WHAT MAKES A WHALE? | STAR CITIZEN

[@billionaireninjas]

Anytime I hear that a gaming company has "gone corporate" I generally think that means taking advantage of the community for a profit. I don't think CIG is taking advantage of the community for a profit. I think they just know their audience and they realized they are not a charity they are a business. If you know business then you know the primary purpose of any business is to make money. Asking a business not to do what makes them money is asking them not to be a business. As any company grows you get less personalized service. It doesn't become worse, you simply are treated like a customer. Their customer service needs work but it's not EA, it's not Activision/Blizzard. I think we as gamers focus on experience and the game and we forget that its a business first that happens to be making a really good game. The Devs and the Founder are extremely proud, dedicated, and passionate about the game...but they still have a business to run. The game they were building when they were giving good customer service is not the same game they are building now. If you want a bigger and better game they need to be a bigger and better company. They could deliver the original idea with a lot less people and a lot better customer support. CIG has some problems they need to address. Overpromising, underdelivering, missing deadlines, massive backlog of ships, making promises and failing to keep them, etc... but I can't get upset that the CEO and the Website keep telling people you don't need to buy ships just get other people to play....and people keep buying ships. Its like I'm trying to sell red apples but my green apples keep selling out. So I start focusing on selling green apples and people get upset. Which, you are welcome to... But I think as a community we created the problem and are looking for other people to blame...CIG bears SOME responsibility but we bear some as well. Stop buying ships and UEC and Merch. I've spent a lot of money in this game and all I want is my ship for it, nothing more, nothing less but I want CIG to keep their word and provide things they promised. I also want them to be ethical. I think ethics is what most people have a problem with CIG's tactics and operation but I'm of the mind that where money is the primaey goal ethics are already out of the window so any effort is fruitless. I think thats what a lot of people struggle with.

[@Sams911]

I'm $15000+ in and I don't come close to some I know... When I send a custom support message to concierge, I sometimes wait 2 weeks for a response. so much for VIP

[@XShadowAngel]

The "special concierge support" is terrible. It's no better than normal support, and that's pretty ridiculous.

[@Frank-os6gq]

Well there are tens of thousands of vips lol and only so many customer support people sonit makes sense, they are overwhelmed

[@Metro2Metro]

I also have spent over $15,000 USD from 2013 I've never expected to have special treatment over others. Regardless how much I spent. I'm enjoying the experience and contributing to the progression, however slow it has been of this project. To many of you all the amount that I have is spent might freak some of you out. I've already at this point. Got my money's worth. Due to the thousands of hours that I have played over the time with my two older brothers and my nephew who are all backers of this project. The amount of time we spent bonding over this project has brung us a lot closer and that is priceless

[@Sams911]

@@Metro2Metro well, you're an Angel... I'm happy for you.

[@davewills6121]

@@Frank-os6gq Its fine, we don't have to spend the $, there is far to much pretentious beggars on Concierge/Subscription. They are always asking for special dispensations, NO we get enough, and if we decide to spend the $, that's reward in itself.

[@billionaireninjas]

Oh... I forgot! I think you become a whale when you start buying things that you don't need. For instance, I bought a Terrapin for pure love of the ship but I don't need it. Some people own a Prowler just for the looks. Some people own. Nox because they just because "space hoverbike" and dont even drive it.

[@graveperil2169]

12 years of buying ships turns minnows into whales

[@blaqbastion1501]

5k spent over 12 years was like 34-37 bucks a month

[@guynamedmaggi5520]

​@@blaqbastion1501still crazy to me to spend on just one game or even as a donation I'm not gonna tell you how to spend your money though it's not like it's hurting anyone.

