What Really Happened to Lyall’s Wren?

[@BizarreBeasts]

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[@MaoRatto]

Do you mean " Made Extinct? not Extincted? Sounds too bizarre.

[@bjdefilippo447]

Can someone post purchase info for the amazing phases of the moon shirt at the start of the factor promo? I know an astrophysicist who would love it.

[@askthebubble28]

@@MaoRattoit’s why it’s BIZARRE beasts

[@MaoRatto]

@@askthebubble28 It sounds weird to use extincted due to too many repeated sounds.

[@MaoRatto]

@@askthebubble28 I wasn't talking about the animals themselves.

[@chattychatotchannel]

Outdoor cats cause so much damage it’s awful… Even when there are laws about it owners don’t listen and keep their cats outside and wildlife pays the price. And when native animals in Australia and New Zealand get attacked they don’t have any defences to the bacteria in their mouthes and under their claws so if you do find an animal who survived a cat attack they will need a really intense run of antibiotics to survive. Like we were told in the caring for orphaned birds workshop that when you see a bird blown up like a balloon (from a ruptured airsac) the main worry is that it’s from the pinpoint wounds of a cat’s claws and the bacteria that comes with that is often fatal Also off leash dogs on beaches where they aren’t supposed to be mess with migratory birds not letting them rest and kill fairy penguins in Australia too

[@Sk8Bettty]

“Owners don’t listen,” Hmm, you’ve never had a cat. It’s the CATS who don’t listen.

[@SugeryGold]

@@Sk8BetttyOwners are the ones who decide whether it’s an inside cat or an outside cat… if someone isn’t capable of that I don’t know if they’re a very responsible pet owner

[@NZBigfoot]

As a NZer... I live rural, and in the last 20 years have owned 13 cats, and at one point within that period of time we had around 10 cats at once... currently where down to 3 as they grew old and passed on. Our property has ALOT of birds, and yes... our cats catch and eat 'alot' (maybe 5-10 a week in summer back when we had 10 cats at once), although half our cats ignored birds entirely, and only 3 of them were prolific bird hunters. But heres the rub... and something the anti cat brigade seem to ignore... Our cats ate, in terms of birds, mostly finches, sparrows and black birds or starlings. Species that are in no way endangered or being impacted by cat predication... the bird species however our cats caught the most of were wax eyes, and lets just say wax eyes breed like rabbits, our fruit trees would be decimated by them yearly. Im talking one fig tree having 50+ of them at once flying around in them... after that it would be the sparrows and finches, and usually it was the fledglings rather than adult birds (still didnt make a dent in the overall sparrow population locally)... our property still has just as many birds (native and non native) on it as it did when we had more cats, and in terms of our area (on the outskirts of a rural town) the surrounding properties all have at least a cat or two each themselves... so cats per square km is high and the bird population is just fine and dandy. But you know what is the biggest prey animal my cats catch and kill out numbering any number of birds they catch... rats (and mice)... which are the REAL issue for our native birds, besides the stoats/possums and dogs off leashes due to irresponsible owners. Cats compared to most of the other introduced predators in NZ are way down the bottom of the list, especially when you actually look at what the cats are actually catching in terms of species... dogs on the other hand, they kill way more actually endangered species than any cat does. And rats, hell... get rid of the cats in NZ and you're looking at a Ratpocalypse within 6 months minimum THAT will really screw NZ bird species over. No animal has defenses against cats mouth bacteria, its simply a part of how a cat kills its prey a cat can find and eat the bird later when it finds its body, nice and efficient, you loose a catch but get to potentially find it again later... then again ive seen birds die from fright, their shockingly fragile lifeforms. Do i like my cats killing birds? no, but they are a predatory animal who is born and evolved to hunt... its what they do, and if someone says oh woe is me, but what of the birds... ill tell them this... Ever watched miner birds pulling baby sparrows out of their nests dropping them then eating them? Ever watched a Tui kill another Tui in a fight over territory? Ever witnessed a female sparrow being literally gang (well you know) to death by 15+ other male sparrows?... i have, quite a few times... birds aint saints.

[@Wolfie54545]

@@Sk8Bettty I have cats so I know this. I don’t let them outside. I also don’t want my cats to get killed by predators or cars.

