WHAT IS THE UGLIEST STARFLEET SHIP? Lets have a discussion...

[@youtubehandlescostmemyusername]

Couldn't have more opposite tastes but I watched the whole video.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Thank you for your dedication! Does the format work for you? Is there anything we could do better?

[@youtubehandlescostmemyusername]

@@OneTrekMind Format is fine. Just happy you aren't AI voices.

[@OneTrekMind]

@@youtubehandlescostmemyusername We would never use AI for voices

[@kennethsumida5264]

1. intrepid class, 2. nebula class. 3. runabout class. 4. defiant class. 5.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Defiant eh?

[@drewjackson3858]

The Yeager class (sp) looks like a Maquis raider rammed into the back of Voyager.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: They wont be getting a good insurance deal next year thats for sure

[@All2Meme]

Maybe the Maquis raider was following too close, and the Intrepid hit the brakes too hard.

[@chbu7081]

I definitely disagree with you on the Galaxy and Nebula classes. The Crossfield class Discovery is one of the ugliest ships, IMO.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Crossfield is defo up there on my lists

[@OneTrekMind]

Michael: Crossfield definitely has some need for improvements but something about the Nebula just makes my stomach turn.

[@BNuts]

I have one of the original Galoob toys of the _D_ . Its frontheaviness due to the extreme weight of the primary hull bothered me even as a kid, since it is unable to sit upright unless you stack something underneath the saucer. And yet it also looks strange if you display the two hull sections separately.

[@Peaceforall20111]

I love the line “so it’s gross as well as ugly”gave me a chuckle

[@OneTrekMind]

Michael: Yeah when he said it was partially grown it solidified my feelings on it tenfold

[@shabbysnubtide3339]

The Defiant. Looking at head on it reminds me of a Proboscis Monkey. Now that you’ve read that you won’t be able to unsee it.

[@itsjustme8947]

It's a fu*king tick! Un-see THAT!

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: oh good your right...

[@Benjamin-yl4xl]

It does look like it has an ugly nose! I agree it is one of the ugliest designs yet I overlook it due to its amazing firepower.

[@BNuts]

Sisko wanted to ensure it had a design that would protect its most vulnerable and important components, and it does. All the traditional design aspects of a Starfleet vessel are all there, by the way. They're just incased in more armour. And it looks quite good to me. Tough little ship. The Rex has become one of my favourite variants.

[@CDP1861]

Finally! After all those years someone dares to call the Galaxy class ugly. It really is and I never really warmed up to it.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Im really surprised about how many folks agree with me about it lol

[@CDP1861]

@@OneTrekMind It's like the story of the emperor's new clothes. Everybody keeps praising them, just because it is what everybody else seems to do, It takes a while before someone dares to point out the truth: The emperor is naked.

[@mjbull5156]

The Galaxy looks sort of fat, in my opinion, kind of like an overstuffed pillow. Sort of fits the luxury hotel image.

[@rufus5966]

Way too many windows on the bottom part of the ship, who wants to have quarters where the window is on the floor? It does though look like someone got a big blob of shaving cream and just started smoothing it out.

[@OneTrekMind]

@@rufus5966 Raptor: Yeah i always wondered how the ventral windows work in terms of quaters. Like, are the ventral decks built upside down and the anti gravity makes you think its normal so the windows are in the right place?

[@stevew8513]

All ships from Discovery. Why so much negative space? Why interrupt the saucer with big gaps of nothing? No country's navy would build an aircraft carrier with a giant hole directly center through the hull going down to the ocean. So planes would have to launch around the big hole, kind of like crew members having to walk all the way around giant gaps in the saucer through the four "spokes" just to get to the bridge. Idiotic.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Agreed im not a fan of teh Crossfield Class. The negative space, pointless spinny bits and the over long nacelles all make it look pretty bad to me.

[@SIXPACFISH]

China built an Aircraft Carrier with a huge crack from side to side in the center of the flightdeck.

[@OneTrekMind]

@@SIXPACFISH Thats not quite the same as negative space

[@groom_of_the_stools]

​@@OneTrekMindThe regular Crossfield doesn't have that weird gap. Discovery has it because it charges the Mycelial reactor. Discovery and the Buran were two unique Crossfields, not like the others in the class.

[@Z1gguratVert1go]

Actually I prefer the attitude of just acting as if STD doesn't exist at all.

[@andrewbutton2039]

I reckon the Yeager was a Maquis raider/Condor that got scooter through the space compression anomaly from that DS9 episode, but the other way round so it went bigger not smaller. They shrugged and added a reject intrepid saucer and internal components and called it a day.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: lol a very trek idea. love it

[@geminijustgemini7784]

Anything with detached nacelles is just aweful

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: makes no bloody sense in any way

[@OneTrekMind]

Michael: Aesthetically the detached nacelles look fine I guess, but from any point of logic it just makes no sense and seems like a terrible idea.

[@philly83]

Angry comment...... Seriously though, I can understand why you don't like the galaxy class. My ugliest ship is the Yeager class.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Any others youd have in your dishonourable mentions?

[@andersonnettleship845]

The Galaxy Class is ugly.

[@Peaceforall20111]

I love the galaxy, but it is very funky looking. I think that you’re looking at it through nostalgia goggle, buddy. They giving frank opinions based upon the criteria of the video. And the way he outlined issues with galaxy they make sense in themselves

[@chbu7081]

A couple of points; 1) Intrepid class ships were more suited to the front lines than guard duty. 2) Scaling of hull designs (for the Yeager class) was not unheard of in Star Trek, the K'vort and B'rell class Klingon ships come to mind.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: 1) Agreed 2) Im fully aware of star treks issue with hull scaling, but this is a production issue. I was looking at the Yeagers design in terms of real world logic. It doesnt make sense for me for starfleet to build an overscaled raider

[@pakese30]

While those points are valid, the intrepid sa best quality is speed, it was never really envisioned to be doing patrols or anything. It was envisioned to be able to quickly get places, use the extensive science suites at its disposal and quickly return. Personally I felt it would have been better used in information gathering what with the speed and the sensor systems at their disposal. When you take into consideration that they are upscaling a significantly smaller ship, this means they would have to completely redesign the inside of that ship, creating decks etc it was never meant to have in order for it to work with the scaling of the pre-made Intrepid command hulls. When you only give it a cursory think you really only take in the eyesore of the outside but you need to think of the work that would need to be put in to be able to marry the power systems, computer core, warp drive etc. This would really have taken nearly as much time as finishing the full intrepid or using one of the other ships in fleet such as the excelsior.

