What not to buy in a precision Long Range Rifle

[@Altiveda]

These might be the only videos on youtube I can intently listen for the entire video. Priceless info.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Awesome, thanks man, cheers

[@maxcactus7]

Mark just saved a lot of us a HEAP of money, both in knowing what to buy and avoid, but in the no BS advice others would have charged us to learn. Humble and profound thanks, Mark!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Max, Cheers

[@johnbyrne8024]

@@markandsamafterwork Hi mark, just a quick one for you mate? The tikka tac a1 that you pushed out to over 1100 yards.. excellent shooting mate.. I just wondered if you could help me out as I wanted to order the same mdt ess stock for mine.. could you tell me exactly what I need buddy? Thanks so much

[@goodo4668]

I shoot guns and I sell them for a living I was a bit taken back by the opening comments of your video but having watched the entirety of it before commenting I have to say you are 100% spot on. People if you wish to get involved in ELR this channel is a wealth of info and you would be well served to watch, listen and learn.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks for watching the rest man, Cheers

[@MagnusD]

This is the first video I watch on this channel. It really strikes me how knowledgeable you are in the way you explain things. Only a true expert can easily dumb it down at the same time as explaining with precision. Outstanding.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Man, Cheers

[@sherwinstaudt1881]

The length of pull is very important, 50 + years ago I was bitching to a gunsmith, that every rifle I was looking to buy was too damn short, he replied back to me ,not everybody is built like a orangutan, lol.❤

[@markandsamafterwork]

Lol, Cheers Sherwin

[@waynemayle865]

😂😂😂 I have the same problem at 6"8 my arms are long

[@matalostodos]

My great uncle who was captured by the Japanese said that tall guys died first, whether from hunger, being too big to hide effectively, or from being clumsy, so cheer up fellas, you won’t have to worry about it when Biden’s wars get you enlisted and you’re stood there like a donut scratching your balls in some jungle, your length of pull will be the least of your problems

[@jonathanbrocklehurst6724]

Very informative and well presented video. Thanks for the time and effort. I may never get into elr but this info can be directly transferred to my application of shooting. Namely close bush stalking with a blr takedown in 300 win mag. It fits me well and comes to my eye pretty well for standing offhand shots which is also the way I zero it.

[@CorwinBos]

6'7" orangutan checking in! I like my LOP at 15" give or take a bit.

[@ericbennett1253]

I have followed you for years and have learned a lot. I really appreciate the time and effort you guys give for this channel. (Fwiw, I also purchased a 4AW brake long ago). Just here to say I'm happy you are nearing a half-million subscribers. Well deserved and long overdue! Many thanks for what you do AND the style you do it in. Cheers!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Eric, Cheers

[@rosalindstewart7013]

I second that ✌️

[@grahampahl7100]

I'm on the same journey myself with a new rifle. The donor is a Tikka T3x CTR in 6.5 Creedmoor. Will start off in the standard stock and go from there, as you say it's the nut behind the butt!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Graham

[@richardofsylmar]

Wow! That was a lot of good information, but I will need to watch it again. Thank you.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Rich

[@backwoodslogging8443]

Great video and some good information to think about. I bought a Ruger precision in 308 with the 24" barrel. Quite happy with it right out the box. With hand loads can shoot 1/2 moa groups easy.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@rsvr62]

As usual very informative and probably containing hard (and expensive) lessons learned that are passed for free to your forum. Outstanding.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Man

[@stevenzagrodnik7243]

Excellent video. I had my Mastin laminated prone stock made into F Class stock by having Doan Trevor grafting in piece of wood to ride 5/8" spaced rear bag parallel to forend rail. Three inch wide by 6 inch x half inch piece of aluminum rides the Seb MiniX rest. Barnard 223rem 7T Brux 30" heavy palma shooting Berger 85.5hybrid for Midrange and Long Range competition.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Steve

[@Witty76]

Knowledge IS power and you bring a lot of it to this group. As always, BIG thanks for all your time and effort into sharing this knowledge.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Witty

