What is the Origin of Thoughts? (Meditation 3 of 24)

[@ikwartin]

This is very simple to understand. For example, if we look at the human body we see it has one body but if there is pain on the left hand, it cannot be felt on the right hand. From this analogy we can see that Consciousness ( body) is one with many minds (hands). What is perceive in my mind cannot be perceived in your mind.

[@mindfulkayaker7737]

For me, the brain is like a Sense organ that is used by consciousness to perceive thoughts in the same way that eyes are used to perceive physical objects.

[@hemamalinirs1002]

Thank you Francis ❤

[@alacer6150]

This session remined me of two sayings: (1) "The map is not the territory"-Alfred Korzybski ; (2) "I'm on the outside looking in"-Timothy Leary .

[@rviswanathan]

...(2) Moody Blues☺️

[@hemamalini-sy8mj]

Thank you so much Francis , i totally resonate with what you said

[@stellau3028]

I love Francis, his intelligent yet entertaining expression of such fascinating subject. Best use of utube 😅

[@lindaj71]

To whoever questioned my use of dialectical (post-structural leanings) re: cause and effect. Words, names, methodologies, etc. evolve. I think it started with Socrates and polemic discourse. My knowledge of the term from a historical materialist viewpoint (I am a non-dualist) means that economic infrastructure affects/creates cultural infrastructure and vice-versa (Karl Marx). It is easy to transform the concept to an ideological one through a nondualist approach to what is reality? The nature of our true Being as Oneness without dimensions/divisions means that all is consciousness (not the phenomenal mind): as the ultimate dialectical exchange of all energies. Of Oneness. OMG I just heard Francis say that our real body is the universe. So much better than ubiquitous materialism.

[@iamBANGMARTIN]

Thanks for sharing Francis!

[@freddystaelens]

Since I hardly think about the past, and less about the future, my thoughts are purely verbal . Thoughts in the sense of not relating to the actual situation outside my skin. The Ananda sprouting ones are given the priority, the other ones are diverted to the realm : Welcome, but not interested, section.

[@MrMiguelapb35]

Great, awesome

[@prior2yourstory]

I am prior to consciousness.

[@katiekidman9933]

Thank you for your awareness and wisdom. Your funny...😊👣🎋

[@donnsmith6482]

Francis: I have a hard time with the extravagance---the luxury lifestyle of so many of these new non-dual teachers-preachers even while appreciating what they are sharing and how much it seems--seems to be helping these people. I often catch myself thinking that these talks are a mix of "spiritual entertainment" and philosophical masturbation done for profit. Gotta afford that house! My idea of someone who has truly awakened is one of compassion and simplicity with conscious use of the gifts of the natural environment. A lifestyle would then reflect a practice of causing the least amount of harm to others and to the environment. So now i ask Francis and the other teachers: Can everyone--can billions of people--have what you are having? Waste what you are wasting? And set an example of "abundance" (that popular law of attraction "hook") that helps folks justify asking for more plastic crap and more animal abuse and environmental degradation w/o guilt! Voting with the dollar! Give me more! How many of you are vegan? Vegetarian at least? And if you eat meat justify that for me. It is not what you say but what example you set by the way you live. Francis this house of yours is abuse! Please don't say it is all ok because it is not the real reality! Who truly knows what that is. My experience and conclusions are just as valid as yours and yours sometimes seem to be in defense of how you live as a non-entity in this illusionary dream of your own making! I don't buy it for a minute. Any "thoughts" for this temporal entity.

[@nomorecaterpillar]

donn smith Francis’ house is built as a retreat centre. His private quarters are a very modest sized corner of it. And he is vegetarian. May all beings discover the happiness which resides “within”.

[@prior2yourstory]

You are confused about what it means to be enlightened. How an enlightened person lives, eats, gets around, etc. Very confused.

[@preethikrao]

Don Smith perhaps you need to first look within yourself before passing such judgements especially about someone like Francis. Like Hans Wilhelm says ' if you spot it you got it'! Swami Vivekananda even more aptly said ' we see in others the same image we carry in our hearts'...

[@gives_bad_advice]

@@preethikrao - if the idea is that the rot we see in others must also exist in ourselves, then it's not hard to think of examples that show that idea to be. . . with significant caveats?

[@preethikrao]

@@gives_bad_advice Perhaps , my friend, as you insinuate, the validity of my assessment of your statement is open to question. I'm also aware that my fondness for Francis Lucille may make me as judgemental as I assumed you to be :) However, I'm sure Francis is above caring about our praise or criticism. It was just another thought put out more to help clear confusions that we all have along our paths, and to gently say like Baba Ramdev that in the end "we are all just walking each other Home"...

[@SECHMOU]

Wow.

