What Really Happened Between Rambley and Lloyd in Indigo Park

[@crovax1375]

I think that there is a strong possibility that Llyod was the first mascot to be changed from masked employees to being the current creature we encountered. And that the animalistic Llyod was the first one to cause an incident at the park with a separate later incident (caused by a different mascot) that closed the park. This suggests that Llyod had to be retired as the primary mascot with all of his park features being removed. This also explains why the Critter Cuff has a self-defense mechanism that worked on Llyod, but not on Molly. And so, I feel that Rambley is angry with Llyod because of that first park incident that the animalistic Llyod caused.

[@Call_Meh_Val]

What's interesting though is that they're not just regular mascots with humans controlling them. They're likely animals who were used for experiments by humans in order to replace the employees.

[@strawberries.and.apples]

That‘s a very good theory - it might even be real.

[@_StarlightRose_]

Something to note is that Lloyd's bio specifically says "he's friends with Rambley and the gang, but he's really starting to push it", implying that both Mollie and Finley also don't like him. As for why? He's annoying, loud, and arrogant, having the arrogance to make monarchs appear as mere commoners. It could also very much be jealousy of Lloyd's popularity. But it definitely does feel a lot more complex than that, perhaps Lloyd did something like steal something important from Rambley, such as his rambleberry stash or something He couldn't have been the original mascot since the Indigo cartoons that Ed mentions were called Rambley and Pals, as well as the fact that Rambley was the virtual assistant(and thus mascot) since day 1 when the park actually opened. All of this info comes directly from Mason himself, in his "Meet the cast of Indigo Park"

[@Victor-056]

...I dunno why, but when I read the "Implying that Both Mollie and Finley also don't like him" part, I pictured Mollie glaring at Lloyd and slowly lifting up a 1913 Webley, only for a grumpy looking Finley to gently push her wing back down with his tail.

[@jessicacannedy3888]

Stop Lloyd is the star he is my favorite

[@RootOfAllEvil-666]

@@jessicacannedy3888 He’s not well liked I’m afraid

[@agonyremnanttrap6789]

I believe the possibility that Lloyd was originally the first mascot for Indigo Park hence the Retro Lloyd plush, the painted logo "Lloyd's Limos" and the Lloyd statue in the backstage of Lloyd's Mane Stage. This implies that Llyod's park features had to be taken down, and he had to be decommissioned as the main mascot. This also clarifies why Molly was unable to activate the self-defense mechanism of the Critter Cuff that was effective on Llyod.

[@greodonia1542]

people are saying rambly wasnt included but i think he was there simply as a minor character but after whatever lyyod incident happened they picked an already available character hence why the voice note if from that specific item

[@Danielle-de3tl]

the logo is a reference to superstar limos at disneys california adventure and the picture is a reference to the picture of mr toad giving owl the deed on winnie the poohs ride

[@matchmakeramethyst]

In the end, when you mentioned that every character has their own AI, that’s what I theorize. Maybe the AI friends of Rambley are locked up in the park somewhere, and the mascots may be the key to where they could be.

[@zenvariety9383]

I wouldn't be surprised if each mascot has an AI version.

[@cheetahboyplayz2196]

We wouldn't find the Molly Macaw one though.

[@connormarchand6302]

The ending song mentions Rambley saying “Till all my old friends are united again” this would explain that line

[@matchmakeramethyst]

@@connormarchand6302 Yes, indeed

[@greodonia1542]

@@connormarchand6302 this would explain why he didnt care about the bird ladys head getting ripped off because his homegirl is the ai bird

[@silverinalex]

But what if it was the other way around? The park was in middle of replacing RAMBLEY with LLOYD when it shut down. But hey, thats just a theory -

[@SuperExtrovert]

I like where this is going. The obvious signs that Rambley does have abandonment issues that come across very strongly.