[@FellowLee]

@@NZBigfoot bad human.

[@laurachapple6795]

My cat Oscar watched this video with great interest. I think he's taking notes. (Fortunately for the local passerine population, he is an indoor cat.)

[@askthebubble28]

DONT TAKE HIM TO NEW ZEALAND 🇳🇿

[@trevinbeattie4888]

I like how you show the original content alongside the corrections - it’s a good illustration of how scientific progress works in fixing incorrect ideas with the discovery of new facts.

[@GCF242]

That video with " good for grabbing on to sticks and perching" is just 10/10. Whoever added that, has GOAT humor.

[@NikkiBdraws]

I always forget cats are fluffy serial killers that enjoy our company. I'm watching a video about cats sending a bird into extinction while petting a cat that would do the exact same thing, if given the chance.

[@audreymew7650]

My theory for where the name Tibbles came from is that it was actually named Tybalt (the king of cats) and it immediately ended being shortened to the cuter name Tibbles.

[@ljphoenix4341]

As a New Zealand bird nerd, I immediately knew what the video was about just by looking at the thumbnail (both the original one and the updated one). A sad story, very indicative of how a lot of birds went extinct after Europeans arrived in Aotearoa. If anyone has any questions about NZ's birds, reply to this comment and I'd be more than happy to answer 🧡

[@alveolate]

i'll start! i know 2 flightless NZ birds off the top of my head: the kakapo and kiwi... how many more are there and can you name them?

[@Ezullof]

@@alveolate Weka and Takahe are the other two famous ones. Penguins also but that's probably cheating.

[@ljphoenix4341]

@@alveolate as the other commenter said, takahe and weka, technically penguins as well. There are two species of duck, the Campbell Teal, and Auckland Teal which are also flightless, but they live on subantarctic island chains, so are isolated from the rest of New Zealand by a very long distance. All other flightless birds have been wiped out. A bunch of other native birds don't fly very well, but can still fly, so I won't count those.

[@noahberan6498]

I'm a bird nerd too, I love them all but specialize in Hawai'i birds. If you want to know about any of them, just ask. But I am curious, how's the Kea parrot doing ? Are their numbers rising?

[@DS.proudkiwi]

There were a few things that went extinct from Maori as well.

[@solsoman102]

2:19 i’m surprised that hank has never heard the cat name tibbles and it’s making me wonder if it’s only a thing in british/commonwealth countries. i’ve always had a theory that it’s an evolution of the name tybalt after the romeo and juliet character but i’ve never actually seen any proof of that.

[@Ezullof]

I think it just comes from "tib(b)", with a diminutive suffix. Basically "little girl".

[@ILikePi31415926535]

As someone in North America, I have only ever heard Tibbles when referring to this exact cat

[@danielled8665]

Yeah, it's not the only species. My nickname for all outdoor cats is "mudrer mittens" I like the birds, snakes, and other native species that should live around our town, but dont, because I see about five random cats outside wandering around on any given day. I keep my dog inside and in the yard. I don't let my boa constrictor roam. I keep our rabbit behind a fence. My chickens lived in a coop and run. Why is it acceptable to just let cats go around and kil things? If I wanted to take a three toed box turtle or a hognose snake from the wild and keep it as a pet, it would be super illegal and considered poaching, even if I bred them and returned a hundred hatchlings to the habitat. But it's totally fine if someone's industrious feline runs around and wipes out hundreds in a year or so, rendering them locally extinct.

[@cuttlefishonfire7502]

Speaking as someone with indoor cats, it's so weird! Like, if I let my cat outside it risks getting hit by a car, or eaten by predators, as well as causing damage to the environment by killing wildlife! Why are so many other cat owners just okay with this?! I once saw someone talking online about how indoor cats were less happy and it was bad to keep cats from their natural habitat, and this person was Brazilian! Domestic cats natural habitat is not in Brazil, it's not where I live in the US either, cats were domesticated in west Asia, and even then that was many thousands of years ago! Cats natural habitat is not in the wild they are domestic animals! In the place where I grew up, local populations of burrowing owls were endangered, largely because of predation from cats. They are invasive species, it's an objective fact! People always act like it's an attack on their cats to talk about this, like no, I care about my cats AND about the environment, you're just defensive bc you don't like getting called out. If you're really worried about your cat not being happy indoors, just leash train them or get a catio or something! Avoids your cat potentially dying outdoors too! But no, this type of person is too lazy to ever actually be responsible, with the life of their pet or with the environment 🙄

[@GuanoLad]

Tibbles is a very typical name for a cat in the UK. Very much out of fashion now, but for a time it was the cliché name.

