What is the Right Translation of Isaiah 9:5(6)? Dr. Brown Responds to Rabbi Singer

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[@AngelGonzalez-ng9ve]

I love like he is one of the only few who always debunks and responds back to Rabbi Singer. 🕵🏻😜 Good job Dr. Brown. Good work. God bless you.. 👍🏻🙏🏻

[@jesusaddict7698]

Tovia fears truth. That's why he hates Jesus Christ!

[@AngelGonzalez-ng9ve]

@@jesusaddict7698 yes indeed Sr. Addict..... 👌🏻

[@BiblicalApologetics]

I have an entire channel devoted to debunking Tovia. Its the whole reason I started this channel "Biblical Apologetics." Check it out!

[@AngelGonzalez-ng9ve]

@@BiblicalApologetics Oh...nice.... Ima check it out... Thank you... 🙏🏻👍🏻

[@yoelestebansulistiono5664]

tank u :3

[@BB-ly3dh]

YES!!! Thank you Dr. Brown, I was literally just watching Tovia and hoping youd b coming out with 1 of these. These responses of yours are sooo important.

[@samueljali9446]

Tovia Singer is real antichrist

[@beowulf.reborn]

"The Mighty God is planning Grace; The Eternal Father a Peaceful Ruler." Very interesting translation, but I love how even in this unique rendering, it screams Gospel.

[@davidcoleman5860]

Yes, Jesus is the Eternal Father.

[@MarkusGhambari]

These series will be much appreciated. ❤

[@cmiguel268]

Very informative and clarifying. Thank you.

[@johnnybrave7443]

Thanks a lot for all the good you do 😊

[@disciple43]

Thank you so much for this ministry! I can’t even express how helpful your videos are. I just ordered your book on the Messianic prophecies and can’t wait to learn more. My father is Jewish, and has so many objections to my faith in Jesus. I didn’t meet him until I was in my twenties. I feel so unprepared to answer him since I was raised in the Christian church and have never faced the objections that only someone raised in the Hebrew tradition would have. You sir, are a God send!

[@sanjivdungdung]

Thank you Dr Michael Brown for such helpful information

[@manne8575]

Thank you Michael Brown for doing those videos!

[@juangvelezg]

What an edifying video. Thanks Dr.

[@tysoncoughlin6429]

Incredible! Thank you!!

[@philipschaffer9414]

Thank You Dr. Brown

[@DavidtheNorseman]

Thank you!

[@janddbackup]

"But that He had, beyond all others, in Himself that pre-eminent birth which is from the Most High Father, and also experienced that pre-eminent generation which is from the Virgin, Isaiah 7:14 the divine Scriptures do in both respects testify of Him: also, that He was a man without comeliness, and liable to suffering; Isaiah 53:2 that He sat upon the foal of an ass; Zechariah 9:9 that He received for drink, vinegar and gall; that He was despised among the people, and humbled Himself even to death and that He is the holy Lord, the Wonderful, the Counsellor, the Beautiful in appearance, and the Mighty God, Isaiah 9:6 coming on the clouds as the Judge of all men; Daniel 7:13 - all these things did the Scriptures prophesy of Him." (Irenaeus, Against Heresies 2, chapter 19)

[@manne8575]

Amen

[@dawvidben-huir8101]

Blessings to all my brothers and sisters that are, and are still to come, as we count the days to Shavuot 5781. 🕎🌏🌍🌎✝️

[@scottmccln]

About this tense thing. i love the way Psalm 22 speaks of the glory that would incur from Christ's sufferings, saying 'They shall declare His Righteousness to a people yet unborn, for HE HAS DONE IT.' which the foreknowledge of God ordained in wisdom before creation had barely begun about 'the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world' spoken of in The Revelation. When God plans to do something, it is as good as done. You can count on it. Delightful. Beautiful. Wise. Glory to God.

[@glennshrom5801]

And Isaiah 9:7 - The Zeal of Hashem will accomplish this! It will get done! No doubt about it!

[@denniscanales4780]

You are a great help brothers Dr. Brown, brother Tovia dispises the apostle Paul and the same spirit that dwelled in brother apostle Paul also dwells in you.

[@barneyroberts668]

I agree all these titles refer to God because Yahshua is Jehovah the image of the invisible God

[@philipschaffer9414]

God bless you Lansman

[@Gorillarevolta]

the "Son given.. " (of Isaiah 9:6) is in John 3:16 (one of the most well known verses of the Bible!)

[@glennshrom5801]

Finally putting to rest some of the attempts to bias folks against the text being Messianic! Thank you, brother! The passages about the servant in the latter section of Isaiah deserve a similar stand-alone 20-minute exposition to show why the servant is used as a Messianic prophecy. It has come up in pieces from time to time by Dr. Brown, but something of this quality could be helpful. Keep up the good work!

[@Scrupulouslyhonest]

Thank you for standing up for the viable Faith.

[@nashashbel6922]

Its crazy how they have translated " Vayikra " where they put the emphasis , not on the child rather on God , like " God who is mighty God , eternal Father , ... Call Hezekiah " Prince of Peace " , completely misleading and the past tense theory where both future and past tense are possible , Ridiculous!

[@patrickmanda7777]

When you think about it... U feel like they really know the truth but will oppose it anyway... Very Satanic

[@nashashbel6922]

@@patrickmanda7777 Careful with those guys! Lol A child is born and there is this " Vayikra " , of course the emphasis is on the child .

[@1988TheHitman]

Video’s like this are GOLD! Man i wish i knew Hebrew 😩 thank the Lord for Dr Brown 🙏🏼 and most of all for His Son Jesus our messiah.

