What Regular People Think of Runescape

[@BonesawGaming]

This makes you wonder how many new players are actually coming to either versions of the game.

[@munclesonkey]

Yeah I definitely think Jagex should work on lower level content for RS3 to make it more attractive to newer players. RS3 doesn't really shine until higher levels where you can do end game content like kill bosses.

[@artbridder]

there is alot of lower pvm content aka kbd, the mole, chaos elemental kalpite queen

[@natashahidayah569]

artbridder those are old and outdated as well as boring. they should have bosses up to date with eoc as well!

[@jns6320]

Low level bosses have crappy drops because high levels would just farm them if they were any good.

[@littleolliebenjy]

I created a new account recently and to say that all the good content is at the high level is wrong. I actually like being low level - there's loads of quests to do, skills to train and it's just nice to explore all over again! Really fun :)

[@XTITANICXx]

artbridder dude.. he's talking about lvl 3 ppl that just started out, for those bosses where u r talking about u still need 60 or even 70+ combat skills..

[@WildernessGuardians]

I just spent the last 20 minutes customizing my RS3 interface to try and get into RS3 with an open mind. I now feel suicidal.

[@legacymodesavedrunescape1330]

Yeah same here.. If the layout was simpler like Pre - Eoc, I would of atleast tried getting into RS3, but I just can't even try its just too many layouts. I want to get a head start on legacy mode by training in RS3 but Im forced to wait because the RS3 interface is too difficult for me lol.

[@goobermunch1278]

Hopsin Mathers Why don't you enjoy PKing? People come into the game expecting to be able to walk out into the wild without practicing in any way, shape, or form. To be able to pk and get a sufficent amount of kills you need to know the combos, how to anti them, what ability's to use, and much more. People come to RS3, set up their interface and they think they're ready to pk when, in truth, they're not. RS3 takes practice, it took me a month or two until I had it down, it takes time to master. Spend some time practicing at the Duel Arena, White Portal, or any other safe PKing spot. Another helpful tip would be to get a friend and wear gear like Batwing with a Batwing Wand and Book and to practice your combos on each other. Best of luck, and I hope to see you out there!

[@goobermunch1278]

Legacy Mode Saved Runescape RuneScape 3 training is not that hard, mate. Just take some time to get used to it, you'll see it'll grow on you :)

[@SuperShyerGuy]

SergeytheScientist Agreed. Even though I like many of the changes that EoC brought to RS, I was a bit annoyed by their redistribution of services over the screen. I also had trouble finding my quest journal, and it took me nearly half an hour to find the achievement diary.

[@goobermunch1278]

Yeah it's really rough.. i've been playing it all along and there are some things i still don't know where they are!

[@MrInternetMan]

Jagex needs to hire this guy.

[@DoctorSargeMD]

I am a veteran RS player, I had played since 2004 and I loved everything about OSRS. When I tried playing runescape 3, I was immediately turned off because of the clunky interface being so confusing. Once I passed the tutorials and I started trying to figure things out on my own, I felt as though it was a really enjoyable experience. Some changes I felt were absolutely horrible, such as removing special attacks from weapons and removing armor bonuses. But all in all, I think both games are good, but OSRS is far more unforgiving, where as rs3 felt like it was almost too easy to level certain skills.

[@jamiemaster101]

i like how they removed some but non pk/pvp was stupid i do believe ags or was it bgs needed to be removed one hit spec kill

[@DoctorSargeMD]

It was AGS, it could hit like 75s if you were maxed out. I agree, the non pk/pvp was an aweful idea. I could barely get awesome loot drops from regular pks, then they had this weird pk system where you either lose it all, or gain garbage.

[@jamiemaster101]

alot of people did pk runs for lawlz but the people with the good shit where all those bastards that stood out in lvl 90 wild with their 130 buddies n just acient all the "skrubs"

[@inuyasha989]

hard to take your opinion seriously with that icon cause really only those kinds of people have an issue with such a simple interface :P

[@afrog2666]

special attacks are back ;)

[@Keidios]

I do like your quote: "RS3 should be the dominant game, but it has a lot to learn from old school." Nicely said. 19:15

[@senigunner]

You should be the CEO of Jagex dude... I mean you truly care about the community and could make everyone's dreams come true, you could unite both communities and satisfy everyone.

[@MING00P]

Thanks a lot for doing this, I understand the effort that something like this takes.

[@WildernessGuardians]

I will also say this, because it's really important. We can't afford to have two communities. It's poisonous. Their relationship is simple: old-school relies on leeching players from RS3 or retirement. There's going to be a day when old school becomes obscure, since new players don't play it - it's all veterans who will eventually move on. People get mad at me for asking for old school updates in RS3 because it will drive players away from old school. RS3 was always bound to be the longer-lasting game, so my mission is to save the best parts of 07 before it sinks. No old-school player should delude themselves that they have the game of the future. Props to you for enjoying it (and I certainly have enjoyed it), but you KNEW before it came out that it had a shelf life, so now it's time to live with the consequence of that decision.

[@spectralcoffee5177]

Barack Obama I think its trying to communicate...?

[@lindawells2112]

I was thinking this the day i heard about 07. I haven't even bothered playing it knowing only veteran players are on it, and it's only fueled by rs3.

[@FinSituation]

Rs 07 will live longer than Rs3 =)

[@spectralcoffee5177]

FinSituation rs07 is dying, slowly but steady, prices are going down, more money is coming in. Bots and merchers are taking over once again, its becoming EoC all over

[@tristanmckinzie8746]

Martin Jensen This is highly incorrect daily players have risen recently therefore you need to look further into your claims before you say anything.

[@LalienX]

Runescape is great if you love the appeal of watching your character grow from starting out with NOTHING.

[@TheDwellerinCarcosa]

Do you think after awhile you get too over powered

[@arijverhey7366]

+Cameron Bishop There were always stronger enemies to fight.

[@FishWaterBrewery]

As a veteran of RS for over 10 years, I can can say I like RS3. This game has gone through an evolution as all technical things do. Go back to your old brick phone and dump the new high tech I phone. Is basically what your saying. Your Lordship, your not the grandparents of Runescape, there are quite a few, old school geeks here more than twice your age. Yes, there was a huge decline in membership, Jagex nuked 1.5 million bots, scammers, thieves, cheaters in one day alone! The game is much better for it. I personally quit playing for 2 years when the bots got so bad. Hearing about the big bust, I came back and I am happy I did. Before the ability to buy legal gold, I know, and I am sure you know, many many players were buying illegal gold and running bot software 24/7 to max their accounts. So a large number of PK'ers were all BS, cheated every way they could to be better than the other guy. The game is on a more level playing field now. I hope Jagex has software in place to track players that make totally amazing advances in short periods of time. The interface is not complicated at all, a person just needs to look at it for 10 minutes and figure it out. I agree, some better tutorials would be helpful to new players. Of course some of the old players could try helping other players instead of standing around GE, trying to be elite and cool, LOL Graphics are much better than before, in my opinion. But, I run a custom built computer with a custom graphics card and good quality monitors. An out of the box HP or Dell or a small laptop is not going to work very well, in my expert opinion. Lastly, I would like to see the game segregated as far as age. Keep the childish stuff in kids only worlds and create some age verified adult worlds would be very cool, in my opinion. So, I give you some new food for thought WildernessGuardians. Cheers!

[@GenericOverload]

It doesn't matter how great the new game is to veterans. Veterans will leave once they're done. The game needs to attract new players, not work on keeping old ones.

[@FishWaterBrewery]

GenericOverload I agree, you made my point exactly. The game is evolving and WildernessGuardians are beside themselves. My point of saying I am veteran is, I know it is different. I can adapt, they are unable or unwilling to adapt. The new Alpha version of Legacy I have seen, is going to make them wanting, they will be be pissed off. Simple fact, you can't cheat and own the game any more!

[@DjMindis]

When i tried out RS3 i also liked the interface, it wasn't too hard but it was harder accessible than older interface when you need to teleport or check something before customising. Easy to understand when you have the idea of RS tabs though. Being able to see HP and weaknesses and such was also a great thing. I liked RS3 overall actually. However i wasn't happy about new combat, solomon store spam, buy spins stuff. It was just so fancy that it looks like it would actually annoy user more than please it. Also the lag... Meh this ain't Jagex's fault for my pc but it's still too laggy for browser game.

[@FishWaterBrewery]

qwerty1236902 Jagex has been under D-Dos attacks from the people they put out of business, so some lag may occur. They are prosecuting people as well. Making money is part of any business, so you buy things or not. It is not required. I support Jagex, they have a very large staff, that makes this game enjoyable for everyone. Their are people on here whining because they don't have ultimate combat level and defense, they now are not invinsable. They are very pissed off, that's what this video is about! I hope you work out any issues your having. Contact Fleugar in game if I can assist!