[@joshuaharrison9331]

Some of the keen eyed may have noticed that predator free 2050 excludes feral cats...

[@fignewt9192]

yeah most people cant handle the idea that letting their cat outside is animal abuse i dont think the population of new zealand in its entirety would handle government funded localized cat extinction very well

[@moeshmoe8494]

Because they get bomb threats called in.

[@floppy_hands1770]

​@@moeshmoe8494 😮 shut up!?!?!!

[@percygallagher922]

Not sure if this is the best place to givr this feedback - but when you put written corrections at the bottom of the screen, it is blocked by the youtube subtitles. So for people using those subtitles, they cant see the corrections.

[@askthebubble28]

I’ve been waiting for this video for a long time because this is the first Bizarre Beasts episode with an animal that no longer exists, period. Thanks for sharing this video, I love this channel and this video + the Armadillo episode it was so good

[@thetux459]

Will Seaward: "Panthers?" Did anyone else hear that in their head immediately when seeing the thumbnail?

[@marowakcity3727]

I miss citation needed, such a great series

[@rhoharane]

PANTHERS???

[@elif6908]

Just come to comment that 😂😂😂 I know what to watch after this 😂

[@yuvalne]

lmao

[@kurtswanson6950]

Yes! Such a great series, I miss it.

[@Ashystar067]

I love this idea of Season Zero, thank you!

[@tincat2347]

Like a reanimated pilot season to match the better art style

[@Ashystar067]

@@tincat2347you've said it all 😂 and plothole plugs 😂

[@victoriaeads6126]

Yeah, it's really cool, especially when you can match up the episodes to the pins, it's a little like a holiday calendar with a little gift for each episode 😂❤

[@elSethro]

A couple notes: 1. "Darkling Beetles" are a massive family that is widespread across the world. The Genus Mimopeus is endemic to New Zealand (though not Stephen's Island), although I'm not sure that there is anything particularly unusual about them. 2. Three toes forward and 1 toe back is not a good way to distinguish passerines from other birds, as it is not at all a unique feature. Most non-passerine birds also have feet like this, including shorebirds, herons, hawks, and many more. 3. Passerines are referred to as "perching birds" later in the video, which is another common name used for the Order. But it's not a very good name because many non-passerine birds perch, including kingfishers, hummingbirds, hawks, and many others. (To clarify, Lyall's Wren did NOT diverge from other passerines earlier than hawks did.)

[@albatross4920]

"This island bird went extinct because of cats" Do you know how litter that narrows the list down?!

[@NewMessage]

Who said "Y'know what this place needs? Weasels."?

[@lolly9804]

The British.

[@albatross4920]

An island full of vulnerable birds? Needs more weasels!!!

[@meganofsherwood3665]

Wasn't it supposed to deal with an imported rodent problem, or something? Like an attempt to find an ecological solution...but they didn't realize that that weasels were going to go after the most defenseless animals...which would be the flightless birds.

[@lolly9804]

@@meganofsherwood3665 Nope. The Victorians weren't overly concerned with preserving the natural world (well not in the sense that modern ecologist types understand preservation). They introduced things like foxes, hedgehogs and weasels. As they wanted a second England. Though a lot of introduced species died due to a lack of food sources, or weren't adapted well enough to New Zealand's environment.

[@ryangriffin5362]

colonizers often transported as much of the wildlife of their country of origin as possible to literally physically replace the ecosystems they were colonizing (make it easier for them to move in, make it harder for the natives to survive). Weasels and ermine are also a valued fur species, so their presence would have had economic value to the colonizers as well.

[@Cillana]

Darkling beetles are a very large family of beetles, not just that one specific species on the island.

