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@ericstefko4852
@ericstefko4852 Жыл бұрын
Keefe needs to go too
@jonfreeman9682
@jonfreeman9682 Жыл бұрын
He produced the best results and most wins in Leafs history. You think you can do better?
@robbryce4884
@robbryce4884 Жыл бұрын
Keefe is a championship level coach, he has the poise, passion and commitment. He has the fire. It was the core 4 who didnt get it done. This isnt on Dubas or Keefe, its 100% on the core 4. So until you address that, your going to get the same results.
@drew651
@drew651 Жыл бұрын
@@jonfreeman9682 Winning one round is the best in leafs history? Are you special?
@bryanwouters443
@bryanwouters443 Жыл бұрын
@@jonfreeman9682 🤣🤣🤣how many playoff series has he won🤡🤡🤡
@jonfreeman9682
@jonfreeman9682 Жыл бұрын
@@bryanwouters443 okay I get one series isn't exactly time to breakout the champagne 🍾 but they were up against the wall 🧱 as Florida goalie just won't budge and beat up Boston now they're mowing down hurricanes in straights and will win the Stanley Cup. Leafs didn't stand a chance. Sometimes it happens.
@binaryanticommunist1882
@binaryanticommunist1882 Жыл бұрын
The fact Shanny was even bringing him back is astonishing. 1 series?
@vito9674
@vito9674 Жыл бұрын
🤔Amazingly So TRUE 👍👍👍🤔
@benpolley4282
@benpolley4282 Жыл бұрын
If im Dubas i fire my agent .
@jjmarz1001
@jjmarz1001 Жыл бұрын
Dubas thought he was negotiating with himself.
@patrickjonathan4744
@patrickjonathan4744 Жыл бұрын
Best comment I've seen all day. I literally laughed out loud. Well played!
@icas80
@icas80 Жыл бұрын
LOL
@jonfreeman9682
@jonfreeman9682 Жыл бұрын
He was. Shanahan lost big time and the team is going down so he's next on the chopping block. Dubas got tons of job offers already.
@people3865
@people3865 Жыл бұрын
​@jonfreeman9682 let him go. He can offer other stars garbage contracts.
@craigharrison5406
@craigharrison5406 Жыл бұрын
Bring on the changes. This group is past its expiration date. I won't miss anyone on this Leafs team.
@crsantin
@crsantin Жыл бұрын
Me neither. Adios. I have no interest in any of these guys. A bunch of losers.
@SombreSnakePlissken
@SombreSnakePlissken Жыл бұрын
I can’t wait till there’s change.. Been on that wagon for years pretty much all alone 😅
@ryankipnis6230
@ryankipnis6230 Жыл бұрын
He exposed Dubas for sure 😂
@mikebabcock2979
@mikebabcock2979 Жыл бұрын
wasn’t my fault
@snackskassian8565
@snackskassian8565 Жыл бұрын
🤣
@Walter-jv5kr
@Walter-jv5kr Жыл бұрын
Is Shanny fault for hired you back in 2015
@Samlevine111
@Samlevine111 Жыл бұрын
@@Walter-jv5kr huh
@rbrucerye
@rbrucerye Жыл бұрын
Satan: "Mike get back in your pit!"
@Vader31100
@Vader31100 Жыл бұрын
The fact that Shanahan was considering bringing Dubas back after 1 series win in 6 years speaks volumes on how Leafs brass do not value playoff success....That baffles me to know end..
@Landis_Grant
@Landis_Grant Жыл бұрын
no end not know end
@johnsummerhill8323
@johnsummerhill8323 Жыл бұрын
No Canadian team has won in 30 years. It is expected that the Cup will stay in the US until Canadians get the game back from the Americans.
@zalapski9399
@zalapski9399 Жыл бұрын
@@johnsummerhill8323 honestly who cares if Canadian or US teams wins the cup- all the best players for the most part are Canadian. People cheer for their hometown teams, where almost nobody from the team is from their hometown (other than like Toronto). And I’m American.
@funkd5973
@funkd5973 Жыл бұрын
@@zalapski9399you're ignorant about Canadians. This is part of our culture. Something is definitely wrong with the league (officiating bias) to the US teams. 6 Canadian teams have not win in 30 years (7 now with Winnipeg). Mathematically mind-boggling.
@zalapski9399
@zalapski9399 Жыл бұрын
@@funkd5973 why do you give a crap about pro teams in other Canadian cities, with players not from that city? Better off rooting for your local AAA team.
