What Is THE TOUGHEST KNIFE STEEL? Testing knife steel.

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OUTDOORS55

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@OUTDOORS55
@OUTDOORS55 5 жыл бұрын
Do you think the mora basic would hold up to the same abuse? Or does it even matter 🤷‍♂️
@Jordan.Buckley
@Jordan.Buckley 5 жыл бұрын
You should test it
@KhaledAli-dk3zc
@KhaledAli-dk3zc 5 жыл бұрын
No way.
@richardcranium6554
@richardcranium6554 5 жыл бұрын
Try it. I love Morakniv, but i have my doubts. Maybe the Garberg.
@Mikey1951ful
@Mikey1951ful 5 жыл бұрын
I think Pete (of Cedric and Aida) broke one.
@5thhorseman559
@5thhorseman559 5 жыл бұрын
It would be a good reference point!
@CedricAda
@CedricAda 5 жыл бұрын
I always say this, but I'll say it again. Your production is just top tier man. Definitely S class. SSGSS. Ultra instinct editing.
@OUTDOORS55
@OUTDOORS55 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks man! Always appreciate you stopping by👊
@targuscinco
@targuscinco 4 жыл бұрын
Hey, you're that feller with the goofy accent. Hey honey get in here. Its that boy from New Zealand!
@billthebutcher1821
@billthebutcher1821 2 жыл бұрын
I agree
@daveyboy6985
@daveyboy6985 9 ай бұрын
​@@targuscincohe's from Australia, not New Zealand 😂
@kimliebscher5884
@kimliebscher5884 5 жыл бұрын
Absolutely stunned by your vid. Last year I destroyed a blade made by me in 2006 from 1045 by batoning and the tang was only 4,5 mm width. I always think how our ancestors had to use their blades in daily use and always come to the conclusion there is always a way to breake your knive missusing it. It is a knive not a tank or an axe and also it is always incredible what the steel is capable of. Thanks for your effort showing that ability to us.
@chrisgrisham7566
@chrisgrisham7566 4 жыл бұрын
The whole point was a knife he wanted folks. 1) lightweight,2) durable, 3) full tang tough that could hold an good edge. I don’t think there is a knife on the market that could handle the abuse I just witnessed! I was astounded! First, who would treat a knife like this?😂😂 Your test was a success and I’ll be the first in line to order one of those knives in what ever steel you choose to make them out of. Awesome job and you get a star for courage on this...😂😂
@jeremybake1965
@jeremybake1965 5 жыл бұрын
Exactly the video I was looking for. It makes me feel even better about the 1084 I have. Thank you.
@e.t.preppin7084
@e.t.preppin7084 5 жыл бұрын
I think we learned we should have more protective gear on when testing knife destruction!!! 😂😂😂
@OUTDOORS55
@OUTDOORS55 5 жыл бұрын
🤫 youtube will ban me if they know this is dangerous..im undercover...
@debbiebissel50
@debbiebissel50 5 жыл бұрын
One thing that the test showed me was that you are one he'll of a knife maker, I enjoy all of your videos and I'm learning a good bit to improve my skills.Thank You Jake Bissel.
@RAkers-tu1ey
@RAkers-tu1ey 5 жыл бұрын
Try gun bluing (hot blue) on the S 7. Looks cool, and stops rust.
@lsubslimed
@lsubslimed 5 жыл бұрын
It wouldn't hold up very well when splitting through all that wood, however, I have recently seen some pretty crazy wear resistance testing on specific a DLC coating done by Razor Edge Knives over at BladeForums. He seems to have that process down. Looks beautiful on an mirror polish just like hot blueing does.
@RAkers-tu1ey
@RAkers-tu1ey 5 жыл бұрын
@@lsubslimed I am not familiar with the product, but you are likely correct about standard bluing. It holds up pretty well, but nothing can hold up to splitting dirty wood... any amount of fine quartz based sand or dust, and.... well, quartz is pretty hard compared to steel of any kind. The only true cure for rust on tools in contact with abrasives is stainless steel, even with its other issues.
