What is the Doctrine of Limited Atonement? - Dr. R. C. Sproul

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What is the Doctrine of Limited Atonement? - Dr. R. C. Sproul
John 10: 11 "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. 12 The hired hand is not the shepherd and does not own the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it. 13 The man runs away because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep. 14 "I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me-- 15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father--and I lay down my life for the sheep."
Ephesians 5:25 "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her"
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Dr. R.C. Sproul was founder of Ligonier Ministries, an international Christian discipleship organization located near Orlando, Fla. He was also copastor of Saint Andrew’s Chapel in Sanford, Fla., first president of Reformation Bible College, and executive editor of Tabletalk magazine. His radio program, Renewing Your Mind, is still broadcast daily on hundreds of radio stations around the world and can also be heard online. Dr. Sproul contributed dozens of articles to national evangelical publications, spoke at conferences, churches, and schools around the world, and wrote more than one hundred books, including The Holiness of God, Chosen by God, and Everyone’s a Theologian. He also served as general editor of the Reformation Study Bible. Dr. Sproul went home to be with the Lord in 2017.
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[@ryanclarke8042]

God bless you

[@danielcristancho3524]

I agree with the concept that God made salvation possible for everyone, no matter who you are, and it is up to you to either accept the gospel and follow Christ or reject the gospel and go your way. That's what Paul teaches. That's why the word 'persuasion' is used when speaking of the gospel. You have an entire lifetime, however long that is, to decide. Your probation closes at death and your destiny is sealed. I don't agree with the reformed view. It smacks of God choosing who will be saved and who will be lost long before man falls.

[@Mike12349]

Can a dead person choose God?

[@danielcristancho3524]

@@Mike12349 No.

[@Terrylb285]

So Christs life death and resurrection didn’t achieve anything,but only opened the door for the possibility of salvation if man who is a lying adulterer,thief ,ungodly,At enmity,hostile , carnally minded, dead in trespasses , in complete bondage to his sin nature ,slanderer, idolaters,chooses God out of his own free will , will be saved . I need to think on this and try to digest it .

[@danielcristancho3524]

@@Terrylb285 ''So Christs life death and resurrection didn’t achieve anything'' Where did that come from, Terry? I never said that. ''lying adulterer,thief ,ungodly,At enmity,hostile , carnally minded, dead in trespasses , in complete bondage to his sin nature ,slanderer, idolaters,chooses God out of his own free will , '' You forget, Terry, that every man has been given a measure of faith. We're not all 100% rabid sinners, blind to reason. In fact, a bunch of bad decisions, both small and big, have to be made before we become depraved beyond God's help. So, in answer to the above statement, yes. Even the demoniac, who was possessed by legion and in worse shape than most worldlings, when he confronted Christ and his disciples, was able to cry out in his heart for deliverance and it was granted him.

[@Terrylb285]

@@danielcristancho3524 Roman’s 12:3 Each BELIEVER receives a measure of faith , you included even the unbelievers also into the text . I apologize if I left the impression that you made the statement . I probably should have just kept my big mouth shut.,,,,, Christ took the judgment for the sin of the elect upon himself and thereby paid for there lives with his death . He did not simply make salvation possible, he actually obtained it for those whom he had chosen (Matthew 1:21; John 10:11-16 17:1-19 Acts 20:28 , Roman’s 8:32,Eph 5:25. Im not looking for an argument and know that your position is based on your understanding of scripture.

[@gamleyeyesan7045]

Known unto God are all His works from eternity - Acts 15:18. The LORD is not taken by surprise by the sin of unbelief by those who are not vessels unto salvation. But neither does the LORD desire the death of any sinner but that all might come unto repentance and belief. Perhaps neither the Calvinist or Armenians are right on this one. God’s ways and mind are simply unfathomable.

[@SaltyCalvinist]

Lol right, the guys who dedicated their lives to this are wrong but you, who pull verses out of context must be right... Whether it's 2 Peter 3:9 or 1 Timothy 2:4, it is not saying that God wants everyone to be saved. That is not the context of either chapter

[@jhq9064]

At Salty..., you don't know jack squat!

[@cyranodicorvino8308]

Even Sproul admits here that if The Scripture really means what it says, that Christ died for the sins of the whole world, then Universalism has to be true. He is right! It does. Calvinism/Arminianism are 2 cheeks of the same backside. They both have the same end to the story. A few get saved, the rest damned while the few "rejoice" as they watch. It is a lot brighter than that and the early fathers and church knew it.