@johnlistro68
@johnlistro68 Жыл бұрын
They had a deal and Dubas tried for last minute bump in $$$$ Shanny got upset Not negotiating in good faith
@jonfreeman9682
@jonfreeman9682 Жыл бұрын
He said it was not a money issue.
@davesway1170
@davesway1170 Жыл бұрын
He was wrong about his formula for building a championship team. All front loaded, defense and goaltending an afterthought. He traded a lot of first rounders away chasing playoff success, which was limited to getting past the first round once in 5 years and getting smacked around in the 2nd round. He leveraged the future and accomplished nothing. Why do people like this guy so much?
@georgedavidson1221
@georgedavidson1221 Жыл бұрын
Good comment
@zascorpusa
@zascorpusa Жыл бұрын
Honestly Dubas shouldn’t have been hired as GM of the team it was a huge mistake
@Choochill
@Choochill Жыл бұрын
People like the guy, because the Leafs were a crap organization for a long time, and he changed that. We went from a perpetual bubble team, to a top 10 team every year, and an organization that free agents might find attractive. In the end, no cups, but overall, the franchise got better with this management.
@donaldmcronald3543
@donaldmcronald3543 Жыл бұрын
And how many fast skilled players did we draft only to say well they're not guna play in the top 6 cuz those spots r full. Then stop drafting the same player
@mintybiscuits941
@mintybiscuits941 Жыл бұрын
The bottom line is Dubas didn't want to be in Toronto. You don't want a guy running your team who doesn't want to be there.
@jonfreeman9682
@jonfreeman9682 Жыл бұрын
That's not true. He says he's not interested in coaching anywhere else.
@drew651
@drew651 Жыл бұрын
@@jonfreeman9682 Considering he isn't a coach you are probably right.
@joeya8721
@joeya8721 Жыл бұрын
He wanted to be there, for more money, for his tortured family.
@Hillywillbilly
@Hillywillbilly Жыл бұрын
@@drew651 😂😂😂
@bokemow1983
@bokemow1983 Жыл бұрын
@@drew651 he was referring to Nick Nurse who is a former coach for the raps
@phils6733
@phils6733 Жыл бұрын
I loved the transparency, leaf fans who buy jerseys or go to games pay top dollar, and I do like the fact that details were mentioned to the fan base. I would love to know the numbers that were offered to dubas and what his counter was.
@duke3196
@duke3196 Жыл бұрын
SUN reported 4 M per yr for 5 yrs
@biglemoncoke4095
@biglemoncoke4095 Жыл бұрын
True, the management have to do that. Uncertainty will hinter the growth of merchandise sales and partially some ticket sales. Basically, I would not buy any player jersey until the end of the off season.
@tomasonderco7324
@tomasonderco7324 Жыл бұрын
Steve Dangle mentioned he wanted a 50% raise idk if that is true or not and idk 50% of how much
@georgedavidson1221
@georgedavidson1221 Жыл бұрын
I think Dubas started to show doubt in the club when he did his TV. Interview
@braddeacon1153
@braddeacon1153 Жыл бұрын
It's too bad that "Shana-can" can't can himself. He needs to be held accountable for this failure of an organization since he joined that Leafs, as well.
@tdunph4250
@tdunph4250 Жыл бұрын
At this stage of all this silly Leafs drama I'd even settle for O'Dog being hired for GM.
@jonfreeman9682
@jonfreeman9682 Жыл бұрын
Well let's see. Shanahan never planned this and wanted Dubas to stay.
@Parmen0901
@Parmen0901 Жыл бұрын
On Monday, Dubas decided to signal to ownership in public that he might walk away. After that, all bets were off in terms of what MLSE felt they can speak to publically. Kyle opened that door in public. Brendan responded. In public. Kyle said on Monday he could not put his family thru a move. I guess he will have to now.
@scottbaron121
@scottbaron121 Жыл бұрын
Do you REALLY think, Yzerman/BriseBois would STILL be in Tampa (my team), if they had Dubas' track record!? Even in TAMPA...much less Toronto!? NO WAY! Dubas should've been gone BEFORE today.
@encycl07pedia-
@encycl07pedia- Жыл бұрын
Different mindsets and expectations. I see it across multiple sports with champions vs. also-ran organizations. The champions expect championships. The also-rans hope for a playoff berth and/or a winning record. Florida has champions. Toronto? IDK. Maybe when Doug Flutie was with the Argonauts. Go Lightning!
@joeya8721
@joeya8721 Жыл бұрын
Spot on commentary. Echos my thoughts on it.
