What Is The Difference Between The Shah's Rule Of Iran vs Khomeini?

In this short clip, Patrick Bet-David, Nazanin Nour, Mortea Alborzi, Polet Sabetimani, and Vincent Oshana talk about whether or not the Shah should have been exiled from Iran.
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[@Allinone_MMA]

My dad fought in the 1979 revolution, he hasn’t been in Iran since 1984. He tells me some insane stories about the father shah the son, and Khomeinis reign. My mother grew up during the opium crisis and went from wearing leather jackets to full hijabs so Iran is one of the craziest transitions of ruling. Also we are Iranian Armenian so we are orthodox Christian

[@repentancenow]

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[@kianis1206]

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[@babak2180]

We love our armenian brothers ❤️ you found safety in our country hundreds of years ago and until this day we are brothers under one flag 🇮🇷

[@Allinone_MMA]

@@babak2180 🇦🇲🇦🇲🇮🇷🇮🇷

[@dnajournal4321]

The Safavid (religious) Iranians built churches for your Armenian ancestors 300 years ago. How sad their offspring are rewarded with Iranian Armenian haters.

[@Fee581]

The more they criticise you my man, the more I deeply love you. Javid shah forever.

[@nimash6273]

Shah (the late King) and his father, King Reza I, really loved Iran and the people, and did whatever They could do for them. Javid Shah (Long Live the King) For ever!

[@nimash6273]

@@mohammedsea857 Yes, so? Why not comparing every development indicator, including litracy rate, right before The Pahlavi Dynasty and after? and I tell you now, All indicators show the Pahlavi dynasty served Iran In a way no one had done in the last 1400 years. Javid Shah!

[@arvand11]

Thank you for using your platform for Iran. As an Iranian born in Sweden due to the revolution, we heard so much growing up about the Shah, Khomeini etc. For anyone who wants to know more about 1979 revolution, the shah, the role of the USA and Uk in the return of the goul Khomeini to Iran. I recommend a book by Dr Abbas Milani called The Shah.

[@ANON-kg3iy]

Khomeini wasn't a ghoul lol. Iranians love him. Remember that the majority of Iranians voted FOR the Islamic Republic of Iran. Did they not expect Islamic laws?

[@arvand11]

@@ANON-kg3iy You my friend are what they call an internet troll and an uneducated maggot minded imbecile (to put it lightly). That immense episode in Iran and world history cannot be reduced to that simple sentence that "people voted for the islamic republic". Go read a book, how about The Shah. I promise after reading it you will not write such stupid stuff again.

[@ItNeverBeganBuddyBoyo]

Is that book in English?

[@ANON-kg3iy]

@@arvand11 oh aren't you the intellectual? Typical anti I.R. folk insulting others who don't share the same opinions as them.

[@arvand11]

@@ANON-kg3iy What happened did my words hurt the feelings of the internet troll? It was rather you who insulted and belittled the Iranian people with your stupid remarks. I just confronted you on your nonsense.

[@farraf4009]

No comparison, we loved our King and we still do. We hated Khomeini and we still do. JAVID SHAH

[@donnosypinocchio4462]

All I know is phill leatardo from the sopranos says “you know tony says That I look like the shah of Iran 😀

[@shaiwein9717]

He compromised

[@Come-and-take-it]

You all should bring Farhad Kashani. He's got really good thoughts, experiences, and views which would make this discussion much more interesting!!! thanks

[@adrianblaze]

Is there anyway to speed up the whole podcast (1.25x, 1.5x, 1.75x, 2x) like we can do on KZbin?

[@jakopyan]

And the Shaw probably still holds the world record for having the best party in the world

[@65tallmax]

Not a good thing though

[@jakopyan]

@@65tallmax I agree 100% bad timing and massive over expenditure

[@joeyyc8515]

@@jakopyan people don’t seem to understand that the Shah was showcasing Iran to be the Jewel of the Middle East. If the Shah had stayed in power, Iran would be the most dominant country, or empire, in that region today, boasting freedoms only seen in the West.

[@jakopyan]

@@joeyyc8515 I agree I wish he did it more discretely so he could see his successes

[@tbeng12]

Just listen to what is being said after min 4, so legit and accurate. 25 y/o iranian btw typing this from Iran.

[@CoachAli]

This was fantastic. Merci baradar 🙏

[@zxera9702]

Merci?

[@ItNeverBeganBuddyBoyo]

@@zxera9702 means thank you. Another way iranians say thank you. Taken up by french id imagine

[@kv5390]

David, I recommend you to interview with Dr Abbas Milani. He is historian and has done comprehensive study on Iran contemporary history specially on MASHROOTE revelotion till 1979 revelation.

