What Rory's board rejection means; PGA gets it right with LIV invites | Golf Channel Podcast

In this week's edition, the guys discuss the repercussions from Rory McIlroy's Tour policy board rejection, as well as what the PGA of America signaled by inviting LIV players into next week's major. #GolfChannelPodcast #GolfChannel #RoryMcIlroy
Chapters:
0:00: After "messy" and "complicated" process, Rory is rejected by the Tour board
05:00: What this latest twist means for the future of the Tour/PIF deal
10:00: Did PGA of America get it right by inviting LIV players into the PGA?
14:00: Rex gets caught in an awkward spot on live TV this week
20:30: What to watch for at Quail Hollow this week
24:30: Lav goes to Pinehurst for U.S. Open media day
34:30: Rex apparently forgot that Mother's Day is on Sunday
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[@brianwalker4760]

Tiger is screwing up the merger. He has always put himself above the tour and other players. Just because he’s older now doesn’t mean he cares any less about his interests first.

[@alanfinn77]

I was fooled by Tiger thinking he had been humbled turns out you are right Tiger only cares about himself full stop

[@wreckim]

But what does DJ think? He did break 80 twice at the Masters.

[@BDON]

Tiger Woods needs to stand down

[@joenolan4917]

Personally I think they should remove owgr points for signature events (no cut and limited fields)

[@jimiverson3085]

There is an argument for that. Fields should be more like 90-100 with a cut to low-50 and ties.

[@Noeau]

Although I’m not a fan of Rory, he is the adult in the room with his resolve to bring golf together. It seems the rest of the pga and board members are still anti Liv so bringing golf together objectively is not possible. You cannot come together and find middle ground if there’s no willingness to compromise and live with changes to status quo. Kudos to the pga championship for inviting Liv players but the majors can make it easier on themselves by inviting the top Liv player by their rankings instead of randomly inviting golfers who they deem are deserving. Take the choice of who’s deserving out of it by making it black and white based on Liv rankings based on performance. Obviously OWGR rankings are irrelevant here.

[@jordan-xe2yb]

He’s the best.

[@SiLoMixMaster]

Rory went from the whining entitled child in the room to almost an adult like figure after Rahm moved to LIV…that was what made him do a 180. Once the PGAT ship starts to really sink then Rory will jump ship to LIV to save his bacon

[@Noeau]

@@SiLoMixMasterRory should cash his pga equity check and then move to Liv to drive the last nail in the pga coffin.

[@bnegs521]

@@Noeau hasn't won a major in a decade. He drove a nail in his own coffin. Go play team 54 hole golf who cares

[@wynandvanhuyssteen4585]

Definitely applauding the Management for the invites to LIV guys. DATAGOLF ROCKS!

[@kennethmckinney2532]

Interesting. I was as big a Tiger fan as is possible and I don't care what he wants the game to look like...

[@justapedn1]

How does Jay Monahan still have a job?

[@bradmiller9121]

To me THAT'S the operative question. I also fault the media, including Golf Channel and these two hacks, who beginning with the June 6th meeting have referred to this as a merger. There is a nearly 40 minute video done with the guy who was actually doing the negotiations with the Saudi guy that led to the June 6 meeting. Throughout that the term "merger" was never used, in fact he made it quite clear that this negotiation would end LIV. Not a single media source that I saw EVER said that.

[@jamescook3032]

@@bradmiller9121 Im not Jays biggest fan but.... hes brought in a new partner, secured purses for 5 years, hasnt lost any events and negotiations are ongoing. And as Rex said, the players and Yasirs vision of golf is worlds apart. Jay should have taken the call with PIF 3/4 years ago and this should have been sorted, im not denying that. But i dont think the PGA tour are currently in as a bad of a place as others think.

[@2Thes22]

PIF/LIV has all the money and their vision will eventually prevail. The sooner the PGA Tour and players realize that, the stronger their position.