[@DjMindis]

Of course i don't have to buy that shit from solomon's or spins... keys, but the way they keep making it pop in your screen constantly reminding you is TOO ANNOYING. Like let me fkin play game i'd probably find random event a lot better than having tons of solomon/buy keys annoy me ingame. Oh and advertisements on log in when i'm trying to use bond for playing 07 i mean come on even if i wasn't a member at all i don't deserve such torture.

[@Senapsgurka]

Only reason I would play rs3 rather than 07 is because my good account is there

[@oswald266]

+Ludde B I was doing that for a long time.. got over it and went over to osrs

[@mikeyanes-rivas5782]

+Ludde B ur a scrub

[@fightomo]

Just finished watching and it was awesome. Thanks for making this it turned out really well. Jagex can't ignore these facts that you have put before them. It will be interesting to see what will come of this and I hope they themselves mention that they have seen it. It is a matter of life and death. Thanks again HL

[@WildernessGuardians]

Thank you too for watching. I know it's a long video for a game-related movie. I would appreciate it if you spread the word though. I truly worry that nothing will become of this research.

[@ImSanfew]

I still can't get over the fact that Jagex continued with eoc considering how many were against it & how they're blanking people who are still asking for it to return 14 months later. Private servers have pre eoc, so the whole '2007 was our only backup' excuse is bullshit & lies.

[@ItsAnH]

In a documentary they even stated that they lost the content they had from before 2007. I believe they showed that the very last backup they had was on a floppy disk and was the only chance for them to bring the old game back. So I'd believe an official documentary over your sour and poor behavior, sorry.

[@iAusMatt]

Your last subject, Elliott, is Harry Potter. That HAS to count for something.

[@elliotc6253]

Expelliarmus.

[@rocpet3]

Jagex needs to do research like this so that they can find out what actual people think of their content.

[@TraceguyRune]

I like Runescape pre EoC. Not necessarily 2007. I been playing Runescape from 2007-2012, and finally quit after beta ended for EoC

[@1God1Fury]

TraceguyRune Best years for me as well. 2008 HD update didn't changed Runescape graphics style. They only made them smoother and with better textures and some extra features such as fog, light effects and dynamic shadows. But Rs3 went by another path and redone absolutelly everything!

[@Gzilla4life1]

Asian with a European accent..... Mindfuck.

[@WildernessGuardians]

That's an Aussie accent :P

[@gigagamer3933]

WildernessGuardians even bigger mindfuck

[@tquasa07]

Yuki Haske Australia is a short flight from Japan

[@RSBless]

Australia is awesome (its my home country).

[@WildernessGuardians]

Um, not quite :P Quarter Chinese, quarter Malay, quarter Burmese and quarter Scottish!

[@JinxJigsaw]

This is a great video and completely valid. The new interface is completely distracting and overwhelming and doesn't explain anything. Simplicity is key to Runescape it's why I could play it on my potato of a computer as a poor kid growing up. They're trying to lure in new players but repelling both new and old players in the process. In addition I'm completely disappointed in the new costume system, I used to love seeing what type of an account someone was by simply looking at their gear. For example a Berserker Pure with Torso, F cape ect ect. This was an important aspect to the game because you could visually see how much work someone had put into their account.

[@BIAXlD3NT]

well put mate. so true...

[@xxdareaperzxxable]

But no, jagex has to be daft and add shit that make the game stupid. I don't want to see wings or fucking clown costumes because it's an mmorpg where you fight monsters, level your skills, meet new people and most of all have fun. But jagex has took away that ability from us by putting in content that we don't need. Also they are never going to bring back their old system, they've put in too much time and too much money into that. As much as we want to they won't get rid of eoc / rs3. Thank you for reading.

[@johncharles3907]

Really cool initiative, I myself don't play runescape anymore, but I enjoyed your video and I agree with the fact that they changed so many things in Runescape that I originally was excited about. Good job!

[@karilon0774]

Another thing I noticed on the whole about Runescape 3 is how cartoonish the whole game is, not just the tutorial. I like Old School because the graphics give a more medieval feel and more realistic feel to it. The armour on Rs3 looks fake compared to the realistic armour on 07 that looks more like real metal. Rs3 appeals so much more to very young kids. I recently even met a 6th grader who played Rs3, and when I introduced him to 07 he enjoyed it much more. Oh, btw, he doesn't even have the nostalgia and still loves it more then Rs3!!

[@adamunitedkingdom3908]

***** The armour updates somewhat look like your wearing a can of fizzy drink.

[@karilon0774]

Haha ikr? So it's more then just combat that motivates me to play 07. It's just overall better.

[@mrhumanguy3256]

Lmao the irony being Osrs players act like children and rs3 players take themselves WAY too seriously

[@diviknigam]

Man, this is the best video I have seen, where someone actually tries, has proper formatted information and is really cool! I like you!

[@whitewolfmountian6986]

this is the best Runescape video i've seen in a long time

[@DragonLink007]

This was a great idea to do, I really acknowledge your work and ways to compare the two games to strangers :)

[@VerySpecialMuffins]

is it me or does that one guy look like a slighty obese harry potter?

[@pbbvsworld]

I like how his shirt lines up with the couch... it's somewhat satisfying.

[@Crossing-Blades]

Jagex has better hire this guy!!!!!

[@RuneF00T]

Zlatin Zlatev third

[@chdata]

You're the first YT channel I've subscribed to since maybe 2010 when I used to sub channels.

[@explarimus007]

I like the guy with the yellow glasses, so chill n cool ^^ Guess he's a gamer aswell tho

[@elliotc6253]

That would be myself, thanks dude! :) I do game a bit, Skyrim being my personal favourite.

[@iStouts]

Elliot Corner in some ways you should be glad that you haven't played Runescape as a child. It's like meth

[@elliotc6253]

Yeah, I can totally see myself having played Runescape all the time if I'd discovered it back when I was younger. HisLordship is a great guy though, and a good friend of mine. Had no idea that he was a big deal in RS until he had asked me to be in the video and this had over 100k views!

[@iStouts]

Elliot Corner yeah he seems like a good guy, he wants the best for the community. Thanks for the reply!

[@TheJulian122]

Elliot Corner So have you continued to play Runescape 07?

[@sangyoonlee6818]

I really respect your research and was amazed to see such dedicated and analytic efforts. This is very interesting opportunity and I can see this may helping and supporting the claims the conventional players have been raising up. I learned many from this video. I hope thoughtful, innovative improvements made on fundamental aspects. Instead of mere replacing or substitution there should always be progression.

[@glennvanzeeburg7539]

high detail after 07 was the best thing ever i really liked that option

[@1God1Fury]

tuutuu duutuu but not after 2012 when they release a new graphics versions and turns into bright cartoonish style with unrealistic structures. And I don't like the new Npc's and some monsters designs. For example Saradomin, which version of him is more fitting for Runescape? Old version img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130305002740/runescape/images/d/d8/Saradomin.png or Rs3 version? img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130813114100/runescape/images/archive/e/e5/20150219175804!Saradomin_%28The_Death_of_Chivalry%29.png

[@glennvanzeeburg7539]

i agree

[@1God1Fury]

Darkwisp Well I never had seen the old Zomorak design anywhere, so I can't tell

[@1God1Fury]

Darkwisp The god wars dungeons bosses are servants, main warlords/generals of gods. But they don't represent gods as how they look. For example: Nex. Do you really think that this is how Zaros looks like? Of course no

[@1God1Fury]

Darkwisp it's okay. PvMers get used to call those bosses by the gods they workship since their name it's either hard to pronounce or too long. So this is how players called them for short.

[@crazynoob3]

This is a great video man, keep it up. I learnt a lot :)

[@Olypleb]

45 minutes to build an opinion on a game with thousands of hours worth of content

[@WildernessGuardians]

I'm repeating myself. You don't make it to those several thousands of hours unless you like the first 45 minutes. In 45 minutes (after finishing the tutorial) most players decide whether they'll keep playing or not. I'm sure you've done the same for many games, starting them and deciding not to finish. This experiment isn't wrong because it only gave them the first 45 minutes. That's a pretty decent time investment.

[@gaara10122]

WildernessGuardians Yeah true... :| |: :| |: :| |: :| |: :| |: :| |:

[@altNaleyForever]

***** had similar problems most started with the new dungeoneering,the skill was such a large collaboration of everything I don't think the servers at the time could handle it, now today they added in so many more large collaborations with clan islands etc that they would create more lag.

[@keatonjones7385]

"Would you play it again?" "Yeah possibly... when I get more high."

