, fear of People? Do they really get to bond with some People if they go to therapy? 3) About the causes of SPD, I have read that Schizoid, Schizotypal and Paranoid personality disorders share genes with schizophrenia, I ask this because some other articles says that some risk factors are emotional neglect in childhood, childhood abuse or an enviorment of emotional coldness, so my question is, if that's true, Wouldn't be all children who have suffered from childhood emotional NEGLECT had SPD.? 4) Dr. Jonice Webb talks about alexithymia as a result in many cases of childhood emotional neglect. I would like to know your opinion. Thank you.

[@mikebaker2436]

If you only meet some of the mandatory criteria for a diagnosis then you don't meet the requirements. The DSM is also not a self-diagnostic tool. I meet some of the mandatory criteria to be a member of the US Senate. That doesn't make me "a little Senatorish" or "a mix of auto mechanic and senator". Logically, mandatory requirements don't work that way. Different diagnoses have similar criteria, comorbidity effects how symptoms are expressed, and none of us are self-aware enough to objectively evaluate our own behavior to the degree clinical diagnostic tools require.

[@batintheattic7293]

Dr. Grande - can you please talk about what is good and beneficial about the more sensitive personality. You've treated enough of them.

[@jaynepride8646]

Over the course of many years, I wonder if AVPD can turn into Schizoid pd?

[@kierstenpressfield9077]

It seems that stress and trauma could increase that likelihood.

[@will.a.benjamin]

I think so. I was more avoidant in my teens and 20's. I'm 40 now and I've become more schizoid.

[@m.f.richardson1602]

Interestingly confusing. Thank you Peace 💕🇺🇲

[@will.a.benjamin]

Pretty sure I'm a combination of these two.

[@one-xb1zs]

I grew up having avpd but I, for some reason, developed spd as a form of coping mechanism. I find it real hard to understand myself because there are times when I feel so avoidant but there are also times that I can feel the spd in me taking over. Like, I don’t really have them at the same time but I observed that my avpd is more dominant although there are times where my spd is taking over. Is it possible?

[@29outlaw]

I appear apathetic, but I prefer to call it jaded, and easily bored. Even though I might like to look at Renaissance art for example, I don't need to stare at Michelangelo's David for 30 minutes. About 2 minutes is all I need, and I'm ready to move to the next sculpture or painting. That's why I do everything alone.

[@HaroldCrews]

Well, I have little if any neuroticism. That clears things up.

[@BasedGodEmperorTrump]

Dr. Grande, is there any research or theories that these two can be a type one versus type two or maybe "Passive and Active" Schizioid personality disorder? Sort of like Overt and Covert narcissism etc?

[@jackrainwater7966]

Reminds me of "Anesthesia" by Type O Negative.

[@SuperChloroplast]

Hi, I would say that up to 70% of symptoms of SPD I have but some are very mess up like emotion - I have always though about myself as a full of empathy person, but was heard many times by my very observant partner that I am like psychopath - no emotion at all. I miss social interaction but at the same time I cannot build them up or after 30 min I loosing interest ( and of course people see that I do not participate fully - always on the side). Same hear from my sisters - building some wall. My partner tried to get to my core. I tried to change but it's like a gum - I stretch a little and get back where I was. It like subconsciously I protect my true self ( which is 13 year old child) and nothing can change it. I pay my bills, I am independent, I do career, but I am childish in some way. I am scare ( deep inside) of real responsibility such as being parents, marriage etc. Unfortunately, it has a very bad impact on my relation. I play "home" , I think I do everything what life together required, but I am often off, I do not run life together. I am feeling sorry that my partner invested 13 years of his life to be with me and now ..I did not know. And as I am getting older I am getting tired of playing. Yes, I daydream a lot. At the same time I don;t want go to psychiatrist as I don't want have any this kid of records. What is wrong with me?

[@wendyleeconnelly2939]

The 5 factor model helps with differential diagnosis. But what does those factor traits look like if someone is comorbid with more than one personality disorder?

[@priscillacrockett4881]

Damn. I'm avoidant for sure, but I dont have close friends, havent dated in seven years & dont plan to, happiest when I'm alone with my pets. I'm very nice to people and tolerate most of them, but compliments make me super suspicious and I am NOT open to flirting. Lol.

[@arcanecontent]

+Todd Grande In the case of co-morbidity of Avoidant Personality Disorder and Schizoid Personality Disorder, what about the Big 5 criteria? Specifically, what about neuroticism - is it high or low? How can one tell based on that test(Big 5)?