[@OneTrekMind]

@@pakese30 I do take into account the internals too. Infact we will be doing our own lore videos for ships and such. Its another reason why i think the yeager is an awful design.

[@pakese30]

@@OneTrekMind I was talking more to the original commenters second point regarding the scaling of the Klingon ships rather than your own, the Birds of Prey having to retroactively be given lore about there being multiple sizes of the same class of ship due to the scaling seen on screen for instance has a similar problem though to a lesser degree. Either there has to be extra decks added or there is a lot of unused empty space. I think what makes the Yeager more problematic than these though is that this is meant to be essentially a fighter so smaller again than the Bird of Prey by around 40 meters I think, and while the Intrepid is on the smaller side it’s still a significant upscale. Then there’s the fact the Raider isn’t exactly a pretty ship in and of itself. I look forward to the upcoming videos and I’m glad to have found your channel.

[@OneTrekMind]

@@pakese30 Ah i get you ^^ no worries heh youtube is sometimes a bit unclear when it comes to multiple replies. And yeah the raider itself is so blocky. It really doesnt strike dme as a starfleet design at all

[@scottl9660]

For the Galaxy class a couple of things. If you want to have a detachable saucer it makes sense to stand that off from the secondary hill for collision avoidance, so you get a longer neck. If you want the nacelles above that saucer wit its giraffe neck your going to need quite long struts, which are pretty obvious weak points. If however you tuck the nacelles under the saucer you don’t need the super long struts neatly avoiding another problem with the design feature of having a detachable saucer.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Ah that is an interesting point actually. That being said the Connie was able to saucer detach and its nacelles were tall...

[@BNuts]

@@OneTrekMind Did it reattach after, though? On the tiny stem of a neck, it'd need a stardock for reassembly. Anyway, Sovereign and Odyssey also featured saucer separation, and then there's the Prometheus-class's Multi-Vector Assault Mode, every section of which became ugly. To me, the Sovy is still the most beautiful design. Took awhile for the Oddy, with its double-neck, to grow on me.

[@grahamcorr7644]

I'm agreeing with the Galaxy class critique. I've always thought that the saucer section was grossly overproportioned for the rest of it,and the nacelles were too stubby. Overall,the whole ship was just too big; about half that size would've been far better.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Agreed

[@poil8351]

i like the ambassador class more but it also had stubby warp nacelles and they were kind of oddly placed relative to the hull and it its delfector dish oh boy that thing looks very misappropriationed, the middle of the deflect seems to small and the outer part is way to big.

[@grahamcorr7644]

@@poil8351 Agreed. The Ambassadors' deflector dish was huge. Could probably deflect a runaway moon with it,and yes,the nacelles could've been stretched out a bit,but all in all,it's not a bad looking ship. I'm not sure if it was a kitbash or not,though.

[@poil8351]

@grahamcorr7644 the nacelles always seemed a tad too far back from the hull a bit strange especially when the galaxy class had its ones roughly in the middle. I don't think it was kitbashed i think it was a model made before they started kitbashing.

[@grahamcorr7644]

@@poil8351 I had to look up some images to refresh my memory. Yes,the nacelles are a little oddly placed,but I think if they were placed further forward,it'd make the whole ship look a bit stubby..unless they lengthened the nascelles to cancel that out,or angled the pylons back a little more sharply.

[@Bastion90]

I agree that the Universe and Yeager class ships are the two ugliest designs. My dishonourable mention would be the Crossfield class.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Yeah the Crossfield is pretty ugly but if we included Discovery designs then the whole video would be about them since they were all so ugly

[@Bastion90]

@@OneTrekMind Haha, you're not wrong.

[@Allegheny500]

EC Henry made a beautiful rendition of the Daedalus class.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: I love his work on the star wars stuff. I wish he did more trek things

[@tigdamch.6321]

Great discussion both of you! I Yeager has my vote. I seem to recall the reason for using the Condor class was its avaliability to be produced in civilian replicator shipyards but that might be another excuse for the poor thing! I've got to admit to a soft spot for the Daedalus class myself ^^;

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: im glad im not the only one with a soft spot for the Daedalous

[@OneTrekMind]

Michael: Y'all can enjoy your Daedalus but I will be seeking medical attention elsewhere lol

[@Blackheart7310]

The Daedalus and nebula classes are 2 of my favorites....but I agree with you in the Universe class and the kitbashed junk are the first 2 I thought of when you said ugliest ship. My dishonorable mention would be the future discovery. I HATE any design that has the nacelles floating in space and not connected to the ship.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: the detached nacelles thing was so dumb

[@joe9739]

Agree with Daedalus-class 100%. Take that crap to some random galaxy far, far away

[@charleshadle9376]

The main hull looks like a bottle of talcum/baby powder.

[@androidarts]

I actually agree about the Galaxy Class (and certainly J). There was something about the general design language, proportions and window textures made the Galaxy class feel a bit... fake whenever it was on screen. I guess I'm more of a TOS person so I don't like computer spline curves in general on Trek ships. Voyager/Intrepid is not a favourite either. I know they used models but with the windows stretched on the saucer slopes there's this nagging 90s CGI projected texture vibe that breaks the realism usually provided by models. And yeah, nacelle line of sight sitting under the saucer makes it look a bit staggered/unbalanced.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: i personally like the Intrepid, although i do think she looks better when the nacelles are up

[@RobertBenson-if8cy]

One thing you guys are forgetting about the galaxy class, the galaxy class was designed to deliberately break into two separate sections. The saucer section was to be a lifeboat type while the stardrive section was to be the main combat unit. with more than half of the ships mass removed, the battle/stardrive section becomes more maneuverable and has more combat potential with the additional phaser strips mounted on the connector section. See the Episode ""Encounter at Farpoint". BTW, in the same episode, I think, is where we are told the stardrive/battle section naming.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: No we didnt forget that bit. I would point out that in my eyes, the engineering section doesnt have any more or less weapons than the whole ship put together. I would also point out that if it was true that the galaxy was better at fighting when split in half, then all the Dominion War battles we see in DS9 should have seperated galaxy class ships no? We considered the ships as whole complete units.

[@ilejovcevski79]

It's good at times to see i'm not the only one that doesn't find the Galaxy all that aesthetically pleasing. Would i rate it as the ugliest Fed or even TNG ship? No. But it would definitely sit well in the lower half of the bunch. I think its main flaw is that they tried to convey size on a 4:3 ratio screen, and that made the ship bloated on more modern displays. As to what would be ugliest, that badge of honor would have to go to the Freedom class. Even for a kitbash, that design is just so lazy and visually disbalanced, it feels like it's gonna flip over every minute!