[@leamJG]

I did the same thing. I tried to play RS3, but then I just found it way to difficult. It was so overwhelming. I then started playing 07scape when it became Free2Play a couple days ago, which was when I started playing Runescape (I was 10 in 07). It gave me this nostalgic feeling, and after I started leveling up a bit, I became so addicted to it. F2P might have came out only a couple days ago, but I have now bought a membership so I can enjoy it all completely. By the way, I stopped playing back in 2012, or whenever EoC came out. I had actually been a member for a couple of months when it came out, and felt utterly disappointed when it came out, and didn't play anymore. It completely ruined my experience, and I let my membership run out.

[@AustinHertz001]

theguyshadows Can I have ur acc? :P

[@TheKoekiemonster1234]

Sigaraya Nesora greedy dick.

[@maxmousegaming6783]

I want to start by saying, I like your presentation and concept towards what you think about both versions of RuneScape. I like seeing when someone has a reasonal structure behind what they want to contest with the game instead of just flaming the changes Jagex has made. I started RuneScape in April '05. It was my first MMORPG, my first step into the online gaming community, and how I began my life as an online gamer. The game was simply amazing to me, but of course being the first game I ever played online, of course it looked great to me. I've stuck with the game, never quitting, ever since. I became a member about a year after joining, and was so excited to try the members content. I'm still a player, and I'm still happy with the game, even with all the new changes. The changes Jagex made are actually common changes. A hardcore gamer who's played many online games will tell you that a lot of the new content, the combat system being the most noticeable, is actually present in many other games. I wouldn't change the content for anything, or the features we have..However.. You are right about the one big part that makes RuneScape seem...empty. The lack of new players. We do need a better Tutorial. The Ashdale tutorial is nice, and a great way to make a person feel like a hero, but it's not clear on how to play the game. The old tutorial covered everything in the simplest of matters. I agree. We need to bring back Tutorial Island. I want to make my own suggestion to this however: Tutorial Island returns with some tweaks. Allow the players to learn about both combat styles at the combat tutorial. Allow them to click a monster to auto-attack it, as in the old system, get used to it and kill a few things, maybe a small boss that is unaffected by the EoC combat system. Afterwards give them a monster (or a few) that requires the use of the EoC system to kill. After showing them both combat systems, allow them to decide at the end of the combat tutorial which system they would prefer to use more of. From there they can choose in the game what systems to use. I do think that they could add a few worlds in the RS3 World-List that disallows the use of the Actionbar and Abilities list, thus making them "Legacy worlds". This would allow players that want to use Legacy mode in PvP, to do so without being jumped by EoC stun/bleed users. That's just my little input. I do agree with you. We have great things for high-level players, but that's all that really exists now. Low-level players are actually a rare sight, and most of them are just alternate accounts of higher level players.

[@codethemgames2089]

i played Runescape in 2007 at the age of 5 ;p and all i did was run around, kill goblins and try and buy new swords without realizing there was a ranking system xD.

[@huntercarpenter4173]

Me too!

[@elskepode2]

Long time no see, Derpy Dan.

[@soopcan]

my brother had introduced me to runescape when I was 11, (back in 06) and then wondered why I had 70 strength, in half a year. and I was f2p too!

[@AustinHertz001]

The reason why RS07 had that type of Music is because it has a more medieval feeling, that's how it would sound probably during a wedding in the medieval ages. As you know, Runescape is a game pointed at medieval times, with dragons and longswords, kiteshields, knights, bows. It has many medieval elements, tossing aside the non-medieval stuff like fighting bugs lol or giants or floating axes. This is like playing Skyrim. As for the combat system of both... RS3 and RS07 have a bit of a dragging combat system but you can kill faster with RS3 and have a wider variety of killing your opponent. The graphics.... Personally, as a person who played RS2 during 09, I enjoyed RS07 more, it was a lot more nostalgic after I came back after a year, like I quit few months or so after EoC was released, and RS07 had a bit of shitty/retro graphics, but the graphics were tolerable, as someone who has a VERY SHITTY computer and can tolerate some Low graphic games like Minecraft or Arma OFP. The music of RS3? It's quite good, it fits in with the combat and game, but not very nostalgic to me as 07 was. The Interfaces...? I hated RS3's interface when they added more shit, I liked the simpler version of the interface when EoC was still new, as it wasn't confusing as much. But now, it's just TOO MUCH. 07:Simple, am a natural with the simple interface of 07, being someone who was able to experience RS2 in 09. Overall, I prefer 07. Why? I love the music more in 07. I prefer a simpler combat system, despite taking forever to kill sometimes. I prefer 07's interface over RS3's messiness. Graphics? RS3 seemed like half-assed graphics of WoW. I like the simple graphics of 07, nostalgic and not too eye-killing and not too dull.

[@millertas]

My now deceased son was a runescape legend (persona 'FatWrecked'). I tried on the old system but was hopeless so perhaps I would be hopeless on the new format.

[@Alexie]

I have so much respect for you for making this video c:

[@GamingTaylor]

How to fix the game: -Revert to Old Interface "Style" (not bad graphics, just simple streamlined interface) -Revert to Old Combat System -Add WASD movement... it's key to attracting the core gaming audience or make movement faster paced. (Diablo 3 or Action-RPGs do a great job of movement / combat, and should be streamlined to the MMO experience) -Jagex also needs to realise in the future that many players like the "AFK Experience", I can hardly remember a time when I was focused solely on Runescape...I like to click every so often and watch tv.

[@Douwantapotato]

not at all. Many have clinged to EoC for more engaging combat. Would you like to grind Vorago for 20 minutes doing nothing? Don't think so.

[@Douwantapotato]

Besides, Legacy is coming soon anyway.

[@GamingTaylor]

Andres Ospina Before EoC, you didn't "do nothing" at nex, or any boss for that matter. There was a lot of strategy you had to account for, and a lot of actions you had to do which mostly involved inventory management. There's a reason why I love old-RS combat, and Action-RPG combat (Ex. Diablo), but absolutely HATE MMO combat (Ex. WoW, EoC RS), and most vets would probably agree that the system before EoC was better. Perhaps not "as engaging" but definitely easier to understand, while still being difficult to master. EoC flips it around...hard to understand...easy to master..(seeing how all armors/weapons nowadays have little difference, and once you "get it" there's not much you can do to improve)

[@MikeMiller-gc2lo]

wasd movement wont be helpful unless they change the delay runescape has always had...

[@GamingTaylor]

Mike Miller it's about time they DO fix the delay...lol

[@dailyfacts3649]

Im a 5 year veteran of WoW, 1 year veteran of Rift, 8 year veteran of Runescape. I have played many other MMO's but none ever lasted as long as the 3 listed above. In my opinion Runescape has the most things to do in it than any other MMO I've played. You have the choice to do almost anything you want. So many different skills to choose from, minigames, and so much more content and quests. The quests are actually engaging as well. Much better than other games that just give you more of a task of obtaining an item, where as Runescape has hundreds of quests that actually have some sort of storyline, with humor in it as well.

[@karilon0774]

My ultimate goal in life is to make a billion dollars, buy jagex, and make 07 the only rs :)

[@krideri2]

Get a life..

[@jackstephens7805]

There is no way Jagex is worth 1 billion.

[@RoyScot]

then prepare to lose 3/4 of the player :)

[@WildernessGuardians]

Well that wouldn't be anything new, would it?

[@karilon0774]

Guys, we all have our fantasy's, don't we? Obviously Jagex isn't worth a billion and I obviously couldn't make a billion lol

[@KiyoPenspinning]

as a student of psychology, I do have quite in depth knowledge of experimental designs and what you did is not representative becauseit lacks the number of people. how can you say that after 6 people, they represent on average music students between the age of 19 and 24 (I guess) for both female and male students with different gaming experience. You considered a lot of factors which is the reason for why I think it only lacks in the overall number of people (the more factors the more people you should consider for that to be representative). And I just remembered: It is very important to randomize the order of which they play the games, otherwise systematic errors can occur which may bias the result. As a "pilot study" though, what you did is completely fine and can hint into something future investigations have to figure out. Enough with the critics, I really like what you did and was very interested in the outcome of this. thanks and also for the dedication of your work. 30 pounds is not little and I cannot stress enough how much I liked your approach. Keep it up! I know very well that I may sound too "strict" for what you did, but if you really wanted to give a shoutout to jagex, then this design would not have convinced me. Now I am preparing for a shitstorm, although I am trying to be constructive and said that I liked what you did. Damn! aaand yes I do realize this vid is 18 months old but I just cant stop to shut it lol

[@BIG2hats]

The true problem with Runescape is that it takes a good year of playing to have a good understanding of how everything works to fully be able to enjoy the game...The whole thing needs re-doing from the ground up... + using wsad to move your character and making it a fully downloadable game (not a child like in browser java game) would make people take it more seriously and make people like me buy a membership again...

[@TheGreenOneLives]

wasd isn't a Runescape thing, though.

