What Made the Disney Renaissance Era so Special? Part 2

[@JauntyProfessor]

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[@sampokemppainen3041]

Are we living now Disney's digital era or frozen era?

[@Quilgen]

@@sampokemppainen3041 More like brands butchering era (R.I.P. Star Wars)

[@Quilgen]

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[@sampokemppainen3041]

@@Quilgen i don't get it.

[@Tenajeh]

Why?

[@Solo-vh9fm]

I wish they’d go back to this style. There’s just something about 2D animation that’s magical

[@TheDen-ec9xe]

Agreed, I'm so sick of CGI

[@eliteflite8395]

and ditch the annoying live action remakes

[@KINGBADASS100]

They tried with The Princess & the Frog, but that didn't make a lot of money. I think the problem with that film was that they tried a little too hard to bring that magic back? Like they it tried way to hard to be like a 90's Disney film. I don't know, I haven't seen it in years, but that's just why I thought it didn't do well. I mean I'd like for them to return to traditional animation as well, but I don't think it necessarily be a good idea to imitate the older movies so much. Just because a movie is 2-d, doesn't mean it has to be a musical fairytale, just look at Iron Giant or the Don Bluth movies.

[@TheDen-ec9xe]

LORDBADASS You're dead wrong on so many things it hurts. First, The Princess and The Frog did make money, but not nowhere near as much as Disney wanted. But that's because their dumbass marketing decided it was a good idea to put it on the same week as Avatar. " I think the problem with that film was that they tried a little too hard to bring that magic back? Like they it tried way to hard to be like a 90's Disney film." Again, you're wrong. It's not that it tried too hard, it didn't try hard enough. The story has good elements, but very underdeveloped ones. The villain, Dr Facilier, needed more exposition and backstory, and a better final battle (hell, he was supposed to be the son of the Voodoo witch in the Bayou), Tiana's relationship with Lottie needed more time to establish it, Naveen needed more time to show how he's running low on money despite wanting to live good, but they spent too much time on them being frogs. It felt half-baked rather than trying too hard. Also, Randy Newman's songs aren't that great or memorable. Except for Friends On The Other Side. That song is badass. "I mean I'd like for them to return to traditional animation as well, but I don't think it necessarily be a good idea to imitate the older movies so much." Well, Tangled proves you wrong, as it actually executed the story beats of a typical 90s Disney movie much better and throroughly than PatF did, and it repaid big time. The newer movies are on the other hand, trying too hard to be "subversive" and "self-aware", but they only end up being unsincere corporate garbage, like Frozen, or politically correct propaganda, like Zootopia. "Just because a movie is 2-d, doesn't mean it has to be a musical fairytale, just look at Iron Giant or the Don Bluth movies." Uhhhhhhh You do realize that more than half of Bluth's movies are actually musical lmao And while I agree on a degree, acting like musical fairytales are overused (Tangled is 9 years old), is just being intellectually dishonest. It's how they're used that matters. Frozen was a musical fairytale, and it was hot garbage. Moana was a musical fairytale, but only the first half was good. Big Hero 6 was not a musical, and yet it was a bland and unoriginal story.

[@TheDen-ec9xe]

@Myrrh Greenwich Speak English please

[@BallSoHardWill1994]

I miss the Disney VHS cases that were designed fancy looking.

[@OmegaRedFan]

Go buy them for a dollar each at half priced books.

[@jdude9314]

The artists who created the box art for those VHS releases turned out some really beautiful work.

[@BB-or8gi]

Fancy looking? They were all the same but with different slide-in art jackets.

[@NoName-ig4mi]

I like how you mentioned the struggles of the artists to get these films done, being a consecutively successful film studio is no easy task and the artists seems to go unnoticed most of the time, they're the true stars of these films

[@TasX]

I was recently listening to some renaissance soundtracks. Wow, they're amazing. They're way beyond that level of "kid-shows," especially the music in the Hunchback

[@onedollarbleach6891]

Radi Bear same, I’ve been listening to part of your world over and over again

[@mandalorianhunter1]

Its so weird seeing movies that made my childhood were made with blood and sweat. I hope the animators are doing better.

[@PillowTalk9]

I just stumbled upon your first video today I was thinking "Man it would be awesome to get an update on this..." then 3 hours later you upload this. Awesome. I can tell you really did a lot of research and this was a labor of love.

[@QuentrixMovies]

Great video. I did an essay a while ago about the Disney Renaissance and the current Revival era. I believe what really killed it was Pixar and movies like Shrek, because the groundbreaking cgi and modern, satire based storytelling showed how animated movies could appeal to adults just as much as they do to kids. I think once the public fell in love with these new movies they found the "Renaissance formula" of Broadway style animated movies a little bland and traditional, which is why Disney created more experimental films in the early 2000's like Atlantis and Treasure Planet.

[@backister]

I know that Emperors New Grove is not part of the Disney Renaissance, but it was always a childhood classic for me and will always include it into my personal Disney Renaissance.