[@aidindgpv]

Yes, that would be great, I agree.

[@sadramohajer2994]

Shah celebrated the 2500 year history of the greatest known king. One of the most respected and admired king of the history on earth. The first ever king that INVENED human rights and many more. It`s so bitter that this celebration was used against him. This was only one of the events. When shah raised the price of oil, USA raised the price of aluminum, steel, spare parts first. Now your talking about Savak, FBI, CIA, SECRET SERVICE, MI6, etc. they are and were way more dirtier than savak when it came to national security. Why doesn't America talk about that.

[@seanb7443]

Anecdotal Evidence: My mom protested in the 70's when she was in college against the Shah. I can't remember what sparked it. She told me Khomeini wasn't even in the conversation. Her father was decently connected in political during the Shah Era. From him she learned that the Shah wanted to kill Khomeini, but "certain people" said not to and exile him instead. Shahs memoir alludes to the similar interactions with western governments. Khomeini was possibly supported by JFK during the 1963 protests, and changed his mind according to the anecdotal evidence by the Shah. Iran and the West Relationship is difficult since the 40's Iran in 1943 "Invasion of Iran". Last Shah replaced his father. 1953: Coup to remove Mossadegh in 1953(CIA/MI6 planned 2013 released CIA classified documents). 1963: Protest first sign of Khomeini(Supposedly support by JFK - anecdotal evidence by the Shah). 1978-1979 Carter contact with Khomeini and possible support as he wasn't against the overthrow(classified documents released). Khomeini went very radical once he came to power, going against promises, and becoming something no once expected. Then you had the Iran-Iraq war which the "West." His Anti-West statements where probably solidified their. There is so much conspiracy and stuff straight out of spy film. At the time of the Shah Iran was the most powerful force in the Middle East, and it had the most valuable resource(oil). It is not unfathomable that the "West" wanted instability. The best part of the movement right now is that international community are seeing that the Government does not reflect its people, and it has pretty much been that way since the beginning. Conspiracy: The Islamic Republic could just be a plant for the "West" creating instability in the region to allow exploitation of resources in the area. It is not impossible as the "west" was involved with Saddam, Osama, Gaddafi, 1951 US' military alliance with Saudi. Post WW1/WW2 the Middle East started to become decolonized and countries were taking back their oil.

[@muriloninja]

That's the funny thing, NOBODY even knew of that piece of shit Khomeini. The West gave him a lavish life and place in France. It was just more Western interventionist BS, everyone thinks they are against the Sha to get rid Monarchy...last minute this piece of shit is inserted and its been hell on earth ever since. This is what I say now, WHO will replace this regime? They better damn well have a plan and considering the MSM are completely ignoring whats going on in Iran I hope that is because Iranians are making the decision for themselves for a change. If they can get rid of the regime without outside powers help the better off they will be.

[@nostalgia545]

Why would you protest against the Shah? You had everything back then. So what you can’t say everything you want. I still can’t say everything I want in America in 2022, and every phone call and every message on social media is monitored by the NSA. Even back then in the 1960s there was the House Unamerican activities where they persecuted those who were sympathetic to the communists. Why is the Shah treated with extra criticism compared to other governments

[@AmirGTR]

My mother too. And she told me the exact same things.

[@nostalgia545]

@@AmirGTR Your mom should have studied harder in school instead of getting involved with politics. It’s because of people like her our country is a piece of shit now

[@Gabriel-vg5qv]

@@nostalgia545 I believe 9milj people rose against him because of his radical actions: replacing Islamic traditions with western traditions and forbidding certain clothing, basically somewhat like the communists but not entirely. Like the older gentleman in this video said, the shah should've let people be free, freedom of religion in particular (Most notable Persian polymaths in history were dedicated Muslims the likes of Avicenna), just like Turkey is now Muslims are as free as others. President Najib made the same exact mistake in Afghanistan, except he was a true commmunist, unfortunately for both leaders it was too late when they realized their own mistakes (Najib was hanged in public). Youd think they would know by now that forcing ideology or religion is a huge mistake. Of course there is the west playing its part to keep the region unstable in purpose.

[@bushman143]

When the US overthrew the democratically elected prime minister Mossadeq and installed the shah, this prevented democracy in the country while the west took profits from the oil. The savak tortured any dissidents of the shah and was one of the most feared regimes in the region supported by the top 1%. This paved the way to the theocratic regime.

[@ronaldalanperry4875]

Poor Iranians! They had a popular, democratically elected leader, until the United States decided to "overthrew" him by sending a handful of dudes from the CIA to Teheran, where they forced the helpless citizens to acclaim the Shah and chase Mossadeq into hiding in his house. All Uncle Sam had to do was snap his fingers. I'd say you don't have a high opinion of the Iranian people.