[@Wolfie54545]

Keep your cats indoors for this reason. Also so they don’t get killed by other animals or cars. Or stolen by people. If you really want your cats to experience outdoors, build an enclosure for them. Don’t let them roam unsupervised. No, bell collars won’t work. Cats learn to work around them and actually it makes them better hunters.

[@ODISeth]

Wow, an animal I’ve heard of before! Thanks Citation Needed! Excited to see a more in depth explanation of this now gone bird though

[@zelenpixel]

this is the kind of reason you dont let cats outside!!! alongside so many dangers for the cat

[@cjc2010]

1:25 Too adorable.

[@Wi11ochik]

this is one of the bedrock stories of extinction driven by colonialism that they teach us locally if you study ecology of any sort at university. really sad story, but very important when it comes to understanding the affects of colonialist 'acclimation' on invaded environments.

[@askthebubble28]

Fun fact: There are only 2 Vlogbrothers Bizarre Beasts left The Mola and the Man o war By December there should be 0 Vlogbrothers animals

[@Tser]

I have a bird pin banner, and the Tibbles' wren pin is going next to my beautiful "Sunset" enamel pin by StoryCrunchStudio, from TheOnionCakeStore's Disappear series (a series of artist pins of extinct and endangered animals), featuring the passenger pigeon, ivory billed woodpecker, and Carolina parakeet.

[@Treeplanter73]

Cats killing everything....shocker.

[@comfypluviophile]

yeah because they're a predator??😭 if tibbles was a dog instead, nothing would change. i understand your frustration tho

[@paulkinzer7661]

Hmmm... I'll have to check more into the 'predator free by 2050' effort. I've seen some things on it already, but unless they also get rid of all the feral cats, I'm not clear on how this will be a success.

[@NewAge374]

It's not arbitrary not including domestic and feral cats. Politically it might not have been able to get enough public acceptance. It's an example of speciesism towards a non-human animal in detriment of other non-human animals. Because if you want to get rid of feral cats, you need to get rid of domestic ones too, since they're the reason sometimes cats are brought up in the wild.

[@SugeryGold]

@@NewAge374It ain’t speciesism to remove invasive animals 🤦 people just throw a fit when it’s a cute cat instead of a scary python

[@NewAge374]

@@SugeryGold In my personal interpretation and use of the term it very much is. Though this debate is still wide open and allows for different points of view on the matter. Anti-speciesist conservation is a very big ask to make, but has been a guideline for hands-off rewilding efforts, so not completely a insensible idea. Just to be clear on my definition, even if the species we prefer over another is not H. sapiens, it's still putting the individual and species welfare above that of individuals of another species. And in response to the original commenter, protecting invasive feral cats over threatened native wildlife in an ecosystem is usually the opposite of what conservation efforts are about, but it still shows a speciesist bias.

[@SugeryGold]

@@NewAge374Yeah thats why it’s important to use our brains and not just let labels like that make our decisions for us. By your definition both removing and leaving the cats, pythons or whatever invasive animal is causing the problem, is speciesism since either way you are “picking favorites”. While humans argue about personal interpretation, wildlife dies because of our decisions that we were too small minded to think about the consequences of. I dont really know what point you’re trying to make because nature doesn’t recognize politically correct terms like “speciesism” and by your logic if you’ve ever chosen one animal over another you are a perpetrator of speciesism so if you ate eggs from a chicken instead of a quail you’re being speciesist.

[@NewAge374]

@@SugeryGold Recognising that you have a bias towards saving one animal over another in a policy without sufficient argumentation, that's critical thinking. Carrying it out anyway because you find adequate arguments that putting more effort into saving one species, would benefit the wider ecosystem -even at the cost of some individuals- is acting thoughtfully and trying to come small-mindedness. Indeed humans are the only species capable of speciesist bias because of the role we've appointed to ourselves as stewards of the Earth. And we must be careful to not fall into the trap of fixing things out of guilt, nor out of infatuation, but go instead for the most rational solution with the highest change of success and stability, ¨sustainability¨ and ecological awareness. I'm only asking we recognise this bias in our decision-making, just like other logical fallacies or otherwise making the experience of a certain demographic the default for all other people (like white, male, straight, wealthy, non-disabled etc)

[@mellissadalby1402]

Wow, what way cool shirt (the Celestial looking one).