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Oh yeah the Freedom is just as bad. I find a lot of single nacelle ships badly proportioned tbh.

[@armagonarmagon3980]

This is a hard question. For me personally? Single least appealing ship is the Yeager Class. I’m all for kitbashing, but it just feels too weird. Single least appealing era of design? Discovery, such as with the Walker Class. Too many bulky, ill-fitting hull plates/protrusions, with the square nacelles just not looking right. Honestly feels like a step backwards from the NX class. Probably gonna ignite a flame war with this lol, but favorite design lineage? Shangri-La or Constitution III, both made canon/invented for PIC S3. Just a really aggressive design that looks amazing. The Shangri-La almost feels like what a TMP-era Sovereign would be, in terms of proportions and role.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: ohhhh yeah...i reserve a place in hell for Picard season 3 and i really dont like the Titan A. More because it really doesnt feel like a 'refit' at all

[@OneTrekMind]

Michael: I adore the Constitution III class!

[@basosz]

I recently had to google the Curry class. While I don't think that has been on screen... whoever designed that should be severely punished!

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Its shown briefly onscreen in an episode of DS9 as part of a fleet of damaged ships retreating from the Dominion. Its only seen for a short time but it is there heh. Ive always liked the Curry Class but i know Michael didnt.

[@GiftofChaos]

I personally love the Curry class. It feels like a useful fleet mate to the Excelsior class.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Agreed i love the curry class.

[@90lancaster]

I'd say 1. The Archer Class from Strange New Worlds 2. The USS Hiawatha 3. The USS Curry 4. The Grissom 5. The USS Buran (from Wolf 359) 6. The USS Bonadventura from TAS 7. The Aqua Shuttle from TAS 9. The USS Shran from TBOTBS 10. Vulcan Space craft seen briefly in DS9 or the Discovery "School Bus shuttle" from Picard.

[@Endigo_Vandane]

I can't stand the Akira class. The underside of the saucer has half a secondary hull blended into it. Those support beams flaring outward as soon as they pass the back of the saucer which then connect to the pylons that go even further out, finally ending with the engines way to far away from the rest of the ship. I have no idea why people like it so much. Give me a Steamrunner instead. It's by no means my favourite, but at least it's nice and compact.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: well thats certainly a....brave opinion ^^.

[@OneTrekMind]

Michael: I'm shocked...absolutely love the Akira class

[@jankjason]

Daedalus looks like a ship closer to our era of tech honestly.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: It does. I personally like a lot of the redesigns, with the NX era Daedalus from the AoTF mod for SoSE the best

[@ellarussell2690]

I agree with the galaxy class. It has always looked awkward and out of place to me.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Yeah i dont think its 'ugly' ugly...but the proportions do feel a bit weird to me

[@JohnFinzel]

Battlestar Galactica's (the reimagined series with Edward James Olmos) Cylons also had organic ships.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Indeed. Me and Michael finished watching that recently

[@cliffthedroid1663]

We, the people... love the Enterprise -D (see what I did there? ...cough...TOS The Omega Glory ) Plus the designer Andy Probert, wished me a happy Birthday once. No seriously. The engines of the Galaxy class are placed below the saucer, is an engineering decision. According to the original designer of the Galaxy Class Andy Probert, the classic constitution class has the engines in the wrong place. There present position, above the saucer is an engineering error. So Andy Probert places the engines bellow the saucer so that, from an engineering prospective it causes allot less stress and the ship can fly. True story.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Well that is strange considering the TOS rules of starship design by Gene himself stated the nacelles had to be inline above the saucer...but regardless of the reasons, i honestly think the galaxy would have looked better if the nacelles were positioned higher up.

[@Mikerille]

The uss kelvin is by far one of the BEST designs. Period. Same with the NX-01. But I agree, while the galaxy class was fun to see actually do damage in ds9, it always seemed so oddly proportioned for no reason

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Oh? What makes the Kelvin best for you?

[@Mikerille]

@@OneTrekMind I used to play legacy with my dad early onto finding Star Trek, and I always used the Saladin class in skirmishes, as well as the one ship which is practically the kelvin 1:1 (just the top nacelle is the same length as the bottom) and it was so awesome, so that first 1 min of the 2009 Star Trek alone with those sweeping shots of the kelvin, is beyond every other ship for me, I worked for a loooooong time to get it in STO as well, and oh boy was it worth it, the phasers, the mini rapid fire blue photons, they’re awesome

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Interesting. I too played a lot of legacy and i liked the Akula most from that. As far as STO goes i prefer ships with lots of refit options (we will be doing videos on some those in future actually ^^)

[@johnnycash5858]

The Kelvin was ass. You wanna go after the D because of "odd proportions," yet think the Kelvin was the BEST design? EVERYTHING in the Kelvinverse had F'd up proportions.

[@chrisserfass8635]

The warp nacelles of the Enterprise D would be the heavies parts of any Starship.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Well compared to the rest of the ship i doubt that. The saucer section itself would weigh a lot more

[@Davey-TheDJ]

Michael I totally agree with ya there the universe class looks like a cheese pizza flatter than a pancake my favorite to actually three are the Galaxy class the Intrepid class and the Enterprise C don't remember the name of that class vessel. Oh yea I don't like the NX Enterprise that one looks like a pizza with toppings on it

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: The Ambassador class is the one you were looking for there

[@OneTrekMind]

Michael: The universe really does look like a pizza with legs

[@mafuletrekkie]

I love the Yeager and would love to see a show where they pull it out of mothball to restart the "five year mission" program at the behest of the Federation Council because the leadership of Starfleet doesn't want to "waste" a better ship on the mission.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: interesting. Any particular reason that you love it?

[@mafuletrekkie]

@@OneTrekMind I love the idea of a ship in Star Fleet existing not because Star Fleet wanted it but because they needed it. No one would have designed a ship like this if it weren't war time and they needed something, anything, to just be in space and holding the line. It also just has character that a lot of the "cleaner" Federation vessels often lack. It almost certainly has more quirks than that guy who lives in the woods and plays a violin all day but I'll be damned if it doesn't work anyway.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: See i do usually like quirky ship designs that are not in line with standard starfleet designs. The yeager for me just takes it a little too far.