[@Fee581]

Oh god. THE SHAH WASN'T INSTALLED HE WAS ALREADY KING. The cia only helped the shah to get rid of a traitor who was trying to get power. 1) EVERY prime minister was democratically elected by the parliament. EVERY. But the shah still had the last world. 2) mossadegh put pressure on the parliament to increase his power, then closed the parliament (through a referendum ok, but a referendum where parliament members vote for the end of the parliament doesn't sound very.. democratic). In the end he jailed all of his opponents.

[@Fee581]

You also forget to say that at the beginning of the 70s the shah was slowly nationalising the oil production ( in 1973 he had the 51 percent of it, while before it was all in the hand of the west) then increased the oil price, and in the end he refused to renovate oil agreements making the west hella pissed.

[@Fee581]

The savak was authoritarian but not as bad as claimed also. God god god go away and study. We are sick and tired of hearing those lies

[@freedomsong9747]

@@Fee581 the savak was evil incarnate as all Iranians have been saying

[@alkhadr1365]

It's kinda crazy that pbd supports a dictator like the Shah of Iran but boast of freedom and capitalism.

[@martinledermann1862]

Khomeini was also a dictator and a far worse one at that.

[@CHNCJND]

"They asked the fox who is your witness, the fox answered my tail".

[@thomass1891]

The Shah was indeed non religious however most of the Iranians were starving and the literacy rate amongst the people was only at 25% and the life expectancy rate was only 52 years. Only 8% of the university graduates were female. Only those with ties to the Shah and the monarchy enjoyed any privileges. Today Iran is indeed less secular, however the literacy rate is at 86% and life expectancy is at 76 years. And 52% of all the graduates are female.

[@bohabbibab5858]

It is called passage of time mate. You have to understand where the country was before the Pahlavi dynasty, and what they did for its development whole facing the challenges of being surrounded by Arab nationalism, Iranian tribalism, Bolsheviks to the north and religious push back internally. Iran would have been a far more prosperous place now if we stayed with the Shah. Regarding women's development after the revolution, that was really a happy byproduct of the Iran Iraq war. The same way the first world war contributed to women emancipation in the west. The Pahlavi dynasty really saved Iran actually. Not that it didn't have problems. But incomparable.

[@houssedecouette4056]

@@bohabbibab5858 ifs my friend aren't an argument , and i believe what the person above was saying is that for a regime that is described obscure and mysoginistic the islamic republic sure did things that dont fit that stigma , which of course isn't an answer for all other critisisms that are made .

[@bohabbibab5858]

@@houssedecouette4056 the point is that those stats don't show what you think they show. And you would know that if you had more than a superficial understanding of what life is like for women in Iran and all the obstacles in their way. But since you like stats. Here is one for you. Despite making up 65% of university graduates (including stem subjects) they make up 20% of the workforce. And it ain't for want of trying. Ps: I just checked and there was a single "if" in my entire initial post, which makes you seem ....

[@LightWeightsBebe]

@@bohabbibab5858 calm down mate. Those metrics could have gone backwards under the IRI. As an Iranian living abroad I would prefer not to have a CIA puppet as my nation's leader.

[@bohabbibab5858]

@@LightWeightsBebe Lol, glad you set you sights high, and relieved we didn't go backward on these stats, though we have on many others. And the fact that you think the Shah was a CIA "puppet" shows that you have well and truly drunk the IRI's kool aid. Anyway, I am glad you are calm while enjoying your life outside of Iran. I personally care too much about what is happening to us in Iran to be so relaxed. And frankly I don't sign up to the rather be mistreated by our own, rather that a foreigner view that people like you sign up to. having a shit life is bad no matter who causes it, and it doesn't feel better if the cause of it is some low iq corrupt religious basiji from down the road, or someone sitting in an office in DC. But hey, to each their own. And that's ignoring the fact that the Shah, despite your misinformed superficial opinion, was not a puppet King.

[@alipourhashem1123]

God bless you brother

[@telebiopic]

Hindsight is 20/20. My grandad was from Iran, and clearly people of that time, invited the revolution because khmeni wielded populist power. Shah was detached from the nerves of the nation and had CIA for advisor.

[@muriloninja]

Most didn't even know Khomeini existed...the West inserted him and its been over since!

[@Pasha_Sabbah]

Exactly, this is what the pro-Shah Iranians in the west don’t understand, shah was a total dictator, no different than current regime. 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@Southernburrito]

I’ve only come to understand this over the past few days, I’m sorrowful & I’m furious inside at what they did to him. This was a decent man, & his Son is a compassionate understanding person. I am not a man who takes kind to deceit, treachery, & betrayal. I’ll never forget the youths who found Trouble for singing HAPPY.