[@stefanmuller9653]

The issue with the PGA the last year or two is that every big name player barring Scotty has pretty much shit the bed with their performance. I dont think many people go to events to go see Scotty play as primary reason. Tney go to see Spieth, Rory, JT, Ricky hoping that they will win. Its come to a point where you have to start rooting for Scottie just to not be dissapointed. It took a while for the media to really attach to Scottie but since this year they are really blowing Scottie's horn now as if he's the new Tiger while that may be the case its more to get people to get reinvested in the PGA Tour by following Scottie rather than losing interest in golf because their usual stars are failing every week

[@lrdr5404]

Rory needed to stay on the board if he wanted to be on the board. He could have abstained from voting on SSG, if his connections were an issue, but everyone made quite a point of saying the SSG decision was unanimous so any conflict seems diluted and not much of an issue

[@stefanmuller9653]

Were players offered money to vote for Cantlay? Because I can't imagine a world where even one player would vote for him to be their representative.

[@2Thes22]

Apart from the Majors and Players, there could be 10 elite events - 1 per month with 2 in Feb. This would be 15 events with players required to play a minimum of 5 regular tour events on PGA Tour and/or DP World Tour. The 10 elite events would be.a combination of WGC, Signature Events and LIV with an individual component and an optional Team component. The Elite Events would be jointly owned by PIF, PGA Tour and DP World Tour and they all benefit financially. Elite players required to play in regular Tour events would also support the rank and file players and allow a pathway to these Elite events. The Elite events would follow the LIV format with shotgun start and up to 72 players. There would still be a 3 month off season from early October to early February. Players would play on average 3 events per month from Feb to September with 1 in October.

[@vosman86]

LIV is so much better to me at this point 🤷🏼‍♂️ pga is a snooze fest to me And the Majors are definitely the best of all; glad we still have those

[@kennethmckinney2532]

Yep. People will catch on eventually

[@nbt3663]

Sleeping thru all the commercials.

[@Jackielikeskillersmiles]

@@kennethmckinney2532no they won’t. Especially when contracts are over this year and you lose big names. Team concept still sucks. Product is lame

[@Jackielikeskillersmiles]

@@nbt3663playing thru

[@kennethmckinney2532]

@@Jackielikeskillersmiles opinions are like A holes. Everyone has one. LIV will only get stronger. Go enjoy whatever it is you do...

[@nbt3663]

Who is allowing the extra liv players, PGA or PGAT? It's the PGA's event. I wonder how the Tour feels about it. My guess is the Tour is hoping the anouncers will bad mouth the LIV players like at the Masters. The Tour is a dumpster fire and every move they make is clear they dont want anyone to know what kind of money the non-pro golfers rumning things are making (or something.) Theyre not accountable to anyone.

[@edwardcreighton2638]

PGA tour keeps giving Rory money, PIF, equity etc. Easy to see why rank and file may not always welcome his thoughts. Great pod as usual.

[@wreckim]

The PGA Tour now has some ridiculous purses for these signature events...basically LIV level stuff. Are they worth it? Are the players worth it? I don't thinks so, but it doesn't matter. LIV has changed the game to a more lucrative, and less competitive game thanks to Tiger basically. Tiger has grown the game way beyond it's historical demos. Now players make buckets by finishing 5th etc.. But nowhere is this more true than on LIV...guys collecting good cash even when they shoot in the high 70s or even in the 80s. BTW, there are tons of events now on the PGA Tour for the lower class players...there are like 45 events altogether on the PGA Tour. I remember when it was like 30, and hardly any golf after The PGA until January etc..

[@tonymccosh5875]

That was a good 10 min of Lav talking about himself.

[@tomprevost2477]

So Rex, I'm left guessing what Johnson Wagner said about webs sponsor exempts. you brought it up tell us.

[@Steyrshrek1]

It also might be the fact that Rory has put what he wants out there which puts the PGA into a weaker bargaining position. It’s like walking into a car dealership and saying I love this car and will pay anything for it then trying to negotiate a price.

[@oahujuniorgolfassociationc6656]

It’s also possible everyone is just tired of Rory. Anyone who doesn’t think Gooch belongs in majors doesn’t know golf. Data golf has him 35. But he really belongs higher. It would be pretty hard to get all the LIv players to boycott for Gooch, but they would do it for themselves later. Helps to be a teachers pet. But imo The pga tour needs all available names on hand and Adam Scott is a name, even Webb Simpson is a name at this point. Absolutely better golf course. What they did is restore what Mr Ross created. What a Name dropper. All casual at the end there.