[@Kendojin]

There's a free college course online. Search Dr Bill Barrick Hebrew, and it's an introduction to Hebrew. Lesson 1 goes into the material. But Lesson 2 he includes a break into what it means to learn a new language, and encourages his students that it can be done I'm going through it now, and I can almost read along as quickly as Dr Brown! I still have no idea what words mean... But being able to read it, I'm floored! God bless you!

[@Akhil_Chilukapati]

I had this Doubt since years , Thank you Micheal Brown 🙏.

[@evenruderanger7617]

I think the gain might be a bit high on Dr. Brown's mic. When he makes an "s" sound or an "sh" sound or "j" or "ch" sounds, it is a bit harsh. I know it is partly Dr brown's natural voice and I love his accent! I think the machinery is amplifying his consonant sounds though.

[@mbgrafix]

Perhaps they just need a de-Esser.

[@reasonforge9997]

Is there past/future tense in Hevrew verbs? Thought the most similar thing was completed vs not completed tenses or the like. Not clear on this would appreciate clarification.

[@voymasa7980]

Do you know where to obtain a copy of that 1917 first edition JPS Tanakh? I have a 2nd edition

[@user-vm6qx2mx5z]

תודה דר מיכאל😊

[@fanste9804]

אתה יהודי ואתה מאמין בישוע?

[@user-vm6qx2mx5z]

@@fanste9804 כן

[@pepeeltoro4652]

I looked at the Dead Sea scroll and the copyist has the same translation as our modern bibles so idk what Singer is talking about unless he’s going against the manuscript evidence

[@fyrerayne8882]

given all this evidence you'd think these guys would stop hating Jesus so much and start recognizing Him as legitimate

[@ChristianGirlwhoLovesJesus]

They will when he returns *ZECHARIAH **12:10*

[@samsont7786]

15:18 Dr.Brown is telling the truth! The Messiah is the one who has an eternal throne, not hezekiah, references:- Psalms 45:6 2 Sam 7:13 1 Chron 17:12 Ezekiel 37:25 Dan 7:14. So Isaiah 9:7 proves the child born is the messiah. because it says he has an eternal throne

[@robbinsnest6163]

Is KZbin in the habit of un-subscribing people? I was trying to find Dr Brown's channel in my subscriptions and it showed I was not subscribed 😳 I simply subed again, but it's frustrating this would happen.

[@rafuentesapologetics]

Praise be to Jesus Christ the Messiah 🙏

[@Andrewcch74]

Wow...😮

[@Rvillaluz123]

Very well done and thorough rebuttal. I thank the Lord for this wonderful ministry. Yeshua is Lord!

[@absofjelly]

From the get go you get it wrong. Singer is saying that if it was translated as we have it currently, it would have been seen as messianic and so trotted out as a proof text by the early church fathers.

[@RichardSorel-yl8zl]

I'd like to see you confront the more problematic challenges put forth by Rabbi Michael Skobac from Jews for Judaism.

[@purelybiblical6154]

Dr. Brown my question is, what does everlasting father mean in that verse? is Jesus can be called Father Jesus because of this verse?

[@openmindedchristian]

No. Jesus and Holy Spirit is our Father in heaven in one sense. But, they are not GOD THE FATHER.

[@colmwhateveryoulike3240]

I notice in my Tree of Life translation, which I know you worked on yourself (thank you very much), it is Isaiah 9:5. Why exactly do some bibles have a difference of a verse compared to others?

[@SaintOtter]

@Christos Kyrios And rightly so because try to quote the header... It's difficult if it hasn't a number...

[@colmwhateveryoulike3240]

@Christos Kyrios Thanks yes that makes sense. Kind of annoying they didn't follow suit with all bibles really.

[@bobo577]

Be aware that Rashi does present a challenge to us Christians in his commentary on Isaiah 9:6. I have had his commentary quoted to me in the past to try to debunk Isaiah 9:5-6 being about Jesus.

[@littleandre4957]

But why doesn't any of them directly quote it as a proof text as they do other verses here and there to prove he's the Messiah?

[@diegomora7608]

Tobias Singer must be hidden, after this video.

[@Mellownius]

He’s shameless

[@diegomora7608]

@@Mellownius sadly.

[@jesusaddict7698]

Tovia is scared to debate Dr. Michael Brown again. He runs.

[@jacobs624]

You do not hide when you understand the Torah in its language. R. Toviah is giving the opportunity to everyone to understand the true context, the true translation. You don’t have to accept it.

[@ChristianGirlwhoLovesJesus]

​@@jacobs624Tovia is evil and a liar. He twists scripture like Satan does.

[@Jack-vy2vx]