[@brucewilson1958]

Too me, the great gift from God to Humans is the Ability to Choose...Free Will. A splendid use of Free Will is when an individual chooses to Independently Investigate the Truth. Sadly, from your comments, 80% of Humans Blindly Imitate their Parents and never Look Deeply into something as critical as Religious Faith.

[@toorajalamutiesmaeilialamo4283]

Nice points raised by morteza as well as Nazanin re mis administration of Jimmy's.

[@BengaliPatriot7]

Not hearing any audio

[@HistoryOfRevolutions]

Mossadegh was better than both of them.

[@zohrehgharaati2635]

Yeah he also promised free everything and people fell for that too. Don't forget that

[@timmanto1022]

The Iranian people wanted a constitutional democracy not to move from an absolute monarchy to an absolute theocracy. I had my prof who participated in the revolution explain it to us. He was absolutely disgusted by how it turned into a Totalitarian Theocratic regime.

[@polyanthesis]

The 1905 constitutional revolution is largely forgotten

[@Vostro123]

In Islamic country, any form of democracy is IMPOSSIBLE. Democracy contradicts to the foundational principles of Islam. That’s why there is no country in the world where dominant religion is Islam and there are free and transparent elections, respect to basic human rights and freedom of speech.

[@timmanto1022]

@@Vostro123 I'm sure the Qur'an has parts that talk about loving your neighbor and free will. The bible doesn't have anything explicitly about democracy either because it was written during a time of absolute monarchy as well. It's thru the teachings of the prophets that you learn about the traits of democracy. It really just depends on how that stuff is interpreted and followed. Everything is relative given time and interpretation.

[@sh-zaidi]

Why did thousands of people support Khomeini if they didn't want a theocracy?

[@meharbhamani7281]

Democracy is shit. Just look at the western downfall!

[@MrOrientalism]

Khomenei came to Iran from France- just think about it.

[@idnanali1274]

As a Pakistani i viewed the Shah positively. The people didnt understand his vision.

[@rockmcdwayne1710]

Moral of the story: If someone promises you free shit, they are full of shit! Sadly people never learn!

[@ulasantube]

I found uncut frame at 02:07 😁

[@zerotohero_jafferi7941]

Hey Patrick! Can you talk about shia islam. What it means to you and how it’s shaped the Middle East. And what ashura symbolizes?

[@az6802]

He’s a Christian… how much do you think he really knows about Shia Islam …

[@BillouNicky]

Patrick Jan, Morteza is exactly right about the Shah being too nice. He should have crushed Khomeini and the Revolutionaries. And then we would all still be in Iran. God bless him and his late, great father.

[@Mohammad14778]

This video about Iran but you don't put Iranian subtitle???????

[@akp167]

Read Ray Takeyh's book The Last Shah

[@abdulqaadir6510]

Man I ain’t no fan of the current Iranian government… but trying to defend or paint the Shah as a good guy is just RIDICULOUS

[@LobsterRavioli]

The only thing that has changed was the title of said ruler.

[@MugsMunny]

what's missing in this discussion is voices of those who support the Iranian revolution and the current government e.g. Professor Marandi or Marzieh Hashemi amongst many others. Judging by the counter protests, they are not small in number but western media has always ignored that the Iranian Islamic government does have popular support. Just look at how many people came out for Imam Khomeini's funeral or to put an end to the green movement, or even more recently to support the government against those who want to bring it down.

[@Valkyri3Z]

Public support does not mean its legitimate or it is majority support. Any strong force can gather several hundred thousand people just because they have the power. If Iran was a democratic country it will be much much harder to bring that much people for a show.

[@MugsMunny]

@@Valkyri3Z I didn’t mention anything about legitimacy. I said those views are missing from the discussion. But I don’t think a country can progress despite an 8 year war where all the western regime and even the Soviet Union supported Saddam Hussein’s Iraqi regime and over 40 years of hard sanctions can become so strong militarily and in so many scientific fields without popular support or direct support from a leading super power.

[@Valkyri3Z]

@@MugsMunny They have enough platforms in state media and also in international media to vent their opinions. Are you kidding ! No their point is not missing because they are goddamn shoving their point with brute police force. It is crystal clear what their point is.

[@mahmoudanabtawi]

@@Valkyri3Z how come it is not missing when you don’t hear it at all in the western hemisphere, I’m not Iranian neither support support of the Islamic government policies but the guy has a point it seems if you decide to sit and right a democratic constitution the current one will pass.

