What Really Happened In The Grand Final Of M5 (1)

[@BetoskyGaming]

Actually, I didn't know that APBR never had a chance to first pick Nolan in the semi-final because it seems like the format is that whoever wins, could just keep first picking. (I thought it was back and forth) Still, ONIC not picking or banning Mathilda in that first game was pretty interesting

[@lenztvml3462]

They lost coz they picked useless junglers with zero dmg Fredrin is tanky but has tons dmg

[@clarksteel6297]

Kiboy only used support when it was OP right after the release of Flask of the Oasis. After the item was nerfed, he went back to his usual heroes which are setter tanks + kadita. What's weird is not knowing who kiboy is. The only notable roam outside of PH roams.

[@clarksteel6297]

Also the loser of the last game chooses their side. But Based on statistics, onic has higher winning percentage when picking 2nd, thus bren always chose second pick in the semi-finals to lower onic's chances. Which is also a bait. Why would you pick second for 3 straight games when you know that it was not effective? Basically this was a really long bait set by bren. It's all in the details guys. All PH teams try to avoid "pindutan" (pure micro skills) but when push comes to shove, they got those micro skills to show.

[@geraldlamsenambasan292]

One thing I noticed with Kairi in the past M series from m4 to m5 is that he is weak when he uses a non-assassin jungler.

[@hiigarihana7710]

@@geraldlamsenambasan292 yup maybe this ss he still couldnt get used to tank jungler

[@azizjonhomidov8187]

Betosky opens up so many things in a way you actually learn from it

[@grandecupofcoffee7942]

@KingZaphkielno one cares, stop spamming

[@Elkie_Chan]

This is why having a good coach is important. The game starts at the draft not the game. No matter how good your players are, if you don't give them the advantage at picking your heroes, players will have a hard time. I don't really know why people are bashing Kairi. He's a good player. The coach just didn't give him a good hero advantage.

[@Sohailhgfggggh6]

But yeb is a really good coach

[@Elkie_Chan]

He didn't do enough this time then. Just like beto said, why did he keep giving a bren their comfortable picks. Look at the other coach disrupting their hero composition.

[@ZekkenXZ]

so coach Yeb was the impostor all along this whole time!😱 indo blaming Kairi but it should have been coach Yeb. lol jk

[@pleasedont7439]

​@@ZekkenXZIndogs already blaming both. I understand blaming the coach but seriously, Kairi? His teammates had more stupid mistakes than him.

[@Samigama]

​@@pleasedont7439 especially butss.... like if u carefully see either hes doing dumb shet or is baiting instead or maybe flaptzy was too much

[@goodolddays1009]

I learned that ap bren is really strong on early game, While onic shine more when they brought the match to late game

[@markjustmark4972]

Agree bro, the unfortunate part for Onic is Apbren is just too good at dominating early game. If only onic manage to bring most of the games to late game, they could've won.

[@halfpantsize98]

Ap bren actually deserve it. They played really well . Onic gave their best but Ap bren was on another level.

[@abdellatifseksaf5605]

Coach Yeb was out-drafted so hard in those games.

[@chevychelios4672]

Yea, I'd rather have 2 fighters than 2 mages. Mage generally has low durability in this game's setting. That's why ONIC's offense is dead the whole match.

[@jubab69]

@KingZaphkiel Cringe

[@abdellatifseksaf5605]

@@chevychelios4672 imagine having 0 counter engage heros vs khaleed whom can just dive and demolish your backline.

[@sjwai2027]

Literally every single match

[@johnc4439]

The draft pick was so bad, I didn't even have any hope to see onic would win a single match

[@defenseoftheaxies4553]

you mentioned that you never watch pro games, and this is exactly why you dont understand why Yeb banned Nolan against Kyle. Kyle is the same player Kairi is with even greater hero pool since he is goldike with Tank junglers as well, But man he plays crazy assassins with highlights to prove it as well. Nolan is like a death sentence since he is the best jungler there is in this patch, if he doesnt ban it, you are opening it up for one of the best jungler assasin user in Kyletzy, its the same thing with Fanny , when you know there is an assassin god on the other team, you dont wait and check if he played Fanny the last game, YOU JUST BAN IT. These players are not one Trick Ponies, they have soooo many heroes to choose from that they play so good in. I love you Beto, I've watched you ever since, and I like this transition from just playing rank you could also do great in Analysis of matches, hoping you do more of this type of content.

