What most people miss about the war in Ukraine

The conflict in Ukraine is more than just Russian aggression. It's deep historical roots are causing a modern-day struggle over what kind of country Ukraine should be. Vox's Amanda Taub explains.
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[@jaycubz1307]

1:44 This is not an actual historical map, it is a piece of alternate history from Deviantart. A small detail, but an important one.

[@hpermutation4439]

Bruh

[@nigeriannoah1664]

@@hpermutation4439 b r u h

[@tanzimi5518]

@Jokolo Peep this one

[@mememaker9309]

No more FORTNITE

[@SekBoost]

fairly irrelevant but ok

[@gordonf5553]

great use of that alternate history map at 1:44

[@alfiehudson158]

lol

[@funfoxvlad7309]

Basarabia is Romania True, what???

[@beasttheboy]

Lol

[@hellofgaming2149]

@@funfoxvlad7309 brother Basarabia is an economical black hole, why on earth would anyone want it? Do you think that your country is reaby for that ecinomical/political/ethnic burden?

[@arifahmedkhan9999]

Soviets did hold the East turkestan as a protectorate. That was before 1949 when East Turkestan was actually an independent country.

[@GingerSnap97]

When it comes to language, it's not simply East-West linguistic division. The first thing is, in most cities all across Ukraine there is more Russian-speakers but there's more Ukrainian-speakers overall: Ukrainian dominates most of the rural area in Ukraine, including the Eastern perts. The second thing is that most Russian-speakers in Ukraine still identify themselves as ethnic Ukrainians: if you take Kyiv, the capital, for example, there's more than 80% Ukrainians, more than 70% of those who claim their mother tongue is Ukrainian but in fact you're much more likely to hear Russian in the streets of the city. And the last thing to take into consideration is that while there is a certain correlation between language and political views, there were also loyal Ukrainian-speaking members of pro-Russian Yanukovych government and actually a half of those who fight for Ukrainian side in the war on Donbas speak Russian. So you can't divide Ukraine into "Russian" and "Ukrainian" parts that easily: aside from natural transitional dialects between the close languages, they both mix and interact on every level. The language itself would never be the case if not for the polititians who preserved and highlighted the division for the sake of their political ambitions which came to extreme in the years of Yanukovych.

[@artemkurylo9274]

You're wrong and you know it. More people in Ukraine speak russian. Even if your suggestion that Ukrainian speakers dominate in the rural area (say that to Lugansk/Donetsk people) is correct, the level of urbanization of Ukraine is more than 70%.

[@greg3930]

He is right that Ukrainian patriotism recently does not depend on the language.

[@valikkh109]

Absolutely !!!

[@jean-marielapeine8624]

I'm ukrainian and he's right, the langage is a weapon used by Putin. For exemple in Ireland irish people speak english but try to tell them that england wants to protect english speakers and grab some territories lol

[@HopeRock425]

@@corensiagh as a Ukrainian I think that is better, our language is softer than other Slavic languages which is why this letter eventually split in to 2.

[@VisKnightJJ]

2:03 lol, crimea is estonian

[@PBMatNight]

BluBot hahhahaha

[@bogdanseljanko8278]

Kriim on Eesti maa!

[@CJ-dx4mq]

Lmao

[@newyorkmapper3281]

Dunkler hahahaha

[@JamesJamesW]

lol

[@klempaijozef]

so basically... international law matters only when it fits US interests.

[@ForeverRepublic]

+The Big Joe Yeah pretty much.

[@klempaijozef]

Aaron Kappel hmm... no doubt it will be hard for Russia and China, but I wouldn't burry them yet ;)

[@kenny_boii]

+The Big Joe Why? They'll just undermine the US economically. Look at steel or Solar. Europe's industries can't compete on either. Then the infrastructure gets bought up. Once that's happened well it's already over.

[@klempaijozef]

Ken Morgan that's maybe true, but you can't forget that evil empire (us) is the biggest economy in the world still... it won't be easy for anyone to compete with them.. but another huge crisis is incoming, so who knows...

[@klempaijozef]

***** you know it Joe.

[@MindzEnt]

Russian involvement in Ukraine has everything to do with strategic locations, if you think Putin is doing this for the sole benefit of the people you're sadly mistaken.

[@piret123698745]

+Red Menace does Murica do this "for the sole benefit"? LOL

[@skuterixas91]

+Red Menace exacly it's a strategic location for russia nothing more

[@vladnikolaev1558]

+Red Menace Putin does it for the benefit of the people. When Ukraine was on the verge of energy collapse in the middle of the winter it was the Russian government who sent tons of coal in order to prevent people from suffering. The Ukraine government however said they bought the coal on other markets. American involvement however is sure not for the benefit of the people. With the puppet government in Kiev now ready to sign EU integration and NATO access. We all know what it's all about. Russian aggression my ass, it is USA that is aggressive in Ukraine.

[@eksiarvamus]

+Vlad Nikolaev Puppet government in Kiev... Well done Vlad, you proved to be a victim of Kremlin propaganda.

[@vladnikolaev1558]

+eksiarvamus Please Obamabot stop it. With the Maidan protests in Kiev, EU officials came there to support those thugs and then Mccain seated in the seat of the Ukrainian president ''lecturing'' everone on democracy. And what a coincidence, the son of Joe Biden became suddenly head of the Ukriane gas company. And in the news calling the western part, pro-EU, the eastern pro-Russian. Why not call the western part pro Ukraine? This is pure occupation and it won't last for long.

[@YusufNasihi]

No mention of the status of Crimea either in modern times or during Soviet times?

[@MrDannyk123]

+TheAbsoluTurk To be fair they could have done an entire video on how Crimea is basically a Russian territory but yeah, you're right, it should at least be considered a factor. The video also fails to mention other things, such as NATO expansion, which regardless of your opinion, is a factor in Putin's decision making.

[@patricklundstrom8376]

+MrDannyk123 How is it Russian territory?