[@sscott5340]

Great info! This is what the internet needs, great info humbly delivered! Bravo sir!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Scott

[@lzxray6781]

Mark, your an inspiration to all us shooters and hunters! Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Man

[@paulsimmons5726]

As always, a great many points of consideration before anyone breaks out their checkbook! Thanks for sharing your thoughts on what to plan on “before” you run into a problem that could’ve been avoided by choosing different types of gear.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Paul, Cheers

[@thecrustyoldcolonel]

Appreciate you sharing this ELR build info in an understandable format.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Man

[@LEXxTALIONS]

Always waiting for your videos. Thank you for the awesome content 🫡👍

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Man, Cheers

[@gregavanessian4846]

I admire your dedication to the sport. Thank you for the great information.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Greg

[@rickfletcher8422]

Thanks for your time Mark

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers Rick

[@CorwinBos]

Great points all around Mark I took alot of advice from your videos when I built my 300 PRC. ARC action which is a Rem700 footprint so lots of parts available A comfortable stock, Manners in my case, and a good LOP and cheek riser for a tall person like me. 40 minutes in my rail from the factory which works good with my Leupold Mark 5 which has about 90 minutes travel total in the vertical The rest? 30" Bartlien barrel, EC Tuner brake, TT Diamond trigger, which is pretty standard stuff for anyone building a nice rifle.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Corwin

[@timbow50]

👍👍 an endless combinations of options is what makes it so much fun. I have wished many times I had a lathe and mill machinery for building things just like this. So much solid experienced information folks.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Tim

[@Gunsgame1966]

Top notch info as usual Mark , thank you from all of us out here cheers 🍻 oh and to Sam as well without her diligence alongside you things wouldn’t go so smoothly onya Sam 🥂

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers Man

[@JohnRoberts71]

Great content thanks for sharing. Very informative

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks John

[@markbennett4167]

Very informative, and well explained. Thank u, Mark.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Man

[@DayzedTransceiver]

Aero Solus is probably the cheapest option for Integrated Rail ELR rifle build right now based on my research...but the cartridge options are limited. However...if you see any of the cartridges you like...Erik Cortana was really impressed with it...something like 1/2 MOA 10 shot group at 500 yards straight out of the box(es). Also...its on the Remington 700 action footprint so plenty of chassis, stocks, and triggers are available for it. Proof Research Barrels has a dedicated section for Aero Solus Prefits...although Erik was able to do what he did with the OEM barrel and lightweight hunting stock...so I'm almost considering not bothering with any upgrades until I can match what he did with what he did because its un-upgraded form is obviously a lot more capable than I am.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@davidhandyman7571]

Very clearly explained and great information. There is an old saying, "Horses for courses" that applies to most things in life. A great rifle for one type of usage may not be great for a different type of shooting. My Lithgow LA102 in .223 is a great rifle for shooting from a vehicle or some fixed position but if I have to carry it while on foot, a lighter weight rifle would be better. At my age, walking long distances is not viable, so a heavier rifle is not an issue.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Dave. Cheers

[@CraigRBoyle]

Thanks Mark, that was excellent, after listening to the video it all seems so obvious you say ‘why don’t I figure that out myself?’.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Lol, Cheers Craig thanks

[@malvinmccausland5452]

Brilliant coverage!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Malvin

[@stevemiller6547]

Super informative video- reinforces what I've learned and helps me move forward. Thank You!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Steve, Cheers Man

[@mattdg1981]

Your shooting is amazing and im always blown away the shots you take. Im just a hillbilly from the adirondacks and have been known to pull off some 500 yd whitetail shots (only 2) with a 243 back in the 90's with an old remington 788 bolt gun. I really miss that rifle. Safe shooting and thank you.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Matt

[@Lucysdad66]

There is a list of reasons why you don't see alot of aftermarket parts for the sako I have 4 and I have done nothing to them but shoot them but I have other makes that I have done stuff to just about all of them. To me I think it would be hard and expensive to make a aftermarket part for a sako that would improve it. Now look at a Remington 700 it comes with one of the worst triggers you could get and that's why there is more aftermarket triggers for the 700 then I can name just a few reasons.