[@elfwyn8707]

I blew past Legatus Navium a few years ago. It is nice to be appreciated and get a honrary title and such, but my goal is to fund the development and not draw money out of the project by calling for even more ship rewards on top of the current concierge rewards. I allready have pledged for 150+ ships. I am more than happy to see the development progress and connect with likeminded people. My main interest is for Star Citizen to be a game for everybody and it does not serve the purpose of the project if content is gated to a select few just to make them feel special. Just like in the initial pitch everything should be achievable in game. Of course some things are probaply not realistally achievable alone but that comes down to choice. My dream of Star Citizen is centered on Multiplayer Teamwork, so I doubt that I would be able to fly just about any ship in my Hangar on my own. I would rather be a small part of a crew and contribute to the overall success of the team. I personally am not a fan of NPC and AI blades, probaply because I don't want people thinking that I could get an advantage out of my ships. But since I don't want to take advantage of those systems it should not hinder the experience of other normal players who just want to bolster their ships with extra manpower while playing alone. I doubt it would be feasible to man a very big ship only with NPCs though, since that has been the stance of CIG from from the inception of the idea. I reached Concierge Status during the very first Idris sale at the Kickstarter and since then I tried to support the project regulary and use the ship sales as an excuse for that. Depending on how the projects needs that is going to be more or less. As to the VIP Support. Whenever I needed Support they did answer in a reasonable timespan and helped me with my ship related problems. (like e.g. blocking my ships from beeing giftable)

[@cicio7777]

Agreed on everything except how does higher Concierge levels draw money out of the SC project? I don't understand i would imagine higher levels would offer better value/ROI for money spent

[@sevilnatas]

To be fair, ship rewards are not a draw of money out of the project. It is software, every ship after the first one costs $0.00. (I'd say pounds, but I don't have the pound symbol readily available on my keyboard)

[@sevilnatas]

I would love higher concierge access. It is not talked about much, but characters and ships can become borked for an individual player and it is quite hard to get help with your specific issue. Often, it is handled through ham-fisted solutions like destructive character resets or just living with the issue / going away until the next wipe. One wonders what will happen when wipes become a thing of the past.

[@elfwyn8707]

@@cicio7777 Well, in my personal view I got gifted about 1000$ worth of Spaceships. Since I have 2 F8s and 1 600i I won't buy them in the pledge Store anymore - hence it is a loss for the project. I try to compensate "that loss" by giving back even more to the project, but thats not how everybody thinks.

[@elfwyn8707]

@@sevilnatas Hopefully those Issues will be sorted out in time. Once the heavy handed tools for reset are removed from the game the problems need to be at a level were customer support is able to handle player problems individually. However since many of the active players are also the same people that have multiple ships there is a very good chance they will new players out when asked nicely.

[@CitizenScott]

11:48 This chart ain't wrong, and I ain't even mad. I say gg CIG. Keep it up. Keep the lights on. Keep the dream alive. The day they say "subscription fee" I'm out, but as long as it's all funded via voluntary ship sales what's the problem?

[@aviator2252]

And the idea that bought ships will be t1 or 2, eliminates many issues I have had with ship sales,

[@davewills6121]

Well if you are invested in time or $ or both, luv the game, actually have a space station, play in a great org..........what are you going to do, walk away because there is a new subscription model, cant see it. But, will there always be a place for new ships, of course, there are all the Alien Capitals, and every decending class, if CIG keep making them, people will buy them, so i couldn't see a Subscription Fee coming for a very long time.

[@CitizenScott]

@@davewills6121 "what are you going to do, walk away" Yes.

[@davewills6121]

@@CitizenScott Yeah, go play Star Atlas

[@CitizenScott]

​@@davewills6121 Why would I do that?

[@methodmizzle]

at the end of the day you can pay $45 for star citizen or you can pay $45000 for star citizen and youll both be playing the same game

[@davewills6121]

The best option for a ''Long Term'' backer is: buy a couple of cheap packages, and if you want referrals, do that between your accounts, then build a portfolio of CCU's to lock inthe price, do it across careers and gameloops....as your tastes will change along the way. and set up a small slush-fund on your main account, to buy/melt paints. Subscription can also be good value given your expectations. You don't need to buy actual ships from the store. Hindsight.....ide do that and save $1000's.

[@DarkdsidedGamer]

Not at all. The $45 dollar spender will have everything to work towards and play for a long time. The $45000 spenders will play for a VERY short time then rage and complain there's nothing to do, then quit in a few weeks. Whales are the exact same in every MMO

[@IdAefixBE]

@@DarkdsidedGamer Or the 45000$ spenders will be enjoying being able to buy plots, build bases and craft ships while 55$ (been upped during CitizenCon, no annoucements ofc) players will be grinding delivery missions for thousands of hours until they break and pay to access "features". How can you be so blind to the fact that even in alpha stage, many people upgrade their ship out of pure frustration ? Do you ever see Aurora's and Mustang's in the PU ? I feel like most players got pressured by the grind to upgrade to a Titan at the very least, since the official starters are desperately worthless...