[@MrDannyk123]

Patrick Lundström Firstly, it is most definitely not Ukrainian, multiple referendums (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimea#Autonomous_Republic_within_Ukraine_.281991.E2.80.932014.29) show this. Secondly, I could go into how Crimea has been a strategically important place for Russia for centuries but I don't have time for that: all you need to know is that the Ukrainian & Russian governments agreed to this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_Treaty_on_the_Status_and_Conditions_of_the_Black_Sea_Fleet which included Russian use of several facilities, as well as their main base in Sevastopol until 2017. Lastly, there are the people themselves, which I'm sure you've heard about. So the fact it was Ukrainian territory in the first place is highly debated and if the vast majority of it's population are happy with the current situation, then I don't see a problem.

[@patricklundstrom8376]

MrDannyk123 You idiots really need to study international law...Clown.

[@MrDannyk123]

Patrick Lundström So, instead of engaging with the facts, you choose to dismissively turn away. Shame. It's this that is the precise problem with geopolitics right now. Unable to face the facts and hypocrisy...

[@yarkoshum1432]

I'm ukainian and i might not like every statement in this video, but in general, this is pretty accurate way to explain, really complicated situation and processes in Ukraine we got now, in just a few words

[@sergeykish]

Does it explain Girkin? I speak both languages, I hardly believe anyone wants to fight war because of Russian, except maybe Russian language chauvinists.

[@AlexanderShamov]

@@sergeykish There is something about cultural and even purely symbolic issues that that make them far more influential in politics than they should be from a rational perspective. I think one can draw a parallel between this situation and people in the US who chose to support Trump for cultural reasons, like being fed up with the woke nonsense.

[@ilyal5712]

@@sergeykish If nobody wants to fight for Russian, then allow Russian as a second state language - it will fix 50% of problem. It will save lives of Ukrainians.

[@sergeykish]

@@ilyal5712 Ukraine is a democracy state. I am Russian speaking Ukrainian and I am against occupants language as a second state language. Russian speaking Donetsk and Lugansk occupied. Where are you from?

[@ilyal5712]

@@sergeykish Ukraine is democratic state. As civilized country it makes sense to have second language. We have half of country's population speak Russian. You could walk by Khreschatik and find out the majority of pedestrians speaks Russian. I am from Kharkov.

[@t3553ract]

Although most of what's been said in the video is valid and unbiased, I would like to stress a a couple of important things: - speaking Russian is not equal to being Russian ethnically or culturally; there's actually quite a large portion of Russian-speaking people from the east of Ukraine that feel very strongly about their Ukrainian identity, considering Ukrainian as their native language even though speaking Russian most of the time. - this divide mentioned in the video is a bit exagerrated; it does exist, but is not as pronounced and crucial as one may think; actually, for many years it was artificially intensified by unscrupulous politicians to obtain personal dividends in the form of being elected. - separatist sentiments do exist in Donbas and in the Crimea, but, again, it's hard to say how the situation would develop without Russian interference; it's quite possible it wouldn't go beyond protests and a peaceful solution.

[@RobertSmith-cx2zh]

The majority of the east voted for a pro Russia president

[@gwendolyn7015]

Thank you sir.. I'm using your views on my project 😊🙏 I guess I'm allowed to do that😅

[@HisEarth6005248]

Here is a better title: *What Americans miss about the war in Ukraine*

[@user-hc7qb6zy5x]

Wow look at me I just made such a woke statement now give me likes

[@egito9930]

Lacrou mana

[@L0RDK3Y]

There are many other people around the world that don’t know about the conflict

[@sportall9317]

I honestly feel sorry for ur incompetence.

[@corey2232]

It's a 3 minute video, from 5 years ago, just trying to provide some quick extra info for people to consider. That's it. Yet people complain & expect every little detail of a long, complex, geopolitical conflict to be detailed? The entire rest of KZbin & the internet exist for a reason... If you're THAT interested, do your own research instead of expecting a documentary in 3 mins.

[@mrpotatomanboii3237]

hmmm

[@unbekanntchamela647]

0:12 nice a german ww2 tank with a russia flag

[@mehicantaco4757]

That is a Czech tank adopted by the Wehrmacht.

[@balijaa]

I tought same Pz 38t

[@balijaa]

@@mehicantaco4757 Thats Pz 38t that Germans donated to Slovaks

[@wojtek1582]

@Sim Nik Rather something modern like T-80 or t-90

[@mihali_lifts]

@@balijaa Stalin has spoken

[@FnRnMr]

Even though I agree with most of things said, as a person that's comes from the eastern part of the country I can say that it's not like one half wants this and the other wants that. More and more cities abandon pro-russian movements and try to stick to the west. It's only like a few towns in the very east support Russia, the ones that at occupied. The end of the video where the country appears divided into 2 parts is not really the real picture.

[@BGVassil]

Fudi People don't change their political ideologies in less than a year with out someone suppressing them. What part of eastern Ukraine do you live in may I ask?

[@catalinaga]

BGVassil are you stupid? civilians have been dying thanks to Russia's war, why the hell would they still be supporting Putin?

[@radikusmanov7574]

catalinaga You don't need to restore the Mongol Empire. You never left it.

[@catalinaga]

Radik Usmanov lol you don't even know where I'm from and even if I was mongol i'd be proud they kicked your ass... and everyone else.

[@jamegumb7298]

Radik Usmanov Current Russia is indeed the Mongol Empire., In fact, Russian language started in Bulgaria and the Russian state as an entity started with Kievan Rus, currentday Ukraine. Most of Russia is Asian and many Russians look Mongol or Chinese. Ever seen Siberians?

[@bananatube6004]

There's very little news on the conflict

[@kareemshaban867]

Ikr

[@almanalshameri9840]

Of course cause if it was about a Muslim country you would see the whole news channels talking about it

[@Austintation]

At first glance I thought this was saying 'what most people miss' as in longing, or nostalgia, but then I got to the end of the sentence

[@sportall9317]

this isn't really something that people miss more something media outlets try to entertain to get views. Just because they speak Russian have Russian views don't mean they are Russian. They are Ukrainian… since the land was given to them by Russia.

[@agentsmidt3209]

You can't put the words "wrong" and "right" in the same sentence as "international law". We all know "international law" is what Washington says.

[@micahj.donaldson7902]

ok

[@antoniolewis1016]

No, no it isn't.

[@darthmortus5702]

Kosovo good, Crimea bad. Why? Because we said so.

[@agentsmidt3209]

Antonio Lewis You are naiive to think otherwise.