[@jhq9064]

Amen

[@stevendrumm4957]

So does that mean that you are a universalist and that you believe that most of the early church fathers were universalists?

[@cyranodicorvino8308]

@@stevendrumm4957 Yes and probably.(Ramelli has done a useful book on this.)

[@stevendrumm4957]

@@cyranodicorvino8308 That sucks! That means that my dad, sister, Donald Trump, and Hillary Clinton will all be with me in heaven for all eternity! I could barely stand to be with any of those people for 5 minutes.

[@cyranodicorvino8308]

@@stevendrumm4957 Saul of Tarsus too who once was a walking torture unit for the early believers. They found it hard to believe that God's grace could touch such a man but it did. His ultimate grace is far more wonderful than either you or I could know or tell.

[@LifeClipsPodcast]

Christ's offer for all men is effective for those who believe. Why do we have to complicate this?

[@jhq9064]

Philippians 2:10-11 and Romans 14:11 NASB. Each in their own order First Corinthians 15:20-28

[@bowinghearts]

Brillant

[@93556108]

Please furnish me the verse or cocept in the bible that Jesus died ONLY for his elect?

[@realestateagentgrace4133]

"I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy. I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion."

[@93556108]

@@realestateagentgrace4133 please, how do you interpret this verse?

[@ryanclarke8164]

Please read John 17

[@93556108]

@@ryanclarke8164 Of course, Jesus prays for all believers too in John17, so it debunked limited atonement.

[@jonathancollins1016]

Universal Atonement - 1 John 2:2

[@youngsterjoey9038]

No :)

[@tjmoneybags]

I John 2:3-5

[@joeltromp2681]

Incorrect. 1 John 2:2 says that the price of every sin is paid by the death of Christ. So there is an atonement for every sin, not every person. Christ died to save the elect (John 17:9)

[@joeltromp2681]

Ehh every sin has been atoned for except the sin of unbelief ofcourse, which is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit

[@dream1way]

I find Limited Atonement the most wicked doctrine of them all regarding the 5 points of Calvinism. John 12:32

[@trav07A]

Your perspective of what Jesus says in John 12:32 contradicts his very own teaching in John 6 when he tells his disciples that none can come to him except the Father give them unto him. So, either Christ is calling all men to him, or the Father is calling men to Christ, which is it? Obviously, all men are not drawn to Christ, this is observationally clear but also substantiated throughout the scriptures, Romans 9 for instance, so you need to re-examine what Jesus means when he says "all" (all kinds; men, women, rich, poor, powerful, low, etc.). Jesus additionally tells his followers and many others in Matthew 13 that he speaks in parables "Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given." Jesus again contradicts your view of John 12:32 plainly. God is not unjust in condemning some to hell and some to life eternal, He would be perfectly just if all men were condemned to hell because of our trespasses, but He instead says in Exodus 33: 19 that He will have mercy on those whom He has mercy. You do not need to 'rescue' God from His own perfect judgement, as many Armenians try to do. The Armenian view steals glory from God and makes man his own saviour. The work of the cross is perfect and final, it needs not the assay of man to complete it

[@dream1way]

@@trav07A No, there is completely no contradiction in what I said and there’s definitely no contradiction in scripture. You seem to be saying that Jesus can not call all men unto him at the same time as the Father calls all men to Christ. It’s both, considering they are both fully God, indeed one (John 10:30). As for Arminian or Calvinist - I’m neither. The warning signs should be clear to you due to the two types of theology taking their names from men. You should “assay” into this just to make sure you’re not getting carried away with doctrines of devils. “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 3:16 Whosoever believeth. *Whosoever*. The free gift of salvation (Ephesians 2:8-9)has been offered to everyone. We have the free will to either accept it or reject it. I will stand on what the word of God says; that all my righteousness are as filthy rags (Isaiah 64:6). I have done nothing to merit salvation. It’s by grace, through faith, in Christ alone.

[@gamleyeyesan7045]

@@dream1way In John 3:16, the word is “shall” and not “should”. These nuanced terms don’t lead to the same application or interpretation. You are making use of a misleading term on a foundational matter of doctrine.

[@z.a.dewitt8664]

​@@dream1wayare you aware that these theologies are named for men because the practice of the Catholic Church was to name heresy after its heresiarch? Calvinism was known as Augustinianism before Calvinism.

