What Keir Starmer should learn from Donald Trump, and the British Joe Rogan | Podcast

Welcome to a dudes rock edition of the PoliticsJOE Podcast.
Oli and Ed reflect on the US election: what lessons Starmer should take from Trump's victory; the wrong lessons the Conservatives will come away with; and the role of Joe Rogan.
They also chat pranking politicians and what Telegram channels Ed frequents.
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[@milkman6685]

This thumbnail belongs in a museum

[@imovertheocean]

high art

[@Yakkahboo]

"If you throw one punch you are entering the marketplace of fists" 100% needs to be a t-shirt

[@zezblit]

Strong start lads lmao

[@andyjmorley]

Please can you explain what they're on about as I have no idea - something about a porn star who's slept with 1000 people? I'm surprised that's making the news, so must be missing something...

[@Colston3]

@@andyjmorley Some UK Onlyfans/Influencer slept with 100 men in a day, now she saying maybe a 1000.

[@milkman6685]

I think ed should do pre and post Bonnie blue interview in the corridor

[@trevfindley]

He needs to fully embrace Gonzo journalism for this one...

[@mjwoodroff8446]

Love or hate the channel, Starmer has appeared previously on AFTV interviewed by Don Robbie and it is probably the most authentic I've ever seen him. That is a channel that has a large reach outside of the political sphere.

[@sambaines2]

He also went on the Overlap with Gary Neville

[@ILikedGooglePlus]

Can't wait to watch him on Goldbridge

[@demejiuk5660]

Are you saying Don Robbie should run at the next election?

[@Altashheth08]

Did Trump really do better or did the trump vote hold steady whilst the democrat vote dipped? If 30 people voted Trump in 2020 and 70 voted Biden the trump’s share is 30%…. If 30 people voted Trump in 2024 and 50 voted Harris then trumps share is 37.5%…. Media would say trumps share is up 7.5 points without actually getting any more votes.

[@Kohanman]

💯 % this, all the narratives about racial, class and other electoral groups shifting are pretty bs, democrats just depressed their own votes, it wasnt a swing voter change. In fact republicans did too, jus to a lesser degree.

[@42Iskra]

25:22 Gilets Jeunes were a mass protest about fuel hikes hitting basically all non-urban people. The farmers issue is by definition a land owners only. They don't have the chops or temperament for a proper kick off

[@Colston3]

Ed was making some really got talking points throughout and Oli really derails it, the podcast point especially. Ed and Laura are the future.

[@Sissyphussy]

New to the channel. Always just watch Novara instead. Which one is which?

[@EamonCoyle]

They should give the Guinness World Record assessor the honour of being number 1000 lol

[@MrBlooDeck]

Corbyn would have energized the Side Men.

[@do7137]

12:50 kier starmer on filthy fellas would be a generational cultural reset moment. i resent you ollie for placing that unachievable yet revolutionary idea out into the universe

[@do7137]

specs asking kier if he shoulder shakes? generational

[@kodybreakell7145]

Or where's the worst place he's shit, would be sensational​@@do7137

[@SeantheSkater96]

I get Ed's point at the start. If one of those 100 was my mate, I'd think it was a bit grim. I know that my female friends would not want to hang out with that kind of dude.

[@Dere2727]

It feels in the same category as doing a shittonne of drugs. It’s nothing morally reprehensible, just ill advised.

[@PerplexedTheta]

@@Dere2727unless you factor in the lakes of blood involved in the drug trade, not morally responsible at all

[@PerplexedTheta]

I should probably clarify here: I’m not comparing having tonnes of sex with having tonnes of drugs. Just the irony in the whole thing 😆

[@veryvocalgamer]

Review: politics Joe is a very podcast on the internet that covers a variety of topics and pints with insightful insights into the British politisphere. Also their thumbnails are goated

[@felixarbable]

The thing is the right wing podcasts naturally blend well with the populist right political parties like the republicans or afd or whatever. They are very on message whereas left wing podcasts aren't naturally aligned with centrist liberal types. Hasan piker isn't 100% pro democrat in the same way that Joe Rogan is with trump. Even Pol Joe which is pretty center left has quite a big gap between them and the labour party

[@harrygreenaway]

Sorry lads I've got no idea who or what you are on about for the first 20 minutes

[@SomaliFrank]

Better that way

[@themanwithnonamecalled9667]

It becomes a frustrating listen when the football 'anti-semitism' story gets no analysis, whereas so much time is wasted throughout the podcast. There is a balance of off message stuff and the real issues, and this podcast increasingly fails to do so.