[@agentsmidt3209]

Antonio Lewis "The fact that America's foreign policy is de facto international law" ---So why did you say I was wrong then? What are laws if no one can enforce them? BTW , yes international laws have been around since the 40s remind me again which country was instrumental in shaping up those laws? All those big international agencies are arm wings of the state department really. They can play lip service and call the U.S out when we violate those "paper laws" but all countries basically cow-tow to Washington.

[@anethum2079]

Wow, good that you mentioned russification.

[@KommandoCraftLP]

Make Crimea Greek again!

[@wouldyouliketomeetkenbamba9495]

Make Greece Hittite and Phoenic again.

[@etherealkraken2662]

Make Greece not broke again!

[@ProximaHydra]

after South and Nord Amrica become indian again

[@inbuckswetrust7357]

Greek are our brothers. No problem, after CypRus :)))

[@qaboosmintaka5337]

Make Crimea Tatar again!

[@antonleimbach648]

This completely fails to mention the fact that a Russian fleet is harbored at Sevastopol. This is Russia's only mainland port that has a link to the Med.

[@brendangallagher1124]

You should google "Kuban" ... geography is not so mystifying as it may seem.

[@levoGAMES]

+Brendan Gallagher iirc Russia does not have a naval base in that region, and they had contracts with Ukraine to use the Sevastopol base. Ukraine threatened to disregard the contracts and disallow Russians on Ukrainian territory, which would not allow access to the naval base. Even if Russia technically could build a new one, it would be expensive, take a long time and would still ignore the fact that Ukraine broke the contract.

[@levoGAMES]

***** Don't know anything about Indonesian bases in Hawaii, but if the US tried to occupy the base and restricted access, yes, an intervention would be justified.

[@levoGAMES]

***** I don't know enough about that to judge.

[@levoGAMES]

***** Yeah, but a good research takes some time. I don't really care much about that conflict, so why waste my time researching it.

[@Kyle_Bell]

This aged like milk

[@thanhavictus]

It's true still though. There's a reason why they're not taking it down. And it perfectly explains why Russia is doing what they're doing, and it gives human motivation for what they actually want.

[@user-nj4pd8ye1i]

@@thanhavictus the amount of ppl here saying this vid is true AND who obv haven't spoken to a single Ukrainian in their lives just shows that ppl can be bullshited abt anything

[@BogdanGusiev]

I am from Crimea and my wife is from Lugansk (probably the city with the largest separatism movement). Here is our family opinion: Regions that want to be independent from Kiev are seeking for another more rich patron to feed them: same situation in criteria and the east Ukraine. These are the most depressed and subsided regions. The level of education and culture there is the lowest in entire country. From the economy stand point, their independence is impossible. "Cultural, Linguistics and Economical differences" really existed in president election in 2010. But in 5 year our country made a great progress in reaching the compromise. In the most recent presided election, the country was more united than ever where current president got 54.7% of votes while his most successful opponent got only 12.8%. That is a huge a progress in the development of the national goals and priorities. I am a Russian native speak and I've never been discriminated in any part of the country. Russian in ex USSR is like English in the world. Any educated person in Ukraine speaks 3 languages: Russian, Ukrainian and English. People I know that felt that that Russia is more convenient place to live just moved there without asking Russia to come and take them. Right now, these differences are just a cover for stupidity and inability to resolve conflicts by people that prefer a war over a dialog. Fortunately, there are only 3 regions left where such people take majority of population. And that's also for a reason: USSR was a terrible place that devastated humanity and culture of people who leaved there. You can see the confirmation of this fact by comparing the cultural and economic level to the number of year country spent as USSR member. There is a clear trend that - than less you were in USSR than better for you.

[@indycoon]

I would say that people who joined Maidan movement were seeking for another more rich patron to feed them. People who want to be with Russia are much more reasonable. They don't dream about 3000 euro salaries, they work and understand that their market is Russia, not Europe where they have overproduction. 3 years with EU have proven that good enough. EU doesn't want to buy anything from Ukraine. When Ukraine refused to cooperate with Russia, it was a big mistake.

[@BogdanGusiev]

Everyone is seeking for high salaries, it just depends on how you want to get them. Crimea and Lugandonia (regions currently occupied by russia) are the poorest in Ukraine and probably in Europe. Most of those don't work at all and are not planning to. Russia is a place where they search for easy money from over-profit from oil. In EU you have to work hard to get those 3k EUR.

[@indycoon]

Bogdan Gusiev, apparently you are a brainwashed ukrainian if you use words like Lugandonia. Why not check real stats if you want to know which part was poorest or more industrial or more educated. You'd be surprised. EU doesn't need anything from Ukraine, so dreams about those 3k EUR are just dreams. Unfortunatelly stupid peasants from Western Ukraine were used to kill the ukrainian state. EU wanted Ukraine as a market and a source of cheap resources, that's all. US wanted them for their military bases and in order to stop military cooperation between Russia and Ukraine. There were no altruists who wanted to help ukrainian people. You know it very good if you are a clever person.

[@BogdanGusiev]

You tell too much about me by a single word. You'd better avoid that. It sounds offensive. I did see the stats. I am not sure you did. See them here: ru.tsn.ua/groshi/naibolee-dotacionnymi-regionami-ukrainy-priznany-kiev-i-donbass.html. EU needs ukraine as a shield against Russia. Russia government needs Ukraine to ensure that there is someone living poor to please it's people proud of their success. I don't have any illusions regarding any altruistic reasons from both sides. US needs Ukraine to show their power world wide. So from those 3 reasons I would pick EU and US as more interested in making Ukraine stronger. Russia is not interested in that at all.

[@indycoon]

Lugandonia really sounds offensive. so this word tells a lot about you. EU and US only want to use Ukraine as a tool (or even cannon-fodder)against of Russia while Russia and Ukraine are useful for each other and there was a mutual benefit in our cooperation. Also Russia is interested to see Ukraine stable while US is interested to create a zone of chaos in order to waken Russia and separate Russia from Europe. US politics tell about it openly. Search Stratfor George Friedman for example.

[@vronz]

that's a German ww2 panzer 38 t

[@sartiusthor7891]

Czechoslovakian*

[@thepigmaster8193]

It's not german, but yeah

[@cityassassin]

38 was Czechoslovakian.