[@angelfontecha3437]

I think that movie could be part of what I woul consider the experimental era or the identity crisis era. Movies different such as Lilo and Stich, Emperors new grove or Treasure planet

[@angelfontecha3437]

@@hotnindza sure that one too

[@denise9621]

@@angelfontecha3437 Let's not forget Home on the Range...actually yes let's forget it :'D

[@RancidGravy]

I enjoyed Home on the Range. the animation was Pink Elephant weird, but it had a good story, sympathetic characters and catchy music.

[@josearcanjo5079]

@@angelfontecha3437 You do know that Emperor's New Groove wasn't actually supposed to be what it became, right? It was pitched as an actual Disney Renaissance tale adaptation from "The prince and the pauper" but set in the Andes during the Inca empire. Kuzco was supposed to trade places with Pacha and the music should be written and composed by Sting. However, I think it suffered from the same thing as Treasure Planet (basically, the executives didn't like it or something) and the whole thing became Disney's most bizarre comedy (I guess). I really like ENG, and I don't know whether the original ideia would be better than what we got in the end.

[@mechajay3358]

The Renaissance was a magical highlight for Disney.

[@eswesje]

I'm so happy you made a part two of this, it's such a fascinating topic and the video is very good. I'm glad that part one went viral, because that's how I found your awesome channel and I can't wait for more great videos :)

[@onedollarbleach6891]

I think people didn’t get your point about xerography including me. I didn’t know that the scratchiness was from the dark ages was unintentional. I thought that was the style they were going for and in result I had no problem with it. But now I understand why it is considered to have worse quality than the art style of the renaissance. The renaissance was just more refined and detailed and you can tell they put so much effort into it. They comprised on quality when they switched to xerography, but that’s not to knock xerography animation, I still like the look of it but it’s obvious that the Renaissance’s art style was better.

[@felipepereira214]

I would like to see about Disney's animated series on TV in late 1980's and 1990's. It's a topic much less explored and no less important than the movies!

[@valmarsiglia]

I think part of the problem with the xerography animations is that at that moment in history, Disney was trying to keep up with the times, and so incorporated illustration techniques which then seemed modern, but which, as it turned out, didn't age nearly as well as animated films from the classic era. The same thing happened with other cartoon properties -- from the beautiful graphic design of classic era Looney Tunes, to the scratchy, cheap looking Hanna-Barbera cartoons of the 70s. Everything was debased in the name of cost efficiency, with predictable results.

[@tavnazian4613]

I've had part one in my watch later for a few years now. Glad I finally got around to it. You earned my sub and I look forward to going through your library.

[@JauntyProfessor]

I’m glad! Thank you 😊

[@Pwhtn]

Really great on part one and this one--I always wondered why those films from the Dark Ages looked "scratchy." Thanks!

[@mahinafilms7162]

All about Ashman and Menken... power duo. The most amazing music.

[@BoyNamedSue4]

Downunder is a beautiful looking movie. Underrated.

[@TerryMcShan]

I was ready to sit back and watch a ton of your videos, but they’re aren’t many. I look forward to the next one. 👍🏾

[@katieatthekingdom5006]

I love The Rescuers Down Under! I grew up obsessed with the movies from the Disney Renaissance and saw a number of them in theaters, but no one ever really talks about The Rescuers Down Under. I think the movie was, and still is, visually stunning and loved the adventure aspect of it.

[@cool3865]

visusally its great looking but didnt have the same story telling as An American Tale

[@86am]

Two notes: 1. When you talk about Disney's fairy tales (2:37) you are missing films such as Pinocchio and Peter Pan. They don't have princesses, but they certainly have fairies. 2. The Little Mermaid and subsequent films did not "add to" Disney's Princess line, because it did not exist until 2000. Until then, there was no concept which bound together the different princesses from Disney films.

[@simonaivancic528]

and they are one of the best

[@sethhammons4665]

Peter Pan was not a fairy tale. It was taken from a novel called “Peter and Wendy” and a play called “Peter Pan; or The Boy Who Wouldn’t Grow Up,” both written by J.M. Barrie. I will give you credit for Pinocchio, being a Grim Fairytale

[@Richard_Nickerson]

@@sethhammons4665 A modern fairy tale is still a fairy tale. It possesses all the key features of a fairy tale.

[@Richard_Nickerson]

They had costumed characters at the parks and toys before the year 2000. It mattered. While his description of the "Princess line" may be inaccurate, it's still a valid observation.

[@nirvanamemoria4536]

@@Richard_Nickerson the disney princess line was though of in the late 90s I guess 😂 1999 but launced in 2000

[@BigBen-wb1kl]

There's nothing more magical than the Disney films of the 90s. Aladdin and Lion King 😍😍 Lucky to have grown up on them. Classic!

[@BillyJamesVA]

I like how you went into more detail about the CAPS system. I've seen a lot of videos on the Disney Renaissance and I feel that they don't talk about that enough.