Isaiah 9:6 ‎כִּי־יֶ֣לֶד יֻלַּד־לָ֗נוּ בֵּ֚ן נִתַּן־לָ֔נוּ וַתְּהִ֥י הַמִּשְׂרָ֖ה עַל־שִׁכְמ֑וֹ וַיִּקְרָ֨א שְׁמ֜וֹ פֶּ֠לֶא יוֹעֵץ֙ אֵ֣ל גִּבּ֔וֹר אֲבִיעַ֖ד שַׂר־שָׁלֽוֹם׃ For a child had been born to us, a son had been given to us, and the dominion is upon his shoulder; and he called his name (who called the child’s name?); the Wonderous Advisor, Mighty God, Eternal Father (God called his name), (and what did he call him?) Prince of peace (who is it being called? Hezekiah). This is the correct translation taking into consideration the context, tense, coherence, and cantillation. Context: The כי, which is “because” in Hebrew, at the beginning of the verse indicates that the child’s birth is related and connected to the preceding verses or verse, and is providing a reason for the aforementioned content. What was previously discussed ? Victory over the enemy. Which enemy ? Sennacherib and his failure to conquer Jerusalem. His presence is clearly alluded to in chapter 8. The only candidate to be present and connected to Sennacherib’s failure, and worthy of being characterized with distinction is none other than King Hezekiah. His presence, and only his presence, makes logical sense with Sennacherib. Why was there victory? “For a child has been born and destined to protect us. A “prince of peace”, for Sennacherib lost without a fight ! A miraculous victory that brought peace. (This objection completely eliminates the introduction of Jesus into the context. This is true no matter how you interpret these appellations. For even if all the appellations of the verse refer to one entity, they would still be designations reserved only for whom is relevant contextually, namely, King Hezekiah) Context 2: Furthermore, “…and the dominion is upon his shoulder…” (Isaiah 9:6) Hezekiah was an actual King, with an actual kingdom, he had genuine authority and great responsibilities (Historical Jesus had no authority other than over his small following, no actual dominion) Context 3: Also, “…Prince of Peace.” (Isaiah 9:6) Jesus certainly did not not have any peace in his days, at any time, only war and conflict ! Tense: Furthermore, The “past perfect tense” regarding the child’s birth indicates that the prophecy cannot be something far into the future. Rather, it must be referring to a birth relevant to the times at which it is being uttered, namely the birth of Hezekiah. Textual Coherence: The next point is very important, according to the Christian interpretation, the verse says “and he will call his name”, then, the verse goes on to call his name, all appellations that follow included, however, the verse is utterly lacking, for who is calling his name? The verse is fundamentally lacking. Rather, it must be correctly interpreted as we’ve elucidated, being that the verse lacks who is doing the “name calling” (according to the Christian understanding), the verse should actually be read, “God, who is the deep advisor, powerful mighty one, everlasting father, called him. What did he call him, that child ? A “prince of peace” For his victory over Sennacherib brought peace, as explained above. (Now, although some verses speak poetically at times, and a lack, although rare, can occur, when one has a viable solution to avoid it, it’s unambiguously more reasonable and preferable to assume the more coherent interpretation. Moreover, when combined with the other objections, the coherent interpretation is rendered, inevitably, as the accurate exegesis) Cantillation: Furthermore, the cantillation very clearly indicates that the term “prince of peace”, stands alone, for the words are preceded by the musical note called “tarcha” which indicates a separation, a different application and distinction. (Those meticulous of Hebrew grammar understand the importance of these subtleties) Conclusion: Inserting Jesus into the text is most definitely an attempt of eisegesis, a distortion.

[@janetnyamongo]

Thanks for the raw text. It's clear from the text no need for your translations.

[@johnnybrave7443]

Wrong, you're following the translation based on the punctuations added by the masoretic scribes, which goes against the syntax and the context of the biblical Hebrew , following the right syntax and the context will lead to the fact that all the names belong to the child That's how things were in the previous scriptures where a child is named too in the book of Isaiah Your scribes forced punctuations to make the verse look like something it's actually not 😊

[@johnnybrave7443]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/lYvNgZSIq52GkNksi=lZedOgMlYHpDipJB Besides the prophetic perfect tense is used for a wide variety of prophecies that speak as though it's past tense but it's actually going to happen in the future And there's no way Hezekiah was known as Mighty God And the icing on the cake, he didn't establish his throne and rule forever Isaiah 9:7 Of the greatness of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David’s throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. 😊

[@Jack-vy2vx]

@@johnnybrave7443 Ok, first of all the “punctuations” argument is one among many arguments. Secondly, if you trust the “mesoretic text” enough to base 99 percent of Christian translations upon it, logically speaking, there is no reason not to rely on their punctuations; for what reason is their to differentiate ?

[@johnnybrave7443]

@@Jack-vy2vx because they are later additions? And goes against grammar syntax and context of biblical Hebrew!? And Christians use a wide variety of older manuscripts, not just masoretic, only the KJV and the rabbinic jewish works are limited to masoretic text 😐

[@eliyahlion9472]

Ikara is the future or the imperfect tense meaning not yet accomplish or being accomplish... Kara is the perfect tense meaning accomplished... The verse should read : '' He shall call his name...'' In Bereshit (Genesis) 1:5 we see a light being call in the future form and the darkness in the past as if the light is still being created and being accomplish and the darkness being limited as being already accomplished...

[@yoelestebansulistiono5664]

joe got me dying XDDD

[@michaeldunigan1067]

The prince of peace is the one who has the covenant of peace. Isaiah 54:10. The one who was forsaken.

[@Mark4Jesus]

Dr Brown is Tovia Singer's worst nightmare. Keeping em honest.

[@ChristianGirlwhoLovesJesus]

Also, ISAIAH was a monotheistic Jew - no way would he ever call Hezzekiah Mighty God.

[@berendvanrossum8475]

Rabbi Tovia claims that the name Hezekiah means The mighty God. he says that in the video called Isaiah 9:6 - Rabbi Tovia Singer: How the Church Twisted the Verse. he says that at @ min into the video. Is that true?

[@seektruth581]

Yes it does mean mighty God. Also the Judges in the old testament are called elohim which means God. Many biblical names contain Gods name, it's super common.

[@berendvanrossum8475]

no it's not true I've researched it. it means God strengthens

[@seektruth581]

@@berendvanrossum8475 what does it matter

[@berendvanrossum8475]

@@seektruth581 well Christ Jesus fulfilled Isaiah 9:6 and not Hezekiah.

[@seektruth581]

@@berendvanrossum8475 What do you mean God strengthens? It makes no sense. The verse in Hebrew says “El Gibor”. El is God and Gibor means mighty or powerful. Gibor is a an adjective - masculine singular, so I don’t understand where you get God strengthens from that.