[@swordheartstudios]

It could've been possible that Lloyd was the first mascot of Indigo Park with how there are a lot of hints throughout the chapter that hint towards this like the Retro Lloyd plush, the painting from Rambley's Railroad with them shaking hands while Lloyd handed Rambley a document, and the signs showing the change of the first ride we ride in Chapter 1 from Lloyd's Limos to Rambley's Railroad.

[@JordanSouthgate]

So this is what I heard so I will try to explain it as best as possible, you know when you see the animatronic Molly if you listen closely you can hear her say rambely hurts lloyd and if you press on like a rambley marsk he said it about someone used to dress up as him sooo I think that the person (I forgot their name) dressed up as rambley and hurted lloyd. This is just what I think

[@Shadowcat753]

Well, I can think of a reason why Rambley would hate Lloyd. Basically, Rambley probably thinks that his "friends" should all have around equal treatment. However, I'd think depending on his ego-level (and let's admit it - Lloyd has a big ego), Lloyd could have betrayed Rambley's trust after Rambley became the new mascot at Indigo park. Most likely, he could have actually assisted Salem Skunk in some of their misdeeds. And I think it has to do with Finley in particular: this is because we have to a big question - how would a giant monster that's underwater get turned "evil"? Well, I doubt Salem could have filled Finley's tank with enough potions to fully turn him evil. The water (and maybe even salt) would be too likely to lessen the power of those bottles we see on their waist. Even if every single one was use that was on their waist, I doubt it would work just due to the idea of how much would be needed. However, Lloyd being a lion could easily transport a lot more of the potion, dump it in Finley's tank under Salem's instructions, and GTFO. If it was multiple crates worth over a day, Finley could have even ingested these directly, which would make them more effective. Sure, Lloyd is a lion, but multiple species of big cats can swim in real life, so it's possible Lloyd could have done all of it and gotten out of there without getting hurt. This also would have gotten Lloyd more attention by Finley hurting people and having his attraction shut down. So, I see that Lloyd easily could have been convinced to help on a temporary basis by Salem Skunk - in this situation, Rambley would have found out due to the camera feeds around the park and resent Lloyd for that.

[@zenvariety9383]

@@Shadowcat753 I don't think so. Lloyd strikes me as someone who passionately lives his craft that he becomes oblivious to his friends. The only way he would help is Salem is if she tricked him into doing said deed. Salem could have easily doctored a script and Lloyd being none the wiser would have followed the script to a T without any forethought. Not to mention that Salem is a trickster. So the only way to trick Lloyd is to make him believe that what he's doing is part of a script for some production.

[@Shadowcat753]

​@@zenvariety9383 That's possible, but I doubt that's the only reason Lloyd could do that. Yes, I think Salem could have made a plot like that, but I think Lloyd might be jealous enough to do that whether or not that was the case. A star wants to stay in the spotlight if given the chance, and Lloyd might ask himself "Why is X character getting so much attention? Why aren't I getting tthat?" This is something he could answer for himself with most of the others well, (especially Rambley). Molly's personality is cheerful despite her crashing tendencies, so I think Lloyd would understand why a lot of others like her. With Finnley's personality, Lloyd might wonder why people even like him enough to have a stop on the train ride. This might even push him towards being more willing to do exactly what I suggested if someone pointed out that "Lloyd, you're amazing and should be getting those views that Finnley somehow has." Plus, whether or not Lloyd was tricked by Salem, Rambley would still be likely to resent him for being willing to betray the entire park, as well as, his other friends. Rambley seems like a Raccoon that values loyalty. This is probably why with mentioning Molly with the Lloyd throwback plush Rambley's AI voice sounds normal but alters right after Finnley's name. Sure, there's also the alternation after "loudest", but that's more to make a point rather due to emotion. Rambley is remembering exactly what Lloyd did and doesn't care if it was because Lloyd was tricked or not.