[@Valkyri3Z]

@@mahmoudanabtawi The same reason you will never hear a Nazzi talking in western media. Having an opinion does not give automatic right to be heard , it has to make sense. Islamic fanaticism makes no sense , killing women for not wearing hijab makes no sense. Its barbarism. And barbarism has no place in civilised media. The people you talk about has enough power to voice their opinion. No need for western media.

[@david.pisanti]

One difference is that the CIA brought down the Shah, and brought in Komeini. Best regards. D. 🙃

[@inceptionone]

No CIA supported SHAH and when . Shah ran , CIA plot coup and killed Iran first president.

[@morenitomoreno1282]

And the CIA brought down Mossadegh *who was elected* unlike the Shah who was installed as a Western puppet

[@based-iranian]

​@@inceptiononemossadegh tried to dissolve parliament 😂 and they call him democratic he was literally chosen by the shah

[@user-sp4kv9tx8v]

talk about GGeneral Dgahanbani too

[@DJDouglasWarden]

why didn't they like to show? where did the show come from? who was in charge before the show? what role did the United States and British petroleum have to do with destabilization of iran? is it oil and capitalism that is the real problem it fucks up countries all across the world because they don't want to cooperate with the west?

[@0vermars520]

Wasn't Shah in the Sopranos?

[@threemobileone1371]

The overthrow of the late Shah of lran in 1979 by UK&USA might be the biggest TABOO subject in the west since WW2 but it is not their best kept secret among us lranians. We lranians will not forget nor forgive.

[@rootin222]

Mossadegh > The Shah

[@Fee581]

No

[@based-iranian]

Fatherless behaviour

[@El-ow7xk]

I really enjoyed the conversations, I liked Nazanin and her responses, but unfourtounatly, Morteza was nor making that much sense, he was contradicting even himself. I guess he doesn't have very good English language skills that is needed for bringing good arguments, so sometimes his words were a bit confusing. Overall, thanks for covering Iran in your platform. #MahsaAmini #مهسا_امینی

[@grawakendream8980]

43 years is consistency

[@kouroshamini9914]

She is just saying this because she is afraid of the present Hezbollah country. First of all the last Persian king was dope.

[@kneelb4zod241]

What's philly Leotardo doing on the thumbnail?

[@jj22688]

Tony Keeps calling me the Shah

[@DevinStout]

😂😂😂

[@Zoro-fl2mn]

PBD did 20 years in the can. He wanted a picture of the shah, he compromised, he went for philly instead

[@j.m.8558]

@@Zoro-fl2mn PBD just told us a couple of three things

[@sidhussain915]

Winston Churchill said that Iran will pay and without the US Shah could not have been ousted

[@gayan2517]

Shah of Iran? Let me say couple of 3 things. 20 years in the can, not a peep. He was 47, Just a kid. I loved him like a brother in law. There's no scraps in my scrapbook. No more butchy. No more of dis.

[@dr.m.e3902]

Thank you for news of protests of women in iran.

[@Afghan31]

American and British companies owned oil and gas fields under the Shah.

[@walid3207]

And now the Afghani hazara’s are slaves of Iran

[@Fee581]

Ahaha in 1973 51 percent of oil was nationalised.

[@Afghan31]

@@Fee581 Why shouldn't all of it be nationalised? National resources belong to the nation.

[@Fee581]

@@Afghan31 the shah went for a slow nationalisation. The fast nationalisation made by mossadegh destroyed iran'economy because iran at that time needed west help to exstract/manage oil, that's why he decided to do it slowly.

[@martinledermann1862]

@@Fee581 But it was also the reason why the Western companies distrusted him, because the longer he was in power, the more independent from the Anglo-Saxon yoke he wanted Iran to become. I wouldn't be surprised if Khomeini was a Western-trained agent who just got out of control, similar to what happened to the Talibans and Bin-Laden, who also originally were financed and trained by the CIA.

[@stardust2045]

Please don't glorify the Shah as the newer generation forget why their grandparents were desperate enough to topple the Shah. Life was better but not by much. Remember same thing happened with Sadam Hussain where Iraqis toppled him in 2004 but now many regret and wanting to bring him back. If you're going back and reinstating monarchy, you would eventually go back to also having all those problems.

[@KristynaStefanova]

I agree completely!

[@shukran3907]

Life was better? 🤣🤣

[@AP-zn8bg]

Iraqis didn't topple saddam in 2003 America did in 2003 And iraq now is a lot better Iam iraqi Also khomeni is a loser

[@russsnyder2026]

He did 20 fuckin years in the can!!!!