@bluetocop
@bluetocop Жыл бұрын
let us blow it up and rebuild with new draft picks from trading assets
@johnsummerhill8323
@johnsummerhill8323 Жыл бұрын
Not a chance . 5 years out of the playoffs is not in the plans.
@vicha04
@vicha04 Жыл бұрын
Sleazy conniving Shanahan. Why do Leafs suck in the playoffs. WHY? Where is Shanahan's accountability?
@serotoninlight7269
@serotoninlight7269 Жыл бұрын
Lmao why u wanna blame him ? Shannon didn’t make the trades or sign those player…. Dude was not good simple how long can u tolerate the same results lmao
@johnlistro68
@johnlistro68 Жыл бұрын
Stop overpaying for zero results
@dougbell9543
@dougbell9543 Жыл бұрын
With a new GM coming on the scene in Toronto, we can expect yet another multi-year championship development program. ✔️
@blaynestaleypro
@blaynestaleypro Жыл бұрын
Are all these comments robots? Leafs aren't required to show for practice. what kind of work ethic is that? Does anyone care? No? Well what is that other than a setup?
@jonfreeman9682
@jonfreeman9682 Жыл бұрын
Sounds like multi year nonsense. Dubas produced results. The best in Leafs history and after 20 years they broke thru the first round. That's an achievement. It's only downhill from here.
@nipzie
@nipzie Жыл бұрын
@@jonfreeman9682 you have fucking piss poor standards, Stockholm syndrome or something. That pathetic display isn't an achievement
@lukeherrington8555
@lukeherrington8555 Жыл бұрын
@@blaynestaleypro Honestly super sus about the comments. Shanahan gets away with 9 years of losing and decides to bring back Dubas? Keefe is still coach? What in the actual eff sort of micky mouse operation is Shanahan running?
@crsantin
@crsantin Жыл бұрын
What choice do they have? Continue with the same group of losers? This current team isn’t going to suddenly figure it out.
@rbrucerye
@rbrucerye Жыл бұрын
1) It's a stressful job 2) He has a young family 3) The team has a string of playoff failures where it seems like they didn't generate much in the way of progress 4) There is a real possibility that a part of the core 4 gets moved, especially given that NMC and NTC kick on July 1 for Marner, Matthews, and Nylander?.
@jonfreeman9682
@jonfreeman9682 Жыл бұрын
Hey when you're paid $5 million a year and you don't exactly do 9-5 M-F how is that stressful. Come on you can retire after a year but with 9 years with Leafs he's already made $50 million. He doesn't need to work ever again.
@people3865
@people3865 Жыл бұрын
​@jonfreeman9682 He wasn't paid 5m for the entire term lol. We both know that, but he has done well
@Landis_Grant
@Landis_Grant Жыл бұрын
Dubas’s greed (he wanted a raise).
@tdunph4250
@tdunph4250 Жыл бұрын
Did he deserve a raise??? 🤣
@DavidSmith-fw3if
@DavidSmith-fw3if Жыл бұрын
@@tdunph4250 For 1 playoff series win in 5 years? No, lol.
@jimbob6270
@jimbob6270 Жыл бұрын
@@tdunph4250 he raised a lot of eyebrows and penises alike with the signing of ROR
@encycl07pedia-
@encycl07pedia- Жыл бұрын
@@DavidSmith-fw3if Did you see what they did before he got there? lol.
@DavidSmith-fw3if
@DavidSmith-fw3if Жыл бұрын
@@encycl07pedia- Yep, nothing. And nothing during Dubas' tenure either. 1 Playoff Series is such a low bar of success. Mediocrity sure is celebrated in Toronto. Very odd.
@haysbrickell9579
@haysbrickell9579 Жыл бұрын
Actually, Toronto maybe should not have canned Dubas and instead stayed the course, back in the late 70's, the Islanders were written off as chokers who couldn't win and Bossy too soft, we all know how that turned out in the early 80's, the Redwings had some horrific seasons in the 70's and 80's but then won 4 cups in the 90's and 00's, the Capitals had years of regular season success but constant collapses in the playoffs until finally their cup in 2018, if Toronto had kept the status quo, I really believe they would win the cup in 5 or so years, now in all likelihood it is a step backwards
@jonfreeman9682
@jonfreeman9682 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely. Dubas produced the best results Leafs ever experienced. After 20 years they finally broke thru the first round. That's an achievement. Most wins in regular season. 5 straight years of playoffs so it's a good result. People don't remember there was a time when Leafs couldn't even make playoffs.