[@DarkdsidedGamer]

@@IdAefixBE Not how it works. Every MMO with pay to win goes the same way. The people that buy their way through progression never play the game for long and always rage quit complaining that there is nothing to do. Or there's not enough content etc etc same ol story. Ask Algared how often he logs onto SC lol. I bet he doesn't

[@serrethindustries9468]

The thing about concierge is that it USED to be a pretty small group, which afforded an actual higher tier of customer support. Now it's too bloated. I've personally never cared about any other perks. I often wear my gold armor specifically because I don't mind losing it to buggy deaths. Lol

[@2panzur]

Throwing them 20 bucks a month sure adds up quick.

[@2panzur]

But also as long as it’s “whatever” budget it’s ok. If you negatively impact your finances it’s a problem.

[@CitizenScott]

Yeah, and SC alpha is not quite the same experience as WoW...

[@lunamaria1048]

"unless you want space superiority". Very important words lol. Whales can buy superiority, or in other word, whales can pay to win. SC's ship selling model perfectly fits the Cambridge Dictionary definition of "P2W" lol. I'll help by giving some definition. P2W: Using real money to gain an advantage over players in a game that can not or do not spend real money in said game. Including buying progression, purchasing powerful items (in this case ships), getting access to exclusive content (yup a thing in SC), or buying in-game currency that provides an edge in gameplay (also a thing in SC). Saying SC isn't P2W is like saying my Lexus GX 550 is not a Lexus, just because you dislike the word "Lexus" lol.

[@davewills6121]

Nonsense, well true if your ignorant to the simple facts.

[@graveperil2169]

bad pilots are still bad pilots no matter the ship they fly

[@lunamaria1048]

@@davewills6121 You are too ignorant to Google "P2W definition"😂😂 The first definition is Cambridge Dictionary, and the rest all say the same thing in different words. Facts do not care how you feel about it o7

[@ReMarig00o]

You are completely right. Everyone else is just playing pretend. However, the nice thing about SC is you can whale all you want. But if you dont have a crew its going to be a horrid experience. Example: When game is 1.0 id assume a prospector will be much better for solo than a mole, arrastra or the orion. As a solo player in a capital ship if you just make a dent on it you are going to have to pay a hefty repair price all by yourself. And since SC is mostly open area and pve/pvp everywhere, those larger ships as a solo player will get stolen and pirated from you. Now whales offer us all a great experience in SC. Which is roles. As a solo player im sure the whales want me to help them in numerous ways and as long as the pay is enough for be to do x job on their ship then I feel like we are all winning. So in that sense the bigger ships are enabling everyone else for content and experience they would not otherwise have in the game.

[@DarkdsidedGamer]

@@ReMarig00o Did you read the definition she cited of P2W? The term p2w has nothing to do with "winning" lol. There is a factual dictionary definitions from certified dictionary source here and you guys still reject the facts and say what you "feel" lol

[@Zethez]

Multi-Player doesn't mean 6 people on the same ship. It could be 6 players in their own single seat ship, but having a mutual goal. I think one reason people choose bigger ships, is to over come the short comings of single seater ships... Fuel (distance you can travel) as well as amenities not just combat advantages.

[@SgtHack802]

I bought a start pack in 2013. Now $5,500 in the game…

[@xinleitang-o3h]

I'm about the same! Lol

[@JestaultSteinkeKachuik]

I grinded in a big org group and we were extremely efficient and all in one day. The overdrive took just over 14 hours to do everything

[@CitizenScott]

34:30 I don't want to do anything you describe here. None of this sounds like a good time at all. I just wanna crack a cold one, fly around the verse in my MSR with my NPC Chewy, then log out and go to bed. What's the problem with that? See, this is the actual difference between Socials and Solos: Solos have no problem with Socials playing the game however they want, but Socials can't seem to stand the idea of Solos having fun on their own. It is truly bizarre.

[@2panzur]

Yeah we need to decompress and chill, naturally Solo flight but naturally will interact with orgs through organic means. Getting that urge to just sight see or clean up a belt.