[@markandsamafterwork]

As said, not picking on it, just pointing out where it did not suit what we do, lol, Cheers

[@Lucysdad66]

@markandsamafterwork I thought you were right on about the sako in the states you don't even see them on the shelf I live in a free state and there is more gun stores than then I know of in my town there is probably 50 stores that sale guns I never see sako tikka is all over a store just opened down the street from me they have about 5 thousand guns in stock and no sakos. Anyway love watching you and Sam I've been shooting most of my life and only dream of doing shots like you 2.

[@hicksydawg5228]

Hi Mark, Thanks for the info. You just solved the muzzle jump problem I have with my 300 Win mag. With a Grs stock. I have now ordered a height adjustable recoil pad. Should really help solve the jump. Already has a Muzzle brake as well.

[@hicksydawg5228]

Was very frustrating not being able to see my impacts at a 1000 yards and over simple because kept jumping off target. And yes rifle has plenty of weight. Is 8kg.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers Man

[@cw5865]

Great points as having run into cant issues from the mounting and the scope range. As far as blowing the hat off the shooter next to ya, well I go out of the way to sit next to someone without one. Rigged up a Bullpup with a certain muzzle brake for a can, found I was concussing myself and had to go to just a flash-suppressor, but that wasn't a long-range gun. As to twist and the grain bullet in 223/5.56, went for 1/7 and 1/8 and found it still did better with 55 grain over 75 grain, go figure. But that is at 200 yards and not high-end barrels... Really great information in a build for a bolt-action, wonderful things to include in the choices and what to watch for and the details in the accessories

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Man

[@tar6805]

So much good info. Cheers!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Man

[@wayneritchie3801]

Cheers Mark thank you 😊

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Wayne

[@bluekats777]

I purchased the Savage Elite Precision - it already has literally everything you talked about “adding” to a rifle - so i didn’t have to add anything to it at all - i think the trigger is running at around 1 1/4 or so… and runs a 1:7 x 26’ Barrel …. BUT … you still need to be able to hand load (really good) to get an “Elite Precision” out of it - thanks for the video - you are spot on 👍

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Man, Cheers

[@andrewdavis146]

Great information. Please make more videos.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Andrew

[@bobfugazy4916]

Excellent video MarkandSam, thank you for being so diligent in learning and sharing your knowledge, I have learned a lot from you two. Like Fullhalf420 below I wanted to get something off the shelf for some local club shooting. I was able to get this done for just over $1500 scope included. It (Savage 110 Desert Tactical, 6mm Creedmoor) does well up to 1250 yards and below. For our quarterly 1 mile shoot I did not get on target but bracketed it many times. I think that had to do more with time of day (wind, rising heat) and bullet weight and the fact that I needed to holdover about 30MOA (steeper rail coming). My buddy who does have same rifle did get on target at 1 mile (earlier time and different ammo). This was done with off the shelf ammo that the Savage likes (Hornady 105gr BTHP). Muzzle brake is a necessity and position is key. The spotters really helped and we have some amazing shooters who gave me lots of great tips. The longest comment I've ever left and I've only been shooting LR since May 2024 - so you can do it too. Obviously you can spend bag loads upfront but why not start out "inexpensively"? You can always buy more equipment... Sorry for the long comment.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Bob

[@Rodney-d7o]

G'day Mate. Just getting in to shooting, Great informative vids , Thank you for sharing ur knowledge . Very helpful. 👍

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Man

[@anthonygiaconia7880]

Thanks for another great and informative video.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Tony

[@williamuskoski1385]

Exactly the process I used to buy my 6.5 Creedmoor and build my custom spr

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Will

[@PRSLongRangeShooter]