[@BladedFish]

BOYS ROCK

[@MrStanBowles]

Can’t wait for their contemporary theatre performance at the end of this

[@GoldnDusty]

I think Ed's got an interesting point at the start - any moral judgment is not on her as a sex worker, but you could have an interesting moral discussion about being one of the men involved. It's a degree of objectification which removes her agency as a person working, in his mind, and instead she becomes almost a notch on the bedpost. Personally I'm fine with it, but I fully understand and find interesting the moral hesitancy. It *might* reflect something else about male sexual behaviour, and that's worth discussing.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

The Left must reject degeneracy.

[@gregorcaul]

Bonnie Blue is one of the sex workers they were talking about. She's just had her working visa revoked by Australian Authorites after flying to the Gold Coast for "Schoolies Week" to offer free sex to 18 year olds, provided they let her film it. Pretty weird and exploitative. I personally feel she should face a great deal of moral judgement.

[@gregorcaul]

I think my previous response to this was removed or flagged by KZbins ceonsors but, one of the sex workers they were referring to at the start has recently had her working visa revoked by Australian authorities after stating that she would fly to the Gold Coast for their version of freshers, to offer to sleep with 18 year olds for free, providing they let her film it. It's pretty weird and exploitative. Personally, I feel she should face a great deal of moral judgement.

[@RaBBy1875x]

‘No way man’ 🤣🤣

[@giorgiociaccio3675]

Love these podcasts. Keep on seeing all the books in the background. Are there any books you guys recommend?

[@matthewevans107]

Oli is focusing more on the dog whistle of They/Them. If you know he’s referring to gender/trans issues you know. If you don’t know, well They/Them is just the other, it’s the donors, immigrants, it’s the elites, etc.

[@kevteop]

That single Genelec monitor on the bookshelf is a really odd bit of set dressing. You should make that a guest prop spot, like the fourth plinth but for incongruous everyday items.

[@celadortraffic819]

Great episode

[@musicmikemn]

1000 minutes of the 1440 minute day is actually 69% of the day. Nice...

[@EamonCoyle]

A big area where the democrats lost was in their assumption that race would be a factor in the way people voted and I would say Kamala Harris' being a black woman was a major factor in her being picked due to an inherent "elitist racism" within the Democratic party.

[@trevfindley]

I'm not so sure about that. Wasn't a big factor in the way she was picked just that they tried to cling onto Biden for too long, and then didn't really have time to pick their candidate in a more considered way?

[@EamonCoyle]

@@trevfindley I would say there was certainly a degree of them being taken by surprise although that is mad in itself but I think they could still have widened the net had there been desire to do so.

[@trevfindley]

@@EamonCoyle my recollection was that at the time people were talking about issues with campaign finance etc. that would have made it really quite awkward to switch to someone not already on the ticket - but I agree that it was totally mental to try and stick with Biden at all. The process to determine his successor should have begun in 2021...

[@davethepieman12]

The podcast market is over-saturated now. It feels like everyone and his dog has their own podcast these days. I practically had to explain to people what a podcast was only a few years ago, and now they've exploded in popularity. Also, The Rest Is Politics is becoming something of an echo chamber, and the hosts are starting to get a bit too full of themselves in my opinion. Rory and Alastair actually used to disagree with each other on occasion, now it feels like they're getting high sniffing their own farts and patting each other on the back for their incredibly similar takes. I though Rory and Alastair were going to be put on suicide watch when Harris lost, and if they'd actually attempted to look at the political scene in America objectively, rather than how they wanted it to be, Harris losing shouldn't have come as that much of a shock.