[@redkyote1863]

I have a theory about why i think Rambley hates Lloyd! So you know the weird head of Rambley? The audio shows that the original Mascots were employees. And If you heard Mollie on her death screen, she says "get back in your cage, Bird." Showing that the Mascots were not treaded right. And if you heard Mollie when you had to fix the train ride, she also says "Not Rambley! He hurts Lloyd" over and over. So what I'm guessing is that one of the employees were wearing the head of Rambley and harming the mascots, including Lloyd. And Mollie saw this. And thought it was Rambley, like everyone else. After that, Lloyd and Rambley got into a fight for Rambley probably being accused that He was hurting everyone, when he never was.. I hope you like this it took me a while to make this😭

[@inquisitiveartist8035]

Honestly, I just played that games 4 times already, and I some how did not pay any attention to any details at all LMAO. But thanks for the context, if that's actually the case of what happened, I hope.

[@BurningFlamesofDivineDragon]

Nice theory. I agree Lloyd HAS to be the one jealous of Rambley. Not the other way around.

[@kevinponsrodz]

I doubt it because Lloyd used to be the first mascot after the company announced rambley as their main character

[@_StarlightRose_]

@@kevinponsrodz Lloyd wasn't the main mascot, as stated by Mason in his "Meet the Cast of Indigo Park" Rambley was the star of the cartoons and the virtual assistant since day 1, When the park actually opened Lloyd would be jealous that he is not the mascot since Lloyd thinks all attention should be on him at all times

[@fnaffoxy1987]

@@_StarlightRose_ Mason said in that video that Rambley was an "AI assistant when the park was open", not when the park was opened initially. He even says shortly after that they don't want to give away their hand since Chapter 1 is their pilot episode. The cartoons could've started (in-universe) at any time, possibly well after the park opened for the first time. This also lines up with the fact that we see old signs for a previous attraction called "Lloyd's Limos" where "Rambley's Railroad" now exists, on top of the statue of Lloyd that looks like the one of Rambley on Main Street, as well as Rambley's face being where Lloyd's used to be at the main entrance when the park was first opened. Add on the fact that Lloyd is the only one to have a retro plush and it's pretty well established Lloyd came first.

[@_StarlightRose_]

@@fnaffoxy1987 no his wording was specifically "when the park actually opened, he was a virtual assistant" I dont think the cartoons would have came after considering Ed complains about the merch being designed to look old, Lloyd never had a rubberhose design like that, and he calls them "old Indigo cartoons" The railroad ride was still Lloyd's before Rambley's, but the park wasn't As for the statue? It's probably just a set piece or they had planned for Lloyd to replace Rambley, since they have no reason to keep it if Rambley replaced Lloyd Lloyd was the fan favorite, so they made special merch of him, but Rambley was always the star. Sort of like Pokemon and Charizard, Charizard gets a lot more attention from the company despite Pikachu being the mascot and always being the mascot

[@fnaffoxy1987]

@@_StarlightRose_ I've got the video right in front of me and his exact words are "When the park was actually open, he was a virtual assistant". It's open not opened, there is no -ed. If anything there's a "p" sound from, I think, his lips as he talks.

[@DRAGO-j6e]

When the train ride needs fixing and the robot Molly speaks she says "Rambley he hurt Loyd he hurt Loyd he hurt ..." Implying the Rambley was the reason for the sudden closure of the park and maybe why the mascots lost all sanity being left in a park with nothing but memory of when they had company

[@MaisieTaylor-pl3bv]

That is what I said to 😊

[@ZheaValdez]

If the child has depression and looks at that plush they will definitely cry

[@TheAbsoluteCYNical]

1:31 woah, enby character!!

[@PutineluAlin]

It's simpler than this, his other AI friends might have reluctantly agree to shutdown convinced by Llyod and so Rambley had to be all alone. In the credits he mentions too reunite with his friends so we will see how it will play out.

[@Idontknowmath-mm9nd]

I always think that maybe Lloyd has sometime of symptom that makes him so energetic and maybe the other mascots don’t really get it.