[@vronz]

Thepigmaster it was used by the german

[@thepigmaster8193]

DarklordZ Yes but the tank itself wasn't German. Atleast not the original design

[@RohanSingh-zc4bm]

This aged really well

[@TheGgziri]

Can you please make same video about Georgia? 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 We need it

[@awdey]

But not like than. We are as Ukrainians not agree with a huge amount of this vid. If someone gonna say than is Georgia's territory wasn't occupied by Russia in 2008 you as Georgians can get an indulgence for slapping that person in a face.

[@jorisdietz7820]

Wow, the video animations are just very good, and I have also learned some things. Good job!!

[@abcd123906]

Interesting title. At first glance, it looks like "what people longingly remember with fondness about the war that used to be going on"

[@brettplayford9808]

Great vid, love it.

[@danielburkeodonoghue7478]

mmhh, sounds like northern ireland

[@Zombehnation1001]

Daniel Burke O Donoghue Not really tho

[@danielburkeodonoghue7478]

Zombehnation1001 only the whole settlement and murdering the whole native population with effects that are still evident today......

[@Zombehnation1001]

Daniel Burke O Donoghue Well I guess so, since Russians we're democratically denied their rights by the Maidan coup and forced to live in a country they didn't identify with, much like Irish Nationalist communities.

[@danielburkeodonoghue7478]

Zombehnation1001 exactly. Especially after the border commission where ireland thought that they would receive more counties in the north that were heavily catholic. But 2/3 on the commission were pro British so that was fair.....

[@s.g.3042]

Daniel Burke O Donoghue *Not quite Northern Ireland... Ireland was conquered by the angles & saxons a.k.a. germanic tribes from the main land! The Irish celts & and the englishmen are therefore not even the same ethnic nations. But the russians and ukrainians are. Ukraine IS even a part of Russia since ever! Even the very first capitol of RUSsia in 900 a.d. (over 1000 years ago!) was... - Kiev, which is now capitol of the fake "state" of Ukraine!*

[@Rerbun]

Very interesting! Thanks for the explanation!

[@Rerbun]

Dude relax are you really that surprised that I believe(d) this video? I have no idea how I would research about this and find out the real story. It's hard to find history that is relevant to this issue and I'm not a lie detector. Feel free to summarize it for me if you wouldn't mind.

[@DavidJGillCA]

***** Vox has no reason to misjudge the facts and seems accurate and objective for the most part. I don't think the makers of this video would disagree with you feeling that the division is not that great, but agitators in the east that are pro-Russian make a lot of trouble with Moscow's support. When the media reports on a conflict they report the views of each side in the conflict despite the fact that both viewpoints are rarely equally valid.

[@589bluescaledragon]

David J Gill vox does mislead and it is very subtle. Using words like pro Russian or even separates makes paints a narrative on its own. You can't sum up this conflict in a 3 min video because there is just way to much information to take account starting from the very beginning. But in my opinion and just mine if a country is this divided then brake away states should have every right to claim there on sovereignty. So the war would stop the propaganda has gotta so bad it's hard to tell the truth. If the east wish to stay with Russia let them if Kiev to the west/eu let it be. This might be the chance that russia and the eu could work closely to find common ground Thur this Avenue. I'm not an expert and I am also extremely high rite now. But it makes sense to me

[@smr144]

Иван Попов LoL!!!

[@sasha9245]

Let me start from that I am Ukrainian. I am from the region which according to this video tends towards Russia, however in reality people are against such a friendship. The main point of the video is based on the historical language difference, however there are countries where people speak several languages and are OK with that, e.g., Switzerland. I find that this a very weak argument and a whole video is simply a work of armatures which have no idea what is going on.

[@digriz85]

As a Ukrainian from Dnipro I double that.

[@realperson6713]

You guys have to wake up. You're being controlled by western media and politics. You are all ethnic Russians, there is no this thing of "ukrainian ethnicity", you all speak Russian, are descendants of Russian heritage, and you two specifically are traitors of the mother nation. Want to be it? Go to Germany. Ukraine must be left for the Russians.

[@Gleifel]

Yeah it’s a very sort if “guh line on map” argument, in hindsight we’ve seen ukraine be very much united since the 2022 expansion of the prior 2014 invasion

[@icebergslim8926]

I never even understood the conflict but I do remember watching the fatal clash on the news but nobody even talked about it

[@HarrisonHollers]

Is there an updated video to fill-in the years since then to present day?

[@lllPlatinumlll]

THAT! That was what most people don't know... wow thanks for informing all of us dullards as to the obvious.

[@martynstusiak3471]

Yes there are dig diversity in Ukraine, BUT separatism would never start a war without support of Moscow, which they have for years and years long before Yanukovych came to power

[@samvodopianov9399]

The war begun because Kiev refused to let them go - Russia decided to take advantage of the sitiuation.

[@user-ut5ie6ji6r]

@@samvodopianov9399 Kiev had neither army nor political stable, so it didn't have enough power to resist russian aggression

[@rinsedpie]

Excellent info, excelldnt digital arts.

[@konoplin1]

greatly made video!

[@STEHH87]

What the Hell!! Greece was never part of the soviet union 1:47 !!!

[@aguskrylov3145]

+STEHH87 Neither Bulgaria or Hungary, is just a map showing the advance of communism after WW2.

[@STEHH87]

+Agus Krylov Greece is not even a slavic country mate, it was also never part of the Eastern Bloc Hungary and Bulgaria were... Greece was and is a NATO country...en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Bloc

[@STEHH87]

+Agus Krylov Also it was never a communist country either unlike Bulgaria and Hungary...

[@aguskrylov3145]

STEHH87 I was going to say that but i was too lazy to do it... anyways. Greece had a provisional communist-dominated goverment in free-greece, and had a civil war. I'm pretty sure that the map was set around 1945 (just look at occupied Iran, and part of China). Still, quite wrong ;). I don't see how they fit in the map, along with east Thrace (Part of Turkey,NATO). I guess they just painted east Europe in Red and leave it like that

[@STEHH87]

+Некто Ага Seriously? Here the intro from wiki: "...fought from 1946 to 1949 between the Greek government army, backed by the United Kingdom and the United States, and the Democratic Army of Greece (DSE), the military branch of the Greek Communist Party (KKE)..." This to me does not qualify as a communist country, especially NOT one to be named in the same breath as the whole eastern bloc which were communist for centuries...