[@andrewrushent2737]

Well, your first mistake is expecting self declared centrists to do anything other than acting smug and getting high off their own supply. Centrism offers no answers to modern day issues.

[@demejiuk5660]

Gigantic Smotherers. Ed "What's that about?" 🤣🤣🤣

[@joejjj4378]

he should talk to Niko Omilana. He at least has history trolling the far right

[@superyachtchef]

i came for the DM's and stayed for the #numptynonsense

[@LittleCheka]

Everyone creaming over the thumbnail is forgetting the india vs pakistan one

[@kalvindeane1]

Best thumbnail in a long time

[@stevereber3358]

I knew a guy (bar/disco manager) who was going for 88 in 1988 (He slowed down once planning the wedding started eating away at his free time...)

[@wanglord9591]

Finally, someone appreciates my sexiness. Thanks guys!

[@llspoondogg5400]

This is engagement

[@dannybfs]

Ed using the term Kayfabe is baffling 😂

[@PostingCringeOnMain]

Kier Starmer hanging with the sidemen? Don't give Labour HQ ideas. "From the tools, to Leeds, to the stand, to leader"

[@lil_winky8372]

While I understand the point ollie is making, i think its important to note that around 88% of black men voted for harris, iirc black men and women were basically the only demo that didnt see a shift towards trump

[@Sophiex2024]

Black people and LGBT people. I think there were some shifts towards Trump within black men specifically but on a pretty small scale. All elections have some shifting, its not necessarily that revealing.

[@kityhawk2000]

All due respect but if you look at the numbers compared to the 2020 election there wasn't much of a shift at all towards Trump. He got about the same number of votes in 2024 as he did in 2020. The election was lost by the people who didn't vote at all. About 15 million additional voters voted Democrat in 2020 than did in 2024. The 2020 election also had record high turnout (about 5 to 7% higher than normal US election) so what it shows is voters saw something exceptional in 2020 that they didn't see in 2024. Maybe it was covid that made the difference then?

[@lil_winky8372]

@@kityhawk2000 that's probably fair, i think in that case the only real unexpected shift was the Latino vote from 2016-24, but ig that could just be put down to the incumbent being laden with inflation/ apathy towards his immigration plans

[@Fefflefeff]

The "she's for they/them" line was a good line, it was not 'incredibly powerful', and Kamala didn't run on her gender and ethnic background/ethnicity, it wasn't a big part of her campaign. She was a poor candidate though so I'll give Oli that. Do you remember Clinton? That was running on your gender. She brought it up every time she spoke. The republicans brought up Kamala's ethnicity and gender way more than she did, they basically ran on misogyny.

[@GerinoMorn]

I saw the podcast yesterday show up for few seconds - wonder what happened with it :D

[@cook1e2000robturnerxG]

Ollie sticks of Lily Phillips, no pun intended

[@benscox]

The fuel issue was addressed by labour. You got angry about the freeze on tax but clearly it's important when looking at the US

[@evsm3923]

nice speaker you have there

[@danrattigan96]

The UK equivalent would be dumb stuff like going on TalkSport or the Overlap or on Heart breakfast or something

[@Jonbombs]

Miss the pogsjoe podcast

[@thomaspearson1829]

Has Oli just learned the word ginormous?

[@joeybidster]

It’s very simple. Tell the truth

[@northleedspoppa]

The exact opposite of trump then?

[@kityhawk2000]

Lol did that work for Brexit? People like Trump win because the lies always sound better, because they telling people what they want to hear, not what the need to hear.

[@joeybidster]

@ I would say he’s more honest than the rest of the career politicians. I think trump will do much better and cleaning out the corruption. Especially with Bobby and tulsi amongst others.

[@matthewevans107]

Corbyn needs to get on more football podcasts and just dump on Piers Morgan.