[@ikkeheltvanlig]

I have never seen so many whales claiming that it's people spending more than them that are the whales lol. A whale is anyone spending significantly more on a game than is reasonable simple for a transaction in exchange for playing the game. For a regular 30-60 hrs single player game, $70 is the new standard. For playing an online game, including server costs, 10 years at $10/month standard can be $1270. For a game with 6 DLCs each worth $40 standard could be $310. I'm thinking 10x the standard is a whale. Now, for Star Citizen which can be played for only $45, I'd argue anyone paying more than $450 is a whale, which I think is about a third of the player base

[@AlbertoMartinez765]

Correct if you spent a single dollar More then the 45 bucks your a whale its just a Matter of degrees

[@DarkdsidedGamer]

Yup, listening to whales cope by trying to claim its the people spending more than them is like listening to a drug addict say they don't have a problem lol

[@yalemullins1423]

I like the idea of being able to hire NPC crewmen from guilds after you've built up rep with them.

[@bradthebreadstick]

Yep, just remove all semblance of the live game not being pay to win

[@Rolinka-b9i]

You are all whales because you want to buy your advantage in game. You can spend same money supporting a game and giving starter packages away. But you buy a ship for yourself so you dont have to earn it in game.

[@tkc1129]

Great talk. I do think that adding skills would actually hurt people who are tine-poor, not help them. Essentially, skills are just grinding; it's waiting to be able to do what you want to do. I think some skills, like higher levels of blueprint-crafting, are acceptable and possibly necessary to give Death or a Spaceman some bite. I'm also not sure I would consider someone who has the time to play the game a lot a whale. I think they are just getting the most out of their game; experiencing the game in an ideal way. But it isn't wrong to say they are time-wealthy.

[@StockpileSC]

Welcome back guys, whale = 1/2 concierge for me compared to other games. For star citizen comparisons, definitely above concierge level.

[@Schimyping]

The only ships I've purchased with real money are the base package ship, and then two other ships that I know I will need on demand for sustained gameplay. I have a Cutter (base package/ exploration), I have a Hornet (for combat or bounties), and I have a Connie Taurus (for cargo). Everything else I've purchased with in-game credits

[@adamclay2161]

If you’ve got $1000 in monthly subscriptions, CIG should award a ship for free. Ppl have hit thousands invested in the project through monthly subscriptions alone at this point.

[@jowlazra7472]

You guys are the only content creators talking about time poor gamers. If one can real world, work almost unlimited hours and skip parts of the game, they will. Even if it’s eBay gold or pay to play with orgs. Not just buying ships.

[@AccidentalFriendlyFire]

The first time I heard the term "whale" in this context it was with Mass Effect 3 multiplayer, when I found out there were people who had dropped $15,000 - in one transaction - on buying Bioware points for more loot boxes. And that was well after I'd begin spending on SC.

[@AccidentalFriendlyFire]

I can't read it so I don't know if Space Tomato misspoke about Starfield, but if it's on there it can't be from 2015 because the game wasn't announced until November 2018.

[@AccidentalFriendlyFire]

My buy-in from when I heard of the project was under $10 per month; at this point I'm still under $15 a month, which is by far the most common subscription for any MMO out there.

[@AccidentalFriendlyFire]

I told my son when he began playing that we wouldn't play SC if we had less than an entire morning or afternoon to play because it takes an hour to get together and start, even from the same location.

[@rjohn769]

Wow that Space Tomato poll was like 4 months ago. This was recorded a good while ago.

[@EasytheGoon]

They've said they had some prerecorded ones in the bank to put out when they couldnt.

[@rjohn769]

@@EasytheGoon oh, I totally understand. They should enjoy the UK rn. It's more that I remembered the poll :')

[@algared6131]

We have a swag of episodes in the bank. Kind of needed them in the end.

[@AlexisK]

This conversation is hilarious. So many different ways to discuss how a whale is not a whale if it was gradual. TROLLOLOLOL

[@BrocKelley]

I do always find it a bit funny when content creators with half a dozen different revenue streams and multiple aspects of their content in some way locked behind those revenue streams talk about the moral ambiguity of gaming content delivery pipelines for profit. This, sadly isn't new ground for CIG, but it's also not new ground for content creators. And just like Algared said, I don't have to give SC money, just like I don't have to give content creators money. The same whales that support this projects development are the whales putting food in content creators mouths. I do struggle to see the difference between the two honestly. And, if you gave a company over a few hundred dollars for a video game, you're a whale, period.