[@tamy815]

Why we see the specific shapes and colors? What is the internal, root reason for the specific shapes. Why for example there are 5 senses, 2 genders, what is the reason for the specific shapes of trees, or animals, or DNA, etc.?

[@prior2yourstory]

There is no answer to why. It appears that way. Gold rings, coins, and bracelets just appear that way. All are only gold. All is a play of Maya or Consciousness.

[@Daniazco]

Thought is vibration, maybe. I mean, maybe when you are on a vibration some thoughts come to you and their are good because you are vibrating hights and "they" (people who thought, or soul maybe) know what is going on. When you are low, bad thoughts. When you are high, high thoughts.

[@jonathanromero7658]

Daniel Díaz Carrasco all thoughts are bad. The point is no thoughts reveal truth. Even if a thought is comforting it is bad because it clouds reality .

[@prior2yourstory]

@@jonathanromero7658 No thought is high. No thought is low. No thought is good. No thought is bad. All thoughts are of the same substance. Consciousness.

[@prior2yourstory]

It is like saying waves, bad; calm seas, good. Both are water. Work on seeing all as consciousness, then worry about good and bad.

[@RT-fr9tn]

as consciousness, I am aware of this body's feelings, sensations however not of other body's . if conciousness is the common ground... what's the reasoning for that?

[@juandinkerz4636]

Who’s asking?

[@RT-fr9tn]

@@juandinkerz4636 LOL

[@justbreakingballs]

It might be feeding into one database. I always think of a security guy sat in a room in front of him 20 different viewpoints. Each camera only gets to see what it's pointed at, it won't pick up light deviations from another camera. But aware of every cameras screen is the big man in the chair.

[@RT-fr9tn]

@@justbreakingballs so the big security guy is conciousness and 1 of the viewpoint is "I"?

[@prior2yourstory]

All is an appearance. You, bodies, and feelings are also appearances. Look at the characters in your dream. All the same substance, correct? Does your dream character know the thoughts of all the other dream characters in your dream? No, but they are certainly of the same substance, correct?

[@zatoichiable]

Why mostly older people?

[@Janu_Curado]

+Zatoichiable Because for people to question the belief in a seperate self it often takes a lifetime. For the majority of people even that is not enough.

[@zatoichiable]

***** Its all worth it even we die tomorrow, otherwise our whole life have been tragic without discovering our true self.

[@jonathanromero7658]

It’s because they are the ones that have all the money and can afford to go these retreats. Have you looked at how much on of these weekend retreats cost thousands of dollars. Love Francis and I get the idea that he has to survive to and the space they hold it costs money etc. but most young people into advaita simply don’t have enough money to either put the whole 20$ they have in their account into the gas tank or buy a ten sack of weed and a burrito from 7-11 and $5 in gas let alone attend a retr at that cost more than a months wages at the guitar shop.

[@michaelmcclure3383]

@@jonathanromero7658 no wonder Francis is against people buying a fancy grave. Need the money for these retreats Haha

[@prior2yourstory]

@@jonathanromero7658 Self-realization is a cure for suffering. Most young people are looking to stop their suffering by attaining things in the material world. Many more older people have simply had the life experience to know that nothing in the material world will put an end to their suffering or provide true happiness. They have tried it all and are ready to give it all up. It really has nothing to do with age, but where one is looking. Go within and inquire. It is the most direct way and costs nothing.

[@bobaldo2339]

There is no "consciousness" apart from experience. So, the question arises: does it make any real sense to differentiate the two? I don't think so. "Consciousness" is something we assume as a basis for direct experience, but apart from the experiences themselves, where is this "consciousness"?. It is just a very convenient concept - particularly for gurus. But it is still just a concept, and therefore at least one step removed from reality. Maybe we don't need it.

[@tbayley6]

Bob Aldo I'm not so sure. There is something about it that is not conceptual. When my 'experiencing' subsides, a different mode of consciousness is revealed that is not caught up in what it observes. You could say there is still something 'going on' I.e.a subtle experience, but even then it feels like there is something primordial, a kind of potential behind it. Whether or not that's true, I think people need to explore it, because the reassurance gained settles so many psychic difficulties. And therefore the pointing of gurus using terms like 'pure consciousness' seem to me perfectly acceptable.

[@bobaldo2339]

Tom As long as we remain aware that the symbol is not that for which it stands, the pointing finger is not the moon, etc., I think it is fine to use whatever words we find helpful in our spiritual practice. (Whatever works works.)

[@klemenlogar]

Between two thoughts where is consciousness?

[@prior2yourstory]

Follow your intuition, Bob. Consciousness is an appearance. What is prior to consciousness? What is prior to the I AM? That is who you really are.

[@prior2yourstory]

It is called Brahman or Turiya.

[@HY34HU]

What is missing is a missle system....ROTFLMAO 16:17