[@danburke6568]

Labour has 2 years from now to do two things. Make working people feel alot better off and fix the NHS. After the 2 years is up, then reform will win sadly.

[@MrBigSeanno]

Fear not, that is almost deffo not going to happen, suspect they should be under 20 seats still by the next GE

[@DavidManser]

Why 2 years? We don't have mid-term elections or anything.

[@danburke6568]

@@DavidManser In two years people will have a fixed idea of what this government has done. It's not going well so far.

[@sciencefliestothemoon2305]

​@@danburke6568after 10 years they didn't realize what the Tories did and decided for another 4.

[@Barnacl3_Boi]

What on earth are they talking about at the start?

[@weejockpoopongmcplop]

From the context it seems pretty clear that they are talking about two female pornstars who have participated in events where they had sex with many, many men, one after the other.

[@diabl2master]

Delightful charcoal uniforms today boys

[@maw8097]

no girls allowed for this one

[@Ray_Beige]

David Lammy 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@thenefyncat6970]

Is this pre-supposing that politicians are capable of learning?

[@lewisjillings2447]

Best thumbnail yet! Guys fucking rule!

[@patrick_h_lauke]

proper snort-laughed at "the marketplace of fists" ... nice

[@dkerr200]

Wait till the lads hear about Lily Phillips and the Scottish guy who flew out. With his girlfriend!

[@benadams6019]

Day 72 of asking for a production team microphone. Strong thumbnail.

[@wmorris189]

Perhaps he should try being a socialist😎

[@MrMycosis]

So bad/boring when Oli is on

[@tersecwalsingham5778]

In America the republicans enhance the conservative content creators even if they're a bit rough and they enhance them but on the democrat side they only get involved with people who are ideologicaly alligned enough. The republicans knew they could reach those who weren't pluged in to politics where the democrats didn't even care to try. Their message was also lacking hope, if one side says, 'Look out for that guy he's bad' and the other side says, 'your problems are caused by imigrants' hey, that might be bs, but at least it's offering a solution... Where's the sauce for episode 100 eh?

[@self.construction.day1]

Call it early, Max Fosh will be the next leader of the UK.

[@neiljaphtha5571]

Would you rather be 49 or 69

[@neiljaphtha5571]

You don’t know what happens at 69

[@nathanaelsmith3553]

Years old?

[@dusktheory420]

43. Which is convenient

[@dusktheory420]

Ah. The elusive British Joe Rogan. Wonder where he's hiding out these days. 😀⬇

[@seanmcgovern8789]

2018 I’m a celeb proved Dec does not “need” Ant

[@pandemoniumgaming6344]

I came here tired and depressed and within the first few minutes my grin is huge and I'm adding my own spin on the jokes. I thought Ed was wanting to round up all the sex workers in the act so he can get them to do it with him. Never stop being Boys Rock as someone that only recently realised I'm not really in the boys rock category (Gender-fluid, trans fem) but I still want my pol joe boys to be rocking

[@pandemoniumgaming6344]

I get being impressed with Trumps charisma especially on tv and podcasts but to say it makes you like him Oli. Shame on you, it makes me hate him more because we know that is literally the only way he gets to where he gets is his charisma but he is a bad guy and shouldn't ever been described as liked unless its I like he did this random thing that actually helped people, you can like what he did but knowledge he's a bad guy and even a bad clock can be good twice a day lol. Anyway Dems definitely lost it because they ran a terrible campaign and weren't left wing like they were supposed to be. Just like Labour over here but at least Labour cold actually point to the other side and say look what they done. But you can't do that in USA especially when your actually in charge at the time. It was so disheartening to see the weakness of the left and how they have eroded themselves into corporate oblivion and irrelevance. Way I see it the American system is competely broken similar to ours but in slight different ways and it's just going to take a restart, which unfortuantely I know will not be done until the system literally crashes and burns and they'll attempt to keep it on live support for as many years as possible to keep their imaginary infinite power going until it fine cant. It's depressing but there is hope for something new, every big empire has fallen nothing is ever permanent or forever so lets see if it happens in the next 10 year or the next or the next. At least I can come here and laugh with the crew as it slowly happens around us all.

