What is the Nebra Sky Disk of Germany? And why it's cool.

[@BenLlywelyn]

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[@robertescu6435]

Never underestimate the power of knowing time, this culture managed to source materials from all of it's surroundings.

[@BenLlywelyn]

It would of put them leagues ahead in time.

[@mawkernewek]

2:55 I remember a line from the Cambridge University Freshers' Guide saying it can be cold in winter because there are no mountains between here and Siberia, which if you allow a bit of bending of the line, it is true if you go east, skipping to the north of the highlands in central Germany and then to the south of the Ural Mountains.

[@BenLlywelyn]

That easterly wind in Cambridge was cold even though drier than Wales.

[@Kitteh.B]

I'm just learning about this sky disk, I find it fascinating but one thing trips me up. Everyone pronounces it differently. When I first read about it, the way you pronounce it at the start (haven't finished the video yet) is how I imagined it, but as I started watching videos, I'm hearing it spoken more like Zebra (an ee sound like seen or bean.) How can I find the correct pronunciation? D:

[@BenLlywelyn]

Zehbrah in British English.

[@TreforTreforgan]

Good point you’re making about treasure hunters. When the Mold Gold Cape was discovered it started off in earnest a destructive trend for treasure hunting that led to many of our cists being destroyed; our precious heritage. A cist burial mound in Maen Clochog in the Preseli hills had a stone slab in its portal which was smashed to bits to gain entry to the treasure that may or may not have been inside. This slab was said to have had sonic resonance when tapped and it had been visited by locals for various reasons to do with folk beliefs etc since time immemorial.Some of these cists have been known to have contained treasures which have been accounted for. Others probably did also but the artefacts within were either sold on the black market illegally and ended up in private collections. Some probably were sold for the scrap value, as was very nearly the case with the Mold Gold Cape itself. Unbelievable really.

[@BenLlywelyn]

The craftsmanship of even simple things im former times eludes the dull minds of those in our time that would melt down the past to sell it for quick gain.

[@davidvaughn367]

That is technology (which I think is a greatly misunderstood and abused word in our time) at its finest. No moving parts, no external power source but direct interface with a trained human intellect. Brilliant Thank you for this. I had not heard of this object before. Yet one more proof that ancient people were not all mindless barbarians.

[@BenLlywelyn]

You are welcome.

[@g.dalfleblanc63]

The prehistoric Solar Cross is one of the oldest known symbols, found in numerous cultures and traditions across the globe, also called the Wheel Cross, Sun Cross, Pagan Cross, and Odin's Cross, it is often used to represent the Sun and to mark time. The X in the Sky Disk does the same, but is much earlier. The X precedes the Cross, the X is the oldest symbol we have found, being 73,000 years old and discovered in Blombos Cave. The X and the Cross both also represent the Sun-divinity. The Chi-Rho was the symbol of the Varangian Guard of Byzantium, it is a combination of two symbols and it means Jesus-Christ, as in there are other Christs, other Sun-divinities.

[@BenLlywelyn]

The sun linked many early cultures in mythology.

[@g.dalfleblanc63]

@@BenLlywelyn The oldest symbol we know of made by man is from 70,000+ years ago is the X, the same X which is the working Nebra Sky disk. How advanced were the homo-sapiens of Blombos cave mentally? Reminds me of the Naszca line drawings. Done by the power of human imagination. Did the Blombos humans have a similar mental understanding of astronomy, pre language?

[@BenLlywelyn]

We are not sure how old language is.

[@g.dalfleblanc63]

@@BenLlywelyn The Blombos cave X symbols are the oldest homo sapien made symbols we know of. It doesn't matter if they consciously knew what they were doing when they made them. Language has a genetic component which we see in other animals too. The Blombos symbols are the first use of written language. The language used is mathematics, the X symbols also join up to make triangles. Homo Sapien made palaeolithic artefacts have Xs, circles, be shaped like diamonds. These are often connected to the spiritual/religious.

[@mihaiilie8808]

These Unetice coulture were getae dacian, mostly I2 haplogroup. This haplogroup is the only european native haplogroup and means romanian and albanian ( thracian celt). These people spoke vulgar latin, romanian language that is and they are the megalith builders of ancient europe.

[@TracyD2]

I found it funny when the two treasure hunters appealed their sentences the judge gave them more time. Lol Made an example of them. Not much more time though.

[@waynesworldofsci-tech]

What a wonderful find. Too bad archaeologists didn’t get there first. Looters suck.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Indeed. At least it was recovered and brought to public keeping and service.

[@waynesworldofsci-tech]

@@BenLlywelyn Yeah, but the data we lost… I’m a student anthropologist (at 67). We can’t understand our present if we don’t understand our past and answer that most important question ‘Why’.

[@shaunathornton8032]

I wish we would recreate some of these things.

[@BenLlywelyn]

They do inspire artists today, so that is something.

[@BenLlywelyn]

They are priceless!

[@everychordever4339]

The boat is the path of Vega on the winter solstice.

[@BenLlywelyn]

Flipping it around I see.

[@everychordever4339]

@@BenLlywelyn I think it rolls.

[@bysuave]

I am very curious what’s your take on the Varna civilisation, the golden treasure (allegedly oldest processed gold discovered) found at the Varna Necropolis and some scientists claims that the proportions of some of the objects have to do with astrology just like that disk does. Thank you for the awesome content!

[@BenLlywelyn]

Thank you. Varna is so old and far back in time is makes my head hurt to even gauge how much change has passed or what for them was in the past.