[@BIG2hats]

Lamicktin And thats a problem. but it can be never be changed because its way deep in the gam mechanics

[@Brooomstick]

It is a downloadable game, and wasd can be used to move your camera... And It only takes a year to get used if your're going for 99 in a stat straight after getting a bronze dagger from a goblin -_-

[@BIG2hats]

Sokan1993 My point 100%

[@Brooomstick]

Sokan1993 I never said WASD was to move the character -.-

[@ameliap.8904]

Oh my gosh, I haven't played this game in so many years! I agree, the RS music is great! Thanks for all your efforts in trying to revive the game. I might go back and play again sometime. So many memories :P

[@dF_fallz]

Runescape 2005/06/07 etc wasn't just a game to some people...

[@bloodbarage]

I have played Runescape since my cousin introduced it to me back in 2003. I've been playing ever since and even played classic. I think the major problem that Runescape has and how we are looking at it is that people in fact do move on. They move on in life, they move onto other games, or they just grow up. Sure, I remember the days when I had 100+ people online and having clan fights or edgeville 1v1s, but I found that other games offered a higher skill curve and the ability to be able to start over and put minimal effort into character creation. I found that World of Warcraft offered a higher skill curve and the ability to make multiple characters without spending money on individual ones. The boot up time to create a fully geared and fledged character is often times quite easy with the help of others. Playing 07 and Pre-RS3 has always been a struggle to find time and energy to grind a character with the efficient stats, quests, items, and gold. (Gold was never an issue with a maxed main, but for some I'm sure Rune Scimmies and DDSes were hard to come by with the prices). I have far too much to say about runescape, both good and bad. The fact is that the drop of players doesn't just come from EoC. Hackers, bots, economy drops, age groups moving on, and other games with a lower learning curve or greater learning curve all affect the growth of this game. I would love to forward my support, though. Being a Runescape PvP vet from the days before EoC, I would enjoy to see Runescape grow. I wish to give back what Runescape gave me.

[@RsShortVids]

Send this to Jagex I want to see what they think about it.

[@WildernessGuardians]

Jagex has seen it... a lot lol. I know Mod Mat K, Mod Reach, Mod Matthe and Mod Pi have seen it and are circulating it around the office :) As to what they think, they've given lots of compliments but no detailed feedback.

[@Tashbunny]

WildernessGuardians I hope you do make a follow up video about what they say. I am very curious to know.

[@KidzOnDidz]

Amazing video, great research and points. Well worth watching. Personally I play RS07 rather than RS3 for a wide variety of reasons which I shouldn't bore anyone with. We all have our own opinions so nobody should hate on another for playing the different versions.

[@BeffyStack]

One flaw with the study: You didn't have every subjects do the experiment in the same place. You switched from your room to some cafe.

[@LowSoulGamers]

Also the lack of randomization, small sample size, lack of adequate time to experience all aspects of both games, etc.

[@LowSoulGamers]

Statistics lol.

[@13ofus]

if you notice at beginning of video he says they are all students and are busy so he probably got half of them while they were on break.

[@FrickinCherryPickin]

Wow. This was excellent. Great job in every way and extremely solid opinions.

[@duck5336]

would someone please!!! Please!! hire this man to Jagex Studios???!!

[@GirlGamerRunescape]

This was a really cool watch! considering I'm new and just made a Vlog of me in Tutorial island 07, and then trying RS3, which I found confusing and literally gave up in the mainland.

[@FireOfJagz]

I must disagree with this video. RS3 requires much, much more time than 45mins to understand the game and cb system. And if you first login you will play at low quality, with bright and cartoonish colours. But when you change to hq it is really a lot better! However i do agree that the new tutorial is confusing, they should just have updated the tutorial island to learn the basics of the game better. -Have a nice day... :)

[@smeecko]

Fire of Jagz I'm not sure if you have noticed yet, but the video was posted over a year ago. It looks like jagex took notes.

[@bigmoneymike3377]

Jezza thats unlike jagex lol. I agree with his point though still. The entire new tutorial has cartoon graphics and is just genuines bad in my opinion

[@alecbeach491]

+Fire of Jagz The combat system, I think, is unfair to judge in 45 minutes. But they were right on the money when they said something needs to be done about the interface.

[@RRapierre]

+Fire of Jagz Most people don't have more than an hour to spend, have you not realized that yet? If it wasn't fun in the first hour then for sure they won't stick to it. Even gamers don't have that much time, they'd say "it's been an hour but I personally don't like it so far, it's not very enticing. I'd rather go back to playing CS:GO or some other game." There's no point in making the game fun only at the end-game. What's the point? To work your ass off only to have fun when you're much more experienced? The amount of time to be high-leveled isn't the same for everyone, some take months, others take years. It's just not worth it looking at it from a time vs enjoyment perspective. I mean look at CSGO, WoW, CoD, Elder Scrolls, Assassin's Creed, Starcraft, MGS, Minecraft, literally hundreds of games, thousands more on steam. If you play any other game, chances are, you'll be hooked and addicted in the first 15 minutes. The gaming world is much much different than 10 years ago, gamers have dozens and dozens of games (I'm looking at you, Steam) and to spend hours *just to learn* the basics from a game like RS isn't worth it. Beck then, MMOs were really popular, there was WoW, Everquest, D&D, and a bunch of cheap Asian MMOs. RS had more exposure back then. Now, there's barely any new people. There are a lot of gamers who played RS when they were younger, but only a fraction of them know OSRS is back. Jagex barely has any advertisement. The only place to find out about f2p osrs is Reddit, KZbin... basically the internet. And even if old gamers find out about OSRS, what are the chances of them playing again when they're busy with LoL, DotA, CSGO, GTAV, TW3, MGSV, Fallout 4, Dark Souls, or even Battlefront? MMOs are falling out of style, even WoW lost players - it used to have 10 million, two years ago, now they have 7 million and steadily dropping. RS will never die because the hardcore players never leave it. RS3 is full of hardcore maxed players and duplicate accounts of people who have maxed multiple times. OSRS is full of old hardcore nostalgic players and the occasional rare actual new player. *But* that's it, RS won't ever get a huge influx of new players. RS3's playercount has consistently been under 90k for the past 4 years. OSRS has consistently been under 60k for the past 3 years. No matter how much hope you have, Runescape's numbers will stay static. I played RS3 for 2 years then I quit. When f2p osrs came out, I was excited for a while and played for maybe 6 months then quit. I was a low level veteran in a game full of hardcore nostalgic/maxed players who do nothing but grind and get maxed. And now that I'm in college I can't afford to go back to that lifestyle. Usually I play Mount&Blade, GTA, or other games on steam in my free time. And my other RS friends have moved on to being generic gamers who play more than one game on an ultra gaming pc. I'd play Rs if it was the only game in the world, but it's not. It's time to stop maxing your 10th account think about what else you can do in your time...

[@RRapierre]

SwiyftRS Lol I don't play Runescape? Lol this is me services.runescape.com/m=hiscore/compare?user1=Rapierre I last logged in last month. And did you even read the whole post? Almost all the games I've mentioned are PC games, too. I mentioned Steam at least twice. You can buy GTAV on Steam you know... "The reason why rs is one of the most unique games out there is because it takes a long time to get into it, not many other games are like that" I can literally name dozens of examples of games that take long to get into. LoL, CSGO, or DotA: when you start, you are worse than a noob. It takes you months just to even be decent. And WoW for example, is a larger world and more fleshed out content. Why do you think after WoW's most recent expansion, they let players have the option to start a new character at level 90? Because it takes so damn long. WoW itself invalidates that statement. "Runescape is not the game you get into if you can only play 1 hour a day" Well, that can't be helped, right? Nobody can do anything about that. However many adults with full time jobs play WoW even though they only have 1 or 2 hours of free time every day. I have 1000+ hours on Mount&Blade on Steam even though I barely have any free time. It took me more than an hour to get a hang of the game. Of course, it's beginning to sound like Runescape, spend more than an hour, even days and days to get good and know the basics, right? Well *the difference is that during the process of getting into a game, it has to be more fun than work.* Games like Dark Souls are always really long and hard in the first 3 hours, but people keep coming back to play it because it's less work and more fun. And every thing is dynamic in the first times, as opposed to Runescape where the tutorial drags on and you always know what to do in the first 50 levels. A majority of Jagex's updates after 2013 were high-level/endgame content. Priffdinas? A veteran making a new account can unlock it within a couple months or even several weeks. As far as a noob is concerned though, Prif required them to endlessly grind skills and go through a bunch of puzzle quests. I'd suspect that more players would come back to RS and stay if Jagex copied WoW, and give players the option to start at level 80. But Jagex is too stingy for that.

[@davesquad6796]

I really love your videos man, personally I quit Runescape after EOC came out but a very close friend of mine stayed with it until Legacy mode was released and I came back on with a 100% use of the new system. Jagex should definitely be starting the game defaultly on Legacy mode and allowing players to progress into the new system.