[@ABC-1234-]

“Wicked?” If you believe that the doctrine is “wicked” then do not correctly understand the doctrine. You can believe it is incorrect, but there’s plenty of scripture to support the doctrine.

[@Christo-doulou]

John 3:16-18 DESTROYS the Calvinistic HERESY of any limitation on the Death of Jesus Christ! "God so loves the entire human race, that whoever from this human race were to believe in Jesus Christ as their personal Saviour and Lord, will not be eternally damned, but have eternal life"! (my paraphrase) Some will try to argue that the Greek "kosmos" here does not include the entire human race, but only the elect. John Calvin's own comments on verse 16, says that Jesus Christ Died for EVERYONE WITHOUT EXCEPTION! Clearly no limits on the Death of Jesus in Calvin, even though the so called "Calvinists" pervert this teaching as though it comes from Calvin!

[@georgemoncayo8313]

Everything that happens in history has been decreed/Predestined before the world was created see Eph 1:11, Proverbs 16:33 and Amos 3:6. And yes even when terrible things happen, I know it's hard for some people to accept but look what happened when David sinned against God and one of Davids punishments was that God told him that he was going to use Davids own son to shame his Father by Absalom Absalom doing something immoral to his Fathers concubines in front of all of Israel, see 2 Samuel 12:11-12 God said "Thus says the Lord, ‘Behold, I will raise up evil against you from your own household; I will even take your wives before your eyes and give them to your companion, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight. Indeed you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all Israel, and under the sun." Notice how God said "I WILL DO THIS THING."That was fulfilled in 2 Samuel 16:21-22. Jesus did not die for every single person ever and Jesus didn't die to make people savable. He died to save his elect. In John 17:9 Jesus said that he does not pray for the world. The word world is used in different contexts, in that context he's talking about the non elect. In John 3:16 world means that he purchased people from every tribe, tongue and nation Rev 5:9 and for the children of God scattered abroad John 11:52. Some have been "long beforehand marked out for condemnation" Jude 4 and "appointed to doom." 1 Peter 2:8. About Pharaoh God said “For this VERY PURPOSE I raised you up, to demonstrate My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed throughout the whole earth.” So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires." Rom 9:17-18. Jesus said "I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants. Yes, Father, for this way was well-pleasing in Your sight. All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him." Matthew 11:25-27. So, 2 Pet 3:9 the "not willing that any should perish" if you read that letter in context, 2 Pet 1:1 says "To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours." As far as salvation for all men verses, Paul was refuting the false notion of his time that God was only desiring to save just the Jews and 1 Tim 2:2 says to pray "for kings and all who are in authority" because as humans WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE ELECT ARE SO WE PRAY FOR EVERYONE! That's what it means in verse 4 by saying "all men." Amos 3:2 God said "of all the nations of the earth I have only known you." For centuries God passed over the majority of humankind because this verse isn't about knowledge it's about relationship. And it isn't because God foresaw Israel was more righteous then the other nations because sometimes Israel was more sinful then the pagan nations see 2 Kings 21:9. Only those who were predestined to be saved will be see Acts 13:48, Ephesians 1:4-5, Eph 1:11, Romans 9:11-23, John 6:37. 1 Samuel 3:14 God said “Therefore I have sworn to the house of Eli that the iniquity of Eli’s house shall not be atoned for by sacrifice or offering forever.” That's Limited atonement.

[@93556108]

@georgemoncayo8313 FYI "Predestined" in soteriology doesn't apply to UNBELIEVERS always to BELIEVERS. The following verses copied from your example are obviousl ly with incorrect interpretations. Ephesians 1:4-5 is not about God's choice of the elect for salvation; John6:37 this verse didn't say only the elect was given by God; 1Samuel 3:14 nobody denying the sovereignty of God but this verse doesn't imply God's choice only the elect for eternal life which is not taught in scripture. Acts13:48 r: “Notice, it does not say that as many believed were chosen to be ordained to eternal life. The prophesied mystery of the Gentiles; "(Eph 3:5) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; (Eph 3:6) That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:" This is corporate election of the Gentiles and NOT unconditional election unto salvation. Calvinism is an unbiblical teaching. Thank you.

[@jhq9064]

Indeed, Acts 3:20-21 & Romans 11:32-36.