[@TheK9music]

Within SC there really aren't that many creators with paygated content though right?

[@BrocKelley]

@@TheK9music Absolutely right. Compared to other games and other forms of content, no. But over the last decade, most of the SC content creators I've watched have had some form of content that required or incentivized spending money.

[@charliemcawesome5012]

It’s not pay gates…. But they expect us to view the contents and almost ALL want us to become “members” by donating monthly.

[@AlbertoMartinez765]

Exactly Mr Space Tomato recenctly started having his Wife shoot him w a nerf Gun for Money..I mean Dude your a giant shill yourelf Go Look in a Mirror. Freaking hypocrite.

[@IdAefixBE]

Not here to defend WoW, but it's 15$ per month (not 20) and is an actual game that has remained P2W free until like, 10 years after 1.0 release. On the other hand, Star Citizen is a 55$ (did you all miss that base packages are 55$ now ?) minimum scam that has already sold hundreds of millions worth of pay-to-win content a decade BEFORE its 1.0 release. Also could you please quit calling us "customers". The TOS make it very clear that we aren't considered as "customers" but simply as "donators". Which basically means that CIG denies any form of customer right for us and any legal responsibility to ever actually deliver anything for them. Which is also quite the red flag by itself if you ask me.

[@sevilnatas]

Just pondering the money that a "top whale" might put in and then add those top whales up together, compared to CIG's total revenue, whales probably don't even show up on the radar, from a revenue perspective.

[@rotccoyote1]

Great video. I'm about $2500+ in, and don't consider myself a whale anymore after watching this. But my story is the same; started with a connie package in 2016 and it grew. To me, the ships are a bonus, and i try to buy wisely, but what i am really paying for is the experience that i would like to have with my friends someday, and maybe my kids. I know it isn't a one and done thing, will still happily contribute, but maybe more conscientiously after the pioneer. Will let whales be whales.

[@swiftbow2110]

My last purchase was the Corsair concept sell in whatever year that was and I have not bought anything since. At this point I would not award CIG with any more of my money until 1.0 release. Although a medium tier Salvage ship would make tempt me hard 😅.

[@cicio7777]

I cant wait for my Polaris, multicore vulkan and 4.0 to hit live in PU!

[@DarkdsidedGamer]

Someone saying they own every ship to support the project is a HUGE cope. Be like me pre ordering a fantasy game and paying for total campaign completion "to support the project" before the game releases.

[@baremetalmafia]

What happens to a family man that is “time poor AND money poor”? What about us? What about people that want to EARN in game for the experience and don’t want to just pay.

[@BS-cz6tw]

You answered your own question. Earn in game.

[@DaRealDrama24]

RIP Algared

[@demonicsquid7217]

Rest In Polaris?

[@algared6131]

RIP?

[@robertocanales1201]

Simple economics: CIG is a company that´s growing fast and has to pay a lot of bills, they are not human benefactors. Nobody likes to lose money, CIG either. They offer their product, and if you like it you pay whatever amount you want/can, because you put more value on CIG product than the value you put in your money, so everybody wins. I put money in this project because SC is the best game in its genre and I really enjoy it, bugs and all. o7

[@igamewhenimbored7696]

If you spend over the minimum amount required for game access, you're a whale, if even a tiny one. Simple and straightforward. 🐳

[@TheDestroyer702]

I feel like everyone looks at the P2W like the game is a spreadsheet. SC is all about the experiences you have and the gameplay you have access to. It’s not about the numbers

[@rtek777]

@35:00 , as cool as a player/crew finder system will be in theory, in reality, no one is going to trust it. It's like medical beacons, you pop one, you have a 75% chance that you're going to get killed and looted. I can see bringing in randos to help man your ship and end up with a mutiny, you getting spaced out of an airlock while they fly away with your ship.

[@CitizenScott]

🍅

[@baremetalmafia]

Interesting how many more subs ST has vs Inforunners and their respective views on the game itself.