[@mihaiilie8808]

This disk and varna chief are from the same civilisation of thracians ( getae dacians). You just have to look at the spiral bracelets presented here. They are dacian. The axe looks like that of the varna chief but the bracelets are more striking. Before Caesar ( 100 BC) there were no germanics, just celts. Oldest celts come from Thrace.

[@ds-on4sm]

"Nebe" means sky in Bulgarian. The Thracian language is Bulgarian beyond doubt. Nothing Celtic among the Varna people, only Bulgarian( Thracian). But some thought to be celtic, like the Belgae were not Celtic, they were Bulgarians. So some celts have our dna. The Varna people are our Bulgarian ancestors. They were the Aryans. The Bulgarian language is proto Sanskrit.

[@mihaiilie8808]

@@ds-on4sm Bulgarian language isnt like thracian now a days. Romanian, more rural has the language like thracians. Bulgarian isnt proto Sanscrit because the getae from Romania got into India and Persia, not the tracians from Bulgaria. Romanian language is the ancestor of Sanascrit and even your bulgarian historians say it. But is best to ask the indians and the chinese, where they think sanscrit comes from. From massagetae.

[@ds-on4sm]

@@mihaiilie8808 "It was indeed occupied in early classical times by Thracian tribes, barbarians who did not speak the Greek language. No doubt they did indeed speak a Thracian language akin to that in what is now Bulgaria, whose origins were suggested earlier." Renfrew, Colin. Archaeology and Language: The Puzzle of Indo-European Origins, Penguin books 1990, p. 176

[@mihaiilie8808]

2:11 those spirals are dacian bracelets.

[@soniasaldarriaga5166]

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[@BenLlywelyn]

Thank you - Diolch.

[@fredericosampaio6457]

Damcaniaeth arbennig a gwideo gwych iawn, Ben!!! Diolch yn fawr am ddysgu y gair ' gwideo', hefyd 👏👏👏

[@BenLlywelyn]

Diolch yn fawr am ddod yn ôl. Hapus fod ti wedi mwynhau.

[@kpace8605]

A fascinating artifact.As it was found on the old East/West German border it's surprising that it wasn't found earlier.I also wonder why it was buried if it was important to the culture.Maybe there are other things similar still in the ground.

[@wookie2222]

@@kpace8605 It's quite a bit away from the former border. The name of the place - Ziegelrodaer Forst - could hint why it wasn't found. A 'Forst' is a forrest and place names ending with -roda, -rode or -rod usually indicate a clearing in a forrest. The village was founded in 1140 by a nearby monastery and was first named 'Mathilderode' after the wife - Mathilde - of a local nobleman. So, even back then, this must have been a forrest and that village was probably founded to clear that forrest over time, create farmland and produce some firewood for the monastery. And still today, we are talking about the forrest that's nearby the village that had been named after a forrest. What I want to get at is: There is a lot of forrest in central europe and a lot of it hasn't been searched for such cultural relics. Especially in the central and southern parts of Germany, since there are loads and loads of hills that would make great fortifications, observatories or viewpoints right next to little rivers that would provide water to a significant ammount of people living there. In most cases, those hills just became part of the sourrounding forrests over time. In other cases, they kept beeing settled by humans or where resettled after a while. Now, try to get a permit to demolish an medieval cathedral or a part of medieval city walls because you want to search in their fundaments for stuff that's even older.

[@Hovercraftltd]

Makes you realise the chance of discovery.... and the punishment means as per 'Spainish' sunken treasure non has been discovered since the last vast declared cache was confiscated......wonder why!

[@OutsidersRo]

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[@piotrm9260]

Why they allways call eveything German ? It is 1900 BC. There were proto british and proto slavic people there together genetically similar , later Celts.What if I say there is Bronocice Vase ( of Poland ) , representation of the first four wheel cart made in Poland. 1200 BC.

[@BenLlywelyn]

It is part of their inheritance as caretakers of the German land's past, to pass on and keep for future generations. Through this caretakership, and honouring it, this becomes German heritage after so many centuries have passed.

[@piotrm9260]

@@BenLlywelyn Current politucal status should not be transferred 4K years back in time automatically. If you 've found something in your soil is not Yours today directly. It belongs to the people of the past who's successors live in many conutries now. I know Britons, Poles, Germans and other.

[@fics-il3qn]

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[@BenLlywelyn]

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[@mihaiilie8808]

Its not the oldest known depiction but depiction on an object. Magura cave callendar from Bulgaria is much older and much more detailed. Also, did you see what was the DNA of Unetice coulture? Romanian and albanese ancient european I2 haplogroup mixed with early R1b indoeuropeans. Celts, like dacians and basically thracians. The spiral bracelets are like the dacian bracelets but not as impressive.

[@BenLlywelyn]

We don't know what language they spoke.

[@mihaiilie8808]

@@BenLlywelyn They spoke vulgar latin for sure just that they didnt had writing, or they wrote on wood. Its 100% thracian celts coulture, DNA, customs, art, and everything.

[@mihaiilie8808]

@@BenLlywelyn If you want to track the these metalsmisths celts, the best place for them is in Romania in the metaliferous mountains. The place that has the most gold and silver in Europe. So if you look at the dacian bracelets, they weigh between 700 grams and a kilo and a half, each. The mines from there the romans wanted, just the gold not to civilise dacians. These heavy gold items coultures originate from here, where they discovered the gold first and also the silver. In the end you will get it that romanian language is the oldest such like latin language and it is older than the basques language and even older than sanscrit.

[@LuDux]

sAulė. Luckily it means nothing then pronounced your way. Pope 0, Ben 1