@atlasfeynman1039
@atlasfeynman1039 Жыл бұрын
Is there a way to sub to Overdrive only and not ALL TSN content?
@gregknight3901
@gregknight3901 Жыл бұрын
look i said it before resigning keefe over cassidy was a HUGE mistake , shanahan signing dumbass to a contract that linked 3 of his core players together was a massive mistake a far as i'm concerned brendon is lucky he's not gone also
@VoltTackle111
@VoltTackle111 Жыл бұрын
Blows my mind seeing some people so upset that Shanahan didn't bend his knee to Dubas when we've been literally complaining for years about how Dubas bent his knee to the core guys. Isn't this what we wanted the front office to do, show some backbone in negotiations? I wanted Dubas back, but him demanding additional money / autonomy after Monday's presser is not a good look at all, no matter how you spin it. Shanahan did what he had to do.
@bluetocop
@bluetocop Жыл бұрын
Tavares was a mistake and the big four got extra million each and now you cant keep Hyman and Anderson Dubad should have gone before this
@Landis_Grant
@Landis_Grant Жыл бұрын
Andersen
@johnsummerhill8323
@johnsummerhill8323 Жыл бұрын
Tavares was not a mistake.
@spiritedtruthseeker5929
@spiritedtruthseeker5929 Жыл бұрын
​@johnsummerhill8323 if he nvr wins a cup was he a mistake?
@johnsummerhill8323
@johnsummerhill8323 Жыл бұрын
@@spiritedtruthseeker5929 Nope. Most NHL players never win a Cup. They are not mistakes.
@spiritedtruthseeker5929
@spiritedtruthseeker5929 Жыл бұрын
@johnsummerhill8323 lol, I get that. I'm talking about the contract. I'm an oiler fan and hate the nurse contract but I'd love him at 7.75. Just a hell no at 9.25.
@mariovaccarella6854
@mariovaccarella6854 Жыл бұрын
I agree with you guys. Even the fact that I like Kyle Dubas & I'm thinking that He was Sincere about His Family, it does look as if He Used It Also As A Bit Of A Bargaining Chip. We'll see - Only Time Will Tell, if He'll Be In Consideration for Immediate GM Position (Pittsburgh, Etc.)
@jonfreeman9682
@jonfreeman9682 Жыл бұрын
No it was genuine. He wasn't posturing for money. He wasn't sure then thought about it and decided fk yeah but this time Shanahan misinterpreted his hesitation as lack of commitment when it's the exact opposite. He's more focused than ever and that brief hesitation was simply exhaustion. Shanahan has years of experience but still an idiot. Fire him now.
@mariovaccarella6854
@mariovaccarella6854 Жыл бұрын
@@jonfreeman9682 Again, I thought that it was Genuine, too, however, it looks as if He (Dubas) was Using It (the Family Thing) as A Bargaining Chip, so, as I said, in Other Place - Comment, that Shanny Brilliantly Used It To Make The Move And To Get Rid Of Him.
@zalapski9399
@zalapski9399 Жыл бұрын
Why would a GM- who’s job is to negotiate contracts, need an agent?
@bokemow1983
@bokemow1983 Жыл бұрын
I found that odd also
@scottdellaire4552
@scottdellaire4552 Жыл бұрын
@@bokemow1983 I never thought of that but it is pretty standard that they all have agents I guess so it doesn’t get awkward in the room.
@michaelgnit8476
@michaelgnit8476 Жыл бұрын
Who will be the next General Manager? It's Toronto, there's likely to be several interested candidates. Pick the guy that understands the difference between the season and the playoffs. And understands how to build a team that can do both.
@wisebear2919
@wisebear2919 Жыл бұрын
Everyone misread the Dubas press conference monday. He was emotionally raw from the loss (proven by his emotional outbursts during the series). And when you feel isolated and alone against the world in failure, you naturally will manifest that emotion by appealling to your family who will always stand by you and uncondionally "love" you. By envoking his family to give himself emotional cover it revealed that he's self centered and weak. Not a Father or Partner that truly cares for his Family by protecting them. It's been proven today Kyle, as suspected, cares about Kyle first of all. If he does care about his family he could have stepped down and taken a different lower profile Job to spend more quality time with his loved ones. Time to step up Mr. Dubas and be the Father and Husband who protects his family, not your fragile ego!!
@jcoats5529
@jcoats5529 Жыл бұрын
You're not a psychiatrist .
@kaunaintaki6049
@kaunaintaki6049 Жыл бұрын
@@jcoats5529 how do you know?