[@akamaru576]

OMG IT WAS SO FUNNY WHEN HE SAID "OK JUST LOG OUT". AND SHE COULDN'T! I WAS THE SAME WAY THE FIRST TIME I PLAYED RS3

[@Hippiehawp]

Zlatin Zlatev Oh daaang.. I had troubles loggin off ole school rs.. theres like a total of 10 different banners to choose... maybe its in my inventory.. nope, my quest journal?... nope gotta be my friends list... Just shut up dude, compaired to the new shit they call an interface.. old school is that shit and so much easier to use. therefor, your face is invalid for trying to act smart and having a completely made up name!! like that shit isn't real! thats that ginger dude that owns the whore house in Moluin Rouge.. you're not cool just because you can comment on peoples posts.. that is all

[@edt5904]

I started playing back whenever the rubber chicken was released. I found it very addicting and played for many hours. I really enjoyed the massive clan war pking in the wildy. i quit back in 2007. on and off when bounty hunter was released. Iv'e recently just played the new beta elder scroll testing. I haven't been this excited since I first played runescape. Your videos are awesome and I really hope they improve in the future. - USA- chicago

[@mallaceis771]

Hardcore gamer. Played Call of duty... Can't mess with that logic. The guy who played AoE seems to have a waaaay better grasp on video games.

[@B00mano]

I always enjoy listening to people who are so well spoken.

[@ryan_leach]

will RS 08 graphics update ever come to OSRS 07, thats how runescape SHOULD look.... not like RS3....i want 08 with wildy!! please jagex

[@pooloolmool]

thanks for putting a lot of work into this vid lordship

[@canyoureadmynamelol]

when she said "i like bad" :^D

[@handcannon2523]

Ashdale isn't a "tutorial" tutorial like what OSRS has. It's more of a start of a storyline just to educate you of what the game is about and how it's all gonna start for you. For the actual tutorial in RS3 you have to go to Burthorpe and talk to the NPCs with skill icons on top of their head to actually learn about each individual skills and then get beginner challenges from them to get going. Burthorpe has almost all skill related NPCs there to teach you about skills, except Dungeoneering and Divination, I think. But don't quote me on that, it's been a while I've done those beginner tasks. RS3 has by far the better learning tools and contents at beginner level than what OSRS does. I'm sure it would say in the tooltip somewhere to go to Burthorpe about in-detail "tutorial" about the actual skills. I appreciate your effort to make RuneScape better, but this is not the right way. Tutorial isn't the reason why new players aren't coming in the game. Main reason is lack of publicity. And it's just naturally hard to start on a game that has most of people at higher level so a mere tutorial update won't be able to get new players.

[@Lunaholic94]

having 10 year cape, rs3 > osrs but I agree holy shit that tutorial makes me ashamed... it's nothing like the actual game is. looks like a game designed for 7 year old kids whereas the game itself is very adult-like that tutorial is an instant turn-off it needs to be fixed

[@marcusaurelius5408]

This is by far one of the best Runescape based video's I have ever seen IN MY LIFE. Not the best as in RS content but the basic facts we need to face as a gaming community.

[@AcesTankRs]

Jagex needs to buy advertisements if they want new players

[@richardasap9772]

They made 80 million from the game in 2012 from all the mircos, old school vote, Rs membership etc.... they dont even advertise big when Runescape 3 came out. Only on there KZbin channel. When World Of War Craft Mists of Pandaria came out it was everywhere. I could understand if Jagex is using there money on something else like Transformer Universe etc....

[@TehGettinq]

wow you are extremely passionate. Thats fun to watch, great video! I honestly think you could bring interesting ideas to Jagex and help them building a stronger game. Go on mate!

[@LowSoulGamers]

As someone who plays both 07 and RS3 (or at least I used to play RS3), I can say that this is such a biased video. If you don't allow people, especially the experienced gamer, to experience the full pallet of abilities, especially if that gamer has played WoW, he will think the combat is slow. The spin you're putting on this is so biased towards 07 that it is just kind of pathetic. Honestly, when people play a casual MMO like this, I can guarantee you that the vast majority play without sound, and just listen to music, so I don't really see why that is in issue. Also on the topic of the interface of RS3 "not looking like it used to", there are preset interfaces that you can choose from, and the ones of lower graphics represent something similar to the interface in 07, so there goes that argument. What you should've done is let the gamers watch some end game content from both games, for example GWD in 07 and Vorago for RS3. Then ask them which one they would prefer to experience, and which one is more interesting. Honestly, the relevance of someone who has never gamed before doesn't make much sense in this situation because, if they had never gamed before, why would they start now on Runescape? It seems obvious that someone who has never gamed is gunna find the more simple game easier to play, because it IS. The original 2007 rs was when more younger people played this game, and the majority of the community was young. This game, for me and for many, was a starter/catalyst MMO. You should have gotten KIDS to try out these games because THAT is primarily the population that will be the "new" players being introduced into this game.

[@WildernessGuardians]

You've explained why you thought this was biased, and I see your points. Let me explain to you now that I had no choice, and that maybe you should reconsider your stance against this video. 1. YOU said: "If you don't allow people, especially the experienced gamer, to experience the full pallet of abilities, especially if that gamer has played WoW, he will think the combat is slow." Well actually, the abilities are all locked in the tutorial except for 'kick'. When he got to the mainland and learned overpower, the WoW player said it was better but still bad. So blame the tutorial for locking the abilities, not my experiment. 2. YOU said: "Honestly, when people play a casual MMO like this, I can guarantee you that the vast majority play without sound, and just listen to music, so I don't really see why that is in issue." How does this bias the experiment? They had the option to turn off sound and they did much of the time. All new players start with sounds because that is the game default. 3. YOU said: "Also on the topic of the interface of RS3 "not looking like it used to", there are preset interfaces that you can choose from, and the ones of lower graphics represent something similar to the interface in 07, so there goes that argument." Well the new players were not shown how to customise their interface. They used what they were given, the same as every other new player. That's not biased. If they were shown how to change the interface they could have and I wouldn't have stopped them. 4. YOU said: "What you should've done is let the gamers watch some end game content from both games, for example GWD in 07 and Vorago for RS3." Wel, yeah that's fair enough, except it takes thousands of hours to get to that level. Do you think a new player is going to train for hours and hours before deciding to continue playing or not? Nope, they'll decide during or at the end of the tutorial whether they want to play Runescape, so why should I give them end-game content when every other human being on Earth starts with the tutorial? 5. YOU said: "Honestly, the relevance of someone who has never gamed before doesn't make much sense in this situation because, if they had never gamed before, why would they start now on Runescape?" There are people who have never played games until discovering Runescape and I'm one of them. Just because they aren't gamers does NOT mean they won't start on Runescape. 6. YOU said: "You should have gotten KIDS to try out these games because THAT is primarily the population that will be the "new" players being introduced into this game." And I said that in the video, that the great problem was that I didn't have access to kids. Maybe another time. So in summary, the first five points aren't my fault, and the final point I mentioned in the video as a disclaimer, and alerted the entire public to. There's not a single thing in your criticism I agree with, and hopefully I have answered your concerns adequately.

[@LowSoulGamers]

Counter Post: 1) I understand you are letting them play the tutorials, which makes sense and all, but perhaps you should have let them play for a bit longer than just doing the tutorials. The tutorial island on 07 covers a lot more of the game than the tutorial in RS3. Not gunna lie the tutorial for RS3 kinda blows, and I see your point that it isn't your fault. The thing about tutorial island is, it lets them start off with EVERY aspect of the game, whereas the RS3 tutorial only gives them a VERY narrow glimpse. 2) I understand they all start with sound on, but you had a specific standing on the end that was specifically covering the sounds of the game. I feel like that is kind of irrelevant to the actual content that the people will come to enjoy and it presents a subtle bias towards causing someone to dislike the game over sounds, which they have the ability to turn off. 3. Clicking the settings option to edit something is pretty widely known amongst gamers, even a first timer should be able to pick up on something like that from mere common sense. The reason they didn't edit their UI's is more likely because they only had 45 minutes to play, so they chose to spend that time playing instead of fussing with their UI, which once again, leads into the point of bias by not giving them enough time to fully experience RS3, when the time given WAS enough to cover 07. The reason for this is that RS3 is a more complicated (although still very basic) game, so by giving them 45 minutes, you allow them to pick up on the simplicity of 07, but not the complexity of RS3. 4. Because that is what motivates a gamer to play? Yeah, it takes a long time to get there, but if you show someone a game without showing them the rewards / goals they can have in the game, it is a hell of a lot more likely to get boring. If they saw how interesting and complex end game content can be on RS3 it might motivate them to get more into it, especially for the more 'experienced' gamers. 5. I'm not saying it is impossible for someone to start on Runescape, but what are the odds of someone starting on this as opposed to any other game. Most people only play this because they have in the past, or have heard about it through friends. Otherwise, in order to find it they would've had to look up something along the lines of "popular MMOs", meaning that they would have some kind of gaming knowledge before hand. 6. That kind of ruins the results of your entire survey. By only taking a sample of 6 young adults, it kind of defeats the purpose of finding new players, since the vast majority of the players are going to be a lot younger than that. There is a HUGE conflict of interest that comes with age, and the study that is done poorly is better to not have been done at all. So, in summary, all of these points ARE your fault, since you were the one conducting the survey, and the one who decided to post the video, pick the people (which wasn't random selection), and chose the categories for what was evaluated as 'crucial'.