[@evan7618]

Try to dismiss one little detail to break apart the other handfuls of prophecy that have become evidently fulfilled with Jesus as revealing of the New Covenant.

[@ChristianGirlwhoLovesJesus]

TALMUD always said this was future and about the Messiah. Targum Jonathan to the Prophets: “The prophet announced to the house of David that: ‘A boy has been born unto us, a son has been given unto us, who has taken the Torah upon himself to guard it; and his name has been called by the One who gives wonderful counsel, the Mighty God, He who lives forever: “Messiah,” in whose day peace shall abound for us. He shall make great the dignity of those who labor in the Torah and of those who maintain peace, without end; on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish it and to build it in justice and in righteousness, from this time forth and forever. This shall be accomplished by the Memra of the Lord of Hosts.'”[1] Babylonian Talmud (Tract Derech Erez Zutha): “Rabbi Hose the Galilean said: Also the name of the Messiah is called Peace, for it is written (Isaiah 9:6): ‘Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.'”[2] Midrash Rabbah (Debarim 1): “The Rabbis lay the following words in the mouth of the patriarch Jacob: “I have still to bring forth the King Messiah as it is written: ‘Unto us a child is born.'”[3] Iggereth Teman (Rabbi Moses ben Maimon writes to Jacob Alfajumi): “God named Him (the Messiah) with six names as He says concerning Him: ‘For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, God, Mighty, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace’. That He calleth Him God in a distinctive manner, is to say with it, that His glory surpasses that of all other children of men.”[4] Aben Ezra: “There are some interpreters who say that ‘Wonderful, Everlasting Father’ are names of God and only ‘Prince of Peace’ is the name of the child. But according to my view the interpretation is right (which says): all are the names of the child.”[5] Targum Isaiah: “The prophet saith to the house of David, A child has been born to us, a son has been given to us; and He has taken the law upon Himself to keep it, and His name had been called from of old, Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, He Who Lives Forever, The Anointed One (or Messiah), in whose days peace shall increase upon us.”[6]

[@newcrossflightz]

11:19 So the child is called, The Eternal Father. ....I see trinity concept here

[@Mark4Jesus]

Nope if we interpret that way it would support modalism.

[@TheCandel34]

Tovia singer is a slight of hand artist canabolizing the scriptures who’s only filter is Yahshua is not the messiah. Considering who Yahshua is, there is no wisdom in Tovia’s work EXCEPT to benefit beleivers in Yahshua to further their knowledge of the scriptures and INCREASE our intimacy with YHWH. What he means for evil YHWH uses it for good.

[@jacobs624]

Why do you write Yahshua like that? His name is ישוע so Yeshua. Nothing else. No ה in his name…. Contrary to the great prophet יהושע, Yehoshua.

[@TheCandel34]

@@jacobs624 why create a problem when there isn’t one ?

[@Nazarene_Judaism]

tovia twisting scriptures again...

[@Lil.Isrealit]

How so 🤔❓

[@OrenTube70]

Ahh. It is remarkable to what length R. ZINGER is willing to go against Jewish sources, linguistics and common sense. Why? What is this obsession?

[@glennshrom5801]

Looks quite the opposite. He goes to great lengths to affirm Jewish sources and linguistics. The obsession to go back to solid Jewish sources and linguistics is that some modern missionaries are hoping we will remain in ignorance, as they make accusations claiming the Scriptures are being misused, ... when actually the Messianic use of those Scriptures more closely aligns with traditional Jewish sources and linguistics!

[@anthonymorrison9787]

Doesn't Hezekiah's name mean Mighty God. If I am not Mistaken you did not address his name in the verse. Isn't a king a missiah.

[@stevensj6527]

Hezekiah means Yahweh strengthens/ Yahweh is my strength.

[@beslanintruder2077]

I agree with Brown until he tries to argue that Hezekiah being the potential messiah yet is not means that Jesus becomes the Messiah.

[@jesusaddict7698]

Jesus Christ is the Living God. He is the Jewish Messiah. He is a Glorified Jew! Amen!

[@_TheUnknown_]