[@pauljcross2289]

They can all thank Phil...

[@jimmywhat1448]

Rory: What?.. LIV players got invites without OWGR?.. Greg Norman: I told you. 😊 Rory: That offer still on the table?. Grey Norman: 💸💸💸 lets talk.

[@tohmsono5081]

PIF didn't want him getting involved any more in order to continue negotiations in good faith

[@wbwright79]

there are more than just PGA players involved in the Rory thing. there is a new multi-billion dollar owners' input as well, regardless of whether this was mentioned or not.

[@alanfinn77]

I was a Tiger fan since forever! That just changed!! I thought he had developed some humility over the last few years turns out that was all an act and the guy cares about one person and that is Tiger Woods

[@BrianBenko-BB]

Why does anyone care what Tiger or Rory say? The fans and sponsors fund golf not the players. Tiger and Rory are old and done (as golfers). Tiger has no juice as a non player in this new environment. Gooch does not deserve an invitation because of his approach.

[@kennethmckinney2532]

I'm a LIV fan and I don't totally disagree about Gooch. Do I think he is talented enough to be there, yes I do. I would prefer he worked harder for it like Niemann, Burmester, Puig etc

[@herbertwilliams9092]

The US Open is no longer the US open; under par scores should be the exception; par or one or two over or one or two under should be the winning score; the USGA must now be spooked to set it up like it used to be; the US Open should have no resemblance to the Bob Hope Desert Classic

[@2Thes22]

PIF/LIV has all the money and their vision will eventually prevail. The sooner the PGA Tour and players realize that, the stronger their position.

[@markanderson8006]

I wish PIF would flex their muscles and just get Scheffler and McIlroy. They’ve got $700bn but they’re too tight with their money. They were able to get Rahm for $450m but unfortunately they’ll have to pay a lot more for the top two ranked golfers. The policy board members Woods and co have no desire to play outside of America apart from the Open. Pga tour has no appearance fees unlike DP World tour. Total Appearance fees in Asia are sometimes way more than total prize funds. Personally I only watch Majors and Ryder Cup I love golf but play it more than I watch it.

[@pauljcross2289]

These pro golfers trying to play businessmen is funny....

[@korbinsworld24]

The PGA policy board is the lone entity dividing golf.

[@MrGolferguy13]

They forgot Louie

[@pauljcross2289]

Louie declined

[@stefanmuller9653]

What was the merit on the Reed invite to the PGA? Kinda weird, he hasnt really moved the needle in individual play since joining LIV?

[@andrew_l1900]

Guessing just as he’s a former major winner, also the field is like 150odd and despite being on LIV is still ranked in the top 100

[@alanfinn77]

Tiger for me is lining his own pockets and looking after his own interests and not those of the game! Shameful and Rory has been thrown under the bus a second time by the PGA Tour the guy put himself in the firing line defending the pga tour when LIV started and we all know what happened there!

[@ThePgiannetti45]

Rex is loyal PGA Tour media fanboy… can’t see the landscape is shifting and most important, golf fans loyalties are shifting. PGA Tour as we once knew it is done. LIV forced the change. The faster the dinosaurs can wake up to that, the better everyone will be.

[@pauljcross2289]

Tiger's plan is to take over total control of PGAT..

[@atfinthehouse8631]

And WHY does golf need to be “brought together “. Please explain. Include the real discussions of the elephants in the room.

[@TheOrganicGuyPodcast]

When they say golf, substitute it for PGAT. only good for the PGAT

[@Jackielikeskillersmiles]

You don’t see the endgame Lav! There is a reason for the hold out for them not coming together at this point & time

[@nbt3663]

I wish you would explain to me what the end game is. Because I've been baffled by every move the Tour has made. It's crazy the decisions they're making.