[@WildernessGuardians]

Thanks for a mature reply. Let me respond as neutrally as I can. 1. As you said it isn't my fault, and you argue for letting them play longer than the 45 minutes I allocated them. From my limited glimpse into new player habits, most people who decide to quit the game will do so in this time frame, and usually don't play longer than an hour. Therefore I think we're agreed that the tutorial needs to be more encompassing, and it's one thing where RS3 can learn from 07. 2. I guess there's a taste difference in terms of sound, but when you consider that sound is 50% of the sensory stimulation involved in gameplay, you might agree that it is still an important consideration. Why is this showing bias, could you clarify? I don't think I understand what you're saying 3. We're agreed in so far as RS3 being a larger learning curve. Where we disagree is on whether I gave enough time. The reason I argue I did is because I know (and I sadly can't show proof as this would be in violation of my contract with Jagex) that 45 minutes is more than enough for people to make up their minds about the game. Human attention spans are typically 10 minutes, less for young people. Most online games (the free ones at least) get slightly longer than this to prove themselves interesting. We can't expect players to commit to 2-3 hours of gameplay before deciding to continue or not, sadly. Runescape needs to grab them within the first few minutes, meaning the interface needs to be friendly from the start. 4. Regarding showing them final content, this might be a good marketing strategy to show them end-game content, but I can't fly around the world to every prospective player and do that. Perhaps it can be shown to them in the tutorial somehow. This point we're debating proves one of my other points in another video that Jagex have spent a long time looking after veterans and have malnourished the new player experience. 5. Fair enough that most people don't start on Runescape, but let's look at the sample group - only one of them was a non-gamer, with five others giving opinions. I thought it would be nice to include a non-gamer to just round off the sample group. There was no real harm in including her. 6. This is the point I'm most reluctant to debate on because I concede that it is the greatest shortcoming of the experiment. I wonder though how differenlt young people would take to Runescape. I might try that experiment next. What we do know from this experiment is that 07 was more popular with ADULT beginners, and MMG told me face-to-face (and has said publicly) that he wants to make a game that he himself wants to play, as an adult. He and Jagex have tried to avoid making a kid's game on the premise that children often play adult games (think CoD) but not vice versa. I am still mulling that idea over but he has a point nonetheless. Because my testers weren't children is a problem, but I think we can still get valuable information from this. To finish I must also stress the fact that I am not an 07 fanboy. I actually refused to vote for old school servers when the poll came out. Yes, I play 07 now, but that's because all the PKers are there. I love both versions of Runescape equally (and I hope you believe me). The fact that 07 had better results for the tutorial was not rigged and I swear it. I myself was surprised, so I can see why you might come to the conclusion that I biased the test. Please understand that I tried really hard to cover all corners and while the experiment is not perfect I think it has more integrity than you've given me credit for and I implore you to reconsider. To help strengthen this video's credibility, I'll also say that it was seen by MMG, Mod Mark, Mod Pips, all the old school team, and approximately half of the Runescape team at Jagex. When I went to visit Jagex it was universally praised as a great experiment by all the executives, and might even be one of the reasons I was invited... who knows... but the point is not to brag, but to say that the experiment was appreciated by the makers of the game who themselves have conducted lengthy tests on massive sample sizes.

[@LowSoulGamers]

1) Clarified 2) It presents a bias because of the way you presented it in the outro, it isn't really relevant enough to influence whether or not someone plays the game, because they can simply turn it off if they dislike it, so it shouldn't be included imo. 3) You could give them a mandatory 45 minutes and then allow them to play as long as they want afterwards, this way if there was any interest whatsoever in the game, they could show it by continuing to play. 4) True enough, but I mean a trailer or a stronger preview prior to seeing the game would have worked, like a montage of boss killing and whatnot, almost like a commercial. After showing them that for the game they are about to play, pass them the laptop. 5) I don't think there was harm, I just think it doesn't help your mini-study, because it was kind of irrelevant. If it can be "assumed" that someone would get bored of a game in 10 minutes, which you mentioned earlier, than it could also be assumed that someone who is likely to get bored of such a game in 10 minutes would be in the non-gamer category. This would label her as an outlier, making her opinion irrelevant. 6) The point of your survey was moreso regarding new players, and since the majority of new players are going to be younger, that is where the point lies. If your study was attempting to show which game that ADULTS prefer, it would be fine, but I just think that since you are generalizing it to all 'scapers', it should have been a variety of people, and the number of each age group in the sample size should represent the number of people in that age group playing. I know this isn't possible given the time/budget you probably had to make this video, but it would be optimal, and if you managed to PERSONALLY get to see the Jmods, then I'm sure they could help you conduct a proper survey.

[@WildernessGuardians]

LowSoulGamers Let me say first that I'm really grateful for the fact that you are having this debate maturely with me without getting too personal and emotionally involved. It's nice to have an open-minded discussion on the internet and that's really rare. Let's go back to the points at hand. 2. I think we're disagreed on whether I should have used sound as a factor compared to all the other things at play in the tutorial since it doesn't affect the experience as much as other things. Let's put it this way then. Putting emphasis on sound doesn't distract from their other judgments does it? Does it hurt the experiment to get their opinions on it? 3. This is a good idea actually. I did the next best thing and asked them if they would continue or not so at the 45 minute mark we can get the retention rate. For RS3, 4 said no and 2 said maybe, so let's assume that two of them would have kept going a while longer. For 07 there were two yes, two maybe and two no, meaning four of them would have kept going after the 45-minute mark. I'm curious to see what would happen after 45 minutes as well, because it's possible that we would have lost all four of the 07 players shortly afterward and kept the two RS3 players for a long time. Or the opposite could happen too. Anyway, letting them continue would be fun to watch but I think asking them after 45 minutes if they'd continue was good enough and also important as a variable control. 4. Showing a trailer would be a completely different experiment. The current experiment shows the beginnings of both games as they are, giving my subjects an open mind. I felt like trailers would have manipulated them and given them expectations... which is in itself interesting. If I have the time and money I might see if the results are different if I show new subjects some gameplay trailers... but as I just said, this experiment isn't biased because I didn't show them anything, just different. If you'd like me to try it again with end-game stuff (like 2 bosses), I might do that for my next experiment. 5. Yes she did get bored of the game pretty soon, but the one who got bored of both versions fastest was the experienced gamer. To have experience levels of all sorts was a safe option. I've been criticised by you for showing a bit of bias but this wide base of experience levels is proof of my commitment to neutrality, even if we can predict what those types of people will do. There was a chance we could have been surprised by the results. 6. Knowing that I couldn't get teenagers (since none of my friends are young teens) I got the best I could which is the next bracket up. Sure, the tastes wont' be the same but I don't think tastes will change SO much in four years that the opinions of the people in the video count for nothing. I think, looking at these adults, we can still guess what a younger person would think. It doesn't make it a biased experiment in my opinion.

[@Deathhybr1ds]

Thanks for the hard work man, props! Good videos.

[@andrewevans9743]

has jagex seen this video?

[@th3perfectgakatheperfectg831]

I've heard countless times now that the average attention span for the average person on the internet is approx three minutes. Not only do i congratulate you on your research, I congratulate you on obtaining my attention and respect on this heavily discussed/disputed/murderous topic lol. I just read on your reply somewhere that this particular video has been seen by some or most of the OSRS Mods and is being spread. Spectacular! However, due to reasons given in this game, I lost the interest to getting 99 divination at lvl 90.. therefore, i cannot post this on the HLF... although, i will be sharing this where i can, as often as i can, and it will not be placed in the back of my head... spot on - ThePerfectg

[@tektitetv]

I first played RS from '06-'10 and I definitely hate RS3's GUI. Getting around to things is horribly confusing.

[@JianMadness]

Here's the problem from my point of view. I recently came back after 5 years of playing, and was instantly turned off by EoC and went to Legacy, Legacy to me really brought what I loved from the old RS. However as I got in the rhythm of Legacy I then slowly got into EoC and then realized how awesome it can be, and how amazingly convenient it is. Legacy is awesome for starting off, EoC is awesome for fine tuning and bringing out what the game has to offer.