[@thubuntu]

There are still a lot of things which are missed.

[@gasmaskboi6904]

This is very useful now

[@belialuedke1880]

Great. Thanks heaps. :D

[@JK_2998]

There are a lot of Putin supporters in here....

[@kirls7523]

Also a lot of Nato Obama retards

[@JK_2998]

Danklin Krem Indeed, both are just as bad as eachother

[@kirls7523]

Flying Spectacles actually i only meant obama

[@JK_2998]

Danklin Krem They're both warmongers, and deserve no respect.

[@kirls7523]

Flying Spectacles i disagree

[@SamRiesgo]

great work guys, love the Vox animations!!

[@awdey]

than is the one reason for loving them) History isn't their strong point

[@sohailtahir749]

great explained !!!. thanks

[@awdey]

This is so bad explain)) Really so bad and controversial! Please. check the info by your own) 🙏

[@poketuber9702]

You don’t need to miss it for much longer it’s coming back in 2021!

[@jakobpedersen8475]

Funny thing is though, that the west did EXACTLY the same thing, when they just out of nowhere accepted Kosovo's independence...

[@user-ut5ie6ji6r]

that's the different situation, you need better delve into this topic

[@sebastianolmsted2867]

The atrocities Serbia committed in Kosovo are unacceptable, no matter the political climate. Those actions alone justified Kosovo's claim to independence.

[@AlexLog]

this is 100% Putins playbook. blame nato for what they did and what fits his agenda

[@Debre.]

Nah that one was perfectly warranted, the Serbs were trying to ethnically cleanse the region before it became independent. In Crimea it was Russians that did ethnic cleansing, under Stalin, which is why there are so few Tatars left there nowadays.

[@rcv0]

@@user-ut5ie6ji6r what?

[@miss8306]

2022- will Vox take this video down?

[@thanhavictus]

Why? It's still 100% true

[@Mae-nr7wr]

@@thanhavictus "miss" probably thought supporting a no fly zone would end the war despite not even knowing what a no fly zone is, like half of america did a few months back

[@sheharyar9212]

Valid points

[@abazhey]

good job!

[@shameweliveinthe21stcentur28]

2:38 from then on forward you just explained why Kosovo isn’t a country. Hahaha, i love Americans they say one thing and do another

[@al-kosovi9985]

Kosovo is not the same do not bring up Kosovo as it hasnt been mentioned in the video.

[@user-ef8ni2gy6q]

молим те, обриши коментар

[@bibekanandahansda2926]

@Yaswant Jaiswal ehm what? You have an indian name and you're speaking on behalf of Kosovo?

[@thealphazoid]

Ukraine began its integration into EU in 2008, just after Russia initiated its trade sanctions against Ukraine in 2007. Russian trade sanctions were violations of numerous trade agreements and CIS itself. In this way Russia made a clear message about the worth of its promises. Again that message was repeated when Russia violated Budapest Memorandum and Belavezha Accords

[@patricklundstrom8376]

+thealphazoid Russians lying? Noooo...

[@BountyFlamor]

+thealphazoid The Russians agreed to never impose sanctions on Ukraine to pressure its politics and in exchange Ukraine turned in its nukes. They signed a treaty for that and Russia violated it.

[@Mocsk]

+BountyFlamor oh, so not this (unratified) memorandum contains something about sanctions? What's next, "Russia promised 50 billion dollars to Ukraine in exchange for it's nukes"?

[@user-bu8wx3be6k]

Those agreements were dealed with legitimate power of Ukraine, not some street coup shit paid by US.. No offense. Historically, after the coup most of countries just broke up and today, Ukraine is obviously no exception.

[@thealphazoid]

Якуб Якуненко it wasn't a coup, but pretests of Ukrainian people that took place in all major cities, and just because executive power fled the country, it doesn't mean parliament became illegitimate. So please cut the crap. And second - go check on Yanukovych's financial schemes and how they effect us today. You should know better before you speak out.

[@leacox9814]

how can we hear your voice with music in background?

[@robanson32]

I just want to point out that the tank we see in the intro to the video clip is Czech tank used by the Germans during WW2.... Good job Vox history

[@afrlf1league193]

KZbin has a dark sense of humor

[@AAmirkhanov]

This sounds like the work of someone who has done a lot of academic research but who has very little experience on the ground.

[@sportall9317]

I think what people are forgetting is the fact Russia gave them the land. If they hadn't done that no problem would still be their land. If NZ say 'incredibly hypothetically'' were to take over Malaysia ppl would not be saying the same.

[@ggustav11]

Do you guys have any soruce for all of this? Thank you.

[@HanZhang1994]

Thank you for explaining the matter instead of oversimplifying it to "good guy vs bad guy" scenario like channels such as testtube do.

[@cryangsu]

when your watching this in 2022:

[@hondansx2636]

lol Vox's map at 1:46 is a map from Devianart that's Alt-history LMAO just goes to show how much of a joke Vox is.

[@GodzillaDestruction-xz3wr]

Omfg Lol your right

[@FaceD0wnDagon]

Whether or not this succeeds, it at least tries to be objective. I appreciate that.

[@elsharkone7]

Also you forgot to mention that prorussian folks are mostly 40+ years old, which means that they grew up in Soviet Union and have some kind of nostalgia for "good old days". On the other hand youth leans towards Europe. But overall this video is quite decent

[@Anarhistful]

i like it when she says "protest which led to the resignation of Yanukovich" instead of a coup.

[@vysokinskyi]

Amount of kremlinbots in this comment section is truly impressive

[@user-hs4dm9xq5e]

А ти думав? С такими довбойобами часом приходиться у коментах сратися... Тільки й знають про Сороса та ніби що він у змові з МВФ та міжнародними банками, а тому україною править хунта. Які ж придурки. До-речі, милий Кайдаш там у тебе))) Привіт з Вінниці! For all others: just telling how comments are filled sometimes with shitty conspiracy theorists.

[@julefmapper6143]

I really liked the presentator's way of speaking ! Who is she ? Certainly doesn't matter... What does is the thought behind it, and the conclusion of the video: Perfect shape; Perfect background. Definitely gets a like from me ! =D

[@watermelons311]

what programs do they use to make these videos

[@jayit6851]

The amount of Putin supporters on here is astounding.