@Scionofgreyhaven
@Scionofgreyhaven Жыл бұрын
Remember he bet on Dubass and let go of experienced guys like Lou and Babs Nothing changed other than 1 round win after you have the best team assembled and your stars are now in their prime. Finally some accountability, these dudes should be fighting for their lives
@blaynestaleypro
@blaynestaleypro Жыл бұрын
Leafs organization do not instill any work ethic in the players. LEAFS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO BE AT PRACTICE. WHY ISN'T THIS MENTIONED ANYWHERE IN MEDIA?
@jonfreeman9682
@jonfreeman9682 Жыл бұрын
But remember there are many other good teams too.
@byrd5163
@byrd5163 Жыл бұрын
The Tavares contract screwed the Shanaplan completely. Whoever signed off on that deal should all be fired.
@johnsummerhill8323
@johnsummerhill8323 Жыл бұрын
Why? He has played well in his first 5 years of the contract.
@byrd5163
@byrd5163 Жыл бұрын
@@johnsummerhill8323 that's why the bottom six is made up of minimum league salary. And he should never have been captain.
@samcareri
@samcareri Жыл бұрын
Brenden loyal to kyle at the end of it all kyle agent screwd him for being greedy
@allentam5754
@allentam5754 Жыл бұрын
It’s for the Better new gm then new coach 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
@jjmarz1001
@jjmarz1001 Жыл бұрын
... And new players.
@Parmen0901
@Parmen0901 Жыл бұрын
I think Dubas felt the MLSE offer was below his expectations. He went to the media Monday to signal he might walk away. Shanahan and the owners were shocked he did this in public. Then the owners told Shanahan to prepare a short list to replace Dubas. After Monday, it was over for MLSE.
@randomname9758
@randomname9758 Жыл бұрын
I don't see how he expected more money when many of the teams in the league make money during the playoffs and the Leafs haven't lasted very long in any playoffs at all.
@rawsz4e
@rawsz4e Жыл бұрын
New culture from money greed to getting your name on the cup first than ask for the money.
@michaelcometto9856
@michaelcometto9856 Жыл бұрын
Why is no one talking about Mark and Dale Hunter
@zalapski9399
@zalapski9399 Жыл бұрын
Because Dale Hunter checked Pierre Turgeon lol
@michaelcometto9856
@michaelcometto9856 Жыл бұрын
Lol
@adamsteele6148
@adamsteele6148 Жыл бұрын
Dubad got caught lol
@AlvinWazHere
@AlvinWazHere Жыл бұрын
Call me crazy, hire Bergevin as GM
@danielpetrucci8952
@danielpetrucci8952 Жыл бұрын
Bergevin is the best Candidate out of the 4 Benning and Cherrelie A BIG NO
@miked3535
@miked3535 Жыл бұрын
O-Dog is right. Dubas has something else cooking and thought he would push the envelope and see what he could get. I wouldn't be suprised to see Dubas pop up somewhere else soon.
@alyours2889
@alyours2889 Жыл бұрын
Just a President saving his own skin...now everything was because of Dubas...but now what? All the contract and everything was timed on the Shanaplan.... you now start a new 5 year plan...with key contracts about to expire! MLE should start over and with a clean slate top to bottom!
@ugna2773
@ugna2773 Жыл бұрын
After the presser Monday you can see he wasnt 100 % in.
@JoeGomez
@JoeGomez Жыл бұрын
The only details that came out were the ones that made Shanahan look as good as possible. In the end he was fired because he wanted to negotiate. This just shows the leafs are actually a pathetic joke of an organization.
@drew651
@drew651 Жыл бұрын
Shanahan wanted to get the contract done in March. He had plenty of time to negotiate.
@benchow8851
@benchow8851 Жыл бұрын
It's just weird that Dubas would bargain in public and put Shanahan in a tough spot. If you want more money, at least negotiate behind closed doors...
@brucekellam5203
@brucekellam5203 Жыл бұрын
They rolled over for Tavares and Reilly too!
@zalapski9399
@zalapski9399 Жыл бұрын
Every job is stressful on families. What a bunch of cry babies.
@patrickjonathan4744
@patrickjonathan4744 Жыл бұрын
Bill Brasky always said to leave things the way you found them. Kyle Dubus believes that as well, thus he left the Leafs the same way he found them. A mess.
@jonfreeman9682
@jonfreeman9682 Жыл бұрын
Uhm I wouldn't call getting to round 2 in playoffs and having the most wins in history a mess and making playoffs 5 straight seasons is success.