@alexvargas4668
@alexvargas4668 4 ай бұрын
I'd be interested to see what nitriding does. I make saw blades for a living and nitride is a fantastic treatment for steel. It makes it harder and corrosion resistant, yet unlike gun blue or coatings it is not just a surface treatment; it will penetrate into the metal itself and even when the nitride appears to have worn off the steel will still have the benefits of the nitride treatment.
@gillbates999
@gillbates999 5 жыл бұрын
When you cut out the handle opening you may want to put a generous radius/chamfer on the edges of the opening, because that will be the #1 failure area (stress risers). AFAICT from video, that wasn't done. Indeed the failure in both cases was in the cut out handle area. Sharp corners will always lead to failure. (From what I've seen, most manufacturers "cheap out" on anything hidden by handle scales and don't properly radius their cut-out edges. Saves them a few bucks in costs...)
@STruple12
@STruple12 5 жыл бұрын
You always upload right when I'm deciding if I'll go to sleep or .. oh look, new outdoors55 video!
@rhino5419
@rhino5419 5 жыл бұрын
Hi. When both blades broke i noticed the bolts were not tight and were moving. If they were tight would the metal still have broken? Good health and stay safe.
@StevanOutdoor
@StevanOutdoor 5 жыл бұрын
I think it's more the cutout leaving little metal. It happens when you take the skeletonization to the max. The chain is only as strong as the weakest link, etc. I've seen a video of the Becker BK2 break inside the handle and also a Cudeman 'bushcraft' knife. In the old days they used to taper the steel in the handle to make it more lightweight and balanced.
@captainchaos3053
@captainchaos3053 4 жыл бұрын
I agree, the mounting was a bit so so and the amount of edge material around of the drilled holes plus no chamfered finish.
@macmccartney5760
@macmccartney5760 4 жыл бұрын
@@captainchaos3053 😭
@captainchaos3053
@captainchaos3053 4 жыл бұрын
@@macmccartney5760 😛
@captainmarvelous8739
@captainmarvelous8739 4 жыл бұрын
this sounds legit. I think if the front edge at 1/8" or so then the tang with it being thicker should have held up quite a bit if secured properly for sure.
@kwinzman
@kwinzman 10 ай бұрын
Every time someone uses ounces instead of grams a small kitten dies.
@jimFcooper
@jimFcooper 4 жыл бұрын
s7 is used on high end ar15 bolt carrier groups. super cool to see it in action in a different application.
@3SIfan86
@3SIfan86 5 жыл бұрын
Around 9:30 for the 1084 the bolt was coming loose allowing it to move and shock against the bolt. Probably caused the different break.
@markfulmer67
@markfulmer67 5 жыл бұрын
Another great video! I was really surprised by the 1084!
@noname-zp2zk
@noname-zp2zk 5 жыл бұрын
im absolutely loving this series. Id love to buy a knife when its done!
@cristopherdominguez8772
@cristopherdominguez8772 4 жыл бұрын
Nice job dude. That was some good dedication right there
@siono12
@siono12 5 жыл бұрын
From Europe I appreciated a lot the weight conversions in grams on the previous video, I missed it a bit on this one, but still I really like your videos, keep it up!
@OUTDOORS55
@OUTDOORS55 5 жыл бұрын
Sorry forgot to do the conversions in this video. Thanks my friend 👊
@siono12
@siono12 5 жыл бұрын
@@OUTDOORS55 Don't worry, it's not a big problem!
@e.t.preppin7084
@e.t.preppin7084 5 жыл бұрын
Wibble bobble. That’s it you are my hero knife maker beater upper with words like wibble bobble. I’m super impressed and as always very entertained!!!!
@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors
@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors 5 жыл бұрын
I wish more people tested like this!!! The only think i would like to add is to get more hp on the blade a much heavier baton goes a long way. I prefer a hunk of wood at least 5" in diameter at least 12" in length at full width with a nice handle. Keep up the hard work!
@oldgeccko8207
@oldgeccko8207 5 жыл бұрын
I'm blade-smithing vicariously through you and your giving me great pleasure threw your videos dude!😀 Keep it up and at least Show some type of protective body and eye "Armor" please, your one of my GOAT people and channels?