[@mafuletrekkie]

@@OneTrekMind Fair. I can totally see the crew members assigned to it putting their heads in their hands when they see it... and three years later being willing to start a bar brawl against anyone who bad mouthed it in their presence :P

[@kailimyee7253]

Honestly, regarding the Universe Class, get rid of the Circular Element of the "Saucer" section and just keep the spine. Sure it'll look somewhat Klingon-like, but still looks better.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Interesting idea. Would be a really spindly boy

[@nurseactual]

My favorite ship was the Connie class refit. Sorry, its just amazing to look at.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: this was about ugly ships though not best ones?

[@nurseactual]

Sorry, I kinda gave an example of both.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: No worries

[@roopgill8524]

Thank you for this. I grew up in the 70s with Star Trek and have always been drawn to the ships. Everything after Nemesis has started to look like crap. Everything. Not including some fan concepts which have been cool. But it's all gone downhill especially with Discovery ships. The only decent one post Nemesis was the Discovery Enterprise which was really cool. I totally agree with this video.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Yeah i agree that a lot of Discovery's designs were very bad, especially the 32nd century ships (Honest to god those detached nacelles were so dumb)

[@roopgill8524]

@@OneTrekMind Right?

[@OneTrekMind]

Michael: I did like the Titan refit (even if calling it a refit is quite a stretch) as well as the Cerritos, but can agree Discovery had some very questionable design choices on a lot if not all of their ships

[@roopgill8524]

@@OneTrekMind Oooo, respectfully, I was completely put off by the Cerritos, and only had one bit problem with the Titan. I needed a fully rounded saucer section. Otherwise I was pretty cool with it. Perhaps petty, but just can't get around it.

[@peterkordziel7047]

I love the Daedalus class in it's original form. Matt Jefferies,... Anything He drew is canon. . Tale into account those fragile cans are a hundred years older than the connies(as they appeared in The Cage onwards) and, yeah , they're hidious. But from a storyteller's point of view , you're supposed to look at them as antiques. ( Take note, I'm a founding member of a school of thought on ST that , for one thing, does not include ST Enterprise as canon material- we call ourselves "Trek Orthodox" . I would've felt "Enterprise" should have had a nice subtle "Forbidden Planet"vibe. Kinda the way "The Cage" did.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Well you can claim Enterprise isnt Canon but that isnt how we roll here sorry.

[@peterkordziel7047]

Understood, and respected. As to the show, Enterprise is done in masterful style, and I enjoy it. It's just that I find it distracting when they ignore previously established facts. The Klingons did not have "Birds of Prey" until 2266 or so, when they received them from the Romulans during their brief alliance. You can tell by looking at the one built for ST III that it's obviously Romulan, it was even supposed to be in the dialogue of STIII that those Klingons stole that ship from the Romulans, to go after Genesis, but it was accidentally ommited.

[@OneTrekMind]

@@peterkordziel7047 Raptor: true however the whole romulan bird of prey thing im not 100% on. My issue is that if you look at a Klingon BOP, the overall design queues are identical to the D7. The distinctive head with torpedo launcher, the thin neck, wide rear section and main wepaons on the arms lower down to create a triangle of fire with the torpedo tube. In my eyes the BOP makes more sense as a klingon deisgn than a romulan one. Just my head canon as im fully aware of the omitted lore for the BOP i just dont think it makes sense.

[@Weirdoid]

Oberth always seemed ugly to me with its hull and saucer divided by the nacelles.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: The oberth isnt graceful i'll give it that, but i dont think its ugly just...not good looking.

[@OneTrekMind]

Michael: I'm with them Raptor, I think the Oberth is rather ugly

[@alanfox1222]

If you want to kitbash the Yeager class you also have to have a runabout for one of the back pieces.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: that wasnt mentioned in the info i have interesting

[@nurseactual]

Im probably wrong, but at this time Im saying Oberth class. The first time I saw one I thought wtf?.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: yeah the oberth is ceratinly a weird design but thats kinda why i like it

[@nurseactual]

@@OneTrekMind well, to each his own😊

[@jpotter2086]

The Universe class is indeed 'grown' .... it's a refined crystalline entity. Yeager class looks like a Transformer.

[@mjbull5156]

The Oberth Class. Not only ugly, but how does that even work? The only way to the secondary hull is to pass next to the warp engines. Why did we put the engines way out there in the first place?

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: I mean...where else you gunna put em lol

[@stevec3543]

The Enterprise J was seen in a *potential* future, just like the three-nacelle Enterprise D in "All Good Things..." It never came to be in the prime timeline.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Its sitll ugly either way

[@thomasjoychild4962]

@@OneTrekMind It's the worst combination of the worst permutations of each element of the Starfleet design language, IMO. IIRC it's literally meant to be a mobile starbase, so yes it does have a crew in the 10,000s.

[@OneTrekMind]

Michael: Did they ever expressly say that was just a potential future and not one that did happen? And if I have to look at it all over the place in STO then I reserve the right to badmouth it

[@thomasjoychild4962]

@@OneTrekMind Far as I can tell, the battle of Procyon V always happens in some permutation or another. It's the decider and the temporal cold war seems to have a large component of each side trying to set themselves up better or sabotage their enemies' preparation for the "next" iteration of it. If STO is to be believed (and STO has not been contradicted by any televised works on this point), the 1701-J, Universe class, is crucial to victory for people who don't want the galaxy turned into a giant Delphic Expanse. (It's the only ship we've got that can use the Tox Uthat correctly/powerfully enough to collapse the sphere network, apparently). Daniels was pretty adamant to Archer that the events he was giving Archer a sneak peak of in the battle NEEDED to happen, IIRC. It's a shame, because the other two 26th century temporal dreadnaughts, which the devs got to design from scratch, are IMO really nice designs that fit the existing design language of the Klingon and Romulan factions (with the caveat of being absolutely colossal and unwieldy to actually fly in missions/TFOs) but for the Starfleet one they were stuck with the random pizza cutter that Doug Drexler banged out on 48 hours notice without clear info on what the design was FOR.

[@BradenENelson]

Discovery, but not for her exterior ... ... the physics-bending CAVERNOUS open spaces INSIDE, as shown in the silly turbolifts running in bendy-straw "shafts". Specifically, part of some REALLY good episodes of Trek that take place in a turbolift or shaft (TNG "Disaster", DS9 "Shakar", VOY "Year of Hell"), was the claustrophobia.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Oh i hated that scene in Disco...