[@jsullivan649]

Altered Carbon is the show you’re talking about, also they should just rip off the bandaid and copy eve, just give us clones

[@zaydizzle]

whales throwing so much cash at CR before any results were shown inflated his ego to where he truly believes he can do no wrong

[@gergenskits3940]

well, I just wanted the GOLD Armor. Just kidding. when I started SC I was NOT very well off, but I was still spending probably about $100 a month scattered between a few hobbies, mostly gaming related. it was a sacrifice to break the piggy bank for a $45 Mustang Starter pack. but the mustang sucked (in 2018) so bought an Aurora ES for $20 and it sucked. and the only thing that kept me in the game was my org of friends were people I wanted to game with, even if the game sucked. one of them told me how I could melt the ES and use the $ to CCU the Mustang to a Titan.(which you could at the time without spending another cent) and with the Titan I suddenly loved the game. for a few months I then started doing $5 or $10 a month CCUs. once I had a Cutty I realized I was not playing any other games. so I soon migrated that $100/ hobby allowance to the game, and pretty soon was a whale.

[@Kiyomoto657]

I want ships. If the game gets funded that’s just a happy coincidence.

[@CosmicD]

I want to see this game succeed so I always grow my investment by melting or upgrading ships that I am interested in. I don’t buy the capital ships, but utilitarian ships like the vulture, Apollo, dev: they are all mine.

[@DeviDaylight]

I'd call a whale owning half or all the ships in store.

[@novalis791]

Tomato wants to make a living playing games and making videos - yet he continually comes on to negate Chris Robert's options for players to pledge ships (early) or earn in game. How is that not trolling when he's taking donations for his channels instead of the money going to game development?

[@AlbertoMartinez765]

I know he is kind of a Hypocrite hes even gone the lazy route /gimmick of hey Guys Pay money and I'll have My Wife come into the room and shoot me w a Nerf Gun Live on Stream!! Money Money MONEY BUY My Merch!!

[@daftdigit]

I don't feel like a "backer". I came in at 3.18 and I paid for a game. I guess since I'm newer, It feels wired to call myself a backer. since I never backed anything. I paid for what I saw and not for what it could be. I also may be a concierge

[@charliemcawesome5012]

Should have read all the text and read the part where you put the checkmark BEFORE hitting purchase.

[@daftdigit]

@@charliemcawesome5012 I'm not gonna let some "checkmark" text tell me how to feel lol.

[@lystic9392]

Did you know it was still incomplete and very buggy at the time?

[@daftdigit]

@@lystic9392 I still enjoying it

[@lystic9392]

@@daftdigit Good ^__^ I was just curious how much you knew before you jumped in.

[@jmcorp8021]

i really hope i can give my npc crew the red shirts LOL

[@AtlasRandGaming]

Whate has to be at least $25k... there are so many of us at $50-100k that its silly calling someone who hasn't put in at least the value of an IRL car into the game a whale. Get some rest guys! you both look exhausted! Much like AlgaredI have every ship in the game and some I have 10 of.

[@kthy0056]

😑 I genuinely hope you are joking ...

[@leoncantwelliii7946]

He is not.

[@zaydizzle]

too each their own but an argument can be made that blindly giving them so much money without results is a major reason the game is in the state it's in and not in a good way. due to yours and ppl like you enthusiasm CR ego grew bigger then the grinchs heart lol the man thinks he can do no wrong now so thanks I guess

[@AtlasRandGaming]

@@zaydizzle Totally agree... many bad decisions were made by CIG because $ was coming in too easily... I'm not spending a dime more after what I saw at CITIZENCON

[@charliemcawesome5012]

They never sold the F7A to this day. It was available if you participated and succeeded in an in game event. The only ship that remotely fits the “said wouldn’t sell” tripe is kinda the F8A. And even then they’ve only sold the F8C. Not the same thing, yes looks like it, but it isn’t.

[@xinleitang-o3h]

They did sell the mk1skin for 20usd in 2013.

[@skyler1997kling]

One of my discord friends recently started playing Lil b4 invictice and they spend over 2000 in the first month of playing. But I've been playing 3 4 years and I'm at 3000 ish on my acount. I'd rather play for my ships than buy them in game

[@EasytheGoon]

i would like to hear your thoughts now that they said crew NPCs probably wont be in 1.0. How do you think they will change things so it doesn't take an hour to get started without agent smithing?