@drunkenblacklocustbushcraf2857
@drunkenblacklocustbushcraf2857 5 жыл бұрын
I'd be interested seeing how the tool steels like O-1, A-2, and L-6 preform. I understand L6 is considered to be really good survival knife steel. I've never used it to know.
@captainchaos3053
@captainchaos3053 4 жыл бұрын
The sling shot channel did a great video on cheap vs expensive blades and steel types. In my experience it's almost always side load that oes the damage.
@0netheonly
@0netheonly 5 жыл бұрын
Hey, do you sell your work, I would love a blade in s7 with a full tang handle. Let me know if you could do that please?
@bolsack8902
@bolsack8902 5 жыл бұрын
Seth Rainser I don’t think he sells yet but he said he posts anything that is for sale on his instagram
@craigmooring2091
@craigmooring2091 5 жыл бұрын
It seems to me that we also learned that that type of full-length hollow tang is susceptible to breaking at the point where it enters the handle. Maybe it would be different embedded in the scales with epoxy filling that vast hollow space.
@Fox8ball.
@Fox8ball. 3 жыл бұрын
What an achievment i dont know much about knives or steel but after your last video on this im super impressed
@semco72057
@semco72057 5 жыл бұрын
The survival knives I have are made from 1095 steel and they work fine for me and have not broken yet. I have other knives with weaker steel and they are just fine, but they have not been tested to see if they would break. They do not have a full tang though and is just plain hunting knives and not advertised as survival knives.
@jamesd4923
@jamesd4923 5 жыл бұрын
I was a Tool and Die maker and often wondered why didn't make Knives Out of S7 shock resistant tool steel perfect👍👍
@StillNoPickles69
@StillNoPickles69 5 жыл бұрын
Not the Blade Breaker 9000!! Every blade Smith’s worst nightmare! Haha good job as always, keep us updated on your quest to make the perfect knife.
@KnifeChatswithTobias
@KnifeChatswithTobias 4 жыл бұрын
WOW! Fantastic video and kind of shows you that some of the older steels are more than "super" enough than most real world uses. Great video!
@michaeldemetriou1399
@michaeldemetriou1399 3 жыл бұрын
He really is on the quest to learn as much as he can about knives and steel he is getting good results.
@tyronekim3506
@tyronekim3506 5 жыл бұрын
Very good destruction test. The Destructor 9000 is impressive. Don't go with a thinner stock, but lesson learned: don't hollow out the tang.
@j_edwards6075
@j_edwards6075 5 жыл бұрын
Don't know if this would be of any interest to you, but there was a fella on the Australian Blacksmith, Bladesmith facebook page who posted some tests he had done on a few steels yesterday. He tested RWL34, 12C27 and NitroV. All variants of stainless steel. He wanted to try and "deep freeze" these steels after heat treating them to find the differing results of hardness between them. The term "deep freezing" means just putting these steels into your basic freezer which is usually set at -18°C. The was his process: -Heat to austenitizing temperature. -Quench between plates. -Freeze. -Temper. He had a scrap piece of steel for each variant of steel for both deep freezing and normal heat treating. So there were 6 pieces he tested. He had each piece hardness tested professionally. I don't know if you're familiar with the hardness testing but, knife steel hardness is measured in Rockwell hardness HRC. His results were as follows: Cold tested steels: - RWL34 = 62HRC - 12C27 = 60HRC - NitroV = 62HRC Normal heat treating: - RWL34 = 58HRC - 12C27 = 58HRC - NitroV = 56HRC So essentially the "deep freeze" tested steels would technically have far better edge retention and durability than your normal heat treated blades; but would be more prone to shattering if they were dropped on something like concrete.
@solairable
@solairable 5 жыл бұрын
I think most steels would go up the HRC scale if you deep freeze them. Which is why they do it for stainless steels, because unlike carbon, and this is not true for all stainless steels, some shoot up the HRC scale with a basic heat treat, but a lot would not hit the 62+ range unless you deep freeze them after heat treat, they would be what you said that the guy did on his tests, around 58 or whatever but after they would shoot up to 63. Carbon though dont seem to have any problems in reaching 64 with just a basic heat treat, most of them are crazy brittle and need temper right away, its just to get the stainless up a bit higher before they temper them down in both casses. Though from what I heard I dont think your garden variety home frezzer would not do, you would need at least -90 Fahrenheit and that for hours, or a day, and even that may not be cold enough, somewhere in the neighborhood of liquid nitrogen -300 or so degrees. It makes me want to try it, you know just stick some knifes I wont miss, in the freezer for a few days and break stuff, just to see what happens.