[@DivinaDeCampoTV]

Jedward could become prime minister and job share

[@archive3339]

the only reason ive heard of HS tiky toky is cause apparently he was at a party in my uni dorms like 3 years ago

[@EamonCoyle]

I would personally say the psychology that kind of porn creates is more of a threat to women than the trans "issue".....Where is J.K Rowling ?

[@EamonCoyle]

Sounds like you are describing one of P Diddy's private parties !!

[@danmayberry1185]

The going advice for the left: away with your facts and nuance - go populist. Starmer on laddish podcasts? Bit of a leap, but it tracks with the boffins.

[@ninsanity8184]

I gave up after 20 minutes of substance less waffle

[@goingoutotheparty1]

Engaging now

[@xtonksx]

Golden Boy is a bit of a prude it would seem. Shame.

[@derekthedullard]

Fucking amazing thumbnail.

[@dkerr200]

There is no way Rory Stewarts podcast has a million listeners per episode. They were being serious right?

[@1023-f1h]

Ed Campbell. Policing sex acts, practice, and proclivity.

[@MitchellHand-zn7li]

worst 100th episode ever....

[@BlueBirdsProductions]

Nobody wants a keir starmer podcast

[@henryburton6529]

The left needs to build an online echo chamber which doesn't include people who attack Starmer while ignoring that the right wing would be much worse on almost every issue. they need to relentlessly push pro Labour / anti right wing talking points using tiktok, instagram, youtube shorts Labour candidates need to go on these shows and have zero difficult questions. Then and ONLY then we may be able to start winning elections regularly. We need to start NOW!!! If we carry on like this Owen Jones and his ilk are going to get Farage elected.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

The Left has embraced open borders Globalisation driven by international finance ( particularly their support for mass immigration/ cheap labour ) and have no solutions.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

Immigration is destroying the Left with the working class.

[@Galloglaigh.]

Liberals smdh.

[@henryburton6529]

@@Galloglaigh. Exactly. When the fascists come - it's because you opened the door. Just like the red brown alliance in the 1930's. Remember when the fascists come for you and your friends - you chose this. You had an alternative but were too arrogant to realise.

[@zkhz]

The left already has a echo chamber - it's called Reddit.

[@adaml2910]

Finally Ed dressing as an adult male again and not a trust fund teenager from Camden... now just need a proper hair cut

[@robc6220]

Jesus Harvey Christ, these are becoming unbearable.

[@awkwardatlas5623]

“Would you rather be the 49th or 50th guy to have sex with a pornstar” *laughs in hilarious lad banter*. What a misogynistic, disgusting comment. Doing sex work or having had multiple partners does not in any way devalue the inherent “purity” or “value” of women. Shame on you.

[@trevfindley]

Where was the part where they questioned the purity or value of the women? It sounded to me like Ed was questioning the ethics of the male participants...

[@rat6893]

fourty

[@TheVRSofa]

Maybe they could explain something lol? Ive no idea who this lilly is, who joe rogan is, just some clips so we have an idea?

[@ricdontap1]

Stalin was a socialist too. and Trotsky, Mao, Pol Pot, Lenin, Hitler.

[@ricdontap1]

and keir Stammer

[@42Iskra]

Read 1 serious book about Hitler I beg you.

[@ricdontap1]

@@42Iskra I've probably read more than you. The clue is in the name of the Party. Also compare and contrast the result's of those Gentlemen. Different names same results

[@42Iskra]

I don’t believe you have read *a* book.

[@42Iskra]

Seriously though, try something a bit easier than a whole real life book. Ask chat gpt if hitler was a socialist. Have an argument with it if it gets it wrong. You’ll have a blast. May even learn something.

[@bulletproofblouse]

Have you got the greenlight for Pubcast again now then? Did you get Rumpole on it?

[@leopickard7090]

Much better without ava