[@DennisTamayo]

Disney's last two traditionally animated films used Toon Boom Harmony which the software is now used in animated TV shows produced by its television animation division, which are animated overseas in Asian animation studios like Toon City & Rough Draft Korea.

[@andrewbatist6355]

5:38 im pretty sure you can see Ariel running through digital stairs just before seeing prince Eric hipnotized by ursula in disguise. some 20 minutes before the end

[@Noroh____0]

Great video! I really like your perspective on Disney, it's hard to balance the movies you love against the business decisions you don't, but you fo a good job in my humble opinion :)

[@Solarsystemrdffdfyyhh]

Great video I think the end cut short. In the first video you added to the dark ages of that was ahead. Then on this video you just show Tarzan being the last one and what happen to the leaders and the end. I also think you should have put more depth to down under because from my understanding that movie really set the standards. The rendering and movements created the directions to get computer animation moving. But great setup and delivery. Love the the story telling.

[@onlyoneqayin]

usualy hate these type of half baked documentary youtube vedieos BUT THIS IS THE SHIT SO INFORMATIVE LOVE U JAUNTY PROFESSOR!

[@Shah-of-the-Shinebox]

Im truly blessed that I grew up during the Disney renaissance GREAT video

[@chuckkenney6054]

Great job! I love your humility and candor. Please keep up the good work!

[@transp0rter1]

I think one big factor into the eventual demise of the Disney Renaissance is that they ran the formula dry (princess/hero, love interest, "I Want" song, epic setting, musical, etc...). Too much of one thing gets tiring after a while. All trends come and go eventually. Cuz if u think about it: could they have repeated this (formula) to this day??? No.

[@Aliandrin]

I actually agree with you on zerography. I didn't know why when I was a kid, but I noticed something less lush about the animation of Dalmatians compared to previous films. The storytelling was great, though.

[@GoldPikachu]

Great video man! I just wanted to say that I can't believe how much your channel has grown! I hope you are doing well and I look forward to your next video.

[@MartialCardist]

For my money, this is what is best about KZbin. I just discovered your channel and I immediately want to compliment your content. These kinds of well-researched and well-constructed videos are exactly what I prowl KZbin for. Kudos to you, sir! Keep up the awesome work and don't compromise your vision for faster uploads. Insta-subbed. I wish great success on your channel, and I'm sure you will grow quickly if you keep this up. :)

[@ViveLRoi]

I would suggest that the beginning of the Animation Renaissance could be traced to a few years before The Little Mermaid-- to Disney's new, hand-drawn animated television works in 1985 and 1987, the Gummi Bears Adventures and DuckTales-- as well as to Who Framed Roger Rabbit in 1988, which was co-produced by Disney and Warner Bros. Both demonstrated what Disney animation could do with the proper investment and care.

[@alexisvelasquez3311]

Wonderful video! You're doing great man! Do you think you would ever do a segment on Don Bluth? Since you mentioned how vital he was in this era of Disney History?

[@evilkrug5160]

I hate the use of computer animation replacing pretty much totally, hand drawn animation .In my opinion it lacks the heart hand drawn animation has. I have no problem with the use of it but to exclusively use it is a problem.

[@angelfontecha3437]

I see what you mean but I dont totaly agree. I think computer animation is being abused of specialy by studios like Sony or Dreamworks which quality of animation is rockbottom. Howerver films such as Coco show, in my opinion just as much heart as clasic 2D. Aldo when done right 3D is visualy apotheosic, check water color and movement in Moana or the light use in Cocos land of death. 2D animation (good 2D) is now needed to be recovered in hollywood big studios but never going back to the past and abandoning 3D forever.

[@board-qu9iu]

@@angelfontecha3437 I think Dreamworks can make good CGI films. Also, what is your opinion on flash animation?

[@philosophymonkeys1747]

Pixar is currently going through a dark age. I hope it's poised for a similar renaissance.

[@DiogoBianchi5]

More like an IP Age. They milk existing IPs like Marvel, SW and older Disney movies. Pixar is where Disney magic happens.

[@rubbermaster5862]

They are doing well. Coco,Inside Out, Incredibles 2,finding dory

[@towerprep45]

Are they though?

[@Tenajeh]

I think, the whole western world of animation is going through a dark age since the 00s. The artwork is shit, the animation complexity almost nonexisting, the background art merely symbolic in most cases. At the same time, anime is experiencing a golden age where all of these points are virtually perfected as if everyone is trying to live up to Studio Ghibli standards.

[@SourcianMStudio]

Unfortunately, no. The Anime is also going through a dark age. The endless repetitiveness of the Anime and Manga stories and elements, the animators' criminally low salaries, the long-standing low budget and investment in the industry. When they make masterpieces such as SteamBoy, Ghost In the Shell 1 & 2, Akira, Makoto's and Myazaki's works, then I can safely say that the Anime industry is not in any dark age. Peace from Saudi Arabia.