[@Jackielikeskillersmiles]

@@nbt3663 no it’s not really! The whole “merger” was just a chess move to stop litigation sand bleeding the tour dry of funds. Worked! They never intended to merge! Not with most having the upper hand in negotiations which are plain to see in that “frame work agreement “ …. Now they are dragging their feet with Liv to let it play out as PGA restructure and make decisions with SSG coming on board

[@joso5554]

This whole chat about Rory’s vision and Cantlay’s vision and whichever Saudi prince’s vision is totally foggy and meaningless. Why can’t you just be explicit and explain what these visions are and what the main debates are actually about ? The only 2 elements that I noted are : - whether a future global elite tour should be significantly less US centered and travel more around the world (like the DPWT does!), despite the US players discomfort ; - what the proper balance should be between huge prizes and benefits for the star players, and the condition that the average rank and file players have to live with. I personally would introduce another topic which is prize equality between men and women tours, and especially grand slam championships prizes. The current huge gap is extremely embarrassing and shameful. What are the other topics being debated, and what are the standings of the different stakeholders about these???

[@joso5554]

To me, the championship format and its appeal can be discussed but only within a strictly limited scope. The LIV format is not serious. 4-round stroke play must remain the norm. Additions may be considered around this basis, to bring additional excitement, such as monetary prizes for specific achievements during the round(s), that can be different each week or day. Different scoring formulas could be used for early qualifier rounds. Playoffs could use other formats than the usual one-hole sudden death, e. g. a 3 or 4-hole stroke play. Match play is obviously a delicate format for broadcasting, but it should still be present in few tour events. The WGC match play was a unique event that should be reinstated once a year - maybe in changing locations ?? A few tournaments could include 2 rounds of match play for the first 2 days, instead of the cut, and then 2 rounds of stroke play for the weekend. This would allow for wider fields (240 players for a 60 players « cut » after 2 rounds of match play).

[@bnegs521]

Rory on the DOWNSIDE of his career. Hasnt won a major in forever... who cares what he thinks.

[@pauljcross2289]

Tiger wants to get total control...it will always be all about him

[@skipcampbell239]

how sad pga has to bribe their players to stay..

[@Jackielikeskillersmiles]

Liv bribes to leave! Liv is worse . Bc they are playing for nothing and a lame concept! Plenty of players turned down Liv attempts so obviously a bribe wasn’t needed by pGA. To stay😅

[@skipcampbell239]

@@Jackielikeskillersmiles LIV is called a signing bonus like nfl.mlb.nba nhl..be well

[@josephboza7448]

Eamon Lynch is such a shit starter. Lav knows how lucky he was by being at media day yesterday. If LIV is a topic, look out, Eamon will go off like Brandel will. I think Webb secretly is happy that Rory gave up on coming back to the board. Jay Monahan look like a hypocrite by telling the sig events you have to pick the board members. You dont call it a concidence that Webb and Adam Scott got 4 sponsor invittes into the sig events. The big boys dont want the LIV players back. Would Scottie Scheiffler be #1 if the LIV players came back. Scottie was a typical player before LIV was formed. After he has done his winning.

[@lauriemorgan9083]

Well said .agree 100%

[@wreckim]

Scottie would lose to all LIV players...he's such a lousy player. I don't understand how he won The Masters. I think The Masters had a conspiracy to give him the tournament: On LIV he'd be lucky to beat AK. AK is the best semi-retired, injured, and insurance-collector player the game has ever seen.

[@adrianalley700]

As good as Tiger the player was, time and time again he proves himself to be an absolute POS as a person that i wouldn't want him to be anywhere near the shaping of the PGAT going forward.

[@atfinthehouse8631]

Get real, this isn’t about what is good for golf. This is about protecting the dollars for those top players who think they can win and are threatened by others who play golf. This is big business and marketing by manufacturers of clothes, footware, equipment, golf clubs, golf courses.

[@robertdemaranville2848]

It means that Tiger is running the show and wants no interference….. Tiger will protect his legacy at all costs while making sure he gets ownership in all future businesses that the PGA sets up. He is not open minded about change and will dig in his heals against any type or merger or alliance. Tiger wants to be the new Arnold Palmer.