[@keeschill6076]

It all shouldn’t have been this way … the bakhtiari people gave the people of Iran the chance to chose a democratic leader and form a secular state…. It started with Sardar Assad and the constitutional revolution early 1900- which after he threw out the Russians and English the noble men of Tehran wanted a Pahlavi …. Fast forward bakhtiaris gave the people Mossadegh which the cia killed…. After that Bakhtiaris gave the people Shapour bakhtiar…. Somewhere the people of Iran need to take a good look at themselves for they have brought this upon themselves

[@keeschill6076]

@Kian - than your parents are donkeys

[@saharnotsarah]

Mossadegh was not killed. He was under house arrest in the last years and died naturally at the age of 84. Why promote lies?

[@Zach________]

The us needs someone like the shah to deal with this christian nationalism

[@aspetm3846]

Hi Patrick, I had a lovely time before Iran 1979 revolution as ethnic minority Armenian, but Muhammad Reza shah did some mistakes which Morteza has said about savak's stupidity who were trained by CIA but shah of Iran gives lots of opportunity to Mullahs which his father the great REZA SHAH put them in cage to created freedom for woman's right. Another thing is why we have to show others who who were we while no other countries try to do such party invited many leaders of states and offer them golden watch while we had lots of un educated or bad educated people which they thought they know many things.

[@meharbhamani7281]

He should flattened all mosques and banned islam

[@allienareesta7853]

What the Shah did in Shiraz, commorating the 2500 kingdom was good. But huge bugs a d mistakes were accompanied. The first was omitting the mere population as used to be in many other occasions. Taking the country to the gates of civilization could be a good idea. But what percentage of 35 millions Iranians knew a word of it? Moreover, the movement toward modernization was started whilst the infrastructurs were not prepared. The oil and many other products used to be exported but there were many sticky hands in betwen.

[@powasjington4262]

Iran hasn’t been doing much since about 1650 AD

[@irani544]

Both were dictators but Shah was actually a good dictator.

[@truthseeker7260]

Iran is now one of leading developing country according to IMF and world bank. just look at the graph of GDP from 1960 to 2022. see the Iranian progress in economics (despite USA harshest sanctions) some think its miracle how IRAN progressed so many country can not stand few months of sanction like Turkey

[@piruz3243]

5:50 This guy worked in a bookstore and has no clue about Samad Behrangi's book that he is talking about. He dismisses the book "The Little Black Fish" as just a children's book. It is an allegorical work. It is as much a children's book as George Orwell's "Animal Farm" is a children's book.

[@childofchief2290]

The Shah was terrible. Don't get it twisted. Just cos things got worse does not mean the Shah was good.

[@Fee581]

He was great instead.

[@childofchief2290]

@@Fee581 go live in that time. My family did. Enough family and people I know first hand have been tortured under his rule. Don't fucking rewrite history with this shit.

[@childofchief2290]

@@Fee581 not only is that untrue but you're also suggesting that people who weren't "like your grandfather" would all have issues. Hmmm that sounds like a great democracy and free state. If you're happy trivialising the plight of our people who have died and suffered in their droves then go for it. But don't rewrite history to do so. The shah and his family should be no where near that nation again.

[@Fee581]

@@childofchief2290 the monarchy wasn't perfect of course but it was great. Only comunists and islamists had a difficult time, otherwise you could live a wonderful life. Anyway cry reza will soon come back 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 in berlin today we were all calling his name

[@childofchief2290]

@@Fee581 "wasn't perfect". Lord have mercy. Go call Reza's name. All those who were the Shah's lackeys didn't have to live in the country they were destroying. Must be nice to oppress and people and claim to care for them. Bunch of hypocrites the lot of you.

[@Hassan38484]

You’ve literally only brought on people who are not religious and pro-west only. How about the perspective of an actual Shia living in Iran?

[@ALI-om2re]

Why would he bring on the majority view lol. His escaping Iran will lose its thunder. This my guy but calling a spade a spade….

[@xerxesxerxes2715]

Long live Iran ❤️❤️❤️

[@user-sp4kv9tx8v]

wait what exactly

[@portegobelet]

You’ll never hear the other side on this subject on this podcast.

[@apocalypticskepticus3299]

The same applies in the opposite direction to virtually all of media in Iran. Meaning, you won't hear anyone dare publicly defend the Shah and attack Khomeini today. So, there is that.