[@chickmagnet0987]

There are so many details on the apbren vs onic match that you can miss some to mention. But definitely we can learn a lot from it.

[@ilovetea4117]

Totally agree kyle is a monster on assasins too

[@johnchina4065]

People think that kyletzy can only use utility junglers but he's actually on the same level as kairi using assasins like lancelot, fanny, ling and haya

[@mrzjzqrn3586]

exactly, his assassins are just the same if not the same level as kairi. it just so happens that utility is much better these days.

[@karurochan]

He is also so good at timing his Retributions. Like literally

[@user-ci9uh5mt7n]

​@@karurochanHe has the most Turtles and Lord secured in MPL PH S12 just behind Karl and Raizen. Even in S11 and S10 KyleTzy was always in the Top 5 most secured objectives

[@legea8782]

They prioritized utility to shutdown kairi's jungle. The whole final series is all about giving kairi a hell of treatment.

[@jomnpascual1786]

well kyletzy uses utility based on the opponents composition that's how flexible he is. kudos to their coach for giving them early advantage on the drafting phase

[@mrdaljama16]

It's a significant learning experience hearing inputs on one of the OGs of MLBB content creation. Thank you for this analysis Betosky! Waiting for part 2. Also Kairi really idolizes you. He always states your name and as well as Gosu General as his inspirations when he was just starting out playing MLBB.

[@y.matocinos8448]

Some things I noticed during the Grand Finals: - Butss always underperforms as the EXP Laner against Flap (as pointed out by Vee) because he played more passively unlike Flap who was more aggressive, leading to their EXP/Gold gap (Flap is always leading in this category compared to Butss) - Sanz is super strong when it comes to poke/burst mages like Novaria and Gord, but underperforms when given utility mages like Faramis - BREN always wins when they have a lineup that consists of three frontliners and two backliners, and AFAIK they've won using Brody in 3/4 matches

[@qleoros3]

yea, whenever Sanz plays faramis,it's like he kinda downgraded iygwim

[@daveabrea3949]

balmond unperform too in yve HAHAHAHA they engage after kairi died

[@multatuli1]

You've forgot kairi played like trash too

[@daveabrea3949]

@@multatuli1 like trash? without those kairi retri that 4 ai from indo can do nothing hahaha kairi play better but PH players is just better thats all hahahaha

[@technoneverdies7887]

​@@daveabrea3949Wag nating insultohin tol

[@Makaveli_ml]

It is important to notice the mind games of APBREN. They opened nolan in every single game despite losing in upper bracket finals. Then never let Kairi pick it in the grand finals. Also they never showed their thamuz pick prior to grand finals. It was so impactful that onic had to ban it in the game 7

[@zing1198]

When Kairi was having trouble with jungle in game 3, more often than not, the rest were not helping him secure his own buff...

[@amazingcola2479]

That is because XP lane and gold lane are also in trouble in their own lane, their rotation is in a big mess due to that.

[@jomnpascual1786]

apbr knows how to pressure kairi while also maintaining their domainance in gold and exp. that's how dependable flap and supermarco

[@Arill_cuy]

Imo the grand final is basically a psychological warfare, both teams are absolutely nuts in the group stage and also the playoffs however as you could see there's a lot of blunders made in the finals

[@rossandreibarundia7340]

Man i've been watching this Video of M5 to learn some things i haven't know about.. And thanks to you for going in detail, i think i can manage my teammates compositions and rotations while in the Draft phase. Thanks!

[@Coolness.official]

I miss those days when u streamed . Because of u i start playing ml and now I'm glory 71 stars at the moment.