[@albatross1688]

And then there was a slump in the early 2000s of technically impressive but underrated films, followed by the virtually complete takeover of CG, which I don't mind but wish it didn't mark the end of 2D animated Disney films.

[@mysteryroach42]

I agree with your original criteria. Seeping Beauty as the end of the Silver Age feels right to me. I was already thinking it, and you convinced me.

[@NickNCC]

Thanks! I've been inspired to create modern filmmaking with these Disney Renaissance elements and your video review was helpful and encouraging!

[@theaussieytper785]

Plz talk about Disney's New Millennium stage where some of Disney's films (mostly there 2D animated films and there first CGI animated films.) Where struggling at the Box Office while Disney was going through new and other ideas and projects.

[@kansasclark4862]

It is 😂

[@youthnation1]

Nicely done! Watched both. Looking forward to more.

[@Iloveblink182]

Great new video, last one as well! Lots of neat info on the juggernaut that is Disney 👊🏻

[@Relonnor]

I still consider the last Disney Renaissance era movie is the remarkable “Lilo & Stitch” (2002). Minor setting compared to the previous ones, but excellent storytelling, deep meaningful core, and nicely worked animation.

[@Ripplin]

For me, the "Dark Age" is my favorite, and the current age is the real Dark Age. Admittedly, it's partly because of my age, but I just don't care about most of their CG movies and have no interest at all in their live-action remakes, which just reek of laziness.

[@cartonet8186]

I completely agree. I think 80's Disney are the best and have better music, the actual "Disney Renaissance," had great music and stories, were actually very derivative if you study all of their origins, and the current films of the 2010's to now are the Dark Ages.

[@astralaris8712]

@@cartonet8186 The current age is darker than the Dark Age!

[@thomasgrabowski2202]

100%

[@izcoolproductionsV1]

Yeah but Disney is killing it in the marvel department right now

[@Ripplin]

@@izcoolproductionsV1 Yeah, but they can put their name on it and it's still a Marvel superhero movie, not a traditional Disney family movie, which is what these videos are about. I wouldn't even compare the two.

[@thomasgrabowski2202]

Great job on these videos man!!!

[@mkbiesiada]

Don’t apologize for anything. Your work is fantastic. I appreciate it very much and appreciate your research. Half of what’s out there is reading crap of Wikipedia. You did a fantastic job.

[@LadyGlenmore86]

The Little Mermaid and Beauty and the Beast are just a masterpiece. I love a lot more of the renaissance movies like Pocahontas and The Hunchback of Notra Dame but they don't give me the goosebumps like the first two.

[@andyd3447]

I was exactly 5 years old in 1990 so needless to say my childhood was amazing.

[@KlunkerRider]

IS Disney about to enter a second renaissance as they create live action versions of their 1990's animated movies? One could argue that despite the live action designation, these movies use so much CGI that they might as well be considered computer animation.

[@JosephDutra]

It would be nice if Disney did a 2D film every once in awhile again, like they did with Princess and the Frog and Winnie The Pooh(2011).

[@tommclaughlin5360]

The end of the Renaissance (at least according to Disney Animators from the era) was The Lion King. Everything that came after was the death knell. However, Lilo and Stitch was a standalone outlier that was unlike any Disney movie to come before it, and it gets a special bubble just floating out there in the land of Disney Greats. But it required a central creative figurehead with a clear and concise vision to pull it off, which is why it worked so well. It's just a shame it didn't spark a new Renaissance.

[@ogreface8]

I'd love to see a Disney vs. DreamWorks video.

[@yutdu4750]

Disney win all day

[@astralaris8712]

@@yutdu4750 Disney Movies got more recognition, but Movies like Spirit and The Road to El Dorado can keep up with the Disney Classics :D

[@AlexThe1Menace]

Another excellent video. Can't wait to see what's next.

[@jaymiesanfilippo-sherrard6731]

I could not agree with you more regarding the music of Disney! I really miss those big Broadway choral numbers and musical dialogue from 90's Disney!

[@joshwilkins9138]

Great work. Could you do a video or two on Disney's second renesanse/the dip they had in the era leading up to it after the turn of the milinium?

[@briantaylorcloe7725]

That is the dark age i remember - stuff like Home on The Range and Dinosaur took me away from watching for almost a decade, as when i would glance over to see what i was missing, it was stuff like The Wild, Treasure Planet, Atlantis ... 🙈 Guess i initially figured they were totally concentrating on Pixar back then, as they were consistently killing it ... But, am slowly able to wade through the catalog to catch up on some hidden gems 😼

[@somedude9528]

+BeeTeeCee _ Treasure Planet was actually excellent. Unfortunately, it was an underperformer at the box office.