[@charliemcawesome5012]

Get teammates. Then you don’t have to “Agent Smith”.

[@EasytheGoon]

@@charliemcawesome5012 what if your team mates are 4 systems away?

[@leoncantwelliii7946]

I would really like to hear this as well. Many of us bought fleets worth of ships thinking we could crew them either ourselves and augmented with ai crew, or that we just needed a handful of friends to make an ai crewed ship fully viable. 1.0 is potentially 5+ years away. Can anyone here really expect us to keep buying these ships and funding the project if we know it will be 5+ more years on top of the 12 or so we have already had to wait before we can viable fly these ships???

[@charliemcawesome5012]

Whoa. Tomato is wrong about space superiority or spawn ability. Just like he says….. buy it in game. I have issue with his argument. And I don’t know if he has a full time job but I have this thing called “disposable money”. And I don’t make videos and play a game for a living having all the time in the world to make in game money and preach about “whales”. So because I work ridiculous amounts of overtime and have disposable income, I can trade my services for a cool ship that I don’t have time to work for in the game. And support the game too.

[@JL-rj9fl]

I like to evaluate everything in life by this statement: "how much is my time worth?" I don't have the time to grind either. I pledge to get the game made and focus on what I enjoy the most.

[@Em.P14]

it definetly creeped up on me and i was shocked when i got the message that i reached concierge, and from then on, it kept on going slowly over time. now im over 6 in and i know i fucked up. i somewhat regret parts of it but if it ends up funding the game of our dreams... at least it was for a good cause. Although they need to go back HEAVILY on the speeds in master modes, they are just faar to casual on them

[@ElianaSegelski]

Full whale full support no entitlement and no shame 😂 just a little bit…!

[@durtyred86]

Lol nothing against Space Tomato, I follow and enjoy his content, but he's the absolute last person I'd want to hear on the topic of whales, concierge or ship buying in general. The guy hates the funding model with a passion. 😂 And when the topic moves to ship purchase, he's either drawing blanks because it's out of his realm of interest, or he's visibly agitated on the topic as a whole. For the last 5+ years that I've followed him, he's ALWAYS been like this. It's just not his jam.

[@CitizenScott]

Sounds like exactly the right kinda differing perspective to bring onto this channel for this topic.

[@durtyred86]

@CitizenScott if I hate clowns and you sit me down to talk about them, you can't expect for that topic to be interesting at length. And you definitely shouldn't expect me to know a lot about them. I'm going to draw blanks and say "ugh...idk" many, many times. Because it's not an interesting topic to me so you shouldn't expect me to entertain the idea.

[@CitizenScott]

@@durtyred86 Terrible analogy TBH. Not at all accurate, or even analogous really. This discussion is SC development related, Tomato is an SC content creator who follows development closely, and he had plenty of substance to contribute about the topic over the course of the hour. Seems like you just disagree, so you don't want to hear it. Common closed-minded mentality. Personally, I don't really agree with him here either, as I see every person as making a voluntary choice to spend every penny they do, but I still found it an interesting conversation, especially between him and the "buy big, earn down" guys. One that opens the door to more questions regarding the nature of marketing itself, the definition of "predatory," and the ethics of crowdfunding generally. I guess maybe it's true what they say? If you're bored, then you're boring.

[@durtyred86]

@CitizenScott it's a terrible analogy to say believe individuals who don't care about s specific topic, shouldn't really talk at length about it?? Alright. Space tomato has said on several streams that he doesn't care to talk about ship purchasing in the least bit. In some cases, you can visibly see it change his mood.... It's obvious he hates the funding model. Asking him on to talk about whaling seems like a bad choice. If the topic drifts from there, fine. But you can't expect a man to be vocally productive on a topic he honestly hates. You have your opinion on the matter and I have mines. Hope you enjoyed the show.

[@mica984662]

When they make shards they should put people with account values roughly the same. If that's possible.

[@igamewhenimbored7696]

This is an absolutely terrible idea lmfao

[@Chase_The_Calm_Gaming]

o7. Great stream

[@Ruutzy]

Welcome back 😊

[@Biter1975]

CIG have said there will be not NPC’s to help fly your ships when the game launches, and to say there will even be NPC to fly your ship is just speculation. Come on guys, you’re misleading your viewers.