The pseudo-rabbi Tovia Singer puts the familiar label "Christians changed the times of scripture." But this Pseudo-Rabbi forgets that the translation of the Old Testament was not done by the Christians but by the 70 Jewish translators of the scriptures. The Jews and no pseudo-rabbi dare enter into a dialogue with an orthodox Christian apologist because they know what will happen in front of their own audience. God who became man is Christ Himself, the incarnate word of God. Christ died only in his human nature, but as God that he is he even lived and lives eternally. David himself says it in Psalm 16: You will not leave my soul in Hades and you will not let your faithful one know corruption. In this Psalm, the Messiah, that is, Jesus Christ, is speaking. Isaiah 9:6: כִּי־יֶ֣לֶד יֻלַּד־לָ֗נוּ בֵּ֚ן נִתַּן־לָ֔נוּ וַתְּהִ֥י הַמִּשְׂרָ֖ה עַל־שִׁכְמֹ֑ו וַיִּקְרָ֨א שְׁמֹ֜ו פֶּ֠לֶא יֹועֵץ֙ אֵ֣ל גִּבֹּ֔ור אֲבִיעַ֖ד שַׂר־שָׁלֹֽום "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." I quote to you some few signs from the Old Testament to distinguish the Holy Triune God: •Gen. 1.26. •Gen. 3.22. •Gen. 11.7. • Is. 6.3. • Is. 6.1 • Gen. 18, 1 and ex. as the end of the chapter. •Gen. 19,24 • Psal. 32.6 •Soph. G. 16, 12-13 •Soph. G. 18, 15-15: •Soph. G. 9, 1-19 • Psal. 109, 1 • Psal. 2 •Prov. 1:20-33 •Dan. 7.13 • Is. 52.13 • Is. 7.14 •Soph. Series. 24.1 •Soph. Series. 1.1 • Zach. b' 12-15- Hebrew text: b' 8-11). • Psalm. md' 7-8H •Hospitality of Abraham • Is. at 1-10 Psalm 110:3. Isaiah 48:12-16: Hebrew Text: שְׁמַ֤ע אֵלַי֙ יַֽעֲקֹ֔ב וְיִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מְקֹרָאִ֑י אֲנִי־הוּא֙ אֲנִ֣י רִאשׁ֔וֹן אַ֖ף אֲנִ֥י אַחֲרֽוֹן׃ אַף־יָדִי֙ יָ֣סְדָה אֶ֔רֶץ וִימִינִ֖י טִפְּחָ֣ה שָׁמָ֑יִם קֹרֵ֥א אֲנִ֛י אֲלֵיהֶ֖ם יַעַמְד֥וּ יַחְדָּֽו׃ הִקָּבְצ֤וּ כֻלְּכֶם֙ וּֽשְׁמָ֔עוּ מִ֥י בָהֶ֖ם הִגִּ֣יד אֶת־אֵ֑לֶּה יְהֹוָ֣ה אֲהֵב֔וֹ יַעֲשֶׂ֤ה חֶפְצוֹ֙ בְּבָבֶ֔ל וּזְרֹע֖וֹ כַּשְׂדִּֽים׃ אֲנִ֥י אֲנִ֛י דִּבַּ֖רְתִּי אַף־קְרָאתִ֑יו הֲבִֽאֹתִ֖יו וְהִצְלִ֥יחַ דַּרְכּֽוֹ׃ קִרְב֧וּ אֵלַ֣י שִׁמְעוּ־זֹ֗את לֹ֤א מֵרֹאשׁ֙ בַּסֵּ֣תֶר דִּבַּ֔רְתִּי מֵעֵ֥ת הֱיוֹתָ֖הּ שָׁ֣ם אָ֑נִי וְעַתָּ֗ה אֲדֹנָ֧י יֱהֹוִ֛ה שְׁלָחַ֖נִי וְרוּחֽוֹ׃ {פ} English: ““Listen to me, Jacob, Israel, whom I have called: I am he; I am the first and I am the last. My own hand laid the foundations of the earth, and my right hand spread out the heavens; when I summon them, they all stand up together. “Come together, all of you, and listen: Which of the idols has foretold these things? The Lord’s chosen will carry out his purpose against Babylon; his arm will be against the Babylonians. I, even I, have spoken; yes, I have called him. I will bring him, and he will succeed in his mission. “Come near me and listen to this: “From the first announcement I have not spoken in secret; at the time it happens, I am there.” And now the Sovereign Lord has sent me, endowed with his Spirit.” In Isaiah 48:12-16 the God is speaking. Now, How the God can say that “The Lord has sent me with his spirit.”??? “The angel of God said to me in the dream, ‘Jacob.’ I answered, ‘Here I am.’ And he said, ‘Look up and see that all the male goats mating with the flock are streaked, speckled or spotted, for I have seen all that Laban has been doing to you. I am the God of Bethel, where you anointed a pillar and where you made a vow to me. Now leave this land at once and go back to your native land.’ ”” ‭‭Genesis‬ ‭31‬:‭11‬-‭13‬ ‭ “Then God said to Jacob, “Go up to Bethel and settle there, and build an altar there to God, who appeared to you when you were fleeing from your brother Esau.”” ‭‭Genesis‬ ‭35‬:‭1‬ ‭ How can God saying to Jacob “Go up to Bethel and settle there, and build an altar there to God, who appeared to you when you were fleeing from your brother Esau.”” Why in Genesis 31:11-13 says the angel of the Lord: I’m the God of Bethel? ‭‭ “The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground. He said, “If I have found favor in your eyes, my Lord, do not pass your servant by.” ‭‭Genesis‬ ‭18‬:‭1‬-‭3‬ ‭ “Then the Lord said, “The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know.”” ‭‭Genesis‬ ‭18‬:‭20‬-‭21‬ ‭ In this verses God says that he will visit Sodom and Gomorrah by Himself. Now watch this: “The men turned away and went toward Sodom, but Abraham remained standing before the Lord.” ‭‭Genesis‬ ‭18‬:‭22‬ ‭ We see in this verse that Abraham remained standing before the Lord, but the 2 men went in Sodom and Gomorrah. How can God says: “I will go down and see if what they have done.” When God remained stood with Abraham while the 2 men’s went to sodoma and gommorah? “The Lord said, “If I find fifty righteous people in the city of Sodom, I will spare the whole place for their sake.”” ‭‭Genesis‬ ‭18‬:‭26‬ ‭ How God can find something in the city while is with Abraham? This is a big proof that God is one but inside of him is 3 Person. “Then the Lord rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah-from the Lord out of the heavens.” ‭‭Genesis‬ ‭19‬:‭24‬ ‭NIV‬‬ The Hebrew text translates the Lord=YHWH. (יהוה) YHWH is the God. Now, How can YHWH (יהוה( rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah from the YHWH( יהוה( which is in Heaven? Genesis 1:26 Hebrew Text: וַיֹּ֣אמֶר אֱלֹהִ֔ים נַֽעֲשֶׂ֥ה אָדָ֛ם בְּצַלְמֵ֖נוּ כִּדְמוּתֵ֑נוּ וְיִרְדּוּ֩ בִדְגַ֨ת הַיָּ֜ם וּבְע֣וֹף הַשָּׁמַ֗יִם וּבַבְּהֵמָה֙ וּבְכׇל־הָאָ֔רֶץ וּבְכׇל־הָרֶ֖מֶשׂ הָֽרֹמֵ֥שׂ עַל־הָאָֽרֶץ׃ English: And God said, “Let us make humankind in our image, after our likeness. They shall rule the fish of the sea, the birds of the sky, the cattle, the whole earth, and all the creeping things that creep on earth.” 1) The Hebrew text doesn't say that God was talking to the angels or anything else. 2) Angel's cannot create life or give life. 3) In the next text about the creation of human says that the man created like in the Image of God and hes likeness. That shows that inside of the One God more than one persons is speaking.