[@BradenENelson]

@@OneTrekMind And it's a direct ripoff of the Total Recall 2012 remake. And remember Picard and the kids slowly extracating themselves into the turbolift shaft, then slowly climbing the ladder up. These days, they'd have the kids platforming up and down and side to side like Mario on forcefields and holo-projections or whatever. Part of what makes the TNG scene great AND suspenseful, is the silence and darkness of an empty turboshaft.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: oh god dont give the new producers those sorts of ideas

[@robertkreutzer4107]

any ship from Discovery, particularly after the jump to the future. The ships with nacelles that are not attached to the hull are the worst. Just a silly idea - like a spore drive...

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Yeah the detached nacelles were probably one of the biggest things i didnt like

[@davidmccracken4308]

The universe class is a colonization ship

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Where does that come from? I havent been able to find anything that states that

[@jeremycaufield8605]

Never liked the Galaxy class, I prefer the Ambassador class.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Honestly surprised at folks agreeing with me heh

[@surferdude4487]

You must be fairly new. New subscriber here.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: We are! Started back in Febuary time heh so thanks for the new subscribe

[@OneTrekMind]

Michael: I with you I like the Odyssey

[@SoloWing88]

THe Galaxy Class started my liking of non brick spaceships, and lead me to osne of my favorite Space Ships in Fiction, the Archangel Class from Gundam seed. But yeah it does feel more "We need to squeeze more internal volume than should be nessesary. I think EC henry had a video showing how few people are on the ship compared to the size if it.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Indeed he did. Its reallyt strange just how much internal volume it has. It strikes me the ship would work better as a colony transport, especiallywith those huge shuttlebays and such.

[@SoloWing88]

@@OneTrekMind if fighter and carrier combat was more of a thing in trek I'd day they could make decent supercarriers. But fighting ships tend to be physically small until super future or something?

[@OneTrekMind]

@@SoloWing88 I mean ive always assumed that by the time of the Dominion War, the Galaxy Class was the carrier for all those little Periguine fighters that were part of fleets. I persoanally dont mind that Star Trek goes for a more ship on ship dog fighting appraoch to its combat, since it makes it distinctive from Star Wars and BSGs big carrier / broadside ship combat.

[@SoloWing88]

@@OneTrekMind WOuld oddly fit in a GUndam style main ship motif that no western property has attempted. I'd watch the Voyages of the Star Ship Ra Cailum

[@mirrorebutuoykcuf]

Without a doubt, the U.S.S. Your Mom 😅

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Classic

[@OneTrekMind]

Michael: Got em

[@frank3508]

For me it's the Intrepid class / Voyager, hands down. It reminds me of the love child of a frog and a toadstool that got run over by a bus. Ugh.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: ooooh interesting choice

[@OneTrekMind]

Michael: I've never been so offended in my life

[@b003]

Agree 1000%, but Nebulas rule!

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: See i love the Nebula class heh

[@poil8351]

the only issue with nebula is some of the models had rather ugly versions of the tactical pod thingy.

[@rwarrior2542]

The Excelsior hands down. Unless you are going to include Discovery pancake ships. lol

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Yeah i basically ignored Discovery here because basically all their ships would be in here for me.

[@scottishadonis]

The Curry class, it’s an insult to Curry!

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: i do love a good curry myself

[@Peaceforall20111]

So I love the galaxy but I can’t argue with your complaints about it; I surrender its ugly based on the criteria u mentioned I’m lucky I have nostalgia

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: I think all trek fans have a nostalgic mindset about certain things.

[@Peaceforall20111]

@@OneTrekMind very very true, unfortunately some can’t seperste their nostalgia from logic; Vulcans would be so disgusted 😆😆

[@OneTrekMind]

@@Peaceforall20111 Me and michael got a lot of hatred for putting Captain Kirk low on our captains ranking list mostly due to nostalgia

[@Peaceforall20111]

@@OneTrekMind it’s ALWAYS nostalgia. That’s why I liked your guises channel is that you’re more logical? You’re willing to take whatever your criteria is and based your argument around it, not based on just what you like or what do you prefer? Your authenticity is what makes your channel awesome

[@OneTrekMind]

@@Peaceforall20111 Well thank you for your kinds words dude. We will keep on with that going forwards ^^

[@Zer0x1184]

What about the Toilet ships from Discovery 32nd Century? One looks like the toilet (Jubayr Class) itself, and the other looks like it could attach as the toilet seat (Annan Class) lol.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: oh no im never gunna unsee that now...lol

[@OneTrekMind]

Michael: ....wow it really does

[@indetigersscifireview4360]

I would say the Daedalus is ugly by intention. It's so early in the history of the United Earth Space Probe Agency that those designers haven't figured out the geometry best suited for star flight. That it can achieve faster than light speeds is all that matters. I would have said that the Galaxy class is the ugliest ship in Star Trek but then Discovery came along and gave us the Crossfield class. You talk about being reminded of Star Wars! The Discovery is straight out of the Star Wars universe. So the Crossfield class edges out the Galaxy class for that reason. Three small changes to the Galaxy class would make it so much prettier. 1)Turn the nacelles around so that the front becomes the back. 2) Make the nacelle struts tall enough so that the nacelles sit slightly higher than the saucer. 3)Make the nacelles a similar length to the saucer. Those small changes would make the ship so much more balanced. And therefore more attractive.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: I really dont like the crossfield class either haha. And yeah i get what you mean about the Galaxy. Turning the nacelles around is an inspired idea, so you get that nice tapering towards the back.

[@afoolandhismoneychannel]

Galaxy and Nebula... 🤢 ... I'm glad that I have finally found someone who agrees that the wider-than-long saucer is a terrible style choice.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Honestly i was so nervous when i suggested it. Me and Michael assumed the galaxy would be beloved but ive been really surprised how many folks agree.

[@Peaceforall20111]

I will say I like the look of the Yeager and I get like what you said about having half complete ships to me that makes sense that they might have half completed intrepids because those parts were separate from the warp engines. However, I do not understand how they were able to fit it to a condor like magic. The whole logic of how the Yeager was created is that they had leftover parts of each of these shifts that the condo is not normally that size so the logic doesn’t make sense to me

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Indeed plus why would you build an intrepid command hill alone? Its not like it has saucer seperation so...