[@Mystic_Shadow-lv1bt]

I think Rambley is the jealous one because yes,i personally agree that Lloyd was the first mascot and got replaced by Rambley which would explain the throwback plush only being Lloyd,that or despite Lloyd being replaced he still remained to be more popular than Rambley despite the fact that Rambley is/was supposed to be the new main star (and i think Lloyd may of always been boastful) ,if Lloyd wasn't the original main mascot then maybe he's just always been the most popular, causing Rambley to be jealous.but all this is just my opinion

[@revaslatts4301]

Exactly, Rambley must have been jealous that fans liked Lloyd even more than him.

[@greodonia1542]

llyod is the creaters original character and gives community mascot while rambly was a corperate insert. while rambly was all over the place sold merch and im sure small kids loves him. for the general audience they still likely preffred llyod so him saying he's the real star bugs rambly because he's right

[@janitmartinez1546]

During the train section Mollie said he hurt loyd he hurt loyd

[@JohnWilliams-p6u]

The reason why he's not jealous a ramble because he was the maid mascot before he was

[@SonicAndMarioPlushieBuds]

When we meet the real Molly backstage she says Rambley hurt Loyid, remember, she can only repeat stuff she's heard...

[@PopcornVR-q1s]

Rambley isn’t evil and it’s confirmed by the dev

[@MultiSdfv]

The robot Mollie says "Rambley hurts Lloyd hurts Lloyd".

[@item-001.the9children]

i like to think that he hates Lloyd cause he can’t access deep into Lloyd’s backstage

[@RyanPierce-qn5dp]

In the collectibles Rambley has a yootooz

[@shadeelhossenally]

But if rambley and lyoid are friends why did the creators dint at rambley and lyoid in the first place?

[@josefinetamse6893]

oooooh so Lloyd is the first mascot in indigo park and Rambley was the new mascot so that's why in the game there is a lot of boxes behind Lloyd's stage

[@malinirohoman4505]

How could it be Rambley’s fault? Lloyd was the one who gave his role to Rambley and started to get more jealous over time. Rambley is just upset about Lloyd because he doesn’t like the fact that Lloyd is jealous of him.

[@GameBoy307tv]

Sad that Rambley took the park from Lloyd😥😢

[@reynoldfeury822]

Hold up now here's what I think. If Lloyd was jealous then why was Rambler the one acting all worked up, Lloyd never showed any signs of jealousy yes he is boastful and all but I still don't see him as a bad guy in this scenario. I really love Rambley but ever since his outburst he got me thinking about things. But hey it's just my thoughts I might be wrong.

[@mannyegarica12]

Like Oswald the lucky rabbit and Mickey mouse in a rivalry

[@wall9663]

That's a great theory! Whatever it is, Lambley still hates Lloyd 😂 Surely their relationship wasn't bad from the start, as you can see in the photo. But I think they were treated more special than the other characters as Isaac Indigo and indigo park's first mascots, as you can see in the recordings from the kiosks, and we wondered why Lloyd had to retire from the mascot position for some reason, the mascot position went to the rambley, and even though Lloyd was more likely to be jealous or hateful of the rambley, on the card board, Lloyd doesn't see him particularly badly, but rather, they weren't bad at the time, but on the contrary, I wondered if Rabley had broken up with something he hated. If I guess a little more hypothesis, maybe it's true that the complete reason why rambley hates Lloyd isn't just because of jealousy, the picture seems to point to something more special and big between the two. Above all, in the introduction of the Lloyd character, he was introduced as having such an arrogant attitude that even a monarch can't beat. I think there must have been a reason why Lloyd, who loves the spotlight, gave rambley a purely mascot position, and he would have continued to be treated well at Edo Park after retiring from his mascot position. Also, we can tell from her story in the chase scene with molly that the staff were abusing mascot characters who became monsters. I don't know exactly if this is true, but if they were really abused, I think they would have treated Lloyd as differently as any mascot, and I think rambley would have seen or found out about this. So I think this could be the reason why rambly finds other friends when he talks about Lloyd's Retro doll. And most people think that as animatronics mollie says, rambley is the one who hurt Lloyd and rambley can be stained with evil, but we can be warned not to believe her in Molly's death scene. Maybe this is what we shouldn't believe.