[@briantaylorcloe7725]

@@somedude9528 yeah, my friend told me he watched it many times as it was one of his favorites. I will get around to watching it one of these days - i all ready dig the pretty epic idea of it, and the animation and soundtrack seem pretty top notch, too

[@angelfontecha3437]

@@briantaylorcloe7725 I wouldnt consider that age neither a dark one or a golden age. I think it was the Experimental era of Disney or maybe a short of identity crisis. Movies that were very strange and different to what disney used to do, some in a good way, some not so much. Starting in 2000 with Fantasia 2000 and going on with Emperors new grove, Atlantis, Lilo and Stich, Treasure Planet, Brother Bear, Home on the Range, Chiken Little... A turbulent era which films are not that remembered. Some of them are favourites of mine, while others some of the ones I dislike the most.

[@CrossCuntryFranco]

@@somedude9528 Deliberately sabotaged by Disney themselves.

[@rhondaarias606]

I agree with your comment about the Dark Age movies. The problem was the characaters and stories. Although not without the occasional memorable scene, they were lacking in so many other ways. I never find myself watching those movies, nor listening to their songs. The one exception is 101 Dalmations. I can agree about the xerography except for the fact that that particular movie could never have been made without xerography.

[@TheDen-ec9xe]

I personally divide the Renaissance Era into 3 main sub-periods : - High/Upper Renaissance (1989 -1994) : balance between light and dark tones, adaptation of classical tales, very detailed animation, inclusion of CGI elements, The Rescuers Down Under introduces CAPS. - Mid Renaissance or Experimental Phase (1995 - 1996) : a short period where they tried with darker, more grounded movies and sharper looking character design, but also the beginning of the end. - Late Renaissance (1997 - 1999) : each one of these movies has its own personalized, stylized look based after the setting of the story, the tone is much lighter than the earlier sub-periods. Tarzan introduces Deep Canvas, which will be used again in Atlantis and Treasure Planet later on.

[@nerychristian]

The Lion King was the pinnacle of their animation.

[@TheDen-ec9xe]

@@nerychristian Indeed, the peak, and at the same time, the nadir of the High Renaissance.

[@nerychristian]

@@TheDen-ec9xe How so?

[@TheDen-ec9xe]

@80's Nostalgia Guy Well, read my original comment. Because the latter films of the Renaissance weren't anywhere close as successful, sadly, and thus the later two sub-periods of the Renaissance followed.

[@tauruslhadzyan5901]

I agree mostly with you but I think actually the 3 periods were slightly different on time: - Indeed the higher Reinassance happened since 1989 with The Little Mermaid release until 1994 The Lion King huggest ever grossing release, and still could be slightly expanded to somewhere at 1988 when Who Framed Roger Rabbit happened too. - The Mid Reinassance or Plateau time started since The Lion King, untill Tarzan or Mulan, as any of those movies could have finished that time, as both are great visually but somehow Mulan is even bolder than Tarzan, which looks very childish and cheaper with his main villain Clayton, very obvious for audience and Kerchak rather than the lead good guys, a kinda annoying wannabe-strong lady on Jane who is very way behind the last leading ladies at the movies before her [Pocahontas, Esmeralda, Meg and Mulan], or the plain cheap and chilidish comedy relief characters of Tantor, Terk, Jane's father or the other gorillas that weren't Kala or Kerchak, so perhaps the last quite wholesome good Mid Renaissance could have been Mulan, if Tarzan hadn't got a rather good job on the animation of the jungle backgrounds action sequences and for Tarzan's character himself, thus allowing it to be a huge box-movie success. -The Late Renaissance, since Tarzan until Atlantis the Lost Empire at 2001, or even untill Lilo & Stich on 2002 where animation kept great but the story telling freshness not so much and got a lot of competition for the other non-Disney studios such as Dreamworks and Pixar (before it became part of Disney itself) and 3D CGI animation got more improved and popular on time. Also the time matched with the September 11th 2001 events which somehow also changed the way how the world worked on, and so the hopefull brief time from 1989 at the end of Cold War and the downfall of Berlin Wall which just happened at the same time as The Little Mermaid came, also set the period of time when Disney's Renaissance does happened.

[@StarryShahariel]

One of my favorite disney movies is Atlantis the lost empire. It was also the first disney movie that an entire language was constructed for. And its actually based off of many concepts in Atlantology and the writings of Edgar Cayce.

[@TheDen-ec9xe]

CAPS, Deep Canvas.......Where the hell are these innovations in Modern Disney now ? It's always the same same-y looking CGI. Even creatively, in terms of storytelling, they're basically devoid and try too hard to be too safe, yet "subversive".

[@onedollarbleach6891]

The Den I’m pretty sure they made innovations in cgi, they had to make new programs to animate things like rapunzel’s hair, the snow and such in let it go, the water in Moana etc. I get that ppl don’t like cgi but you guys can’t act like Disney haven’t done anything impressive with this medium. By far Disney has the best cgi. We all know how ugly cgi looks when done wrong but Disney always manages to go beyond above and beyond.