@bluetocop
@bluetocop Жыл бұрын
yah if ODOG had of won a cup here I would have graduated from ODOG High School
@serotoninlight7269
@serotoninlight7269 Жыл бұрын
Lmao 🤣 Dkm
@dmonsef
@dmonsef Жыл бұрын
If the Leafs want to take the next step regarding the playoffs, then they need to bring in a GM who is tested(has some substantial to good playoff experience) and will ruffle some feathers a bit. Sheldon Keefe should be absolutely out, no matter who the next GM is. Let us be realistic, maybe in the best interest of the Leafs one of big 4 players should be traded for a good return(like a top 2-way d-man). Jake Muzzin's injury left a big hole in the Leafs defense, as he would have made a big difference for them in the playoffs. It might be time to trade one of the big 4 to fill Muzzin's gap(it seems like his hockey career could be over, right?)?
@shunack1959
@shunack1959 Жыл бұрын
I'm not a Toronto fan however I agree with you did the coach needs to go, here is where it gets a little bit tricky, you need to get rid of Tavares, do not sign one of the two free agents, this will set an example and send a message to the players that if you don't produce and don't work as a team you will be out, I would like also to point out one huge mistake they made a few years ago the left Engvall go to Edmonton that was the guy that went in the corners and got the pucks but to the guys in front of the net to put them in, they don't have that now I'm just saying that because Mitch Marner on the rest of that crew are in it for themselves
@christhornycroft3686
@christhornycroft3686 Жыл бұрын
What led to his departure? How long has he had to build a contender? When you have elite players like Tavares, Matthews and Marner and you're paying then over 10 each, as well as the other talented players on the team, and you don't win, someone has to pay the price. Why they hired a 29 year old to run the team is beyond me. I don't care if he's Steven Q. Urkel. The Leafs should be looking for a veteran GM who can assess where the team is now and make the necessary changes. I still say they need help on the blue line and in goal. If my Canucks would come to their senses and realize they should rebuild, they could offer you Demko.
@mars3177
@mars3177 Жыл бұрын
Instead of firing off that email if Dubas phoned it in would that have made a difference
@enjoinger
@enjoinger Жыл бұрын
Dubas has two young children and you only get one chance to see your kids grow up. Why not ask for the moon? If you don't get it you get to spend more time with your family. Dominic Toretto gets it.
@zalapski9399
@zalapski9399 Жыл бұрын
Dude every job keeps parents from their families- a lot.
@jonfreeman9682
@jonfreeman9682 Жыл бұрын
Uhm let's be honest. He isn't exactly working that hard. Seriously what do you think a GM does? Do a few trades host a few meetings and call it a day. It's hardly work and not a 9-5 job.
@zalapski9399
@zalapski9399 Жыл бұрын
@@jonfreeman9682 they make it harder than it needs to be. It’s like some of these coaches that say they sleep in their office, like they’re really accomplishing something.
@celebritychaostv
@celebritychaostv Жыл бұрын
Shanahan gonna be the gm too now
@michaelrafferty5307
@michaelrafferty5307 Жыл бұрын
It goes sideways like this: Dubas talked to his family and decided it wasn't worth it for the money he was offered. Pretty simple, you banana heads are barking up the wrong tree. The man admitted he wasn't sure if he wanted all in - you don't do that unless your prepared for what happened here.
@darkoanton5
@darkoanton5 Жыл бұрын
Right move, but how does the President of the Leafs live in Manhattan? He should live here. He should be in the biggest hockey player producing matket watching the OHL finding players.
@ericvascotto1131
@ericvascotto1131 Жыл бұрын
Did Willy really “get what he wanted”? Leafs offered 6.3M, he asked for 8.5M, he got 6.9M.
@MikeSmith-vo2yt
@MikeSmith-vo2yt Жыл бұрын
Shanahan = Kevin Lowe. Organization married to the players success which happened 30 years ago
@MrWastedtalent34
@MrWastedtalent34 Жыл бұрын
Taking it to the "human level" "Shanny gave Dubas his start" Who gave Shanny his start? Both Shanny and Dubas "started" in 2014. Difference being Shanny is previously unqualified to be president where-as Dubas had 4 years experience as GM in the OHL, then he had 9 years in the NHL with the Leafs, At what point does Dubas deserve full autonomy?. If Dubas after 13 years with GM/AGM experience still doesn't deserve full autonomy, How the hell does Shanny have it with no previous experience. "Growing the game" in the States and issuing suspensions for department of player safety doesn't translate to president of hockey operations as directly as GM in the OHL translates to GM in the NHL does. The Shanaplan is what has failed the last 9 years and its going to be next to impossible to bring in any GM worth his salt that is going to be willing to put his reputation on the line without having full autonomy to do his job. Bottom line is The Shanaplan has the lion share of the fault directly on his shoulders already, throwing Dubas under the bus should have been a killing blow to Shanny himself as well. Nothing is going to change until Shanny is gone.