@j_edwards6075
@j_edwards6075 5 жыл бұрын
@@solairable Yes, it's all very interesting. I wasn't meaning to say it was any better, I just thought the information about deep freezing in general might be of interest to somebody. I wish I had the resources to test this stuff myself, it'd be pretty damn cool to test the steels breaking point using liquid nitrogen deep freezing 👌
@mikafoxx2717
@mikafoxx2717 2 ай бұрын
​@@solairableyou're somewhat inaccurate. It's about the temperature reached and also elapsed time after quenching that affects hardness, not the time in the cryo. All steels benefit from cryo for getting harder but it doesn't increase toughness, it lowers it still. But you'll get a harder blade at the same temper. Usually hardness is the limiting factor for most knives, not toughness. You can make a knife tougher by making it thicker but you can't make it more hard. If it's not hard, you need to make it obtuse anyways to hold up and then the toughness doesn't matter because it's already a prybar.
@Drainolordofsteves
@Drainolordofsteves 25 күн бұрын
Im a little late, but i love s7, it is stupidly strong and tough, and my favorite after that is 52100. It can be extremely strong and strong depending how you heat treat it, it can be springy as well rather than take a set at a similar hardness to other other steels. But can also be hardened to about 73 rockwell if using water. Boiling water. Very versatile in uses. S7 is one to use when it you do t want it to break at all. And still be pretty hard. It is expensive though. 52100 is my back up mostly due to cost difference.
@noisepuppet
@noisepuppet 13 күн бұрын
I've always figured you could break any knife by batoning if you're letting it point upward and hitting it near the tip. Now I'm not so sure.
@wadejensen3301
@wadejensen3301 5 жыл бұрын
Digging this series mate.... good work!
@jackcleary1879
@jackcleary1879 5 жыл бұрын
Loving this new series, keep up the good work!!
@Smegmalicious
@Smegmalicious 5 жыл бұрын
I’m a simple man. I see Outdoors55, I thumbs up. Great video as usual! You’re awesome and because of you I bought an angle grinder and made my first knife last weekend!
@OUTDOORS55
@OUTDOORS55 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks my friend! Sounds like you had fun👍👊
@joshuasamuels4802
@joshuasamuels4802 5 жыл бұрын
If you ever make a sheath, would you keep oil in it? I mean for the S7 tool steel... I'm sure hot bluing would help a lot to. Just wondering.
@TheArtofCraftsmanship
@TheArtofCraftsmanship 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome video brother. Now I know why your arm was sore😂. Those took some serious, out of this world, abuse. Looking forward to scales.
@OUTDOORS55
@OUTDOORS55 5 жыл бұрын
Lol it wasnt from this😂 I pulled something trying to pull a tree stump out of the ground. Yeah I thought for sure it would have broken. Thanks for watching my friend 👍👊
@EagleJim62
@EagleJim62 5 жыл бұрын
Fascinating stuff. Keep the vids coming. Best of luck in your quest.
@SteveRobReviews
@SteveRobReviews 5 жыл бұрын
Discovery network reported the samurai blade . Not common to see any knife builders trying forged blades , go for it Alex 👍
@OUTDOORS55
@OUTDOORS55 5 жыл бұрын
🤔...👍👊
@ArthurHerbst
@ArthurHerbst 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, do you remember what your thickness bevore the edge was? Ive been doing some testing on 80CrV2 and my testblades took a warp in the edge portion even up to 0,6mm "thickness bevor the edge" while rough batoning through a quite twisted knot. Now im wondering if my HT is faulty. Blades are at 61-62 HRC tough...
@thiago.assumpcao
@thiago.assumpcao Жыл бұрын
If you have fine grain and 61-62 HRC heat treatment should not be the issue. Maybe too thin for the task. Have you seen Larrin last article. 15N20 on 61HRC with 66% higher toughness than 80CrV2 on same hardness. Quite impressive, Its worth checking out.