[@Peaceforall20111]

@@OneTrekMind I get your reason, but I think it kind of makes sense because think about it the secondary hall is where all the warp systems are in the primary hall is more just internal volume so I would think that it’s a lot easier to build that part than the engines so when they had to set up to build that part they do I do think the fact that there were so many of them is kind of ridiculous, but there was like one or two I could kinda understand, but the fact that the condor is such such a different scale makes a whole thing even more ridiculous if it was the same size, I would buy it but the fact that they just came up a ship I mean if they could do that, why haven’t they done with anything else?

[@OneTrekMind]

@@Peaceforall20111 I mean i generally have a fondness for ugly ships. One of my favourites is the Chariot Class which ive always seen as a sort of mobile starbase like vessel. Im also soft hearted for the Oberth and the Niagra Class...but the Yeager...just gross on so many levels.

[@Peaceforall20111]

@@OneTrekMind I love the chariot. I love triangulum story. I would love to see what that ship looked like in the inside. I am waiting for vr tech to become so versitile we can build these environments easily.

[@pakese30]

Maybe it’s partly down to the D being my Enterprise, though my dad introduced me to TOS, it’s the Enterprise I grew up with but it’s definitely near my top 5 ships and top 3 Enterprises, it should be obvious as that’s the design I did for my profile pic. I also really love the Nebula and its variants, they were clearly meant evoke the Miranda of the TMP era and did so well. If I’m sticking purely to only ships seen onscreen and from what most consider the Prime Universe I would say my least favourite has to be the Defiant, I liked it for the story it told but it’s essentially a frisby with guns and no one can decide what the hell the front of it is. Is it for docking? Is it a detachable warhead (as I’ve heard in some areas)? I know they gave up on the whole needing sight to sight between the impulse engines, but at the power this thing is meant to give off the idea any of these characters were having children is ridiculous. My favourite ship will always be a fight between the Excelsior Refit Enterprise B (I’ve loved the Excelsior since the TMP era) and the Sovereign Enterprise E. I wish to god we got more TNG movies no thanks to the director of Nemesis who never bothered to watch a bloody episode on TNG nor the TNG movies and refused to listen when actors like Marina Sirtis and others explained their characters would not do what he was having them do. Also how many times did they have to SA Deanna Troi? Oh! She’s not been in a few episodes and she told the captain the bad guy was lying last time… I know why don’t we have her get mentally SA or physically assaulted, or inseminated by a speck of light… instead of, I dunno using the brains you originally wrote into the character leading to her becoming a freaking Commander! Sorry rant over.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Oh i get you. TNG was my first star trek too, but i always felt the Galaxy was not as good looking as it could be. I also get why some folks dont like the Defiant much, it is a very...untrekkie?...starship. That being said I do think some folks are too in love with the original design principles that GR laid down, and that we have gotten some great vessels that dont obey those rules since like the Intrepid Class

[@pakese30]

@@OneTrekMind I definitely agree with you, I think while GR did make those rules it did mean that further ship designs were restricted significantly because of it, and while the Defiant is not my fave along with my feelings about exactly how dangerous something so powerful being so close to the crew could be dangerous I am glad they chose to drop that hard and fast rule in general. I think that if the D had even stuck with the fully circular saucer section it would have helped, it’s one of the Aspects of the New Ross Class that I think really works but I would assume that because it was a new show and a new Enterprise part of it was to step away from some of the design cues we were used to.

[@OneTrekMind]

@@pakese30 Raptor: Indeed. Personally ive always really liked Proberst Ambassador, and personally I think that suits better as a Enterprise C or even D than the canon ones do. As for STO ships, a lot of them would be on my ugly lists since some of them are gross but the Ross Class, as a Sovereign styled Galaxy refit is really pretty and a lot prettier than the basic galaxy. I think a lot of it has to do with the engineering hull. The Ross Class hull being a bit chunkier just balances the design better than that very small manta ray shapped original

[@pakese30]

@@OneTrekMind oh god yes, some of the STO designs are unbelievably ugly. I know they are trying to increase the limited amount of ship designs we have from the shows but some of them I just don’t understand how they got okayed for use. I actually use the available Probert design on my Ambassador Class when I’m flying it.

[@OneTrekMind]

@@pakese30 What do yo uthink is the ugliest STO dresign?

[@nicholasgarratt5646]

Bizzare reasons for not liking the J. Those Nacelles are not thin when the ship is so large. Also technology would advance so they would be extremely well bult and not at all flimsy. The J has cities inside it and have colonies. The Galaxy class is based on cruise ships so that is why it is shaped like that. The Yeager class was no more than a kitbash ship in the far background of DS9 that was just going to be a different shape to other ships. Too many Excelsior and Miranda class ships were being re-used. Many more to choose from such as the USS Curry and the Raging Queen (Both seen in DS9). They are kitbashes of the Excelsior class without a neck.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: The Yeager is still very ugly regardless, and the J might be a futuristic ship...doesnt mean that it isnt oversized and those nacelles are way too spindly for its size. They are out of proportion.

[@OneTrekMind]

Michael: Proportionally those nacelles are microscopically thin in my opinion. And why on earth do you want whole cities and colonies on the ship that's going on away missions into potentially dangerous territory? I truly don't understand the purpose of the ship or like the design on it.

[@gawainethefirst]

Anything with one nacelle.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Single nacelle ships certainly do generally look pretty gross

[@Thurgosh_OG]

Enterprise J crew size is supposed to be just over 700! That's an awful lot of empty ship there. For comparison - WWII Battleships had some crews of over 3,300. Modern Aircraft carriers can get to 5,000.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Being a Historian you dont need to tell me about battleship crews heh. I agree that a crew of just 700 would be rediculous for a ship that large, unless you had huge numbers of holographic crew

[@DaiAtlus79]

the name Condor class isnt canon, was only used in the trading card game.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: I'm aware that the name comes from expanded canon. I just dont like constantly calling it a maquis raider as it infers they built it.

[@Treestorm]

Oh easy, the oberst. Vibrator ship!

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: You mean Oberth?

[@OneTrekMind]

Michael: It does look pretty awful

[@StarTrekDoor]

The U.S.S Pizza Cutter in Star Trek Discovery is interesting but not my favourite.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: What is your favourite?

[@StarTrekDoor]

​@@OneTrekMindHello there, Raptor. There's so many. I can't pick just one and my opinions change over time. I I could probably pick 3. I love the constitution class because it's very easy to draw from memory (2 rectangles next to each other, 1 rectangle in the middle underneath them, then join them up with diagonal lines. It was the first Enterprise. The second one is the Galaxy class. I can't draw it properly from memory but there's something about it. The third one is Dr Crusher's medical ship in 'All Good things'.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: ah the Pasteur class? Thats an interesting pick.