[@Beanielandia]

Siblings have fights it’s maybe because raccoons are related to felines like lions 🦁

[@99percentOrangeJuice33]

i feel like their relationship is being over analyzed. it most likely just because he thinks he’s annoying.

[@somebodythatiusetoknow2027]

It would be interesting to see Rambleys monster form ❤

[@vontheunknown7982]

I'm hoping to get to see more characters, who may be friends or foes. And, they may be important down the line 😁👍

[@FoxBoyFox]

They just can’t make a franchise from 5 characters. Just look at Disney

[@zenvariety9383]

@@FoxBoyFox My guess is that Rambley probably became popular after appearing in Indigo Studio's version of Snowwhite. I imagine the movie was probably named Lucy and the Seven Raccoons where Rambley was the unexpected breakout star despite Lucy and Lloyd being the leads of said film.

[@terrifytee]

I think chapter 2 will introduce someone or something new for sure

[@vontheunknown7982]

@@terrifytee Maybe some rejected characters as well.

[@FoxBoyFox]

@@terrifytee Hopefully

[@tampaflbeastforlife]

you are the first to notes the changes in the part that used to be the image of Lloyd i wonder in the second game will they tell us why they changed Lloyd and replace him with RAMBLEY who isn't a real animal he's a AI but Lloyd and his other friends, are real blood animals. i would love to know what happen between them

[@Nhlamulocuma]

I use to think lloyd liked rambley but rambley didnt like him back

[@kyrahsmith1338]

Technically, if you look at a belt at the start of the ride, you can see a picture with Radley and Lloyd. Is there a Ribley actually be mean he’s actually a really tight to Lloyd, but the digital version probably had a glitch which made him but not like Lloyd but the real him actually does

[@BrickedAnimation]

Finnaly answers!

[@E.R.V.R]

give this mistake to a child and Thell cry is just crazy

[@Jamesandadrianna]

Maybe thats true what can you play indigo park on

[@njfox3305]

I think its deeper than that I don't think Rambilys is jellus of Loyid or the other way round. At some point you find a busted Molly animatroic that says and I quote"Not Rambily he hurts Loyid" I think Rampilys angery isn't out of jellusy or annoyance but guilt at some point Rambily hurt loyid and his programing was currupted with guilt so much so he dosen't want to speek with loyid atleast for long he knows what he did was wrong and is trying to berry it but when hes reminded of Loyid hes reminded of what hyapponed and it sets him off. Thats my theary anyway do you think Rambily is Jelles or guilty?

[@slyp5409]

No offense in any way, but is English your first language?

[@njfox3305]

@@slyp5409 yes I'm just a bad speller just run with it.

[@stephanievazquez1525]

Rambley and mollie are close friends but not Lloyd huh strange 🧐🧐🧐

[@haidynsworld3820]

I have a feeling that we'll see Lloyd again in Chapter 2 along with Finley and Salem and I have a feeling that if we do see Lloyd again in Chapter 2. Rambley might be the one to kill him off yes similar to how Molly macaw died in Chapter 1 Lloyd might die in Chapter 2 now I don't know how he'll actually die but I have a feeling that if we see Lloyd again in Cbapter 2 there is a high chance that we will kill him off but those are just my thoughts

[@nickgoeman4761]

lyoud thought hes still the star whell lyoud watch rambly be the new star of the show they had a friendship once and they broke up they arent friends any more

[@TheWaterFoxxo]

2:28 IO feel like the "Maybe YOU should come out of YOUR shell". I noticed that in the interaction. That's...scary to think about.