@ArthurHerbst
@ArthurHerbst Жыл бұрын
@@thiago.assumpcao Yeah, might have been too thin. Was a hollow grind too. Yes, definetly have seen that. Truely amazing. Might still take a warp in the same application though, since plastic deformations are mainly determined by yield strength (which correlates mostly with hardness) But still, if the toughness reall is that amazing it might be quite the upgrade :D
@OldPackMule
@OldPackMule 5 жыл бұрын
Outstanding!!!! I have been searching for exactly the same type of product. I have been carrying the Mora myself but share the same concerns with the handle. I would love to see you do this in an S30V or S35VN (my favorite steels). Not sure how they would baton though. Even so I would pay for an orange G10 version with 1084. You may have hit a market niche here.
@OUTDOORS55
@OUTDOORS55 5 жыл бұрын
I may venture into stainless at some point but i dont have the capability for cryogenic treating right now. Yeah it seems some totally get where this project is coming from, and some definitely dont😂 Thanks for watching my friend 👍👊
@mikafoxx2717
@mikafoxx2717 2 ай бұрын
Mora is tough! The steel they use is crazy tough, too tough even because they're too soft. Toughness matters less if it bends permanently. Toughness + hardness means it can bend further before taking a permanent bend (hardness) and bend further before snapping (toughness). Once a steel starts to bend, it doesn't take much extra force to keep bending it, which is the downfall especially at the apex of the knife.
@OlJarhead
@OlJarhead Жыл бұрын
That was a LOT of leverage on your blades using the ultra long testing “handle”. Impressive.
@samdungan03
@samdungan03 5 жыл бұрын
I was just talking about Lynn Thompson and how even if he knows what he's talking about.... The way he presents his knowledge comes off as a cheap used car salesman. I don't believe or trust a word he says. You sound like you know exactly what your talking about. I trust these videos. Great stuff.
@TarqPick
@TarqPick 5 жыл бұрын
The blade on the S7 steel did bend. You can see it at 7:36. Edit: I see you addressed this at the end of the video, now that I've watched that far. Good job.
@lordscan1047
@lordscan1047 5 жыл бұрын
Transform the remaining of the s7 knife as a folding knife
@michaelpruitt6292
@michaelpruitt6292 5 жыл бұрын
The funny thing is your cool handle you designed for testing created a ton of leverage at the bolted points. There would never be that kind of torque on a regular knife handle. Those blades are even tougher than that test shows in my opinion.
@OUTDOORS55
@OUTDOORS55 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah theres no way either would break if anyone was holding the handle. You would most likely break your hand first. I kniw i almost did, or it felt like it😂
@johnsmithfakename8422
@johnsmithfakename8422 Жыл бұрын
I know this is a few years late but here is my $0.02 A tough steel ... 8670 is one of the toughest steels on the market. I think the heat treatment known as the goldilocks treatment is 1500f soak for 10 minutes, quench in parks 50, and two temper cycles at 400f for 2 hours. The HRC is around 60 and it has a toughness around 17 ft-lb. Depending on where you look, you can get 8670 at around 0.100 inches to 0.200 inches. 8670 is a low alloy, nickel alloy steel (Nickel in steel is known to make tough steels, but they are difficult to anneal), so it will rust.
@markschroeder567
@markschroeder567 5 жыл бұрын
Alex, I have really improved my sharpening skills watching you. Could you do a video sometime on sharpening a 6" fishing fillet blade? Mako
@davidcoats1037
@davidcoats1037 5 жыл бұрын
Very interesting stuff Alex. Thanks for sharing this.
@bulbchangingmonkey
@bulbchangingmonkey 5 жыл бұрын
I Commented before watching soo edit. Holy crap good stuff right there.
@docthebiker
@docthebiker 4 жыл бұрын
Loosening of the bolts caused a twisting side leverage force between the handle and the angle iron which would be far greater than the impact force of the blade strike. If you'd worked out a better gripping system (between plates) I think you'd still be hitting the S7 even now.