[@CYCO1631]

Any shuttlecraft the Enterprise D had.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Oh man some of those shuttles were so ugly. Maybe we should do a video on shuttlecraft specially

[@Race353]

I agree with both of their choices - ESPECIALLY the Fugly Nebula-class. However, if I had to choose the absolute POS - the Jar Jar Abrams $h1t Trek - Discovery. Donut ring saucer section is pure vomit.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: aww those poor nebulas

[@TheHortoncrow]

Just started the video, but I swear to god if you say the Olympic class..... People lile to shit on my little spheroid.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: haha i know michael prefers the olympic to the daedalous

[@Sixu83]

Galaxy class is beautiful! ❤

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Just not as beautiful as some others hehe

[@celiovicenteribeirofilho9740]

Discovery universe and Abram universe. Abortive ships. Except for the Walker Class. This model at least looks like a United Federation of Planets Starfleet ship.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: yeah the walker isnt too bad

[@kutter005]

You had me until you said the Odyssey was under the galaxy, but yeah the galaxy has always been ugly to me

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: I really dont like the oddy lol. The split neck thing annoys me, I think its too big, too chunky and the Transporter Bay on the bridge? Thats a huge security hazard

[@LostInTheFarmersMarket]

I never understood the love of the galaxy class, its a ship that looks completely out of place in the lineage its supposed to be in. Its ugly in a oops we shoulda had more oversight on the project kind of way. Likewise I refer to the Universe Class as the Sadist Pizza Cutter for good reason.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: HAHAH! The sadist pizza cutter...i love that!

[@LostInTheFarmersMarket]

@@OneTrekMind Glad you like, but be careful calling it that in STO. The Universe gang gets really mad when you call it that. :D

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Well they will get more made when i do the video looking at STOs designs and how FUGLY so many are

[@LostInTheFarmersMarket]

@@OneTrekMind Yeah, starfleet dropped the ball on nice looking designs a lot. I'm still trying to figure out what the heck they were doing with the weird three-nacelle ambassador variant.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: i oddly like the Niagra tbh

[@edwincj4102]

There's nothing wrong with the Daedalus Class 😢😮

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: i know right...so cruel hehe

[@OneTrekMind]

Michael: Beach ball attached to a spray can

[@diogocatalano9557]

The ships in the Discovery series are all equally ridiculous and abominable. The Enterprise G and JJprise are also in the ranking of the worst... today's designers don't know how to create elegant ships anymore.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Im not a big fan of the Ent G / Titan 'refit'. Michael loves it but i really dont like the huge impulse engine block

[@scifiguy26]

The towing ship( whatever it's called) it was seen in a episode of deep space nine towing a damaged Excelsior class with a tractor beam it was another kit bash monstrosity honorable mention the JJ prize 👎🏾

[@OneTrekMind]

raptor: oh yeah the tugs were pretty ugly

[@toddkurzbard]

I disagree with 3 of these, especially with the DAEDALUS. All 3 to me are unique and "different" designs far removed from the usual starship we see. The one I DO agree on, is the GALAXY class; I have NEVER liked her looks from the outside, with the too-big saucer section, and those HORRIBLE nacelle struts. Mostly the nacelle struts, coming straight out of the hull, and then angling 90 degrees upward. UGLY.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: I do agree that very different designs is a good thing. I personally like the Oberth for example and I like the Daedalous too, atleast the fan redesigns of it.

[@jaredcolon4535]

Will the Daedalus is not a federation Starfleet vessel Daedalus belong to the United Earth Starfleet

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: vessels of this type were in service up to the late 2190s, which would make them Federation vesels given the formation of the Federation was 2161, also we did say 'starfleets' ugliest ship...

[@angelohernandez6060]

By far fugliest starship is the Excelsior. Looks like a giant ironing board. Even Scotty thought it was a turd. And he is unquestionably the expert here. The Grissom is next in line. Universe class...blegh! Yep! Dadalaus class might be tied with Excelsior as ugliest. And I agree about the Galaxy class. I think it's the forward sweeping nacelles. And when the saucer section is separated the battle section becomes the ugliest.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: I thought the excelsiour was alright. What i didnt like about it was the boring nacelles.

[@Theottselmaster]

Yeager class is a monstrosity...

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Agreed

[@Dan19870]

If this list were to include vessels from the games and beta cannon I'd have to say the Niagara class. Why, just why would someone place a warp nacelle BELOW the secondary hull. As for ships that are cannon I'd have to go for the Lantree variant of the Miranda class, as it's been declawed with most of it's weapons array on the 'roll bar' removed.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: I have a soft spot for the Niagra, as much as i know it breaks the basic rules for warp drive. The lantree i wouldnt say is ugly just a bit basic

[@peterkordziel7047]

Niagara class ships are canon. No two ways about it. Wolf 359. Even actually seen in the aftermath. Quite a few readouts as Data speed-read, too.😊

[@peterkordziel7047]

Niagara class are canon. So maybe that's not an actual nacelle. Mono-nacelled ship's aren't really. They have a split field coil,but a single Bussard ramscoop. So they're canon, too.😊

[@raya7816]

your right it should never be made

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: in referance to the Yeager?

[@johnnycash5858]

Everything from season 3 on of Discovery. Those 31st century monstrosities were complete shite.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Agreed. They looked like apple products

[@daviddyster4145]

My ugliest ship of Star Trek is the Walker Class.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: I defon think that Discoverys 22nd century designs were also very poor. Those big square nacelles just really dont feel very TOS to me. Seeing the Constitution class next to them really makes the designs werider

[@daviddyster4145]

@@OneTrekMind Glad you agree, Discover was a poorly made show.

[@nnfffirebird]

I love Galaxy class how dare you saw she's ugly!

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Not ugly per say just...oddly proportioned ^^

[@esecallum]

its not the Enterprise without the neck.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: not a fan of the NX, ENT E then?

[@JungLeeTheDoctor]

starfleet ships all look strange and ungainly

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: ohhh thats a brave opinion heh. What would you say is the best looking ship in trek then?

[@JungLeeTheDoctor]

@@OneTrekMind Probably the andorian cruiser…

[@OneTrekMind]

@@JungLeeTheDoctor ohhh the Kumari is a nice design

[@JungLeeTheDoctor]

@@OneTrekMind 😇

[@robbiedean2006]

Uss discovery end of discussion

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Yeah the crossfield / planet of titans design is just not very nice

[@OneTrekMind]

Michael: I personally think there are plenty of designs worse than Discovery, but it's still fairly low on the list.