[@Zero-bj2qd]

@@apocalypticskepticus3299 You forgot about all the protests? Look at how they are burning the pictures of Ayatollah Khomeini

[@nostalgia545]

@@Zero-bj2qd That’s recent. Literally a month ago you couldn’t find anyone anywhere not even in Europe or America who would defend the Shah. Some Iranians in America over time realize he was better and will defend him, but I was made fun of in schools by Iranian international students for defending the Shah

[@Zero-bj2qd]

@@nostalgia545 notice how we are talking about present and not the past

[@nostalgia545]

@@Zero-bj2qd My point is that literally a few years ago and up to 2 years ago after flight 752, you wouldn’t dare find anyone criticize the IR, but suddenly it’s everywhere. Previously people would only talk in private

[@JAG770721]

Venezuelans understand what you all are sharing

[@donndelfin1312]

as an Outsider it seems that the People of Iran are the Ones that lost what was good back then. They could have been greater than the Saudis. You would just wonder where are those people now and are they happy at the state of Iran right now.

[@Goon2006]

Difference is Shah of Iran was in Sopranos

[@threemobileone1371]

In 1979 UK&USA overthrew the late Shah of lran when he refused to renew the 25 year old expiring oil contract of 1954 with west & imposed jihadi terrorist mullahs. Fear suffering torture killings exile and much more has never stopped in lran eversince.

[@Fee581]

You are a precious person. Freedom is close.

[@shayedshahriarshushmoyhous8866]

Khameini was exported to eran from pareis and frence.

[@goldbrick2563]

7:54 let this dude speak in his mother tongue and subtitle it in english, thanks. Accent is too thick for passive listening

[@keycard6828]

He asked what made people revolt against the shah =? And she starts speaking about what is wrong with the khomeini regime xD lol.

[@jimdellavecchia4594]

It's Phil Leotardo from The Sopranos!!!

[@KalanYore]

FYI - a additional difference between the Shah and Khomeini is that before the 1979 Revolution was that Iran served as the West's 'Enforcer' in the Middle East that even Israel had praised... Iran was so like the west and those that felt they were losing their 'identity' as Iranian Arabs and of their culture & religion was disappearing - this is part of the reason of the revolt and what we are witnessing today - today's Iran want inclusion of global trade and acceptance to respect their ways and rule of law... sure there are subjects that we can agree that is too strict and draconian etc. I would just give them time to change for the better as future generations can accomplish - there is no need for regime change - there is no need for color revolution - even as the Arab Spring operation had failed in some of the targeted states unlike what happened in others. The US would love nothing better to get back Iran and put it to work of their agendas - that has nothing really to do with democracy and freedom as even given is just enough to appear to be when it is an illusion of those aspects even in the United States - are we truly free and not subject to the powers that be?!

[@antichamcha6544]

I feel bad for the average American who gets to learn about Iran from people like Patrick. He gets the most basic information about Iran wrong, not sure deliberately or what

[@salampakistan3691]

Not really, as a sunni muslim, I am muslim because I love everything about Islam thats why I am muslim. Shias understanding of religion is wrong. You should never give religious power based on bloodlines rather then merit. The Allah (swt) Prophet (saw), the ahlul bayt and sahabah had forsight that if they set a precedent of power being inherited by bloodlines, generations down the line, the leaders will be no Ali RA or Imam Hasan and Hussein.....it would lead to corruption and abuse. So they made sure it was based on merit, which is the sunni position. Now we see consequences of this false understanding....our sunni scholars are humble, thats why I love my hijab today, they made religion a beautiful experience to the point I love the hijab. I wear burka by the way. Forever wearing my burka, love Islam

[@nostalgia545]

We don’t want any Islam. We don’t want any version of it. It’s not Iranian it’s Arab

[@mikemike181]

Haha

[@ALI-om2re]

Who said Shia Islam is not based on merit. Where did you get that from.

[@sidohofman6835]

Islam is Arabic culture. Not Persian culture. Why do you think that the Iranians/Persians still talk Farsi after all these Islamic invasions? Mohammed traveled through Rome, Persia and all these places and saw that these empires had a monotheism religion and wanted that for his people too to fight Barbarism and that is how Islam was born. That’s why it’s in Arabic. Arabs were truly violent and that’s how they spread their religion in the Middle East & Northern Africa. With brutal force. Read the history and see the truth.

[@ALI-om2re]

@@sidohofman6835 The Holy Prophet (s) didn’t conquer any of these places. These were conquered after he passed away. Knowing history and dissecting history are two different things. Islam is a religion of ethics and spiritual practices like other monotheistic religions. Land grabs happened in the name of religion in every religion but not in the life of any major religions Prophets.