@csmallstar
@csmallstar 4 жыл бұрын
You can put on a fake edge or a finger groove or choil along the spine you could also grind it into a drop point witch still works for all your needs
@electrolysisresearch8013
@electrolysisresearch8013 3 жыл бұрын
On my opinion it is L6 or L2. But the heat treat is pretty complicated. I do hot oil quench Bainite. But the S7 and v3 should kick ass too.
@rockets4kids
@rockets4kids 5 жыл бұрын
The way that most people break blades batoning is by batoning through twisted grain or a knot. This applies the same lateral loads as prying which you mention at the 11:00 mark. If you have enough intelligence to study the wood you are batoning and toss any bad stuff to the side you can get by with an even thinner blade still.
@liamjack5944
@liamjack5944 5 жыл бұрын
Try aeb-l. Because it has a super fine grain structure, it can hold up to a lot of abuse.
@alfredyu7213
@alfredyu7213 5 жыл бұрын
Solid Test!!! Thanxs!!!😎
@KinuGrove
@KinuGrove 5 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to seeing how 01 does in this kind of testing.
@sebs_scandi_knifesiam8016
@sebs_scandi_knifesiam8016 4 жыл бұрын
Kinu Grove yes Please do video of this steel
@BigHesh81
@BigHesh81 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Alex, I think for future testing, rather than using wing nuts to secure the knife to the angle-iron, I would use a nylon-lock nut, or something that has more locking/clamping strength. The wing nuts are showing that they come loose during your testing, and the shock and offset forces at the two spots may be contributing to the breakage more than you realize. I realize this is by no means a scientific experiment, but given that Im sure you have these sorts of materials at your disposal (or easily obtained) you may want to consider it. Just for clarification, was it the 1084 or the S7 that you said was VERY prone to rusting? Thanks for yet another awesome vid! Love the info and edumacation!
@timpinxteren
@timpinxteren 5 жыл бұрын
BigHesh81 I believe Alex mentioned the S7 as very prone to rusting
@krustysurfer
@krustysurfer 3 жыл бұрын
Tough stuff cool test thanks for showing us the blade destructor 9000
@CafeenMan
@CafeenMan 5 жыл бұрын
S7 is very economical as well. Amazon has it for only $250 for a 1/4" x 1-1/2" x 18" piece. I'm going to order a couple dozen pieces to make a few knives.
@OUTDOORS55
@OUTDOORS55 5 жыл бұрын
Lol yeah thats a great price 😳 ill take 25 pieces please 🤣
@knight16
@knight16 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a update on the knife you ended up using to see how well it has done
@dominiquejones6885
@dominiquejones6885 4 жыл бұрын
What about a titanium or magnesium alloy blade
@th.burggraf7814
@th.burggraf7814 Жыл бұрын
Wow.., impressive ! ...to say the least. 👍🏻
@jimmycricket7946
@jimmycricket7946 Жыл бұрын
3V hasn't let me down yet, I've had a few bad experiences with 52100 and SK5. 420HC is pretty tough too but the edge dulles out pretty quickly.
@richroc7
@richroc7 5 жыл бұрын
I don’t know about the mora basic, I have the companion in SS and a pro S, both Sandvik 12c27 I think. For the price, like you said who cares but they’re pretty tough. I’m eager to see you test 3V, hopefully you’ll get cpm 3V. I have 3 Bark River Knives in it & they’re great.
@KrypticKratos
@KrypticKratos 4 жыл бұрын
I really do love your vids 🍻
@treffensaintjohnllc2913
@treffensaintjohnllc2913 4 ай бұрын
Can you recommend an ultra-premium steel for Arizona law enforcement knives? Due to our low humidity, we do not need corrosion resistance, but toughness and edge retention (wear resistance). Our cops use their knives for everything! - screwdrivers, cutting through fences, slicing seat belts from burn victims, et al. We do not need a recommendation on a specific brand of knives - we will find a manufacturer once we learn which steel is ideal for Arizona LEOs. Can you make a recommendation?