[@openmindedchristian]

Amazing thanks. I also knew that those 3 men was indeed Yahweh. Because if the other 2 were mere angels. How can THEY 3 ANSWER ABRAHAM TOGETHER AS ONE VOICE. Angels would not speak when God is present.

[@_TheUnknown_]

@@openmindedchristian Absolutely brother, something inside me tells me that they know the truth but they don't accept it. And it is because they dont want to serve the God with faith.

[@openmindedchristian]

@@_TheUnknown_ Yup, watch the testimony of Sharon Allen in Sid roths supernatural, a Jewish woman comes to believe Jesus as Messiah. How she debates with modern rabbi's but they all have modern intepretations for every verse that points to Jesus as Messiah. But, she looks at traditional commentaries of Rabbi's and they recognize messianic prophecies. Finally, she finds Jesus.

[@_TheUnknown_]

@@openmindedchristian Glory to God ☦☝🏻

[@abbygale4913]

Too long. Cant it be shorten?

[@billyhw5492]

Tovia Singer has been getting pretty scary lately. He's slowly turning into Smeagol.

[@evenruderanger7617]

...I've seen many turn into smeagol in their old age! Haha

[@manne8575]

Yeah what he said about Palestinians is just sick. But well, what would we expect from someone like him? That guys needs Jesus.

[@meltzerboy]

But you praise Ibn Ezra's translation, in which Hezekiah is deemed a Messiah (even if not THE Messiah)--for the term itself was used to mean a person of renown such as a king--and then you state that the Targum is incorrect because since Hezekiah's kingdom was not eternal, he cannot be considered the Messiah. Which is it? Is the Targum, that is, Ibn Ezra, correct or incorrect? Further, the Targum admits that there is legitimate debate regarding whether the passage refers to Gd or the child. If so, why are you so critical of the former interpretation? Surely you realize that rabbis, whether ancient or modern, have different views on scripture, particularly on the meaning of prophecy, and sometimes both interpretations are valid, which neither Rabbi Singer nor you admit.

[@glennshrom5801]

The Targum was correct in considering the passage messianic. If it did refer to Hezekiah, then it was in a lesser sense as "a messiah", since the kingdom of Hezekiah did not last forever. There remained to be the messiah whose kingdom would last forever. I see Brown as critical, as you are, of Singer's failure to allow for a different interpretation. Singer mocks any suggestion of such an interpretation as ridiculous and only a mistake that Christians make, so Brown is showing that it is not so ridiculous and not limited to Christians, since Jews take that interpretation seriously. I don't think Brown ever says that any different interpretation is ridiculous, but only that Singer's failure to allow for a different interpretation is ridiculous. Check out the video again and see if I'm right about that. Oh, but I see now that both Brown and Singer seem to be saying that it's gotta be either one interpretation or the other in the final analysis. As you say, then, neither comes out and says that both interpretations may be simultaneously valid. I wonder what Brown would say about that, if he were pressed on the question of whether there could be multiple layers/meanings to the prophesy. There is no simple question of the passage referring to Gd or the child. Both interpretations agree that there is a child referred to in the passage.

[@AtiShard16]

'שוע אדנ'

[@michaelbruce9197]

Why isn’t Jesus called mighty God in the New Testament???? Etc

[@jacobbrownfield5753]

Read 2 peter 1, John 1, philippians 2, titus 1,colossians 1, and revelation 1. That's more than enough to wrap your brain around.

[@michaelbruce9197]

@@jacobbrownfield5753 these verses Have someone calling Jesus mighty God?

[@michaelbruce9197]

@@jacobbrownfield5753 waiting

[@ChristianGirlwhoLovesJesus]

*REVELATION 1:8* “ *I am the ALPHA and the OMEGA* ,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, *THE ALMIGHTY* .”

[@ChristianGirlwhoLovesJesus]

*HEBREWS 1:2-3* But in these last days HE HAS SPOKEN TO US BY HIS SON, whom he appointed the HEIR OF ALL THINGS, through whom also he created the world. He is the radiance of the GLORY OF GOD and the EXACT IMPRINT OF HIS NATURE, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high. *JOHN 8:58* Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” *PSALM 91:1-2* He who dwells in the shelter of the *MOST HIGH* will abide in the shadow of the ALMIGHTY* . I will say to the Lord, “My refuge and my fortress, my God, in whom I trust.”

[@RFTAband]

The word Vayiqra in this passage is in the active tense. Not Passive. So yes the “he” in question is the one being described via the various adjectives and then bestowing the title “prince of peace” on the child which was born. Brown is so intellectually dishonest about Hebrew.

[@glennshrom5801]

How did the other mentioned Jewish rabbis miss that then?

[@RFTAband]

@@glennshrom5801they didn’t. He even read the stone edition of the tanakh from chabad where it is properly translated.