[@rukbat3]

Ditto! I came to the comments to ask where I can get one!

[@lesleyghostdragon3149]

Hmmm... 🤔...Tibbles.... Hmmmm....The trouble with Tibbles....🤔 Is that where they got the inspiration for "The Trouble with Tribbles" episode? 😸🖖🤓

[@lesleyghostdragon3149]

Tribbles. Talk about Bizarre Beasts! 🤓

[@PsiPaula4]

Genuinely makes me mad how many species "house" cats have and will continue to wipe out.

[@rkozakand]

That arrangement of toes is NOT limited to Passerines, It is found throughout the bird clade, and even the theropods.

[@FlyingTigersKMT]

I love darkling beetles. They are so beautiful with the patterned shell.

[@HermitP3z]

You guys should do a video on the pink fairy armadillo! Love your content

[@williamoverton7775]

The speciation of the black cats on the isolated antarctic island. That is a bizarre beast because it is developing feral traits for the arctic environment and going from a common house cat to a new kind of miniature lion or something

[@lindsay6518]

WHAT IF WE JUST NAMED THINGS AFTER CHARACTERISTICS INSTEAD OF RANDOM DUDES WHO DISCOVER THEM

[@cameronwilsey9334]

Because you'd run out of characteristics without tagging a bunch of adjectives to everything. Beetles alone have ≈350,000 described species. Good luck coming up with a brief descriptive name for each one

[@isen2619]

Red-billed, red chested, red throated, red bre*sted, red bellied, red faced, red headed, red masked, red eyed, red hooded, red backed, red winged... then yellow of all those, brown of all those, black of all those... Actual names are far more memorable.

[@rhoharane]

It was just the fashion at the time, people wanting clout and clout for specific people. It's definitely lame now, there's even no need to shout it. We do way better not just naming them with characteristics, but all sorts of stuff. Native words. Jokes. Metaphors. Onomatopoeia. "Manul" is better than "Pallas's cat". Imagine if someone called tigers "Kamal's cat".

[@SugeryGold]

@@isen2619don’t forget about the red-flanked bluetail

[@MontgomeryWenis]

Darkling beetles are just mealworm beetles. Not super interesting, just a cool name.

[@NabPunk]

Darkling Beetles are actually a large group of beetles, not just the mealworm beetles, but thousands of different kinds.

[@AdamYJ]

“Darkling” sounds almost demonic.

[@Wi11ochik]

@@AdamYJ they are called such because all members of the family are almost exclusively nocturnal or spend their days under leaf litter, rocks and decaying wood

[@LeoStaley]

I saw the title and thought, oh you mean hundreds of different birds?

[@oxylepy2]

TIBBLES THE EXTINCTINATOR

[@aaronb2686]

If Timbuk3 taught me anything it’s that…. Cats will be cats, birds will be birds. Cats will be cats and cats eat birds

[@ZeanG_]

You have to do a whole video about Stephen's Island!

[@jobriq5]

didn't realize at first he meant passerine is the largest order by number of species not physical size

[@windlessoriginals1150]

Thank you

[@bearhustler]

We have Darkling Beetles in the UK, it's a whole family

[@DS.proudkiwi]