@ImHereForYourArtStream
@ImHereForYourArtStream 5 жыл бұрын
It wouldn't have even broke if the tang/handle was solid and wasn't skeletonize. But still shows how tough even skeletonize. Great testing
@timpinxteren
@timpinxteren 5 жыл бұрын
Another great video! These kinds of video's are of great value for knife enthousiasts and makers, like myself. I mostly use O1 and 80CrV2 steel for my knives, so I'd love to see you try and destoy these two steels. Especially 80CrV2 is a very tough steel in my experience 😎
@jasonh.8362
@jasonh.8362 5 жыл бұрын
Do you have knives for sale? Can you direct me to where?
@acamparargentina
@acamparargentina 2 жыл бұрын
Good one! Been thinking for a long tima on making myself a good battoning knife, but my idea is to make it from Böler K390 steel, IF i can find it anywhere near where i live
@kmcgovern2012
@kmcgovern2012 5 жыл бұрын
S7 is tough. However in a knife, I can't think of any steel that will break batoning. roll the edge maybe, but to break a piece of hardened steel (any hardened steel) by striking across it's height, you'd have to exert more force then you can likely apply with your hands. As for the testing, it showed that a knife made from S7 will break after a single hit with the hard wood, while the 1080 took 2. As long as none of the other hits created a crack in the s7, it would be as strong as if it had never been hit.
@alcatrazmiller1364
@alcatrazmiller1364 5 жыл бұрын
Love to watch your video on 3v. Looking forward to your videos!
@OUTDOORS55
@OUTDOORS55 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks my friend for taking the time to watch 👍👊
@robertjahrling1877
@robertjahrling1877 5 жыл бұрын
Okay you got me sold I am Absolutely brutal on knives My best knives don't last me but about a month maybe two at the most. I HUNT, FISH, WORK carpentry, SCRAP METAL 4fun, CUT MASKING TAPE For custom painting cars. If this knife is even close two doing the things you've done on this video I WANT/NEED ONE. WHAT IS IT AND WHERE CAN I GET IT.!!
@ReneRodriguez-uh3ew
@ReneRodriguez-uh3ew 5 жыл бұрын
Would you make a knife to sell? I like the design and the toughness of the S7 with a full tang (not hollowed out)
@TheScoundrel70
@TheScoundrel70 5 жыл бұрын
I only have one S7 blade, and it's a big chopper, but I've found it to be incredibly tough and has never had any signs of chipping or rolling. It holds an edge well, and is not difficult to strop/hone/sharpen. 3v is certainly more corrosion resistant, holds an edge better, but takes longer to bring the edge back using the same abrasives as used on the S7. I don't have a 3v blade comparable to the S7 as far as dimensions, but I think it's a more balanced steel as far as the knife trinity of abrasion resistance, strength, and toughness. I think it will come down to personal preference as to which qualities are more desirable, and how each quality is weighted in its importance by the individual. Either way, on a knife that size, it will be a great knife.
@Ikxi
@Ikxi 4 жыл бұрын
Jörg Sprave did some cool knife tests Knives flying against each other
@MountainFisher
@MountainFisher 4 жыл бұрын
I made a ax head out of S7. Hard and never chipping. Why didn't you taper the tang down to save weight?
@me2bfc
@me2bfc 4 жыл бұрын
S7, S5, 5160, AEB-L, 8670, 1075, A8 & 3V all have very high toughness. Use whatever fits your equipment best and whatever is cheapest.
@amos3106
@amos3106 5 жыл бұрын
I like S7, 8670, 5160, A8mod, Z-tough and TSP1 steels a lot. I think if you make it true full tang plus tapered tang for balance, it might not break. It broke due the the stress riser of the large hole.
@joesjourney9986
@joesjourney9986 5 жыл бұрын
That is damn impressive Alex. Really nice job dude
@kimcurtis9366
@kimcurtis9366 4 жыл бұрын
How about using 5160? It's damn tough! ALSO, What are the rods or whatever you use to hold the knife upright in the treating/tempering oven called? Where can I get a jig or the materials to make one, from?