[@brylegopela5601]

The reason why Onic banned the Nolan is because Kyletzy is good at using Nolan in previous matches plus in the semi finals Kyletzy didn't had the chance to pick him is because Bren was always on the red side letting Kairi pick up the Nolan and Onic wouldn't take the chance to let Kyle get that pick

[@harrisjohneddy5660]

But why they didnt pick Mathilda, Kiboy can play Mathilda????

[@jihyo-gestrex]

​@@harrisjohneddy5660i also noticed that kiboy's used roamers were mostly comfort picks

[@johne1743]

@@harrisjohneddy5660because onic is more of aggressive set up play style. rather than in and out.

[@frostycyan]

which ONIC should've used to uno reverse card APBren's playstyle​@@johne1743

[@Killua_Zoldyck_6969]

But Kiboy's Mathilda is Godly as well. The way he abuses Mathilda's ult literally plays with the opponent's minds​@@johne1743

[@me.suzumechan]

Its so refreshing to have commentary contents from Betosky 😊

[@saybeesh]

Coach Duckey is a legend

[@E.S.A.M]

I love how is Gord being picked so often in pro seens

[@1600Serpenttt]

thank you for the video betosky, please make more of these so NA players can learn more about

[@mysteriouscat320]

We should not really blame Kairi nor Coach Yeb, Onic already lost after the 1st game they fought imo(where onic absolutely demolished them), Bren adapted extremely fast after that game. Plus i have to say it, most players of onic can't really catch up with Kairi, look at butsss, going to his own team jungle while bren chasing him, what happened? they got invaded after butsss died.

[@Abyyyyyyyyyyy]

Betosky your music selection is on point. The entire break down felt like a movie.

[@didiwasili9172]

As casual fans of ml I really enjoyed apbr matches despite the results. They are like the mix of indo and ph styles. Aggressive yet so smart. Never dissapoint even when they lost.

[@jomnpascual1786]

actually kyletzy is super scary with his nolan. maybe that's why it is a respect ban. they ban nolan in first stage of draft cause if nolan is open and picked on 1st stage by apbr you will expect their lineup to be focused on an assasin core setup. that's why kyletzy is so scary he can do assasin jungle and even utility jungler

[@Sei003]

I think the reason Onic banned Nolan was most likely because they don't want to risk Kyletzy picking it. Kyle and Kairi have pretty much the same hero pool so they had to ban it when they're on the red side or Kyle would definitely take that as their first pick. It's a pick your poison kinda thing lmao. Both team's playstyles are also quite similar, the only glaring difference probably being their Mid and EXP.

[@davisdapiton9676]

True. Pheww and Flaptzy are more like utilities. In Pheww's case utility mage, in Flaptzy's case a utility Exp.

[@mrzjzqrn3586]

@davisdapiton9676, Flap adopts an aggressive playstyle, whereas Butts tends to play more passively. This is in contrast to Sanz and Pheww, with the former displaying a higher level of aggression. In short, Bren's expand Onic's mid exhibit a more aggressive approach compared to their counterparts.

[@yashar4705]

Honestly I wouldn't mind watching a few hours long analysis video when I spent my entire day watching the grand finals. Thank you for the analysis

[@jamaica2593]

I wait for this. Thank u beto

[@Ceptle]

People blaming Kairi and Coach Yeb when Butss is literally getting gapped by Flaptzy, Butss only shined during game 6 because Phoveus was a hard counter to AP Bren Draft.

[@Killua_Zoldyck_6969]

But Coach Yeb's draft were questionable,each one of them apart from match 5 & 6. Even those had some questionable ban & picks but Onic made them work. I'd say it was more the outdraft thing than Kairi at fault & obviously Butts was underperforming but I'd say it wouldn't have been like that if they actually priotized the ban & picking phase & actually won the drafts.

[@phyomyatthu1049]

And also Sanz These two guys did a lot of misplays in Early Games. When Kairi made a mistake in the last game, all the blames go to him😂

[@user-um1gn8hs5f]

​@@phyomyatthu1049Sanz carries all won games of onic. But butss is propably sus... OhMyVenus also noticed that fact, but butss is a team captain, so... Kairi went to blacklist xDD:)

[@ashield5782]

by listeing to venyys logic, buts lose 2 level is sus. what about kairi always 3-4 level? the real impostor?