[@vosman86]

And people think Phil is the bad guy lol

[@Jackielikeskillersmiles]

@@vosman86he is 😂

[@BrianBenko-BB]

Tiger does not seem to do anything well outside of play golf. He is never going to be Arnold Palmer. His reputation has value to golf. Fowler is a better human to represent golf.

[@Jackielikeskillersmiles]

@@BrianBenko-BB he does plenty of things well! Great dad and business man

[@pauljcross2289]

Tiger is the biggest narcissist in golf history....he wants total control of PGAT

[@herbertwilliams9092]

I don’t care about Lav’s round of golf no more than he cares about mine; just ended podcast

[@tomyandrade]

Not sure why this podcast is so pro liv … it’s just too much there should be a mention like sponsored by LIV

[@calvinhobbes6118]

Grow up and stop being a fanboy. Plenty of golf to watch

[@alanfinn77]

Cantlay and Spieth have such inflated egos

[@michaelhawkins6149]

I have zero interest in LIV or merging with them. It's not the golf I want to see...and they can go pound sand with their prince. On the other hand Jay Monaghan is a clown and should be removed.

[@aussiegolfer59]

Finally a body starting realise the owgp are out dated

[@willstargate4381]

Rory stepped down from being on the board or what I like to call it, "QUIT". Rory had his chance, he chose not to stick around, now he sees things moving in a certain direction and now he wants back. Maybe the other board members got mad that he "Quit" and just don't trust him. Nothing wrong with that.

[@garyszewczyk6577]

Another sport ruined by money there isn't any stars but a group of avg golfers except one

[@scottmillikan6939]

A bit of a different topic, but is the DOJ and/or Congress even going to let the Saudi’s invest in the PGA Tour. Particularly with the geopolitical situation in the Middle East. That’s not getting much discussion and it could make a lot of this moot.

[@usacool88]

I think they would trade it for the Saudis pumping more oil to not drive inflation up even more.

[@Dinkslayer681]

Half of Congress loves terrorists. They don't care

[@markkovacs494]

The PGA is dying. The PIF and LIV should just finish it once and for all.

[@Jackielikeskillersmiles]

Pif isn’t willing to waste all their money on this golf. That’s why the live events suck in the states! They spent all the money on players and lame cw

[@tomdallas3690]

Rory McIlroy only looks out for himself. He is dishonest at his core. He even sued his managers to get out of paying tens of millions in fees. He also called off his wedding to Carolyn Wozniaki after the wedding invitations went out. He did so with a three-minute phone call and he never spoke with her again (she thought he was joking). He went on to win two majors in the months just after that, but karma caught up with him. His a choking loser. I suspect he is getting a divorce soon.

[@DavidBedell654]

The only people who have ripped golf apart are Norman and Michelson.

[@allanbancroft4994]

I’ve been to a LIV golf event it’s pants, the PGA, DP world tours have nothing to fear. Possibly 70% of the LIV golfers wouldn’t make the cut of a regular tour event

[@calross7143]

Sometimes some people should learn to keep their mouths shut because others will think they're stupid...like you for instance

[@Jackielikeskillersmiles]

@@calross7143or we will just think you’re the dolt actually 😂😂😂😂

[@Jackielikeskillersmiles]

Agree

[@vosman86]

Then why was Rahm able to win on the PGA tour but is so far unable to win on LIV.

[@calross7143]

The Majors are supposed to be independent and their invites should reflect them being objective when inviting golfers. Unfortunately, the Masters and PGA Championship have shown their pro-PGA bias in their invites...very obvious to see with plenty of PGA-nobodies invited and many better LIV golfers not invited. Anybody with half a brain knows the OWGR is irrelevant and in essence just a PGA ranking system. Even the Data Golf Ranking system is far from reliable...JT being as useless as he's been for the last few years is ranked low 30's, above Louis Oosthuizen and Dean Burmester...? The Majors can stop making this an issue which is driving LIV fans further away from pro-PGA Majors...just invite the top 20 LIV golfers to all the Majors. And on Phil's point which made you laugh: If there are eventually just 2 or 3 LIV golfer allowed to play in Majors, what would the Majors be but just 4 more PGA elevated events...?