[@one-xb1zs]

Is it possible for them to coexist together? Or can an avoidant person develop schizoid over the course of time?

[@tudormiller887]

I always believed I had the symptoms of both AVPD & SPD as a child & now as an adult.

[@jinglerpuff8630]

I have something similar to schizoid, emotional alexithymia, makes me feel apathy to the point I’m indifferent to sex. I thought I had social anxiety but the fact that I have emotional alexithymia rules that out, have I experienced shame under social situations?Of course, but that doesn’t rule out emotional alexithymia as apathy that is a result of alexithymia is there, therefore it’s like a form of schizoid syndrome.

[@clintjohnson8140]

I have both.

[@zenafied]

I think I went from Avoidant to Schizoid... I still have avoidant traits, they're just covered up by this apathetic fog that I can't break through. I still have borderline traits too, and that's a really weird thing to experience. It's also weird for others. When my face goes from nothing to rage in 0.5 seconds and I accidentally hit their head with a bottle. :( I need help. I've been in therapy for a year and was in therapy for 4 months before that... neither CBT nor psychodynamic is doing it for me. I heard psychodynamic was best for this kind of dissociation / detachment which is why I'm doing that now, but honestly it doesn't help me manage day to day... not sure anything will.

[@mikebaker2436]

I am a diagnosed Schizoid. Nothing that you described comes close to describing the disorder as I experience it or as the DSM describes it. The Schizoid apathy is not a fog that covers something else. It just is and there isn't much else no matter how deep you go, no matter what happens to you, and that is all there is for decades with no real change. I encourage you to keep looking and continue counseling to find your answers.

Very honest of you. Not many people want to realize these things. keep growing. :)

[@will.a.benjamin]

Me too, I still have traits of both but I was much more avoidant when I was younger and became more schizoid in my late 20's.

[@jaymejibbs4305]

What psychodynamic approach is it? I know its distressing when you're not seeing results but hang in there, im on year 2 of humanistic approach to psychotherapy and things are getting a little easier. Take care of yourself!

[@rudydeleon1146]

Can long term avoidant become schizoid?

[@nidaaazeez691]

Thanks Dr My question is can schizoid personality be seen in bipolar patient, high functioning Autism Or it different , to be diagnosed when the patient have not able to express them self Thanks in advance

[@timucintarakc2281]

you have a look of a very competent man doctor.

[@carmella12345]

Hi, I have a daughter who was diagnosed with Schizoaffective disorder and I was wondering if you could make a video to explain in depth what it is and what as parents we can expect. I am just so deeply saddened by what happened to my daughter.

[@gbzus6849]

So if I meet all the criteria for SPD, that doesn’t necessarily mean I have it right? What is required in order for a diagnosis (or lack thereof) to be determined?

[@maryriley6163]

Very interesting topics. Especially the reasons behind both disorders. I find that my anxiety to please everyone wears me to the bone. I like people, but in small doses. Long visits are mentally exhausting and I feel like the longer the visit, the more mistakes I have probably made and I spend the rest of the day second guessing myself. I grew up having to keep my narcissistic father pleased every changing minute. He was self-involved, self-pitying, critical, demanding, capricious and had explained to me when I was a child all the ways that women are worthless and disloyal and use a man just to get what they want. I spent 58 years trying to make sure he wouldn't think those things about me. He passed away seven years ago but I still feel like I need to please everyone and in an hour I'm worn out and rattled from smiling and feeling inept and just want to escape. I wonder if I am in turn wearing everyone out.

[@nathalieconnor5803]

What is the rationale behind combining the two in the DSM?

[@FreakG.M.O]

“21st century schizoid man”

[@jackrainwater7966]

Sounds like the title of an interesting book.

[@Forgemno]

@@jackrainwater7966was that a Kayne west reference?

[@AliaMasotti]

Is it possible to shift from borderline to avoidant and then schizoid? As someone already suggested, it may be that too much stress kills or lock emotions and desire of them too far from being experienced... I'm confused because I see myself consistent with all three disorders in different periods and I feel the difference is just contingent

[@shelza33]

I have Asperger's and BPD when I was younger. I grew out of BDP. But later in life I think I developed APD as a result of some major emotional trauma. Now I like being on my own. But I think life can throw some big ones at us at times, to the point emotions are blocked or something dramatically shifts inside of us.