[@Ceptle]

@@ashield5782 Bro AP Bren keeps stealing Kairi's jungle creeps, ofc he's getting gapped.

[@edopalmapribadi]

Thank you Betosky for doing the review.. can't wait for the second part

[@ihsan8677]

I like this kind of analysis.. maybe can keep doing this for every international tournament..

[@venture1701]

we players can learn from it too!

[@daghtivalice]

Thanks for the analysis video (part1)!

[@GorgeousGirlGenius]

Game 6 was the only game Onic truly dominated from start to finish... Game 2 and 5 were very clutch moments... Other than that, BREN was dominating all the games...

[@karankatwal3882]

Even though i have stopped playing i watch your videos. Keep it up brother

[@marieantoine]

Thank you for making this analysis. I got a better idea on what to look out for in those situations. There is just so much going on during teamfights and I don't know where to focus 😅

[@haisemomo4167]

I love you but you only has to do that when joining small and✌️ big tournaments, I mean if The price or rewards is really good but if you are playing in RG only, you don't do that much really

[@that_coffee_cup]

Thank you for this beto ❤️

[@12_jawanza]

I missed watching your channel bro. I love your videos man

[@daghtivalice]

Thank you for the analysis video!

[@lanpaule3428]

And they wonder why Kiari did not do much when his teammates could not even defend his jungle. Great analysis Betosky!

[@TAMIM_96]

Maybe onic banned nolan in those games cuz ap bren would have the first pick.

[@Kizerlk07]

This is true. Even bren ban nolan when onic has the first pick.

[@-storm_shadow-5824]

Thank you for the video =)

[@octopuscreations6975]

Imagine what onic could have done if sanz didn't spam recall so much

[@idogarala4217]

love your content as always

[@fahadhossain2353]

idk but to me butsss underperformed the most in the grandfinals.

[@saeentist-hb]

possibly, he lead apbr team to jungler, intentionally? why did he move to his teammates instead of going to his own lane, turret was nearer than red buff.

[@qleoros3]

​@@saeentist-hbright?? ... like...

[@overlord1864]

Thank you for making this video

[@Ryomatoly]

I really don't like Onic draft the entire series. Not only that, PH teams in general are better in taking objectives which i fail to see Onic do consistently in the grandfinals. There's also some heroes that PH teams are just better at in using than other nations, like Mathilda, Fredrin, Akai to name a few. Lastly, Onic just lack the mental fortitude to me.

[@rikikun2809]

You said it right 100% ph has better mastery when you give them their comfort picks

[@TrungHo-fd8rq]

Ph teams also like brody a lot too, I have seen their gold laners playing him better than any indo team

[@ritchevicera7298]

They lack mental fortitude coz they have been fighting weak opponents everytime and not facing so much pressure not like in MPL PH everymatch is like a Grand final match.

[@lolestplays8850]

​@@ritchevicera7298that's why PH is still the strongest and most dominant region amongst all

[@element18playz6]

I hope beto keeps making videos like this much love idol

[@syedhashimsyedmoksin8849]

Beto should do this more.. he's neutral opinion very good for solo q player especially now the laning position need to be pick before game

[@nezu9585]

Seeing buts bring team fight to kairi when hes trying to jg, it honestly really agitated me. What was he thinking? He took his team down along with him when it couldve just been him to atleast buy time for kairi finish his red buff. It was honestly selfish of him

[@replied631]

Betosky stepping up on its content is ❤❤

[@nezu9585]

​@KingZaphkiel spam somewhere else kid. We're tired of you

[@Sayros23]

That last Kagura clips 🔥🔥

[@xtatic123ful]

Amazing content betosky!

[@maxb548]

There we multiple big moments where Kiboy sat in a bush waiting to make a play while his teammates died 😂

[@skills22thebeast53]

Great video!