@SoaringEaglesMountainBiking
@SoaringEaglesMountainBiking Жыл бұрын
I’m not sure Dumas was the problem I think Shannahan has as much created this team as anyone.
@justinturdeau2383
@justinturdeau2383 Жыл бұрын
Brad Trey from Calgary and Dallas Eakins incoming lol
@bigkanuna
@bigkanuna Жыл бұрын
The Toronto Maple Leaf's are like Stan Mikita's Chicago Blackhawks, full of talent didn't play as a team and only won one Stanley cup.
@scottbaron121
@scottbaron121 Жыл бұрын
Shanny did Dubas dirty. Plain and simple. There was NO NEED to air the dirty laundry like that, to the press. You keep that stuff in house. Bush-League move by Shannahan.
@bokemow1983
@bokemow1983 Жыл бұрын
The media was going to ask anyway.
@mikeknibbe1257
@mikeknibbe1257 Жыл бұрын
You dont just trade sandin for pucks and then sign with that team and get away with it
@kevinhesspschamp8889
@kevinhesspschamp8889 Жыл бұрын
Shan hires Peter C, then PC trades matthews to Seattle for Adam Larsson.
@cryptocode88
@cryptocode88 Жыл бұрын
Glad shanny he was open and honest. Dubas got a bit too big for his britches I think. His agent screwed him and it happens in sports. Sometimes if you wanna be somewhere bad enough it shouldn’t just be about money… that goes for leafs players too. Win something and then we will pay you!
@kidcanuck6031
@kidcanuck6031 Жыл бұрын
Enter Wayne Gretkzy while Mark Messier become the Ranger's coach.
@atlasfeynman1039
@atlasfeynman1039 Жыл бұрын
Hayes, Noodles, and the O-Dog
@blacksheepAb
@blacksheepAb Жыл бұрын
Calgary last Gm, would work thier... Good luck Kyle in Pittsburgh Hahah over the hill core
@casecracked8618
@casecracked8618 Жыл бұрын
Shanahan thought he would get him on the cheap because he brought him into the game…therefore he exposed everything
@kollelcash
@kollelcash Жыл бұрын
lou lamoriello hiring Dubas on Long Island - countdown starting
@danielm6770
@danielm6770 Жыл бұрын
It's become a stress full job because hockey team not making it Family going somewhere else.. Pittsburgh I just heard.
@Droz75
@Droz75 Жыл бұрын
Shanny and Dubas have worked together for 9 years? And you email shanny? Not a phone call, an email.... Like wtf is that?
@zeballos5757
@zeballos5757 Жыл бұрын
I said that exact thing on another vid. The difference between Dubas interview and Shanahan, was Dubas didn’t seem to give a crap and Shanahan seemed genuinely upset on more than one level.
@scottdellaire4552
@scottdellaire4552 Жыл бұрын
That’s where the conundrum takes place. Difference of opinion of people like sending emails a lot easier…..
@Droz75
@Droz75 Жыл бұрын
@@scottdellaire4552 How many of us have sent a text/email that sounded way worst than it was intended?lol
@NIGHTBREED3R
@NIGHTBREED3R Жыл бұрын
Shanny - Dubas I will resign you. Dubas - ok but you gotta pay off my wifes crypto losses. Shanny -🤯🤯
@nipzie
@nipzie Жыл бұрын
Paul Marner is Dubas' agent
@wywygigi
@wywygigi Жыл бұрын
Deal was about power(autonomy), term, and money. Shanny saying to all "f.u." take it or leave it we need everyone on board with team mentality and team discounts. Check champion teams like Pittsburgh and Sidney's mentality ...the best at the time took $8.7M
@barrydimmock5771
@barrydimmock5771 Жыл бұрын
Shanahan sits back, should have been canned long ago. Also the players in this organization have no real will to win, big trade needed
@ThatGuyAlex69
@ThatGuyAlex69 Жыл бұрын
Used his family for financial gain lol. Wow
@casecracked8618
@casecracked8618 Жыл бұрын
Shanahan should of been axed with him.