I grew up on a bird sanctuary island in NZ we used to have kiwi's nesting under our house and penguins under our woodshed. These day's im a possum hunter , sometimes i catch cats , rats , and stotes in my traps ,the predator free plan is not do able really, and wiping out possums is going to hurt a few people and take away a part of our modern culture. The key is conservation efforts like trapping,you can see the difference in the blocks of native I've been trapping for last few years. Theres allot more seedlings coming up and im sure you can hear more bird life. Compared to the blocks im getting into for first time theres a noticable different. The key like with dear and pigs is keeping the numbers controled so they don't become like locusts. I love our native trees and birds but we have to be realistic . And getting rid of possums takes something away from our culture and from poor farming families and kids . Rats are a huge problem maybe offering rat baits to farmers and people who want to control them on a large scale in some sort of deal with doc . We have a problem with wild peacocks up here where i live , it's harder than you think to find their roosting trees and go after them at night, and i don't have money to buy a trap for them. But if doc could supply me with a couple traps for them , id pay for bait and be willing to put time into trapping them along with possums and it wouldn't take me long to put a dent in the population. I tried building bird boxes and hanging them in trees but i don't think im making the holes right size for our native birds but im trying and I grow native trees i plant out around the place . I love listening to the tui outside the house during the day and morepork at night, I've never seen a live morepork but im really hoping to get them breeding by our place by taking out the possums. I need to take out a few magpies as well make it better for the tui . I got cats and they are free to come inside and out as they please mostly they stick around house and farm sheeds I've never had them bring me a native bird but they have a couple sparrows but its mostly rats and mice . I did try using collars with bells on but it became dangerous to my cats with all the fences and things around here ...... anyway rant over ,just its not realistic the plan as is and theres better things you could do that wouldn't cost the tax payers as much and would give a better result. And stop blaming farmers for the environment they are actually great conservationists and deeply care about the land and its native Flora and fauna

[@DS.proudkiwi]

Ps my cats bail possums up trees at night and I have to get up and go deal with them sometimes 😅

[@meganofsherwood3665]

Okay, wait, when did New Zealand get _possums_ ??

[@DS.proudkiwi]

@@meganofsherwood3665 back in the early 1900s about the same sort of time we got red dear and mose and few other things. It's the brush tailed possum native to Australia. They were introduced for the fur trade . It's been a big part of my poor farming families lives for generations, my grandfather was a possum trapper at times ,it's how my father bought his first car and saddle and how my family afforded extra things for school, glasses and brace's. How my sister's made extra money for university and how I make a little extra money on top of my disability benefit. I do a small trap line for exercise and because I care about our native birds and bush . These days we pluck the fur and it gets mixed with wool and made into socks, hats, and other cold weather clothing. Possum fur is like polar bear fur it doesn't freeze and it's as fine as silk . If you live in a cold climate it's well worth investing in some of the products. It's also part of our culture possums being in our cartoons and ads and allot of kids grew up going spotlighting for them at night. They do do some damage but as long as you allow trapping it controls the numbers pretty well

[@ryangriffin5362]

"modern culture" settler culture shouldn't be protected and definitely not at the expense of the indigenous wildlife hello???

[@DS.proudkiwi]

@ryangriffin5362 go get a life . Maori wouldn't have anything if it wasn't for Europeans. And the Maori wiped out several native species before Europeans showed up

[@Chameleonradio]

Is that a worm necklace that Sara is wearing? And where can I get it?

[@tiffanymarie9750]

So you could say Lyall's Wren was the...hagfish...of passerines 😶‍🌫️

[@khoufuk]

I saw that title and video icon change.

[@rando5882]

4:11 john green moment

[@MicroBlogganism]

Panthers?

[@rhoharane]

RELEASE THE COBRAS

[@treymarcum]

I mean technically any species that goes extinct do predation goes extinct because of one animal, the one that killed the last of its kind. Did it have help sure, but but it was that one thing that did the official extincting

[@jordanbolton1904]

Did the image and title of this video change 9 times since upload?

[@graysonwolf8041]

Its islands all the way down

[@robertfaucher3750]

I need me a Hamiltons Frog

[@hwizell7478]

Everglade snake skin Boots and belts with songbird notes Terrestrial nest

[@chickensalad3535]

This is infuriating. People need to keep their damn cats indoors.

[@PexiTheBuilder]

By human caused extinctions, how much been caused with cats? And still ppl let their cats free in nature.. When does ppl learn? When only animal to eat is cat?

[@rickkwitkoski1976]

Thank you.

[@davidbray7149]

Why not include the cat and the dog in the seven species to be 'outlawed'?

[@zintosion]

THANKS TIBBLES!

[@williamoverton7775]

I think it's the second one

[@rhoharane]

Does it go through French alleyways?

[@somefishhere]

2050 let’s go!!!

[@WobblesandBean]

KEEP. YOUR CATS. INDOORS.