[@urekmazino5125]

this is what happens when you give coach ducky time to prepare and study the opponent after losing to the same team.. he did it in m2, amd again in m5. he is the goat coach with 3 m series wins. Onic is so used to letting kairi do his thing while buts and sanz gank all over the map to get their kills that they failed to protect kairi's jungle.. this has been the story all the time and kairi is often at a disadvantage with his level and items..

[@sandym162]

I admit now that AP Bren is so good. Thank you god Betooo. Have a beautiful day❤.

[@zarte5218]

Thanks for this betooskyy

[@bonmznsportn4768]

They adjusted well in the semi. But in the finals drafts and bans were very weird. It felt like APBR was too confident

[@cf165.1]

Yup a lot of blunders on Onic's side. There's one game (I forgot which) where Onic's Kaja gets instantly deleted even before he plans on suppressing his target making him useless the whole game. Then Bren outdrafted Onic in game 7 when Onic showed their early Kadita pick, Bren in return banned 2 mages with the biggest threat to them (Gord, Lylia) aside from banning Kairi's heroes from the start.

[@ching............]

You'll do. A great coach ❤

[@fthamzar2212]

ONIC's coach strategy on the grand final: "beat them like what you done last time"

[@aceofspadesmlbb6881]

beto i doubt you’ll see this but if you do could you make a video about how you became so good at the game im a decent player but im stuck at a wall and just can’t seem to get past it and i wanna know how you became an incredible player with win rates so high a typical player could only dream of getting there so please if you could tell us how you got there and what it takes to learn more and maybe even get to that level

[@WINDOWS94198]

Good work beto!

[@geraldlamsenambasan292]

Finally! after all this year I finally realize why Beto's voice is familiar HAHAHAHA it is because he sounds the same as Ayanokoji in the Classroom of the Elite

[@TLTheLegend]

Underrated video

[@gillianml4977]

AP Bren Coach said that the semifinal match was just a check ping 😂

[@myominkhant5210]

That Game 3, Having Yu Zhong and Akai but get no objectives let us know clearly who will become Champion. 😅

[@theshanication]

Very interesting thx for the video

[@muktilimbu2294]

Hello sir I'm your huge fan from Nepal and i kindly request you to make the vedio of 4merical esports which was 1st wildcard match also this team was from our country. We want to know that what our team lacks coz they were not able to win single matchhh soo hope you will make it for the viewers of Nepal . Namestey💎🌻💜🙏

[@user-ps1sp4px2l]

thnxx for dis video

[@RaidenDisNots]

AP Bren probably wanted to bait onic into giving Nolan, and onic was too cautious

[@durak4371]

pls we need full vod review I will watch non-stop even if its 10hours

[@Riveneeer]

Solid content ❤

[@farzana5956]

Can you make a video on Vale's update?. :(

[@devvv4616]

Kyletzy may be really good at tank junglers but he is an assassin main

[@Food_Guru92]

Waiting for part2❤

[@chasingthethunder2936]

Ap bren pure savage showing onic emote to onic while dominating them in final round😂

[@mr.analyst6447]

That Thamuz pick was the secret weapon they are keeping until the very end. It works well with their heavy priority on the first 2 turtles as you know AP BREN is the best early game team in PH (maybe in the world) and it's because of their Hybrid (passive-offensive) Exp laner.

[@lolestplays8850]

Actually you're right, alongside AP Bren with that kind of playstyle was ECHO (when Yawi was still in the line up)

[@benjaminbowers5557]

Betosky you would make a great coach for competitive players...

[@davisdapiton9676]

Do a video about the "controversial" game 7 of M5 cause Indo can't accept the fact they lost.

[@Unknowns330]

Addition also yeb intended not to ban Matilda because its early game so if they win that case on the end game he will ban mathilda at any cause, if you don't believe try watching previous fight here in Philippines

[@anandchinbat-wd1rt]

btw your videos are good

[@KazeKage_B]

🤌🤌🤌 as expected 🔥🔥🙌🏻🙌🏻

[@ezzo77]

Sanz got caught way too many times in that faramis game. I think that was a deciding factor because without his ult Onic can't win a team fight.