@democrasywins
@democrasywins Жыл бұрын
winning like a baby at his impromptu presser
@gforce9342
@gforce9342 Жыл бұрын
Leafs need to trade for Sam Bennett !!
@povertyspec9651
@povertyspec9651 Жыл бұрын
All hail the glorious Capitals
@bojanngles217
@bojanngles217 Жыл бұрын
😢
@canucks4961
@canucks4961 Жыл бұрын
He acted like a complete clown in Tampa, and the heat was on and it was getting to him, but I'm not a leafs fan so WHO CARES
@gordonmctavish8904
@gordonmctavish8904 Жыл бұрын
Failure led to the dubas dismissal.
@jonfreeman9682
@jonfreeman9682 Жыл бұрын
Dubas did what Leafs could not do in 20 years. Break thru the first round wall.
@paultaylor1814
@paultaylor1814 Жыл бұрын
If Dubas thought he was being clever negotiating in public he was mistaken. Shanahan has been ruthless in the past so this move isn't surprising. He cleaned house after carefully reviewing the team when he first came in and rebuilt the organization from the ground up. Shanahan probably just had enough with this; he doesn't care much for the media circus and has sent a strong message this kind of behaviour won't be tolerated by the organization.
@miyu545
@miyu545 Жыл бұрын
Dubas already indicated he would have to speak with his family first about staying on - earlier this year. So there was no confusion about the process from his end.
@zigfield723
@zigfield723 Жыл бұрын
Yeah no he didn't
@Broncos18
@Broncos18 Жыл бұрын
It's a leverage tactic anyone but leafs fans understand that. Worst fan base in sports
@kevinalexander2951
@kevinalexander2951 Жыл бұрын
Dubas never said anything about his family earlier in the season, Dubas came out himself and said he didn’t know till took on his family until a few days ago lol maybe don’t make stuff up trying defend a guys shady tactics and greed
@BobsUruncle-dl7cs
@BobsUruncle-dl7cs Жыл бұрын
@@kevinalexander2951 The noose was around his neck...he had to fall on his sword to keep thigs hushed up.
@BobsUruncle-dl7cs
@BobsUruncle-dl7cs Жыл бұрын
Dubas was given the option to fall on his sword. Or else.
@pat6146
@pat6146 Жыл бұрын
They should fire everybody and play golf
@mikeknibbe1257
@mikeknibbe1257 Жыл бұрын
Give cherry a try please
@johnlistro68
@johnlistro68 Жыл бұрын
Dubas got last minute offer that’s much better than he was about to sign
@icouldusesomemoney4218
@icouldusesomemoney4218 Жыл бұрын
So, Babcock was a "meanie"... and the "players coach" can't win... Hmmm? Have the lunatics taken over the asylum? Gerard Gallant makes teams overachieve (why does he keep getting fired after being a perennial 'Jack Adams' finalist?)
@jonfreeman9682
@jonfreeman9682 Жыл бұрын
Finger pointing and the throw everything at the wall to see what sticks style of mgmt.
@FullSweatTryhard
@FullSweatTryhard Жыл бұрын
He got fired… pretty self explanatory
@Cedisdead
@Cedisdead Жыл бұрын
Cringe when NA people talk about Manchester United, but then again its US owned like most of PL. Either that or some islamic state xD
@yep.x1000
@yep.x1000 Жыл бұрын
Dubas wanted a raise for a first round win. That was his Stanley Cup. 😂😂😂😂
@NFLDPONY
@NFLDPONY Жыл бұрын
Dubbie will be GM of another team by next Wednesday.
@johnroberthson7839
@johnroberthson7839 Жыл бұрын
He won't be working for awhile
@ronbonora7872
@ronbonora7872 Жыл бұрын
yeah the Newfoundland national team by next week!
@joeyeoman5643
@joeyeoman5643 Жыл бұрын
2 hours he has a job
@BobsUruncle-dl7cs
@BobsUruncle-dl7cs Жыл бұрын
@@joeyeoman5643 Never working in the NHL again...book it.Moma2.
@BobsUruncle-dl7cs
@BobsUruncle-dl7cs Жыл бұрын
Never working in the NHL again....book it.
@mrzedlyt
@mrzedlyt Жыл бұрын
Hamartia.
@deneshbhaskar8650
@deneshbhaskar8650 Жыл бұрын
Brendan shanaham had enough of kyle dubas. Dubas had a dream job with a stacked roster.
@jeffreyadams648
@jeffreyadams648 Жыл бұрын
Family = money
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