[@zenafied]

Holy shit, this sounds like me. Well sort of. I feel like I'm all three.

[@AliaMasotti]

How would you describe how you shift between the three? After a month I doubt I have a diagnosis and maybe some traits belonging to these disorders. My case is that the lack of even normal emotional life started right from childhood; I had intense emotional episodes twice during high school and then three in in my 20s, during the last 3/4 years. They are extremely occasional and even if they have BPD features you need a consistency over at least 2 years in order to be diagnosed. The rest of the time I've been more or less numb towards people, activities, desire and motivation, the only thing being that I wasn't very aware due to social/family pressure. I think boredom and a lot of "mental space" made me wear "fake" mask of desires and duties. In fact the enthusiasm of 99% of them didn't last for few weeks at most. Now I'm a deep process of acceptance because I'm kinda close to the childhood origin af all this, and to me is very easy to embrace my "peaceful schizoid" side. The origin seems to hide a enormous pain and I'm not sure if I want to let it emerge. I'm more interested in investing in those things that really make me happy and peaceful. Anyhow, for all my life I experienced emotions as something else from me. Also, I avoided trigger situations for different reasons and as reaction of specific things, not as a regular pattern. Usually I don't avoid, simply I'm not interested and am not emotionally affected.

[@ck2d]

No - they are different clusters. He's made other videos explaining this.

[@qiuwbr091]

This does relieve the burden of self labeling. Example: If a child is moderately extroverted to say the age 12 years. (This could be any childhood age for others) Then a family tragedy occurs the same child could become more avoidant or change their self evaluations to less positive, and that is ‘avoidant.’ If they are allowed or encouraged by others to keep the newer negative beliefs they become even more socially avoidant. However, I think you said in a previous video that avoidant children might study by themselves which leads to success. So they get a ‘payoff’ by being avoidant even though they remain socially damaged. (I think you are leading me to social insights about many people....Sir Fleming, the man who discovered precursor to antibiotics was socially avoidant, and really messy. The discovery was by a sort of default method. But it has saved billions of lives across the world since the middle 1940’s. Now if I can just remember to apply all this.)

[@davidsweeney111]

Is there also a distinction between these and the lack of social interaction seen in Asperger's?

[@DrGrande]

That is a good question. I have been reading articles on high functioning autism and comorbid personality disorders. I hope to produce a video on this topic soon.

[@davidsweeney111]

Dr Grande, Chris Packham is a successful TV broadcaster (www.bbc.co.uk/events/epq9hn/live/cchp5v) but recently admitted he has Asperger's which was quite a surprise for those who watch him as he functions at a high cognitive level (HFA?), he was made a professor at the university I went to and has made some interesting videos about his experience which is what prompted the question, kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3KnY3mNlK15pKM, kzbin.info/www/bejne/pnmtmKqne52hpMk, many thanks for replying, will be very interested to hear your analysis, I think it's a very interesting topic!

[@kiraPh1234k]

I don't like that just because these behaviors are different from the average, that they are called "disorders". For instance, I am Schizoid and some of "our behaviors" seem healthier than the average to me, such as not caring what people think of us. For so much of my life, I could not figure out why "the bandwagon" was so sought after, even though it involved clearly flawed perspective. Glorifying ignorance and spending hundreds on shoes were prime examples of what children loved in my childhood and when I get older I find out that my aversion to their activities was due to this classifiable behavior of mine that has the word "disorder" attached to it. And that the people who were drawn in to ignoring their education and getting their parents to waste their income on shoes were "normal". Certainly there are things that impede me in life, mostly due to misunderstanding in the workplace, but I don't think it is more or less healthy overall to have such a "disorder".

[@suk4honesty]

??? Not being materialistic is not a part of any diagnostic criteria.

[@shadrach6299]

kiraPh1234k They are called disorders bc they interfere with the individual's ability to adjust and find happiness.

[@alyssahansen1400]

kiraPh1234k They're considered to be disorders because they impede the individual's daily living. Schizoid people often are unable to feel the normal range of emotions and have difficulty reacting appropriately in social situations because of their diluted or absent emotional responses.

[@Neverseenstars]

kiraPh1234k Most Schizoids believe there is nothing wrong with them but yeah i agree.

[@ilikeknives1000]

what is the benefit of said associations ???

[@sexobscura]

*ever get the feeling you're being watched*

[@Jerrongamereview]

No but Michael Jackson does

[@Karaunicorn]

Feeling self conscious in public makes me feel that I'm being scrutinized.