Great video man

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers Man

[@aussiefarmer8741]

Ive had the expensive guns but after 20+ yrs you cant get parts for them. Ive gone back to using Rem 700's . Are they the most acurrate , nope. As you said though you can get anything to upgrade them. I put a rifle basix very light trigger in and a good synthetic stock, check the crown ,bedding. I get them shooting pretty good, usually better than I can shoot these days. Having said that I am no ELR shooter , mostly several hundred yards. I'm gettin old and my eyes are not as good as they were. I like your channel. Thanks.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Mna, glad you liked, Cheers

[@richardphelan8414]

awesome show Very useful information ,Thank you

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Rich

[@jazz_grooves]

Great information. Thanks for sharing.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Man

[@jessespiller3801]

This was a great video, thanks.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Jess

[@peteengard9966]

My nearly 80 year old 30-06 still shoots a 1 inch group at 200 yards. Bone stock walnut stock, original barrel , and fifty year old Bushnell scope. My uncle brought it back from WW2 and gave it to me when I turned 16. Him and I have taken many deer with it.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@giggergigger1]

.5 moa for an 80 year old gun, , hmmmmmmm doubtful

[@robertjackson1407]

WOW! Thank you 😊

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers Rob

[@robertjackson1407]

@@markandsamafterwork 😊

[@GWMJRSmith]

I love your videos.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Man

[@paulcoote3094]

It's a nice looking rifle.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Paul

[@randyhavard6084]

Great video

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Randy

[@rogersmaland7077]

And it is some of the best in the vest

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@samstewart4807]

Hi, I am very surprised no one else has copied your bipod design. I think that might be your most unique feature.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Sam

[@nathanmusson]

Going home to raise the butt-pad right now !! Having that exact issue. - Tikka Tac-A1 .308

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Nathan

[@redrock425]

Same rifle, I run mine like that and shots very well.

[@RobertSimpson-i3z]

I hear you on getting the butt plate high for a straight push. Interesting how a lot of the early rifles (hawken and such) had a swept down butt plate that was very low. And those old rifles kicked like a mule.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Man

[@JoelHaggis]

I’ve gone for the Sako 90 Quest 7mm rem mag For my next step forward in skills. Utilizing everything I can from factory. Scope will be a night force. With thanks for your discussions. Joel🫡✨☮️🇦🇺

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers Joel

[@tomaszpaluszkiewicz3189]

Brilliant... Thank you....

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Tom

[@JCJustice-kv2gy]

Your the man 👍👍🤝

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers Man

[@chrislang5659]

JC!🫡

[@peterstankovic1978]

Great content and perfect timing for me. I am actually looking into building a budget precision rifle. Not ELR, as I don't have access to such a range. You are spot on selecting action will determine the options for stock/chasis etc, or vise versa. Based on your experience, which stock/chasis would you recommend for .308 size cartridge and similar? I've seen you've been quite happy with MDT Oryx? Thank you Mark!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Man, but just advice no recommendations sorry, Cheers

[@muleavenger9772]

Awesome videos man. Also KZbin unsubbed me so I re-subbed.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers Man

[@rosalindstewart7013]

Great vid Mark, very helpful mate, just a quick question if you don’t mind, how do you measure to get your exact length of pull if say I’m buying a new rifle, thanks mate, cheers Yogi ✌️

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Yogi, will have do a video on that I suppose, lol, Cheers

[@rosalindstewart7013]

@@markandsamafterwork thanks Mark, that would be awesome mate ✌️

[@robertduncan5669]

Do you have an opinion about semi-automatic (AR-10) vs bolt action rifles for LR and ELR shooting?

[@markandsamafterwork]

No, we have never used

[@rosswitte]

When swapping the stock was not an option and the stock was wide enough but unfortunately a little curved, I put an ARCA rail on an electric hot plate and kept it warm. I then applied some black hot melt glue to the rail and then bolted the arca rail (T nuts already fixed and ready) to the stock. This made the whole thing flat/level and steady for the time being. Thanks for the video!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Ross

[@stevenlord782]

Hello Mark. Do you any ambitions to write a book on Long range shooting?