@notasbignow1
@notasbignow1 5 жыл бұрын
Well that interesting amazing it just shows some steel that's unbreakable but with type of punishment wow really enjoyed this video amazing as usual Paul 😄😄
@Moon_Quake
@Moon_Quake 5 жыл бұрын
Love all your videos
@dylanbennett3851
@dylanbennett3851 5 жыл бұрын
A "wibblewobble"? Is that a knife making tech term I missed? Lol just joking brother! Great video tons of good info, ur channel is actually one of the first ones I found when I got into knifemaking and liked that u didnt use tons of expensive equipment that I couldnt afford. 👍🏻
@greenforest80
@greenforest80 3 жыл бұрын
Would like to see the test on Z-tuff and calmax steel.
@lukearts2954
@lukearts2954 5 жыл бұрын
good stuff! Since you're hollowing out the "integral" tang to reduce weight, perhaps you can gain another few grammes by making it a hidden tang? Not sure which shape you'd have to pick to best withstand batonning, but that's maybe also a very interesting test series... I'd really would like to know how thin a tang can be - with a proper handle - without significantly compromising the integrity of the blade. And I'd be even more interested in finding out if different shapes of hidden tang make a difference in performance. I've seen hidden tangs straight, curved, centered, aligned with the spine... but perhaps there are other shapes and positions that have better performance for specific use?
@OUTDOORS55
@OUTDOORS55 5 жыл бұрын
I don't believe a hidden tang would be strong enough given this knife size and weight. It would also make the handle material a structural element. For breaking strength everything matters. Including the shape and finish left on the steel surface. Its a rather complex subject once you start digging 😂
@lukearts2954
@lukearts2954 5 жыл бұрын
@@OUTDOORS55 yes, hence my question to the expert ;))
@lukearts2954
@lukearts2954 5 жыл бұрын
@@OUTDOORS55 and yes, the handle would have a structural importance, but I don't think it's that much when the knife is held by your hand. You're batonning the blade, and the handle mostly positions. Your hand will not be as rigid as your contraption, so the handle itself will only receive a very limited shock. The handly only needs to be strong enough to withstand shocks that your hand can handle, otherwise you're smashing your hand anyway, and what good is a stronger knife handle in a shattered hand?
@someguy4909
@someguy4909 4 жыл бұрын
Blck Smith : forges a blade Forged in fire judges : stabs a steel drum and a cinder block Doug : your knife will keel
@varietyhub498
@varietyhub498 4 жыл бұрын
this guy really love knives! beat it boy!
@missionhillssurvival
@missionhillssurvival 5 жыл бұрын
I have an okc bushcraft field knife in thin 5160 I would like to see you test thanks for your vids awesome work
@luderickwong
@luderickwong 5 жыл бұрын
Just one question, gentleman, why the tang had to be hollow? The cog will have a heavy tip and a weak tang, and you won't save any steel from this design. So, what is the purpose....??
@RESTLESSOUTDOORS
@RESTLESSOUTDOORS 5 жыл бұрын
Really can't wait to see the end product and final weight!!!
@mikelikesknives428
@mikelikesknives428 5 жыл бұрын
You have a talent for destruction. I can watch it all day. Nice job on those blades. They survived some serious stuff. S7 looks great.
@mountainhobo
@mountainhobo 5 жыл бұрын
(1) Will 1084 or S7 sharpen more easily in the field? (2) Will both stay working sharp for 3-4 weeks out in the field? (3) Is 1084 significantly cheaper than S7? We already know 1084 is less rust prone than S7, and it can withstand pretty much anything short of Blade Breaker 9000.
@elonquemattheson6151
@elonquemattheson6151 4 ай бұрын
Did you ever try making AerMet blades for this knife? That's about as good as you're going to get for strength and toughness, at the expense of edgeholding.
@beardedarchery3576
@beardedarchery3576 5 жыл бұрын
I've also seen your V3 video what are the RHC of all the different steels??
@jouwenlee7829
@jouwenlee7829 5 жыл бұрын
Any plan to do 1095 tests? This is also popular outdoor steel used in reputable brands.
@TarqPick
@TarqPick 5 жыл бұрын
I don't think the Mora Basic would stand up to this kind of abuse, but I don't think the finished version of an S7 or 1084 steel knife in the same profile as a Mora Basic would sell for $8 either. I think if you test it, you'll find that the Mora Basic can be used reliably for batoning, as long as the user is reasonable cautious and judicious about it. The basic is also a 3/4 tang knife if I recall correctly.
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