[@sdaanviaegle]

OK in american yeh bu think Russia gave Crimea and dunbass Ukraine after ww2 Crimea and dunbass are seperating from Ukraine on there own decision Russia sees opportunity and trays to take crimea seeing as its a huge tactical spot bad us floats warships 300 miles off of st Petersburg its fine us has 800 military bases around he world its OK even if the country says no Russia has 2 both in allied countries bad u see man we call Russia aggressive and they just want to mind there own buissiness us is aggressive and we think people Luke us Noah no one likes us except south Korea Japan and Israel

[@rk91262]

Hi

[@kevinquinn4643]

So Americans wouldn't be defensive about Black Lives Matter? Or about the One Percent and street people? Or invading Iraq? Or 'doing' Libya? Or arming the Saudis? Or fomenting Syria and Ukraine? Or supporting Israel? Or even electing a black President - many Americans see that as a 'millennial' error.

[@Olegstuff21986]

Don't you worry, that number will only increase :).

[@laconically]

The amount of kids with tablets is astounding, doubling every two years. Kids are idiots, millions of them.

[@thefpvlife7785]

The best part of this video was the piano piece in the back round

[@Szellah7]

like when map from 1:19 was created to call it 18th century, 1796?

[@axelandersson6314]

0:13. Why a Pz 38 (a Czechoslovakian tank used by the german army in early WWII) with a modern Russian flag on it?

[@virusj216]

love how you use a Czech tank and put a Russian flag on it.

[@coastalcapybara]

Looks German.

[@tefky7964]

@@coastalcapybara I think that it is Pz 38 or what was his name. Czechoslovakian tank used by Germans in attack to Poland and France.

[@krzysztofzwolinski956]

0:45 You can see where Poland has been for a long time.

[@Eric-pj3hr]

Yes, you can see the region where are the most of Ukrainian-speaking people and nationalists, that want to protect their language and culture. Something that Poland always hated.

[@krzysztofzwolinski956]

@@Eric-pj3hr most of the time Ukraine It did not exist. There always was Poland or Russia, and also Rus folk. dividing Ukraine It results from ranges of cultures. Russian (Orthodox) and Polish, Lithuanian, European (Roman catholic).

[@krzysztofzwolinski956]

@@Eric-pj3hr goo.gl/images/PnbPjH goo.gl/images/7rMR68 Polish border and Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth.

[@Eric-pj3hr]

Krzysztof Zwoliński Ruthenian (Ukrainian) people are not Russian people, and Poles of that time were realizing that and these two nations were separated. Even if Ukrainians were called Ruthenians (Rusini in Polish), it doesn’t mean we didn’t exist. We had our own different language and culture, from Lviv to Kharkiv. I recommend you to read Polish books of that topic from XIX century. Everything is available for free on Google Books.

[@sergeykish]

@@krzysztofzwolinski956 Right logic, except Moscovia calls itself Russia. You state against facts, language of Ukrainian territories was different, in Russian Empire it was called "Малорусскій/Little Russian". Moscowy has stolen the name of the land, people found another one.

[@Yanquiteacher]

very good to see this all these years later....

[@Desh282]

Pretty accurate

[@Larkinchance]

Your report was informative but you left out the role of NATO (not to be confused with the EU) and Russian fears about the potential loss of the naval base in the Crimea. It is this that protects all of Southern Russia.and, Putin or no Putin, it is crucial to Russian security.

[@alexcheremisin3596]

Because NATO is just waiting for Russia to be weak to conquer it for money and profit and enslave its people! Those evil bastards!

[@sourcecode991]

lol

[@Larkinchance]

Human nature really doesn't change

[@zakhust6840]

@@alexcheremisin3596 Don't forget to wear your tin foil hat

[@alexcheremisin3596]

@@zakhust6840 I was being sarcastic that is what you would hear on the russian streets

[@redriverscout4404]

Points for at least trying to look beyond the headlines but there is alot missing here and some outright distortions. The will of the people in Crimea and Novorussiya is not okay or legal under international law but a US/EU coup d'etat in Kiev is? Also the bit about Holodomor is skewed and often used to justify nationalist and outright fascists today. Like somehow a famine over 70 years agojustifies basically skinheads taht worship nazi ally Stepan Bandera today. Also the historical links between Russia and Ukraine go back far further then the 18th century. Kiev Rus was what became the Russian Empire and was founded in Kiev about 1000 years ago. Also the use of Tymoshenko as an example of the "pro European" western Ukraine is funny since she is a Russian Ukrainian who could not even speak Ukrainian till she was in her 40s and has basically sold out her own people for power. And if some of what has been leaked about her has even called for the eradication of her own ethnic group. No mention that the western Ukrainian nationalism is not even Ukrainian and has ties back to the Austro Hungarian Empire and later Poland. Hell the modern Ukrainian flag was a Hapsburg regimental flag at one time.

[@ivanlagrossemoule]

+Red River Scout There was no US coup d'état, that's russian propaganda, plain and simple.

[@redriverscout4404]

ivanlagrossemoule Riiiight. And I suppose they faked the 5 billion dollars the US state department spent, and faked statements from the State Department, the US embassador to Ukraine, faked statements made in front of the US congress too? Come on. The only way anyone could believe what you are saying is if you only believe BS US propaganda their own government contradicts. Anyone with about 10 minutes time and an internet connection knows that what you are saying is nonsense. I suppose you will claim it is also complete coincidence that the Ukrainian leadership now was hand picked by Victoria Neuland and her cronies? Sorry but what you are saying is an insult to the intelligence of any thinking individual. Turn off CNN and actually learn something.

[@ivanlagrossemoule]

Red River Scout There's a difference between supporting something and actually being behind it. The rest is just pure conspiration garbage spread by Russia. I could also tell you to turn off RT and actually learn something too.