[@shayanhosseini8429]

Would love to hear some pro khomenei there too not just iranian that know very little about Iran living their entire lives in USA

[@zainedemon2950]

Funny thing is my second name is Shah lmfao

[@stand.with.Iranians]

The truth is you need to look at the science (data and statistics) in order to open your agugument, because looking at data things become clear to you, and you do not need to pick up Shah or Khomeini to verifying your argument. Having said that, during the 1970s, Iranian per capita was less than USD 500. During the Islamic Republic, the entire social and economic has remained near-to-collapse. Facts also tell you both the Monarch and Islamic republic filled the prisons with everyone who do not agree with them. That is a reality, and those who do not learn from their mistakes, the history will repeat with itself. Please at the statistics and data from international community and research organization for the sake of clarity. Be the voice of people.

[@PD-vh6mo]

Look up NADER SHAH there was no king like him .. they don’t want you to know about Nader shah

[@shadowmaker3505]

Current regime and shah's regime have so much similarity than difference. Please don't defend shah! both are authoritarian, and we know this kind of regime does not last long.

[@ismailsahin3232]

You know that shah that looks like phil leatardo

[@justa_noob]

I thought I might see the other side from khomeni's to hear both side... but Nay!!! This is only one side 😆

[@mitchjames9350]

We can thank Jimmy Carter and his delusional take on Khomeini thinking he was a good man.

[@davidclayton.1511]

No one thought he was good man. He came to surve a purpose "instability in the middle east"

[@Themindisall41]

Jimmy knew exactly what he was doing. Lol

[@ANON-kg3iy]

Did the people not vote FOR the Islamic Republic? Did they not expect Islamic law? When did Sayed Khomeini promise smth he didn't follow up on? Why did you not explain why the Iranians took hostages in the American embassy.

[@ashvoj]

Pat, pls bring competent experts to talk about Iranian history. Where did u find these clueless traitors?

[@rahuldahoob4513]

LOL

[@rahuldahoob4513]

Have you heard of Omid djalili or shappi khorsandi

[@MrAgit62]

Shah fanstics are always like that

[@shahramsareminouri4195]

There you go ago ..another know it all

[@shahramsareminouri4195]

I guess u want bunch of akhonde or hezbollah fighters invited

[@JoseyWales93]

The Shah opposed to Israel, that's why he had to go. When Khomeini's life was at risk and he had to go into exile, France welcomed him in a house near Paris (Neauphle-le-Chateau).

[@glennmillerfan]

The Shah supported Israel up until 1973 and gave Israel all the weapons it has used to kill Shi’a Muslims in Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Yemen, Bahrain, and the UAE as well as Sunni Muslims and Christians in Palestine. I will give the Shah credit for seeing the truth in 1973, as he turned on Israel to a point after the 1973 Arab-Israeli war and started to bring attention to the global Zionist and Freemason conspiracy in 1976.

[@based-iranian]

​@@glennmillerfanthen why did anwar saadat claim shah sent aid to egypt in 1973 in the yom Kippur war

[@wh0tube]

It was a much better form of dictatorship! I hope we’ve learned and won’t get out of this one just to go to a different form of dictatorship.

[@duzgud]

White saviour complex through and through

[@mgendezli]

Long life to king of kings Reza Shah the second

[@yaghuobkanan]

King of Iran Return to Iran

[@5startech1]

Nazanin Noir is one beautiful,intelligent lady.

[@Oranjee1089]

Most Iranians became religious that's how khomeini got into power

[@jfrd-pw4hk]

Trading monarchy for theocracy unintentionally. Damn. Why can't they just give the Iranian people a decent representative democracy? Worked out for Turkey, why do they think it won't work for Iran?

[@thortessem271]

The Shah was a great man.

[@mahmoudanabtawi]

You are not going to talk about over 40 years of sanctions? Or those people who died because of these sanctions are not yours?

[@awb9012]

The majority of Iranians support their leadership. Respect their choice. You are entitled to your opinion but dont be dismissive of the will of the people. The women protesting the hijab are certainly not in the majority. And what they are now seeking is regime change. Thats undemocratic.

[@southa6404]

The women are the most educated people in Iran and they are not protesting Hijab. They are protesting being treated like second class citizens. They are protesting that they are not allowed to have sovereign control of their lives and bodies.

[@awb9012]

@@southa6404 when does a protest become a riot, becomes an insurrection? Public buildings have been destroyed and security personell killed. That's unacceptable in any civilised society unless you reckon iranian society isn't .

[@threemobileone1371]

This young lady is heavily misguided. People were lied to no critize of the Shah was valied. Shah was disliked by west, the lslamists & mullahs not because of anything he did wrong but for everything he did right. Shah was a true patriot who loved lran more than anything in his life. Off course the supper power did not approve of his plan of modernisation and decided to remove him. So UK&USA France & Germany met in Quadelupe decided to remove the Shah and impose mullahs. They called it an lslamic revolution.