[@BlueTotalDrama]

Rambley is just mad Lloyd cheated on him

[@Elistae_Bloom]

.....wha? I can't tell if ur being serious or not💀 If u are we can't be friends😂

[@BlueTotalDrama]

@@Elistae_Bloom nah im just playing

[@saylorashman1434]

I'm not gonna lie, I think that there might be some jealousy stemming from the fact that Rambley is upset about being the only one without any living mascot counterpart. It just feels like he's mad about being alone, but might be especially mad that Lloyd got to have a real body before the main character when Rambley has had to put up with so much as the face of the park, seemingly gets no breaks, is connected to what looks like every single system in the park, has to cater to the needs and wants of not only all of the guests, but also every single employee, and he doesn't seem to receive any recognition for his hard work, effort, and seemingly saint-like levels of patience and kindness, especially from Lloyd, and he feels like Lloyd should understand how it feels better than Mollie or Salem or Finley would. Rambley most likely feels hurt from the lack of acknowledgement of his own struggles being unable to do what Lloyd takes for granted, and is upset with Lloyd, who doesn't show affection or speak kindly to their friends despite the fact that he should better understand how Rambley feels than any of the other mascots.

[@jesielcardenales2108]

Wondering what happen to the skunk why her is theme ride is destroy maybe she causes of the park Destruction

[@terrifytee]

yeah thats probably why, i made a video talking about this

[@stephanievazquez1525]

But why Lloyd so much hatred

[@connorcook4888]

I figured Rambley and Lloyd would kind of be like a frenemy thing. Kind of like Mickey Mouse and Pete, Buggs Bunny and Elmer Fud, or Tom and Jerry.

[@maryannepomare-livapulu4793]

now I’m starting to think that because rambley became the mascot, the park started losing attraction.

[@ivikivi7746]

Lloyd and Rambley may be friends, but the people forced them to pretend they hate each other , so the park won't be as boring- 😅 That's my theory

[@Snoozy20]

Not rambely fault

[@josephreinerth9152]

Nice theory, I also really think someone should make an ai cover of Stayed gone, with Rambley as vox, and Lloyd as alastor.

[@Green-Hybrid3017]

Rambley was being a petty hater the whole time. 😂

[@CarlettaSimmers]

I will sub

[@Erik-jf8hk]

Keep it op

[@OrcaAnimus2292]

Can someone tell me what this is? I never saw this game before.

[@jessicacannedy3888]

Lloyd is my favorite but he is the star ✨✨

[@DogDay595]

can you this because in the molly McCaw chase and at the end ramblyAnd how he looked terrified Whan he said this Coming in new staff! the Coming in new staff! the voice it sounds like he's kind of freaking out and terrorized plus look at his left side of his forehead you can kind of see ithe was in fact terrified so can you try explaining that if possible

[@GaboLopez-h1m]

Do a theory that literally Molly is following you in the train ride also in Lloyds curtains as soon as enter also you can see a door close and on the pictures of the ride of her chasing you

[@Hawaiianpunch_isgood]

I think Rambely is jealous because Loyid is not digitalized😢😢😢

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[@StrikeCrossoverNexus]

you can just...Not like somebody. like i mean i have no reason too but the second i saw that lion i was just like...wow screw this guy! Just based on his first appearence alone.

[@mask_vids9834]

does there have to be something serious to have happened. couldn't it just be that he finds him annoying and is too much of an attention-hog for the rest of the park mascots to even be appreciated? plain jealousy maybe

[@dhall4924]

I know why rambley is jealous of lioyd because he hurt lioyd

[@fidgetboyandfriends821]

I think there ex-lovers, and they had a really bad break up

[@LolaWeiler-u5c]

There exes 😂

[@romanempire-e9m]

The fury sucked. I don’t believe it.

[@Leonardo-zl6zu]

opop

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