[@redriverscout4404]

ivanlagrossemoule The difference is what I said is backed by facts. What you said is backed by nothing but State Department press releases. RT might be biased (all news is) but at least they deal in reality. Whereas as near as I can tell Western press photo copies White House press releases and has not seen real journalists since the Pentagon Papers. Don't like Russian Press? Fine check out Russia Insider which is staffed by Westerners that created it in response the the absolutely pathetic coverage in the west of pretty much anything to do with Russia. To the point that as they often demonstrate western press even completely contradicts itself or simply ignores reality when it does not suit an agenda set out of the White House. It has gotten so bad that the only people in the US who even know anything about Russia like Stephen Cohen are demonized and ridiculed when they point out basic facts on the ground, basic history of the region and an actual knowledge of the countries in question. Former soviet dissident Edward Lozanzky has gone or record that US press on Russia is now worse then the media in the Soviet Union. That should make people pause. Back your claims with some actual evidence and you might have some credibility. Accusing anyone who presents inconvenient facts of being a conspiracy theorist is beyond childish and comical and again gives you a serious credibility deficit.

[@ivanlagrossemoule]

Red River Scout What you don't understand is that your "facts" don't say what you claim they do. This is the classical conspirationist way of thinking. You find something that could be a clue to your view, but might not be, and directly assume it perfectly confirms your view. What's also very classical is to reject US views, then jump right into whatever russian propaganda has to say. RT simply doesn't deal in facts. They find people with a certain opinion, that typically fits their views, and those become their facts. Those opinions don't need to be based on other facts at all, and can be absolutely ridiculous. But they don't care about that, they just want to pass their view along. Even Fox fucking News has the decency to interview people from opposing views (though they'll shut them up if needed). I searched for an article on Russia Insider on a subject russian propaganda loves, the F-35, and exactly like predicted, they spread some bullshit that was shown to be completely wrong. Great source of information there. In fact, google shows me a list of more idiotic articles of the likes. Looks like they aren't any better than RT. Russian medias are in no way any better than western ones, and certainly aren't any less biased when it comes to coverage of themselves. In fact, having been to Ukraine multiple times since the riots and war, I can confirm without a doubt that russian medias are much further from the truth on the general situation of Ukraine.

[@jamesflorez5867]

I have a question for you!! if your product is that good!! why do you not send it for test! with a reputable FDA?????

[@yiayyiay1352]

What

[@KeyWestGlenn]

hello do you have any warm water?

[@laughingleopard5226]

Very well rounded presentation of the issue. My only criticism is that the tank used in the beginning of the video is a Czechoslovakian tank, and not Russian.

[@thermalvision203]

+Ryan Martin What's even worst is that that's actually a version of the Czechoslovakian Pz. 35t that was developed by the Nazis called the Pz. 38t. The Nazis fought in a war against Russia! C'mon Vox! Do your research!

[@huethen5454]

+Tom Reese You guys are way too enthusiastic. But good to know.

[@laughingleopard5226]

Don't judge me lol.

[@Moonsabie]

that sounds exactly the same as what the English did to the Irish there like mirror images

[@Haaaksi]

Your map at 1:18 is from wrong era since Russification of Ukraine started on 1700s but Finland became part of Russian Empire at 1809 after the Finnish War.

[@connectedonline1060]

Peace

[@tusk3260]

finally someone that tells the truth and gets to the point you just earned my subscription

[@arsenii_yavorskyi]

+Joël LeMay , you'd better research this on your own, because the video has some critical misinformation at the end.

[@tusk3260]

i disagree with you

[@hyperenetical6984]

Actually, it's really inaccurate and misinforming, even in the beginning of the video you can see Ukraine own Taman', russian Pz38(t) (which was used during WWII by Wehrmacht),

[@hyperenetical6984]

@@tusk3260 misinformation about russification during Imperial times, usage of alternate history map from DeviantArt (on 1:44), and more mistakes

[@user-sy5gp4lw5g]

@@tusk3260 a Russian will always praise videos where there are "alternatives" to his villainy. "Thank you Vox"

[@Michael_Veritas]

Russian control of Crimea 1783-1954!

[@altarsaltars3559]

really appreciating your content! thanks a lot, vox staff

[@ruzzaruzza]

finally!!

[@Ero_Hentai]

Why sometimes people calling for independence is acceptable by the international laws and the international society and some times it is not? What depends if it is acceptable?

[@Ero_Hentai]

Is it simply the fact that they are trying leave the western influence and try to join Russia made it unacceptable?

[@aleksandertallinn4333]

Well, usually if you're talking about independence there are some things that make it the "right" to independence, like an ethnic group controlling the land and that the people who are fighting for that independence had already seen their own country before. If talking about war being unacceptable then it either breaks a treaty or it goes against UN laws/support.

[@marioaguilar802]

FUNNY...YOU LEFT OUT THE PART WHERE THE U.S INFLUENCED AND SUPPORTED THE COUP

[@Olegstuff21986]

They were paid to do so :).

[@lauristamo3235]

Everything is orcastrated by crazy zionist, iliuminaty massons, controled by lizard aliens known as US :D Comon ... Coup was organaised by Ukrainen people, they went to the streets not americans.

[@marioaguilar802]

+Lauris Tamo LOL YOU OBVIOUSLY NEVER HEARD OF VICTORIA NULAND. AND BESIDES SOUNDING SARCASTIC, YOU SOUND IGNORANT. LEARN SOMETHING BEFORE YOU TRY TO SPEAK 😉

[@GingerSnap97]

Mario Aguilar She was there and we appreciated the support, because at that moment Ukrainians felt like they're weren't alone in the struggle. My relatives were there, my friends there, I was there, millions of citizens were there. Because were fed up with the government's corruption and abuse. That was 3 years ago and, unfortunately, despite all the optimism, everything went not as well as we wished. Primarily, because after the pro-Kremlin president had fled the country he had robbed, Putin invaded Ukraine and paralyzed it. Talk to actual Ukrainians instead of swallowing every conspiracy theory out there, if you're interested in the situation.

[@marioaguilar802]

+Anton Sherstiuk FUNNY HOW YOU CALL FACTS CONSPIRACY. FACTS ARE U.S INSTALLED A PUPPET THERE. TELL ME THEM, HOWS LIFE IN UKRAINE NOW? IM NOT SAYING IT WAS BETTER BEFORE BUT THE U.S INSTIGATED THIS MESS TO DESTABILIZE RUSSIA, NOT FOR "DEMOCRACY" OR TO BETTER THE EVERY DAY UKRANIANS LIFE. I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE FELT DISENFRANCHISED WITH THE GOVERNMENT THEY HAD, BUT INTERFERENCE FROM THE U.S IS NOT THE ANSWER

[@robsterlegovideos]

i personally cant ignore it, had to abandon donetsk due to shelling and have lived in vilnius ever since

[@mage1over137]

Is that the c type music used in the NES Tetris. I know all the songs are Russian folk songs.