[@Annedowntherabbithole]

My mother is a hoarder and seems to have schizoid personality disorder. I wondered if the hoarding disorder is often linked to the schizoid personality disorder

[@anonymous-rj6ok]

Could you explain to me how I've been diagnosed with both, Dr. Grande?

[@Back-Space.]

@@pocoeagle2 Being diagnosed with SPD and AVPD is definitely possible and actually very common. They are comorbid. I've been diagnosed with both. I'm usually near emotionless and I have very little interest in forming relationships with humans, but I'm sensitive to criticism.

[@mikebaker2436]

There is a theory among some (key some) clinicians that they are similar or the same. There is no hard data to support this. The idea that they are the same or comorbid when their criteria are so mutually exclusive makes no logical sense to me.

[@teresas8173]

BackSpace .... I have found that I’m becoming this way over the years...Avoidant to Schizoid.

[@thestylesworld]

How to differentiate an introvert personality from Schizoid?

[@dorothysargasso5585]

Non-expert opinion: you don't, because they are not both disorders and can happen simultaneously. Many people are introverts, a few of them are schizoid. If you need alone time, have a hard time socializing in the traditional sense etc, you are an introvert. If you prefer to be alone, are detached and unaffected by praise/criticism etc you are schizoid. Despite the seemingly common factor of being seen as a loner, each of them has many other contributing 'symptoms' and it is entirely possible you may be both.

[@alisonwilks302]

What about narcissistic personality disorder and ASD ??? I can't figure out the difference in my family member xxxxxxxx

[@pamelakern2849]

Can life experiences cause these disorders??

[@jackrainwater7966]

Yes, please do a update video on your theories about how such symptoms manifest.

[@n.johanness7451]

Psychodynamic authors tend to disagree with the DSM criteria for these two disorders though, and people who fulfill criteria for DSM schizoid PD since DSM-III (1980) are so few that the very construct seems flawed. Traits of schizoid, schizotypal and avoidant PD constructs blend a lot more in reality than in the manuals.

[@rightnow5839]

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[@kimreynosotolentino]

Dr.Grande what is your intake. if schizoid and avoidant is different, then why avoidant personality disorder is not anymore in DSM-V?

[@Dragumix]

According to this source www mentalhelp net/personality-disorders/cluster-c/ it is still in DSM 5.

[@Dragumix]

According to this source mentalhelp net / personality-disorders / cluster-c / it is still in DSM 5.

[@Dragumix]

I seem to have problems to cite the source (youtube seems to filter out links). But according to what I have read, it is still in the DSM 5.

[@rgonzalo511]

What causes someone to develop schizoid?

[@lmbarnes3]

Does avoid parent create schizoid child?

[@Djejsksocowkw]

My ex is schuzoid personality disorder and he dumped me because of spd thank you

[@SimonB.]

I dont even want to meet people and make friends. Too boring.

[@ihavetopowerofgodandanimeo2551]

How can these 2 be confused? Big part of spd is that we don't care what other people think but avoidant personality disorder is the exact opposite

[@RaeMePlay]

Can a person have more than one Cluster disorder?

[@mikebaker2436]

If this question is "Can a person have disorders from different clusters at the same time?" the answer is Yes.

[@camarorules1]

You can develop these disorders just by what you have been thrugh emotionally...does anyone have a healthy life experience...I mean really..I doubt it

[@Karaunicorn]

I think some people pretend to.

[@kittenmittons10]

INTADESTING.....

[@FloppedASF]

Can i be both avoidant and schizoid..

[@Thomas-jf3eu]

Well, the way I look at it is that the symptoms of each cancel each other out. They're quite different as Dr. Grande mentioned.

[@anonymous-rj6ok]

I have been diagnosed with both. The way my psychiatrist explained it was I was genetically born with avpd, with schizoid pd as a coping mechanism to deal with the avpd.

[@kinocchio]

ano nymous oh my god that is totally me ...

[@Back-Space.]

Yes, you can. They are often comorbid.

[@blorpinino999]

Absolutely. In 1994 I was diagnosed by a USAF shrink as having "Personality disorder with schizoid & avoidant features". I was honorably mustered out of the service after 21 months, and didn't bother fighting the diagnosis after learning more about the 2 disorders...furthermore, I never understood why they were called "disorders" when they felt perfectly normal & natural to me.

[@juremustac2218]

it's more cool to be schizoid than avoidant.