[@Copelion]

It is of course the ugly Appleprise from J.J. Abrams. I almost left the cinema because of the design. 🤮 BTW.: I like the Excelsior, Constitution Refit and Galaxy/Nebula best.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: oh Jar Jars enterprise is not one of my favs. I think its really ugly

[@keithwiggins3131]

I disagree with the galaxy class being ugly.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: Yeah i know that was probably a controversial opinion. What is your ugliest?

[@keithwiggins3131]

​@@OneTrekMindyeager class after seeing it a second time I don't know what they were thinking.

[@EricFeldmann]

t oberth class

[@DeltaVTX]

Enterprise B

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: oh really? not a fan of the excelsiour class or is it just the refit?

[@pdbouie]

Galaxy was ugly, but the Nebula was sic it look a warship, but they chumped it. Thank goodness it was a Curry, that ship was fugly

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: I like the nebula myself

[@hudsonball4702]

"The universe class is too big for it's own good! that's why it's Ugly!" It's also 200 year into the future from TNG and is a multi-generational Colony ship. Hence why it's much bigger. The ugliest Ship for me seen in canon is the Discovery. Not only is it the worse ship ever designed it's also from the worst Star Trek ever made.

[@karlwood6832]

The USS intrepid of of season 3 of picard

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: oh that one with the weird growth under it...it reminds me of a ship i first saw in ST: Legacy game, the Akula (which was an Akyzai with a arm on the bottom with a phaser on)

[@OneTrekMind]

Michael: Didn't hate that one but didn't love it either

[@TheRezro]

I see a lot of delusional bias in this topic. So I would talk about actual stuff. So Beta and Gamma canons have a lot of abominable designs! But looking purely on canon Starfleet designs. No, it isn't Oberth. Without that ugly gondola and there are implications that it was swapable service module. It is actually quite good ship. The real stinker is of course the Curry. Like there is no worst abomination then that ship!

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: you think the Curry Class is worse than say...the Hermes or Saladin?

[@TheRezro]

@@OneTrekMind Until you hate one nacelle designs in principle. They are just that. And no. It doesn't break Roddenberry rule because you did have two coils placed parallel in the same column. Yes. It was not as efficient as conventional solution, but those are meant to be cheap short range ships. While Curry is basically a Excelsior. But for some bizarre reasons massive gondola, what never meant to be used like that. Is pushed between nacelles, sticking weirdly forward the ship. Like why? I know it was meant to be a carrier. But this design make no sense and look horribly! And no. Excelsior Miranda argument do not make sense. If it wouldn't have this misplaced gondola it would be quite decent. But as it is, it is a crime of Trek design.

[@TheRezro]

@@OneTrekMind Also another issue is that parts from which Curry was made technically do have different scale. Enterprise class was notably smaller then the Excelsior. Yet, you have its could on weird misshaped Excelsior. Meanwhile design of Hermes line make absolutely sense! 2030's were fertile period in Starfleet design, because after incident with Klingons they find out that they ships are vilely inadequate for combat. Hermes using prototype of early Conie saucer (or derivative of older Bonaventure one). Was meant to be cheap scout. When Constitution was introduced, Saladin was introduced as cheaper destroyer version. Easier to mass produce and used for regional defense. Later Federation switch to more capable Miranda. Though line actually did continued with introduction of Akula refit. What did have two nacelles placed in way similar to older Apollo. Though Apollo was much larger surveyor, derivative probably from Einstein class aka Kelvin. In Beta canon there is distinct line of its derivatives. Like really cool Wilkerson class. Used primarily as regional defense ships. Line in fact did continued with Freedom and Challenger of Wolf 359 fame. Though those are much larger ships, from Lost Era jumbo revolution. Wilkerson itself was most likely replaced by Centaur.

[@doctordetroit1217]

The Enterprise -D ugliest most useless ship and useless crew in Starfleet, and the Discovery (Crossfield class) is also butt ugly!

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: lol ouch for the enterprise D

[@marcsmart2820]

Angry comment: what is the hate for the enterprise f class i love the class it my not be my favourite but it's up there. And why no hatred for the curry class 🤮🤮

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: haha ok so my bug bears with the oddessy ill explain for you here: 1) Its way too big and ungainly compared to the Enterprise E and doesnt fit in with the design ethos that all the others show 2) the split neck is a terriable idea and represents an obvious weakpoint 3) The ships bridge has a transporter at the rear which is a terriable security risk (Im aware this is only presented in STO, however since the ship itself is an STO design, the bridge must be therefore the same)

[@OneTrekMind]

Michael: I happen to like the Enterprise F with the split neck and overall sovereigny shape

[@emperorofscelnar8443]

The CrossField Class is a ugly design and I do agree with you on the Galaxy Class, the neck structure is too tall, the saucer is to thick plus massive and it basically looks unbalanced

[@emperorofscelnar8443]

I also don’t like the nose cone above the deflector on the Neo Constitution Class and the saucer is too retro and weird looking on the Neo Constitution Class. Ships I hate the CrossField Class, the Neo Constitution Class, the Universe Class and every 32nd century ship, I hate those detached nacelles.

[@emperorofscelnar8443]

Oh yeah I also hate the Daedalus Class, it is like putting a ball on a farms silo, but the silo is on it’s side.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: im not a fan of the 'titan REFIT' either...i know Michael loves it ^^

[@emperorofscelnar8443]

@@OneTrekMind I hate the refit of the CrossField Class it is like their trying to ripoff Tron, also when the power goes out those nacelles are going to float away, we’re better off having our ships in one piece. With 32nd century ships it is like engineers quit half way though the building phase.

[@emperorofscelnar8443]

@@OneTrekMind I hate the refit which is the Neo Constitution Class, I don’t like the saucer and I don’t like nose cone above the deflector it ruined the design. This is what happens when you do a poor job mixing retro with modern designs. With The Neo Constitution Class I would get rid of that nose cone above the deflector and make the deflector larger and I would replace the saucer with a more futuristic Sovereign type saucer and I would remove the neck it is a huge weakness that even Krall took advantage of in Star Trek Beyond.

[@anthonyg9739]

That weird looking thing in TNG was ugly as hell.

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: what are you referring to?

[@anthonyg9739]

@@OneTrekMind The weird looking Enterprise D

[@OneTrekMind]

Raptor: you mean the Finale version?