[@DrLinden]

Moral of the story: Rs 07 needs to have FTP worlds.

[@extremescoot]

February 19th

[@TheFallinhalo]

Hunter Pietramala is that why i Came back to Old school 6-7 years after i left because i found Mabinogi. and i cant even Play on a F2P world? because they try to Force a Sub Fee on you. because if that's the truth that's just greed and dosnt sit well with me.

[@extremescoot]

February 19th is when it's coming to old school. Chill BRO

[@DrLinden]

I am chill

[@DrLinden]

I know

[@xprodinator]

Very nice, well thought out video. I appreciate your views. I felt that your study did its best to show an unbiased, correct commentary on the current state of the game. As a rs player of many years, I fully support this videos goal. The main reason I play rs3 and remain playing it(taking all updates, the good and the game breaking) is because of the reset that would have occurred had I started again in 07scape. Otherwise for the reasons set forth in this video, I would have preferred the pre eoc version of the game. Finally, I believe that the split of player base caused by having two versions of the game is not acceptable. Therefore I call for a unification. Thanks, xprodinator.(brodyio)

[@RS3helper]

-Read This Comment From a Veteran- RS3 is hands down one of the most complicated games to learn when first starting out. However, after mastering both of the interfaces from RS2 and RS3 i can say RS3 is beyond better. While i still like RS 07, i would still choose RS3 for its complexity. RS3 on max graphics is absolutely amazing compared to all other mmorpg browser based games. If your one of the players still into RS 07, i recommend you learn RS3 and then choose which one is better. Anyone in there right mind would choose RS3 once mastered. Iv'e played RS since it was originally called Devient Mud.

[@RS3helper]

Agreed. In this video also note the users were def. not using max graphics.

[@Moses255337]

***** Well they tried, and lost players in the process.

[@Moses255337]

***** i personally think that the way they updated to rs3 was way too drastic.

[@Moses255337]

You sir, make very bad judgements

[@RS3helper]

I've been told i make logically abusive but honest judgments by better men then you;sir.

[@enforcingsix6036]

I appreciate what you've done. Well done man.

[@eddie4047]

I quitted RS3 partly because the armour changed so drasticly in appearence. It got weird, clownish, unatural and overwhelming. I actually think RS07 looks more realistic too, in that sense. Also there are way to many lay-outs in RS3, not only because it takes som time to remember what is what, but because it takes annoyongly unecessary time to navigate through it. The main reason I quitted, though, was that RS3 isn't RuneScape, it's an entirely new game, and I started playing RuneScape because I kind of liked it as it was. Of course, you need updates, but that doesn't mean you should turn it to something else. And as you see, RS is far less popular now than it was in 2007.

[@plok742]

Your point about pures was actually very good. Its the only point i've ever seen in favor of pures that was really convincing. props

[@SteelOfLegend]

I support the way you set up the testing but it sucks that the beginning of RS3 is complete crap and the beginning of 07 is orgasmically amazing. To properly understand RS3, you will have to have some kind of video showing what the features are and such but nobody is patient enough to listen thru that crap.

[@munclesonkey]

Clearly your statement is spoken out of nostalgia and is very opinionated. I think the new RS3 tutorial, at least compared to the old burthorpe one, is pretty good and would be appealing to a brand new player who had never played this game before.

[@WildernessGuardians]

But I have proof that's not the case munclesonkey, and I'm not an 07 fanboy. I'm neutral.

[@SteelOfLegend]

WildernessGuardians As am I. I support both games to be continued and updated. I don't play 07 anymore because of the fact that I am too far into the live game to continue playing it.

[@natashahidayah569]

WildernessGuardians In my honest opinion, I was looking forward to the 07 update but after a few days, I've noticed people were just racing for ranks and after awhile, the novelty died off and most of them went back to skilling in rs3. I, myself did not pursue levelling my 07 account because it took me years to actually get to where I am today (I started playing in 02-03 not sure). I did not enjoy the grind back then and I really do not feel the need to grind the same was all over again. So I continued RS3 for a while till i qui both games due to me not being intelligent enough to use the new interface efficiently as well as the elitist high level community being assholes who think they are entitled to everything and feel the need to bully those who are of lower levels or not in their circle. The community nowadays is absolute trash and I fear there is no way to revive the community to be as it were before. New content in RS3 released for high levelled players are shrugged off as a chore and not enjoyed and just thought of a hindrance for them to wear their shiny completionist's cape. Its jsut a shame as so many hours are spent by jagex developing content for people who don't care and just grumble through it.

[@SteelOfLegend]

***** Yes, but not everyone just "finds" runescape on their own.

[@Zameli]

thanks for making this video bro , i really appreciate it . ive been playing runescape for 7-8 years . and i realised that jagex ( runescape's company) isn't promoting runescape anymore and as i really love the game i don't want it to die out . iv'e spent my life playing it , getting hacked / lured and still restarting . however i wanted others to start playing the game too . people that won't quit the game right at the begining. because " they think it's boring" well everything requires some effort . and runescape isn't very new player welcoming however that is why i am thinking of starting a runescape tutorial to teach the people who want to play runescape more about it wrather than leaving them clueless about the game.most of the fun thigs / bosses / quests have high requirements and / or are only members therefore newcomers don't or wont bother trying the gae infact . because they don't have something that drives them into playing it more .now the fact that there are 2 gamemodes / styles bieng : legacy / evolution of combat . i think that jagex should actually provide a briefer summary towards actually trying both versions and deciding which one suits the player him self.i would also appreciate if runescape gave a brief idea of the differant styles of combat and the combat triangle. ( melee > range > magic > melee) and the fact that one class can be a weakness to another. which actually is pretty cool how the class have been designed to be very equal. i also want the newerplayers to know the differance between normal mode / iron man mode / hardcore iron man mode. i prefer that there is a specific world for levels 50 and below to be allowed into a specific world , where only player moderators / jagex moderators can meet the new players and help them on their adventures. in game name : Detoxe Days / Hours played :about 330 days of gameplay.

[@WehrmachtBunny]

Power to the players Jagex? Where is it?!?!!?!? Give us back the old system!

[@jamiemaster101]

their is no power to the players you think mod mark would get of his fucking high horse for once and let you control the game? FUCK NO we get 3 shitty polls that are decided on by max lvls

[@WehrmachtBunny]

HAHA, soooo true!

[@WehrmachtBunny]

Insane Itachi Ohh, just noticed your stupid answer. If you haven't heard this so called "Legacy" is EOC with just special attacks that take on the form of threshold abilities. They also changed the DPS(damage per second) ratio so they can try and get pking back. Like mod mark has stated, "they are not getting rid of the new system, they are going to work with it" that means, there will still be abilities, it will still be easy as hell to make money, and it will die even more. Why would I spend 8+ more years of my life trying to rebuild my 8+ year old account? I don't have the time, nor patience to do that again, and I'm not giving more of my hard earned money to a company who thinks only for themselfs.

[@Morsurator]

Wehrmacht Bunny You say you want power to the players and bring the old system back. But what about the players that actually enjoy EOC? If Jagex brings back the old system, the players who enjoy EOC will have no power at all, so to speak. Just because you think the old system is better, doesn't mean everybody thinks it is. Granted, most people think the old system is better, but something is only better when everybody agrees. As long as there are still people who prefer EOC, you can't say the old system "is" better just because you think it is.

[@WehrmachtBunny]

I can say the old system is better because it is BETTER. Those people who like EoC are like 10k people who are pvmers and like to make money extremely fast without having to put in much work. The mass majority of the game has left due to eoc, more and more people are leaving the game. Does that not prove the system is terrible? Come on, eat that ignorance and use your head.

[@trevorbmont]

Wow, incredible research... It is simply brilliant. Just another small proof of how our different our perspectives as humans can be.

[@Kryvox]

I find it extremely weird that I quit Runescape ever since EoC came out, I gave it a chance, but the concept was terrible. Fast forward to 3 months ago, I started playing League of Legends. I've been addicted to League of Legends and since LoL is very close to the EoC combat system, Runescape is starting to appeal to me now. Keep in mind, when I did play Runescape, I thought LoL and WoW were terrible games. Just something I wanted to note.

[@RingxWorld]

I play LoL and WoW and thought that EoC was horribly executed and the game wasn't structured to handle such a combat system

[@Loe151]

League is a trash game though

[@LucasRogers92]

My opinion.. if I'm going to play a game like wow.. I'm just gonna pay the extra 8 dollars and get a better game overall. My opinion though not everyones. Runescapes trying to hard to keep up with wow.. they failed.

[@TeamDaniellomholt]

Dude, try Oldschool Runescape :)

[@TheYoungMeeker]

I 100% agree with him! You can't try to bring back veterans forever! I know the game of Runescape would be extremely attractive to many if they truly new what the game was about! What needs to be focussed on is the attraction of new players! Focus of drawing newcomers into the game and draw them in enough to get a sufficient feel for the game and community of Runescape. In doing this you will be sure to pull in many players!