[@realo3503]

True

[@alveolate]

and just in case you need a video to convince you of it, here's Animalogic's 20min long video about cats murdering local wildlife kzbin.info/www/bejne/jKPJiaCvqt91d9k

[@sten4982]

And also while we are at it. Keep your dogs in your yard, not barking 24/7, crapping everywhere in the street, attacking neighbours, getting into dog fights, killing wildlife. Just because the poor cat always gets blamed for everything bad. By the way, wild dogs are a major pain, almost worse than the neighbourhood dogs

[@SuperDjwasabi]

​@@sten4982 Cats only get heavy blame because they feralize much quicker, reproduce quicker, and don't have any laws preventing those things you said like is already in place for dogs in most places

[@daverohrich8518]

Just takes 2. Then it's ballgame, forever.

[@yellowflowerorangeflower5706]

cool

[@BB-sc1gc]

👍

[@hwizell7478]

Protect native land Invasive species and plants Live with predators

[@mageSjoy]

How did non native predators get there?

[@daisymay6505]

Humans

[@isen2619]

@@daisymay6505 Sounds like humans are the problem.

[@seiyuokamihimura5082]

Ngl. Wouldn't weevmind those weevils. Kinda cute.

[@arafisolo9877]

❤🎉

[@wendydomino]

The hagfish of passerines

[@huldu]

I'm a bit skeptical with "saving energy" when it comes to evolution especially when a bird loses its ability to fly, I believe it's more along the lines that it *doesn't* need to fly so it becomes redundant? Like those little fish that live in a cavern so they lost their eyes, what's the point of having eyes if you're living in complete darkness.

[@universe1879]

Its both, growing big wings to fly can cost energy and growing smaller ones cost less, when the bird is in a place where it doesn’t need to fly those big wings costs a lot of energy to do nothing and because of that birds that happen to have smaller wings use less energy to grow and survive, and they have an advantage to survive and breed more small wing birbs as a result

[@Kickilia]

It is a lot about saving energy, because even if you don't actively use something, pure maintainance is energy costly. Growing something it doesn't use (wings in this case) that it then has to spend lots of cells (that cost energy) continously renewing so the wings don't die and rot and become a massive source of problems for the bird -- it's just wasteful when it could spend that energy looking for mates or food. Instead, here, evolution favored birds that had smaller and smaller wings until they disappear and no extra energy has to be spent, since they don't use them anyway.

[@Ezullof]

If flight was just redundant, it would likely still remains possible because it wouldn't be detrimental. Traits disappear not because they are redundant, but because they are detrimental. Energy cost is a relatively common example, and it's likely the case here. The fish in caverns don't really lose their eyes, they lose the ability to see, both because it would cost too much energy to maintain and because mutations start piling on without being detrimental.

[@RunD.Ones1s]

My cat sends his thoughts and prayers

[@Sk8Bettty]

My cat would’ve. She leaps from her tree to the couch, catching toys out of the air with her teefs. Fierce!!

[@MrRosebeing]

Who knew. Cats hunt birds. It was never going to go well.

[@rridderbusch518]

PLEASE! It's NOT "ex-spearmint" !

[@hcn6708]

And yet despite all of that, people do oppose feral cat culls. Rats, mice, and hogs are fine, but not something generally considered adorable no matter how destructive. I'm so tired.

[@isen2619]

They control rodent populations, as they have been doing for millennia as our ally.

[@chattychatotchannel]

The people who do feral cat culls in outback australia get death threats to their families same with feral horses because people think they’re like pets despite the huge ecological damage they cause

[@hcn6708]

@@chattychatotchannel Genuinely sad, people never afford that same affection to feral hogs or Burmese pythons, I wonder why (people don’t really like them lol)

[@ryangriffin5362]

@@chattychatotchannel the people in the US who will protect feral horses with their literal lives but will gleefully insist that all wolves should be exterminated... it's literally exhausting.

[@Styphon]

Nobody there? Can I add to that population?

[@astralb.2647]

I forgive them because they're cute... but keep them in your home or yard!