[@TheDen-ec9xe]

One Dollar Bleach For Tangled, that was impressive 9 years ago, given how subpar the previous CGI movies were. But in Frozen and Moana, pffft, CGI water was already made impressive by Pixar. Sure, they had to create programs to animate this stuff, but again, you don't notice because it's still the same looking CGI. That's what makes it MUCH less impressive than blending those elements with hand-drawn animation. Because the eye doesn't care about CGI snow and water when you already have everything else in CGI.

[@onedollarbleach6891]

The Den Disney owns Pixar so I don’t differentiate them so i guess we would disagree there. But even if we separate them I still think they’re are pretty impressive. I mean that’s insane to think that Disney’s cgi looks like regular old cgi. Compare them to the likes of Dreamwork’s and you would certainly see Disney’s superiority. And I disagree with you about the water and such looking bland. When that Moana trailer came out everyone was talking about the water. What makes Disney cgi impressive is that it’s brings movement, fluidity, clarity, details etc. to the stiff bare cgi medium that imo no other company is doing as well.

[@TheDen-ec9xe]

@One Dollar Bleach Just because they own Pixar, doesn't mean they use the same assets or same people. It's like saying Marvel movies are animated features. That's just dumb. Also, pretty sure Illumination pretty much has achieved the same fluidity as Disney. Detail ? Not quite but close. But still, there's fucking overabundance of CGI and it looks all the same. Also, now that Moana has been out for 2 years, nobody gives a crap about it anymore because the only thing that makes it stand out a bit is the songs. Not even the effects you were babbling on about matter.

[@onedollarbleach6891]

The Den they don’t all look the same you’re generalizing. Look, I think you just don’t like that they changed from the 2d style. Change is inevitable, do I think their 2d animation is better? Yes, but I can accept that they just want to change things, who would want to do the same thing forever?

[@jasonlee0290]

Could you please do another video like in this current format but with Ghibli studio?

[@katherinealvarez9216]

So are you going to do what happened afterwards and Disney transition to now?

[@Scott89878]

I think the Disney Revival is ending and another dark age is coming. Especially with John Lassater being pushed out of the company. While I have not seen Wreck It Ralph 2 yet, my understanding is that it wasn't the same level of quality as most of the revival has been. Frozen 2 might be the end of the revival.

[@katherinealvarez9216]

Scott89878 So does that mean we can get Don Bluth back? Maybe Dreamworks can take over? What’s Laika doing lately?

[@onedollarbleach6891]

Scott89878 I don’t think the revival is going to end yet, I think people just don’t like it so they’re hoping it ends. Disney is still at the top so it’s gonna take more than 1 bad movie to put the whole company in tragedy like before. To be honest I don’t think it’s ever gonna get like that again at lest not in the near future.....

[@HalfEatenMedia]

Roger Rabbit kicked off the renaissance. That film is such a rare masterpiece. At the time they thought 2D animation was dead so they were more willing to collaborate with competing animating studios. The film was a huge success and it proved to Disney that they should get back into making more animated films. Sometimes I randomly think of that film and how lucky we are that it was made. It’s the only film that actually takes the concept of animated characters living in the real world seriously. Both the humans and cartoons are shown as people with real world problems. That even cartoon characters lives have real world consequences. You really feel like you can relate to them on a more deeper level as a result. It’s an accomplishment that has never been replicated.

[@Knux999]

Great and informative video. Glad to see more of your content. Could A Goofy Movie be considered part of the Renaissance? I know it wasn't a blockbuster or anything, but it's a pretty big deal for a lot of people who grew up through the era. I'd love to hear your thoughts on it. I think it's a forgotten classic

[@Knux999]

...it’s still Disney

[@mk3a]

Unpopular Opinion: I think Fantasia 2000 belongs in the Renaissance, stretching the timeline out to 2000 (the post renaissance would still start that year). It just feels right.

[@Vaporvice84]

I know I'm probably alone on this, but at 5 years old I was disappointed with The Little Mermaid. It just didn't make me feel like seeing it again and again like the older classics did. I had watched so many Disney movies so many times up to that point that i guess there was no way my childhood expectations could be met. One of the first theatrical experiences I can remember, and it was disappointment, lol. Thankfully, Batman came out that same year (as well as Honey I shrunk the Kids) and all was right with the world, lol. Btw, its's now 30 years later, and I can honestly say I still don't go back and revisit the "Renaissance-Era" films anywhere near as much as almost everything before it (Though granted, Lion King was the last one I saw. Once I turned 11, I felt I was too big for Disney cartoons, lol).