[@brod2man]

If they separate from Kiev, will they also remain separate from Russia to form their own independent state?

[@ludmylasemeniuk6804]

No they will not. Crimea and Eastern Ukraine is rich in oil and gas reserves. Eastern Ukraine wanting to be free sovereign territory from Ukraine is just a front or hoax if you will for Russia to steal from Ukraine. Russia's goal is to make all of Ukraine little russia. Most Russians are tyrannically imperialistic to where they Russify everything and strongly believe Russia is not Russia without Ukraine. Russia's propaganda machine is very powerful and keeps their own citizenry in a total dark collective society state of being. They hate Ukrainians for wanting to live in Freedom, Liberty, and Individual Alienable Rights society. With freedom comes great responsibility.

[@user-mx3gu4lq3t]

Ludmyla Semeniuk Thats true.Poor people of Ukraine want Freedom they got Anarchy,wanted Liberty will get economical slavery from their own oligarch, EU and USA for decades,wanted Rights got Right Nazi Sector.So congrats new slaves, we from EU salute you

[@mnenepoh]

Locals, who supported rebellions want to join Russia, not independence. Russia wants to dictate it's will through this region. But they want to try new strategy this time, unlike russian previous similar projects (Karabah, Osetiya, Prednistrovye)

[@brod2man]

Иван Попов Maybe I really haven't followed the news properly. but who is ACTUALLY fighting this war. The civilians? If they want to separate why not let them? who is stopping them, and why

[@ludmylasemeniuk6804]

brod2man So, if ethnic Russian communities in America decides they do not want to live in American society, they decide they want it to be Russian, would you tell them to go back to Russia and live there or encourage them to take parts of the United States of America away and make it part of Russia? Would you say the same of where you live? Or is it just a double standard towards Ukrainians?

[@Mp57navy]

Someone forgot to include the Phone call of Tymoshenko asking for nukes on Russia. /watch?v=whBrGMGBRIo But sure, vote for her. Sounds safe.

[@arsenii_yavorskyi]

+Mp57navy , I'd sure as hell nuked russia if I could. it's called active defence.

[@martinkunev]

Broken link. Try this one: /watch?v=StClKfVaBg0

[@heartborne123]

thanks a lot for the video, the world has to know the truth

[@josipsego52]

I can see that the Vox's intention was to show that this topic isn't just black or white as media present it. However, the story is much more complicated and tangled. Vox just showed simple and superficial divisions which don't explain the situation that easily or rightly. There's so much historical, political, linguistic and geografical background about this that I don't even want to talk about it here. This topic definitely can't fit into 3-minute video.

[@yiayyiay1352]

As you said,all the complex issues cant fit in a 3 minute video

[@ST-tq3lm]

Long Live Ukraine Ukraine brother From Azerbaijan 🇦🇿❤🤝❤🇺🇦

[@woozie3489]

Here we go again 2022.

[@uncannylolson6862]

At the linguistic graph at 1:08 it shows that the western part of ukraine barely speaks russian , which is really false, i am half russian and half ukrainian and live in ireland, and i used to visit the west of ukraine (as my grandparents used to live there) every year for around 2 months for 8 years . And it is true that there are more ukrainian speakers in the west than in the east but from my experience more than 80% of people i spoke with spoke russian fluently. So i am really puzzled by this graph.

[@Miamcoline]

Good to make this kind of effort. There were much more important points to make. I.e. the pro-european protests had a lot to do with the unbelievable amount of government corruption, ineffectiveness and impunity which many see (more or less rightly) with the continued influence of Russia and its king-maker status in the country. The Maidan protests were a kind of believe that moving towards europe would bring the country out of corruption and widespread economic and demographic decline once and for all. Some areas felt this was an outright attack on the ukraine's ties with russia (also pretty much right) but by proxy felt this was also an attack on their proto-russian identities. These views were compounded by the high unemployment and economic depression of post-soviet ukraine in industrial areas. Another underlying cause was the feeling that their identity groups political influence would be withered away in a new more-democratic pro-western ukraine. Finally although, these views were common in the russian-speaking areas of Ukraine. Every poll conducted at the time of the insurrection (before and after) suggested that only a minority of people favoured any kind of insurrection or seperatism in the pro-russian areas. (The highest percentages were in Donetsk and Luhansk I believe with a little over 40%). Russia basically pushed a small number of rebels to become a movement with far greater power than they would ever have gotten only relying on popular support. Popular support would most likely not have been big enough even in the most pro-russian areas to get an influential peaceful independence movement going. Putin did not in fact create the movement outside crimea. He is a political opportunist however and made sure it would be far more powerful than it was inherently as long as it served his purposes. Sorry about the rant, but you need to be clear and balanced when you attempt to paint a balanced objective picture. Not simply repeat the narrative of pro-russian rebel leaders. There is a back story on their side too, but you can't counter a semi-complete slightly-biased western narrative with a narrative that is a far less honest attempt at painting an accurate and fair picture.

[@oldgreg2485]

The only thing I wish, is that we Russians and Ukrainians can solve this problem and get along together. We are like brothers and sisters, all Ukrainians got relatives in Russia and all Russians got relatives in Ukraine. I hope one day both sides will be friends again and may Western media and politics not rip us apart. Love from an Indian - Russian medicine student from St. Petersburg

[@mujinarokko1796]

This video shows simplified mapping of populations in Ukraine. The border should be drawn between groups of the people, and referendum is one way to settle the discussion. Russia did it in Crimea, and the Minsk agreement included the same, for which Ukraine government is working to against. Why western Ukraine would not separate the eastern part? It may be tax income of the government, like Catalonia in Spain.

[@CR7966]

Everyone's arguing about politics and I'm just upset they used a Czech tank from the 40's used in German service to represent Russian aggression at 0:09

[@Cw-ve7xi]

well this title aged well