[@markandsamafterwork]

How knows what the future will hold, Cheers

[@conservativesniperhunter7439]

Mark have you tried the Australian made Chad Muzzle brake? If so what are thoughts about it?

[@markandsamafterwork]

No

[@cams7267]

Mark does the Sako TRG range need an aftermarket chassis? I thought the TRG rifles were factory chassis rifles therefore no need for bedding or a different chassis?

[@markandsamafterwork]

Have you seen what I did with mine... as said all about the features mentioned, Cheers

[@cams7267]

​@@markandsamafterworki remember the stock flex where you put the extra rod between the cheek rest and the back of the pistol grip and the additional weight. Better chance that an aftermarket chassis wont have that flex issue?

[@markandsamafterwork]

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[@tylerhensley2312]

My modified Ruger American 556 holds way tighter groups than my sig cross 6.5 precision rifle.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Tyler

[@54Rocketeer]

Nothing wrong with Sako brand!

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@nelsondoan8271]

👍

[@markandsamafterwork]

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[@bigtrev761]

🇦🇺😎👍Very interesting 🏁

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Trev

[@Levistavrakis4384]

Your advice is legendary. Keep up the good work.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks Man

[@richardlawton1023]

Thanks Mark....fyi.. My benchrest 22 lr rifle trigger is set at a hair less than one ounce.... Getting a great trigger is so important.. Like the barrel. Mt Rifle was built by Thomas Speedy Gonzales...

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers Rich

[@rosalindstewart7013]

Speedy is a awesome builder, his guns shoot lites out, I’m super jealous, maybe one day I might get one, cheers mate ✌️

[@TheScrapyDog]

👍👍

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@aandscrawfoski]

Thanks , 15 pounds to heavy for a 300 WM? Andrew NZ

[@markandsamafterwork]

Nope

[@aandscrawfoski]

@markandsamafterwork thanks Mark, my shoulders got damaged at work. Hope to lower recoil with weight , suppressor Omega side muzzle vented type and falcon strike hydrolic cushion butt plate . Andrew Nz

.380 pistol?

[@markandsamafterwork]

Wrong channel!

[@AzizzKhirallah]

Love your attitude about this bag and not caring about what people will say. kislux You are right keep your head up and no your priorities.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Thanks man

[@misterlewgee8874]

Misuse of the term "calibre" instead of using the "cartridge" is vaguely annoying indeed...

[@markandsamafterwork]

As said previously, may as well just change the definition, very few use or even understand the correct use, lol, Cheers

[@misterlewgee8874]

@@markandsamafterwork good on you to point it out .. appreciated

[@mcpig3240]

I find the ammo is just as important. And to me that means handloads: Cases fireformed to the chamber, neck resizing only, hand set primers, bullets all checked for weight, hand thrown powder charges individually measured, bullet seated to just touch the rifling. Best accuracy with my Rem 700 HB in .308, was with 44 grains WW748, which is less than max. Hornady 168gr BTHP. I replaced the factory stock with a McMillan, trigger is now a Remington Mark X, and the optics are a Vortex PST. That got my groups under .50 MOA consistently. Basically I built a Rem PSS before there was a Rem PSS.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Cheers

[@PersonalStash420]

Aren't you getting too big to reply to every comment? It must take a lot of time to do that. And now I have taken up some of your time, sorry. 😀

[@markandsamafterwork]

Lol, Cheers Man

[@Finnwolf07]

That is far from a hunting stock, try and carry that in the hills of NZ you would wrap it round a tree in anger before your first day was up would snag on everything. Its more of a 'basic' LR set up /range rifle, for you anyways.

[@markandsamafterwork]

Not talking hunting stocks, different features needed for light weight hunting stock, different expectations too, Cheers

[@oldschooljack3479]

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[@markandsamafterwork]

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