[@theaquadollsmusic]

what about the 1995 a goofy movie? :) that and the lion king were my favorites as a kid! i think goofy is definitely a part of the renaissance, even though he wasn’t necessarily a new character

[@shadowkitty56]

I know this is about a month old, but Jaunty, please understand that I am trained as an animator; I work mostly in 3D but in college I did not just stand there twiddling my thumbs and did learn how to work in 2D as well, at least the basics; I learned from a woman who was pretty high up at Rankin Bass and who knew people in the business in the 1980s. Xerox and its cousin xerography actually were used in the Disney Renaissance, too. It is standard practice. They never abandoned it after 1988, at least not entirely. Xerox machines are actually a blessing in disguise since the image cannot smudge or smear like pencil can. They can blow an image up. If you want Mickey Mouse to look like he is 20 feet tall, and he has to grow to that size, it is a lot better to use the Xerox machine or a computer since it is more likely to be accurate on the keyframes. (Certain other animation tricks are easier with it as well.) The bigger problem with Disney after Walt's death was, well, imagine a bunch of hound dogs chasing their tails. They had no fearless leader anymore who could make the tough decisions on what to cut, what to keep, which stories to try out, and which stories should absolutely NEVER EVER EVER BE MADE AT ALL. (I would not be surprised if one of the animation heads went off on a crusade for something like Bluebeard to be made...let's all shudder at how much worse that would have been than the Black Cauldron, since such a result may as well have been called the Disney version of Silence of the Lambs...yikes!) They should have listened to Don Bluth when they had the chance and they should have tried to have kept another talent working for them, one nobody ever thinks about...TIM BURTON. Burton was originally an animator for Disney on the Black Cauldron; the Horned King is all his stuff. They also failed to recognize that the audience didn't want a blonde white girl flitting about like a total tit headed moron anymore and a new generation was looking for a different kind of female; hell, lady animators didn't even start getting real positions until the 1970s. (A lot of the men on the lot just didn't want to hear that little girls were aiming to be astronauts and were cheering on Wonder Woman opening cans of whoop ass on television, especially the older ones. Half of them probably choked on their popcorn while watching Ellen Ripley a decade later go medieval on the Queen Alien, shocked, simply shocked, at how many ladies cheered when she said "Get away from her you b---!") They even failed to recognize that it is okay to have the main character be a dude. It is as if they hit themselves in the head with a bat and lost their minds after Sword in the Stone. Worse, in addition to Walt being lost, Roy was gone, too. Roy was the one who handled more of the business end of the company. Walt's son in law did some good things, like see through the founding of EPCOT, but he was totally unequipped to wear all the hats. That being said, the best mind behind the Disney Renaissance was Welker, not Eisner. Remember, Lord Farqhuad did not fall out of the sky, and Katzenberg was in charge of the first Shrek film. Eisner had lousy vision regarding artistic stuff, and I mean LOUSY. This guy was fine at running things with live actors at studios, but wouldn't understand how to draw a stick figure nor what the animation department was telling him. A lot of the ventures at Disney Parks that he thought up failed badly, like a nightclub for teenagers in Disneyland. He once put his kid's teacher on the board at Disney. He had some bad instincts regarding real estate transactions and green lighted stories that should have been burned and he was one lucky bastard that Pixar came along or he would have lost his job sometime after Mulan. There is good reason why they chased him out and why he is no longer allowed at the helm of a Fortune 500 Company (Roy Jr, before he died, lead a revolt to get rid of him. Thankfully, Roy won.) Another great mind behind the Renaissance was Brenda Chapman: she wrote most of the story for Beauty and the Beast and that landed the film in Oscar territory way before there was a category just for animation. (She did Brave many years later and did it for her daughter.)

[@andyd3447]

Also lets not forget that right in the middle of all of this Disney released Toy Story which was a huge movie. I know its not hand drawn animation but it also contributed to Disneys comeback.

[@YTLawnGnome]

Ooh! So awesome to finally see the 2nd part. Is there going to be a part 3?!

[@darlynlollisjones3156]

I was trying to explain this to my much younger girlfriend the other day. Thank god I came across this video. She grew up with the Little Mermaid but knows nothing about the Dark Age that came before it.

[@ErikDaVinci]

One whole year between release of part 1 and 2 of this series!? Lucky me I found them not until now, so I was able to see them for the first time together. As them seem to be intended to. :-3 So...Part 3 in 2020? Anyhow, thank you for 2 great videos filled with very interesting facts I've not heard before on this topic. You must put a lot of work on research. :)

[@bpkell]

Were "Pixar Babies" in the credits a way of pointedly being family-friendly (for their employee animators) in a way Disney was not during this time period?

[@ryguyfx3765]

Rename your first video “The Disney Dark Ages: Revisited” Rename this video to “The Disney Renaissance: How Disney was saved” I think by doing that you will receive the same amount of viewers you had on part 1. P.S. love the vids man. Keep it up!

[@danielboone3770]

The Disney Renaissance is so wonderful. I actually would love to continue it.

[@rajack1]

This is awsome part 1 and this one.

[@OscarCherici]

Great job man. I appreciated

[@hoc1992]

Hey..!! WHAT IS THAT BEAUTIFUL PIANO MUSIC YOU USED ?!?! Starting at 1:35 to the rest of the video

[@TheCynthiahawkins]

Thank you for fixing that typo on Chairman.