[@baronkarza7716]

Dr. Charlatan was here :)))

[@isreallords9992]

It's absolutely about Me, Israel, the One Chosen of God spoken of all thru out prophecy. That's why the prophets never refer to the name Jesus, Rev3;12 & Isaiah 62;2 A NEW name is given, only He who receives it will know. I woke up on fire being devoured by sin while being in the flesh, it's far beyond mans ability to even imagine the kind of terror you become to yourself. The vexation was to understand the report and follow the map that lead back to Myself How else would the true Messiah know without a doubt who He is?.And prove it. I was under a sleeping spell that erased all past memories. Now you know why I said don't believe anyone coming in My name, Matt 24;5&24;23 I gotta NEW one in the end that was told from the beginning. On cross I accepted the debt of sin, becoming sin itself, that's what the fig tree was all about. Drop'd Myself a puzzle piece that only I could fit. There's a lot of times I'm talking to just Myself in the Scriptures that's why no one can make sense of it. , in judgement I paid that debt. . Any Questions?

[@Mark4Jesus]

It almost sounds like you're claiming to be Messiah.

[@isreallords9992]

@@Mark4Jesus I am bro. Born Joseph son of David on December 24th. Isaiah 28;16-19. About the Foundation who is the Messiah, the Son receiving judgement. Amos 5;6 Joseph is set on fire , judgement. Haggai ch2;18 gives the exact date the foundation was laid, the birth ot the Messiah,the 24th day of the 9th month. Ancient Hebrew April is the first month December is the 9th. Born in the flesh of David. Psalms 80;1, 81;4-5 connects Joseph to Israel. And Psalms 83;4 gives you the name the enemy tried to erase. I prove Jesus Christ Israel. Bro I can unfold Scriptures to you like we were walking to Emmaus. Ever wonder why they didn't recognize Me on the beach at first, just looked like a regular old Joe. Luke 23;50-53. It all adds up huh?

[@absofjelly]

The point is it is still referring to Hezekiah.

[@ChristianGirlwhoLovesJesus]

To call Hezekiah *MIGHTY GOD AND EVERLASTING FATHER* is *IDOLATRY* - ISAIAH WOULD NEVER CALL HEZEKIAH MIGHTY GOD. *PROVERBS 30:5-6* Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. 6 *DO NOT ADD TO HIS word's, lest he rebuke you and you be found a LIAR* . Tovia and his cult followers *ADD* to ISAIAH 9:6-7 & ISAIAH 53. IF ISAIAH MEANT HEZEKIAH, HE WOULD HAVE JUST SAID HEZEKIAH - HE DIDNT. *HEZEKIAHS kingdom ended - he did not fulfill ISAIAH 9:5*

[@garyweiss7111]

It's amazing that Dr. Brown, who doesn't know Hebrew, feels he knows Hebrew better than all our sages that live, breath and eat Hebrew long before J and the NT. Amazing. I don't care about the NT since it's not blessed or hinted to in the Tanak but Dr. Browns claim that Isaiah 9:6 is a future event and his proofs are so easy to debunk. He's wrong about how our Rabbis see the verse and how we translate some. He's wrong about his other supposed verses that are in the past but are about a future event. I can debunk him easily. Pick one of his proofs and I'll do it with ease.

[@LFTV]

From the LineofFire team: We're not sure where you got your information, but Dr. Brown is recognized as a Hebrew scholar and he has debated many learned rabbis. We welcome you to call the show and demonstrate where Dr. Brown is wrong on any point.

[@garyweiss7111]

@LFTV I know exactly who he is. I read and listened to tons of his stuff. I stand by what I say. He's easy to debunk. He's on the wrong side. I live in Israel to far to call his show.

[@pepepena1937]

@@garyweiss7111-“he is easy to debunk”- Why don’t you try debunking the *FACT* that JECONIAH’S curse was never reversed and you don’t have a way out

[@garyweiss7111]

@pepepena1937 It never was reversed, but they have their answer for that. The curse is one of many reasons J has no legal right to be the messiah.

[@pepepena1937]

@@garyweiss7111 -“the have the answer to that”- No they don’t. The only answer is actually found in Jesus. He gets the legal right to the throne via Mathew’s Solomon and his adoptive father Joseph bypassing the curse while getting untainted blood to David via Nathan and Mary in Luke’s genealogy

[@binhalamela]

Why do you capitalize messiah? It’s a bit misleading. There was many messiahs in the Old Testament. In all of those cases was that god in the flesh as well? Also I don’t see anywhere in the Old Testament that the messiah will be divine and you’ll have declare to believe in him for salvation. It’s weird that to get salvation according to Christianity you have to do a ritual baptism to Jesus and say you believe in him instead of god. But I guess that’s why the doctrine of the trinity was made up.

[@bobo577]

The Trinity wasn’t made up. The writers of the New Testament were aware Jesus made claims about himself that no human could make. Hence why passages about YHWH in the Old Testament apply to Jesus in the New. (Isaiah 6 and Psalm 102:25-27 being two examples but not the only ones.) Belief in Jesus is not in the place of YHWH, but rather one of the persons of the Godhead who make up the One God YHWH, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The “messiahs” mentioned elsewhere as you correctly say are in the Old Testament (Messiah meaning anointed one.) They weren’t God in the flesh though.

[@muttleytruth7824]

There's no trinity and jesus was never mentioned in the TANAKH not Once.

[@andrevisser7542]

All visual appearances of God were Jesus, the Word and Creator...

[@samueljali9446]

What is born of fresh is of fresh, what is born of the spirit is the spirit.

[@muttleytruth7824]

I don't want to argue. But try to go ever the TANAKH and read it because not One Prophet of God ever PROPHESIED about jc nor God ever told the People of Israel that about a son or messiah who will be jesus nothing. The only way to find jc is in the nt nothing elsewhere. Unfortunately the nt books are not reliable because there's to much loads of changes additions of words and stories. I only believe in the God of ABRAHAM ISAAC AND JACOB.