[@Dark.FL84]

Ggs to the winning team ❤ mistakes are made but it still take skills to win. No team is immortal ❤❤❤❤ but kairi is my fav player tbh

[@nyankosensei_5375]

Onic has a tendency to be trigger happy after any of them dies, especially the core. They do not know how to retreat, where to retreat and when to retreat. Kiboy's positioning have been read. Butts uses only comfort heroes and not really counter heroes like Flaptzy, so Kairi cannot farm well because he has to do some of Butts responsibilities. Kairi tried, sanz did well, and cw was okay. But PH is just different, if one of them dies, they just go on to the next objective if they see that they are not in a good position.

[@aldrithegreat]

Agree almost on all of what betowsky said. fredrin was AP Bren comfort pick the whole series.

[@Grey_Fit]

5:03 nice ult by CW he milted his self

[@nezu9585]

Didn't even notice 😭 bro ulted natalia

[@Grey_Fit]

@@nezu9585 He ulted thamuz using vengeance that's why he milted and he almost killed his self

[@MLBBgamingHub.]

Nice

[@VOID-0-l4b]

What ap bren made different that when they got early advantage they didn't loosen up the pressure until end , and kartzy has the best timing in jungle invasion, on per even more than kairi.

[@crazylittlebigthings]

It’s easy to analyze when the match is finish but drafting in an actual game is serious and hard. The games starts in drafting.

[@user-ge8dp1qq4g]

I think that every pro player need their main hero to pick during M5 like kairi should pick. Haya or lancelot when it was available because he vould reach backline easily and pick diggie for immune to cc

[@ZekkenXZ]

lots of truth and facts to Beto's analysis. like ONIC should have at least banned fredrinn instead of Nolan. like APBR always do pick Fred whenever they can. i was baffled how they cant see fred dominating them. the Drafting of the grand finals is just utterly chaos.

[@ZekkenXZ]

Butsss had committed a lot of mistakes and bad plays in this grand finals. he was too underperforming, no impact at all. the only game he was impactful was when he played phoveus and was a hard counter against apbren's lineup. Butsss should better his game next time. i was always facepalming seeing him do these errors

[@rikikun2809]

Lol, if they banned fred ApBren can get Nolan. KyleTzy is one of the best jungler in terms of assasins and utility

[@marcmerc1469]

Kyletzy's Nolan is really good

[@Jason-dc8jx]

One thing that ap bren master is on how to end the series. I remember in s11, i think? They are the top seed in playoffs but got eliminated early. Because they really are dominating in early game but they didnt know how to end it to the point where gold doesnt matter anymore and they always lose to a comeback.

[@reziarned8355]

I think in game 5 bren should pick diggie over Grock it can counter minautor and wanwan ult, in game 6 bren didn't ban phoveus they prio ban dyroth. They can win that whole match easily but coach of bren take it to game 7 that he knows they're gonna win game 7.

[@YFDXD]

What is this thumbnail. It looks like a random video from a random clipper. I was shocked when I heard your voice at the the beginning XD

[@fukumean_]

One thing i can say, Onic got baited so hard when they won the previous series. 😂 Pride comes before destruction

[@owo4538]

Cant wait what beto has to say in game 7

[@garrisonbeiho145]

Wish to play there too...when i played serious,in my mind no one can beat me....is that a good mind set, i dont know.....but i really think that way..

[@Misacquisition]

Duckey's style of drafting is similar to how his Hometown in the PH, Lucena City plays. Even in small community tournaments held by Private and even government organizers. I'm from Lucena, and everyone drafts similar to him. The small for fun teams here even have their own drafter. But the team dynamic in my hometown really is about fighting when opponents are farming, team fights build up from small positive situations that build up.

[@rikikun2809]

Overproud much 😂

[@marcmerc1469]

Wtf do you mean?

[@uranademii]

Video 13 of asking Betosky to play Dyrroth as a jungler