[@Vaporvice84]

Oh, and just an aside, Disney had coined the term "Pixar" even sooner. In the live action Disney movie "Flight of the Navigator" from 1986, the robot/alien (voiced by Pee-Wee Herman/Paul Ruebens) said the word "pixar while saying some random space-age sci-fi techno-babble, lol.

[@preciousthing101]

I remember as a child disliking 101 Dalmatians and all the cartoons that looked “scratchy”, precisely because they didn’t have the clean, quality look the Little Mermaid or Aladdin had. I remember being 7 years old when mom took us to the movies to watch Aladdin, and how amazed I was by the feel, colors and quality of the movie. So i totally get what you are saying in these videos and agree with you.

[@jeffrexx01]

The scratchiness gives those movies a kind of 70s-slacker quality, I feel.

[@AB2B]

I'd also add it was incorporating other cultures (other than Germanic/European) into their fairytale line up that helped, as well as allowing the heroines to be more overtly strong and independent, and not necessarily pressed into preset molds. My daughter's (and my) favorite princess is still Mulan; the story was about more than H/H love, it was about familial love, love of country, and acceptance and love of self. A great message about intellect winning over brute strength, and how one person can make a difference. Told you it was my favorite. lol But these were the positive types of messages we parents wanted for our children, and Disney created exactly what we were looking for.

[@alexandrelot2798]

I would really love hear you talk about Atlantis: The Lost Empire.

[@henrygutierrez3243]

If I may ask, what was Disney's Silver Age?

[@joesycamore2899]

Disney has lost its way completely. The live action remakes all suck

[@tobyroyparkerjr.233]

Quick cashgrab

[@th3giv3r]

I, too, aspire to one day attain the height of professional development that is "Charmain."

[@TheDavisFactor]

And now Disney has become a Pixar factory. KH3 is probably all Pixar movies. Thank God for anime.

[@NookyBrownies-San]

Maybe post disney second dark age 2000-07

[@Ersa0431]

What is your opinion on Disney's current model of making live action remakes?

[@mavericksixx6540]

3:56 where is wendy's face?

[@Changeling9000]

Isn’t Pinocchio a fairy tale?

[@Blokewood3]

Technically it's a novel.

[@BoyNamedSue4]

Novel that was about 40 years old at the time.

[@landochabod7]

@@BoyNamedSue4 *about 60 years old.

[@malahammer]

Who nose?

[@Bluejaunter]

OddBall64 literally has a fairy in it

[@Mr06261984]

jaunty, just remember it's fun to argue with youtube content creators.....embrace the haters, they love you.

[@joneh9483]

I was never really a big fan of 2d or traditional hand drawn animation and 3d objects existing together in cartoons, I just kinda felt like once you saw the change in animation in a cartoon it sorta reminded you that what you were watching wasnt real, and by that I mean when you're watching a cartoon with a really good story and you're lost in that world and then all of a sudden one of the monsters or machines shows up in 3d animation it kinda puts you off, and like what I said earlier reminds you that you are watching a cartoon. Do you guys get where I'm coming from here?

[@dimethedude]

So you don’t have a part 1 of this???

[@tori2dles]

I think I get what you mean by “scratchiness,” but I suppose I just thought it was the style. You said you should have focused on storytelling elements and now I’m trying to wrap my head around that one. You see, I really loved movies like *101 Dalmatians, Jungle Book, Robin Hood & The Rescuers* as a kid. I thought the storylines were great and the music still some of my favorite childhood songs. As a child, the storytelling in *Snow White, Cinderella & Sleeping Beauty* was sometimes too slow for me, especially some of the songs. I guess I was a child of a new era and I didn’t like the old style ballads. They made me sleepy. *Sleeping Beauty* wasn’t as bad (I only recall one song.) and, of course, fun songs like “Hi Ho” or “Bippity Bobbity Boo” were great. As an adult, I can appreciate such music, but they made me yawn as a child. So some of those Dark Age stories bring back such fond memories. Could you explain more about the flaws in the storytelling? I feel bad asking, but I’m not getting it. 🙁 That being said, I am super impressed with your Disney knowledge and incredible presentation. It’s made me think back to those times and look back at that era. Thanks & all the best!

[@galactica1981]

I disagree that the Renaissance era had to end. The reason why it declined after the Lion King was due to poor story choices. Pocohontas and Hunchback were not well-suited for the Disney animated formula. Neither was Mulan, although it was still a good movie.

[@alexandramendivil1290]

Whats the song playing in the background?

[@antoniocenteno1483]

I´m more intriged by how you had to explain your previous video and what you actually meant, i thought it was pretty clear.

[@disdust]

The 'renaissance' movies are beautiful and hold a special place in my heart since they're from my childhood, but I would argue that aesthetically, the 'dark age' films have stood the test of time much better! The late 80s and 90s look kitsch in comparison.

[@4dustbin1]

and now were living in the Disney apocalypse

[@cool3865]

i dunno Frozen seemed to be like the old Disney movies from the 90s, when my daughter wanted to see that movie i watched it with her and it reminded me of them, now lets see if the sequel can do the same.