[@andrevisser7542]

@@muttleytruth7824, I also only believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The problem is that people don't understand that God created original Adam in His image and likeness, spirit, soul and body, three parts each with its own function but together forming one being. The body is our visible part that can interact with the physical realm but is controlled by the soul (mind), the spirit is the part that gives us life and connect to God. Yehovah said he is the only saviour, He manifested in Adam's fallen state (flesh) representing fallen Adam who was created to be son of God and sinned from that position... Yehoshua (Yeho-saviour) was a visible manifestation of Yehovah to restore what Adam has lost.

[@samueljali9446]

Wake up brother before is too late. Your faith must bring you the knowledge. Christ is real. You have to think first, why since Jesus departed from this world, it's never been a prophet in Israel? It's been 2000years now, this is too much. God was with Israel since Abraham era.

[@thewordistheonlytruth8784]

I love when dr brown refute this liar Tovia singer The son of the devil

[@MTDMP]

Dr.Brown is really trying to hard to put that Jesus where he is not. Jesus is never mentioned in Isaiah. He is reading out of context. Context is the answer, not Jesus.

[@anthonyderosa7730]

So then why does the Christian websites quote the orthodox jewish Bible which is a complete lie. That is not a "thing" and it also uses the JPS Bible on their websites. Well I'm sitting infront of an orthodox jewish tanakh and a jps tanakh and it does not say what the program has it on there. It says past tense. And it's talking about hezekiah. If this is a mistake then they ought to take it down immediately because if they didn't change it, then they are in violation of law. The point is. Someone changed something. Robert alter who wrote the primary translation used in "SEMINARY" schools??? This is not a jewish source neither or your other. This is etiehr a mistake on your part or a flat out lie. The problem is who the child IS. Not that it's about the child. This was a waste of time. Yes hezekoah was the moshiach of the battle with the Assyrians What is your point?!?

[@meltzerboy]

Are you referring to the fact that Hezekiah can be considered a Messiah while not the ultimate Messiah since the term "Messiah" was used in the Hebrew Scriptures to mean an esteemed king and not solely the Anointed One?

[@anthonyderosa7730]

@@meltzerboy yes. And as an Italian orthodox jew, I confirm.

[@anthonyderosa7730]

@@meltzerboy the word moshiach is used with the his name in hebrew

[@ChristianGirlwhoLovesJesus]

HEZEKIAHS kingdom did not last forever, not did his seed. Him and his sons were kidnapped by eunuchs and castrated. He was also defeated. ISAIAH would not call Hezekiah *MIGHTY GOD* AND *EVERLASTING FATHER* - IF ISAIAH MEANT HEZ KIAH, HE WOULD HAVE SAID HEZEKIAH AS HEZEKIAH WAS ALREADY 39 AT THE TIME OF ISAIAHS VISION.

[@bradleyhowes3872]

First Toviah will Blaspheme saying how can GOD have Flesh , Genesis proves JESUS CHRIST IS GOD . Genesis 18;1 Abraham saw 3 men . Verse 4 He offers to clean their feet , clearly these are men with feet , verse 8 He feeds them , clearly they eat , verse 9 The Lord in flesh Promises Abraham a Son , verse 14 The Lord says is there anything to Hard for Him to do , Proving his HaSHEM , The GOD in flesh infront of Abraham , Able to Do Anything . Further on Abraham tries to Convince GOD in The Flesh not to JUDGE Sodem and Gamora , So This Messiah is GOD in the Flesh , in Isaiah 9;6 , lying Toviah singer . Further on in Geneses 19 ; 24 , Totally Proves it ( (Then The LORD (1) Rained down burning sulphur onto sodem and gamorah from The LORD (2) out of The Heavens .

[@Mellownius]

Pesky masoretes

[@muttleytruth7824]

The passage is never about jesus.

[@muttleytruth7824]

@I see and you see I don't rely on my own opinion. If you can show me jesus was ever mention in the TANAKH unfortunately there is none not One verse.

[@muttleytruth7824]

@I see and you see I am not part of any world religion. I only believe in the God of Israel, the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, the God of the Prophets of God, the God of Moses, The God of King David, the God of Jeremiah, the God of Malachi... The Most High God the Creator of Heaven and Earth is who I Only give honour, praise and worship.

[@muttleytruth7824]

@I see and you see Does all the prominent People ABRAHAM ISAAC AND JACOB etc... I mentioned to you ever worship another God? NO. So neither I. We will only Worship the Only God and Saviour and Creator of Heaven and Earth. As I said I am not and will not be part of the world religion.

[@muttleytruth7824]

@I see and you see Sorry but as I said he is not ever mentioned not once in the TANAKH. The Creator himself never said anything to worship a son with the name jesus. God ALONE is to be worship and he is the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob. I will not commit Idolatry. King David know not another god and because of that King David's defeated all his enemies and are under his foot stool because he trusted the ONLY GOD the God of Israel.

[@muttleytruth7824]

@José Riquelme show me a single verse that the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob ever mention this false messiah jesus to his People? NONE!

[@andresdiaz7112]

I praise Hashem, and thank Hashem for Jesus. But I agree, Jesus is not God, He is our big brother who teaches us about Hashem and what Hashem can do, but the catholic church is all evil and the corruption of Holy scripture is blasphemy. PRAISE HASHEM ONLY, and because Hashem is the SOLE CREATOR, then thanks Him for Jesus, but DO NOT PRAISE JESUS. God is not man. Hashem is ONE.