[@Dawggo]

im not gonna lie this video is about 95% accurate I cant hate on rs3 because personally I havent really tried too much of it but I was 90 in alot of stats and that was before the eoc came out, I loved when they talked about rs 07 in better ways because that game is actually more accurate for runescape it just looks better its content seemed more realistic and players in the community are more appealing too look at for rs 3 its just really hard too get use to unless you are a veteran and played the game for 5-14 years and that really says alot because if you want newer players in the game then one of them has to bring them into the game. Which brings me too a conclusion that one of them should actually be free to play which rs07 should be because it is older and more appealing to the newer players now rs3 on the other hand should be the one we should have to pay to play because it takes time to get up too that point where you can actually kill stuff for alot of cash, and do more stuff in-game. Just overall rs 07 just whipped rs3 in the dirt in my opinion. I really do love the video because seeing newer players join the game and their age at 18-21 being able to say that rs3 does look like a disney 5 year old game really did explain alot because i was saying that last week when i was killing monsters for cash to get membership. Its just unappealing to play and hard to get use too...

[@inuyasha989]

07scape bot infested rs3 bot watch keeping the game 100% clean ya i had 10/12 years of my runescape life with bots and for the first time in years i can actually do shit without competition from gold farmers so no thanks and calling rs3 a kids game lol shall i recall all the times ive heard how much of a "childrens" game rs was called in 04-08 even game reviewers called the game shit now there winning awards again and are getting very positive reviews the only haters around here are you over nostalgics who think the game would still be alive if it was kept static in 2002 (which is when i started fyi) and even back when rs2 came out people said bs such as "itll kill the game" "no one well play it" "jagex has killed rs" and here we are 10 years later since rs2 release makes you think dont it

[@blxckmill615]

Ur mad cus 07 is bettet and u know it

[@Dawggo]

nightshadow wolfpaw I never hated on Rs3, I simply said rs 07 is much more enjoyable in my honest opinion, which it is in my eyes so if you have a problem with it, well they are not your eyes, so I dont see why you would. Just saying and no rs07 was not a "Kids" game it was more of a teenager type game now rs3 on the other hand is a disney 13 and below type of game it still is slightly appealing but, hardly... If your a older player the only reason you play it is because you put in so much time into your account and you dont want the game to die with all your items, valuables, and skills. Which Id be the same way if I played the same game over a 12-8 year period of time, but I honestly didn't I off and on played periodically which is honestly how I still can be able to stand the game. It's honestly already dead I think 07 which was a dead game from the start was much more lively then the Rs3 release. Nuff Said keep your thoughts too yourself, unless you want me to pick them all the way down to the l last syllable. With it being said the community on which was thriving, has become trolls on which lie, or make up excuses, you started in 02? Tell me please, the biggest update of runescape2 the beta, which was released on 2004? If you honestly can't answer this question your obviously phony and a liar, I will not lie I started in 06, right around 2007 the biggest updates were free trade and wilderness being removed alot of unhappy customers, see if they took a different route on their game, I bet the game would still be thriving for hardcore gamers, grinders, and people around the world. But it took a dive instead. Thats all ima explain. Still both good games rs07 thought just dominated that little 13 year old game.

[@blxckmill615]

chill i wasnt talking to you i wast just putting it here cuz i was on my phone

[@inuyasha989]

SawrrPvP lol oh ya no ge bot infested very very low player count yep so much better kid stfu

[@MrAim725]

I always thought the new combat system was criticized because of the nostalgia. I found it interesting to see new people also prefer the old system.

[@daddyleon]

14:35 Nice!, keep her ;)

[@chdata]

Logging with email was an internet movement as a whole to improve combating account phishing. If people know your login name, it's much easier to steal an account. It's like you have two passwords, but one is always visible to everyone. If you login with your email and have a display name, not it's like you have two passwords, and no one knows what either of them are. Your login email becomes a password on its own.

[@daniel.holbrook]

What Regular People Think of Runescape's Tutorials

[@mase598]

Honestly I got an idea on how to fix the interface problem with RS3. Just start people off with the legacy mode interface as soon as the account is made and have a notification pop up somewhere during the tutorial or after completing the tutorial. Popping up if you skip the tutorial right away. Just have the notification say something along the lines of, "Runescape starts you off with a basic interface. Would you like to customize the interface to suit you better?" Then have a yes/no option or a remind me in X time Also when the option to customize the interface comes up, to not have EVERYTHING pop up at once. Let's just say there are 15 seperate things to move around that you practically need to play, have things pop up one at a time and bind enter to being continue to the next interface part. Just so then that way a new player won't go, see the legacy interface, want to try the customizable one and have everything ruined for them because now they sit around for 15 minutes figuring out how to go back. At least this way they can put the chat where they want, inventory how they like, minimap where they want, everything.

[@nicderemer1]

Noone plays with music anyway. I just play my own music while i play

[@connorgriffin7046]

+Jesus Hitler Christ same, the music in 07 is awesome

[@simpleambitious]

I really liked this experiment and how much thought you put into it. It's interesting that even new players prefer the combat system in '07, since RS3 has had such a focus on a newer, "more exciting" system. (I guess it takes a while to get used to the new combat, though, and it's not bad- I suppose I'm just biased towards '07.) I also agree that RS3's tutorials are confusing. I've tried a couple of them out and they're long and tedious and don't make me want to continue playing the game. Tutorial Island has always been superior. Anyways, I enjoyed this video and thought you had a good approach to the experiment overall!

[@MsVroege]

07 is only for new comer, ofcourse rs3 is for players that already been playing not suit for new comer, eoc in the beginning is kinda confusing but after a while it's good and easy to play. New stuff is always confusing in the beginning so don't expect too much that it will be easy.

[@chelsearae9336]

07 is god eoc is shit

[@MsVroege]

Maybe because you don't know how to play EOC...lol lol

[@chelsearae9336]

lol soz, my brother hacked into my account ;-; God I hate him sometimes. xD

[@MsVroege]

Sokan1993 :D

[@illusionzman3549]

I play both rs3 and 07 and problem with rs3 the game is beyond easy. Exp rates are so easy and to get any decent money is really only from combat. The prices are so screwed in rs3 and easy for new players to get the level for a whip(in one day or chaotics from 2 days of dunging) and then cost 100k to buy one for example. Also with the exception of a couple high level bosses every monster is weak. Like QBD pre eoc was tough now easiest thing ever. Waterfiends pre eoc required bunyips or to have high stats now they are also weak and useless. Eoc only rewards high level players because thats when it is worth to start playing the game not low level players as they can't do anything worthwhile in the game.

[@pokerman580]

His Lordship is a very generous person. His research is also well rounded in my opinion. Thank you Lordship.

[@YourNext70]

"I might actually carry on [playing 07scape]." You just ruined that dudes life.

[@elliotc6253]

Don't worry, I forgot to renew when my membership expired!

[@thealexe99]

My first experience of runescape was two months ago. I tried runescape out of boredom and got quickly even more bored by the game but then i found it. I wanted to give oldschool runescape a try and it fascinated me. Not every player is a veteran, there will always be newcomers!

[@MibuInMalibu]

Rs is a old company. A well developing one at that, but it is true how they gained more players during 04-08 but ofc the game was just better at that time then many others. However the players do run the game and the EOC was not polled and it was just launched without the players consent. At that time runescape private servers sky rocketed and even i went to them. I stopped rs together for around 3 years. I started playing 07 again for about 5 days. If you notice now they actually take polls FOR EVERY idea they have as an update. They have learned their lesson. Ofc there will be new players who respond to me saying RS3 is better but thats because you came to the game when it was like that and you really just don't understand how much of a change it really is. If you play osrs right now, i suggest just giving up and quit playing all together. Especially if ur trying to grind out a skill or w/e when osrs IS DYING. Eventually it will be gone like he said in the video. But keep playing if u don't mind. But just think about that If you have anything you want to add go ahead but i am going to mute this post, after posting it due to the fact of all the ignorant and simple minded responses :P

[@atcqrapfan]

11 Lions OSRS has actually gained a ton of new players lately.

[@TheAspiringOne]

I'm kind of glad you made this video. However, coming from someone who spent years playing RS07 (Before there was any OTHER version) I'm SO glad I haven't played in years. I checked out all the new stuff probably a year ago but after that I've yet to involve in it. Main account (lvl 113) was banned SEVERAL years back. (Back when the level cap was 126). Secondary account still works but is pointless since I dropped everything the day I quit. And I've since then forgotten all the passwords to my pure PK accounts. Anyways. Interesting video. I've logged thousands of hours on the game, and I'm glad I've moved on! lol