[@williamdistefano5698]

Cats have been the end of flightless birds since smilodon and terror birds. 🤷‍♂️

[@martywhalen3673]

So, as an interesting side note, we moved to New Zealand last year, and none of the houses have screens. They also don’t have central heating/air like in the US, so the only way to get any air circulation or cool many of the rooms in the warmer months is by opening and closing (unscreened) windows and doors. And so cats (sometimes ones that aren’t even yours 😂) just come and go as they please, and having indoor-only pets is not a realistic option the way it was in the US 😢

[@Chameleonradio]

That's so weird, can't you get screens installed.

[@martywhalen3673]

@@Chameleonradio not as a ready-made thing, it would have to be a custom creation by you or a tradie with sourcing a fine mesh and sorting how to attach it to windows that are simply not designed to hold a screen with opening outwards from the bottom. We are renting at the moment and are even more limited on the types of house modifications we can make, but there's been talk on facebook groups of people trying to do this. I think the short answer is, it is a significant challenge and hard to do (and the only people who seem to care about having screens in the first place are Americans, not kiwis or UK transplants).

[@ChiChiLand299]

If we really did care about preserving the environment and we should probably just ban the ownership of cats and dogs because we can never guarantee that everybody will do the right thing. There are tons of animals let the cats and the dogs will kill in their lives before they die. But we know that's never going to happen and I know even you guys wouldn't be for getting rid of all the cats and dogs in the world even though it's actually for an environmental impact kind of situation is the right thing to do

[@isen2619]

The only reason bird species are struggling in many places to this point is the impact of humans on the environment. We pave over parks and put up glass skyscrapers and spray pesticides everyone and people think cats are the problem! Have you ever been in a natural location to watch a fireworks display?

[@ChiChiLand299]

@@isen2619 yeah and we also brought cats which is literally one of the most invasive species in the world lol And as much as people want to pretend humans are an invasive species were not a species that naturally proliferates and moves into new environments is simply a successful one that's really invasive species who's won the kids transplanted somewhere else that would be impossible under its own means

[@isen2619]

@@ChiChiLand299 Most of the world has many similar predators to cats. Places like New Zealand do not have those similar predators which is why cats are so devastating to the birdlife there. Birds and wildlife in the Americans, Africa and Eurasia evolved alongside cats and cat-like species.

[@Zach-ku6eu]

Hate this regurgitation series. All the useless repeated interruptions!

[@dracodracarys2339]

fortunately, feral cats have plenty of predators of their own 😂

[@emmahardesty4330]

Predators shouldn't be introduced to small islands. Bear in mind that most cats don't catch birds--things with superior eyesight and wings. Cats famously prefer things that scurry along the ground. Bear in mind that most birds are packed with disease, probably the one animal most responsible for human deaths. With time, natural selection offshoots human ignorance, and cats on islands such as Japan, England, Cypress, Crete have large, free-roaming cat populations and healthy populations of birds. Finally: How many billions of any bird species do we need?

[@ryangriffin5362]

With the exception of Cyprus all the places you listed have native species of wildcats in the genus Felis, so all the birds in those places are well-adapted to avoid the hunting strategies of domestic cats. In New Zealand there weren't even terrestrial mammals. Those birds had zero chance of adapting fast enough, and many simply couldn't due to their ecological niches. Domestic cats have been on cyprus for millenia, so it's actually unclear what their effect was on local bird populations/ diversity. Shifting baselines make us forget how much harm has been caused. Also not for nothing, but it is well-documented that wildcats in the genus Felis regularly hunt ground-dwelling birds. The many flightless birds of New Zealand that had virtually no predators at all were easy targets.

[@user-gy4up6cd5o]

这几个频道的男声都好像啊

[@AdamYJ]

Not gonna lie, Hank. As someone who didn’t see Season 0 when it first aired, the interruptions to correct yourself and expand on topics are a bit annoying. Though, I understand why this approach would be better than redoing these from scratch. Still, it’s informative.

[@luotuoshangdui]

People blame cats when human is the number one reason for extinctions

[@lauramcgovern3698]

The goodest cat

[@superkamehameha1744]

Keep your cats away from cat eaters

[@nanuqo2006]

Only took a few hours for the irrelevent racist dogwhistles to come out

[@superkamehameha1744]

@@nanuqo2006 found the sad liberal

[@askthebubble28]

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