What's all the Hype with the Tamiya Bruiser Clone? HG-P407 Toyota Hilux

[@antonylister6867]

God, your voice is so depressing, and to make an exciting hobby, not exciting, I think you should take a look at your depressing self hahag

[@TomleyRC]

Well rather than me looking at my 'depressing self,' maybe you should spend some time looking at why you feel you should judge people on how they sound.... do you judge people on how they look as well? Thanks for Watching (Listening) 😍

[@smashrc8481]

I do hate to say it but if you don't like a vid why watch it and be negative and there is not much you can do about your voice, personally I accept criticism but as long as it is constructive not just hate

[@antonylister6867]

@@smashrc8481 no way, I've commented positive ish, loads of times and never, a response. And now three in one go. If I'm honest I wouldn't read too much into it, as some ov your vids I find quite intuitive and helpfull, was a passing comment bout your accent. I weren't trying to cause rc wars Bruv..

[@ValleyRC]

Are you enjoying the attention you so desperately wanted?

[@TomleyRC]

Antony, do you mean you have commented loads on my channel? Apart from this comment, you have commented once.... and you got a response... 😉👍 prnt.sc/t7mfkt

[@mikeymike3240]

HG made the re release kits for tamiya. After a while, they released it for themselves , hooray for them for doing it, otherwise I’d never have been able to afford one. I really love 💕 my hG407 tamiya bruiser. You need wheel speed to stay on top of the sand and not bog down. 😎👍👍👍🇬🇧

[@TomleyRC]

I think if I had the front diff locked it would have been a bit better

[@rcalltypes8230]

Really? Where did you hear that from?

[@jonathancolling2284]

I read the unwelcome comment about your voice... I used to record voices for games and commercials as part of my Job. Your voice sounds fine. Its factual and has a good tone. You aren't trying to be a crazy voice-over guy ! you are being yourself. Carry on the good work.

[@jonlaird5082]

These trucks are really worth the money. I had several in the past and they work great,especially when you do the front steering servo mod and adjust the shifting servo 👍. A little tip,if you can find the actual bruiser complete differential gear set (you need the differential outer and internal gears) you can use the rc4wd 12mm conversion. The bruiser diff gears go right in with zero modifications. I done it to all my P407's when I had them,lol

[@TomleyRC]

Awesome, cheers for the tip Jon

[@jonlaird5082]

@@TomleyRC not a problem always glad to help out when I can on rc stuff. But with the diff mod,you only need it for the rear axle as the rc4wd conversion doesn't need new diffs for the front. HG uses a flat ended axle shaft so unless you want to go the extra mile and expense and install actual tamiya diffs in the front,you will need the tamiya axle shaft as well,lol.

[@codyramos3200]

Holy shit ! I'm beside myself rn..... in the late 90s early 2000s I was all about the bruiser ! The chassis , axles, suspension .... I was in love... I haven't thought about rc anything in 15years easy... my inner 10-13yo self is about to go insane .

[@bradkalman2353]

I am a Tamiya fanboy and I wish they re-release every kit they ever made even the old ones they made in the old way 40+ years ago.

[@TomleyRC]

Yes, that would be nice

[@69Dartman]

Well the suspension is now probably a bit closer to what the real trucks were like. My buddy had a 85 with I think the Last of the straight axles up front and when it was working hard in the snow when it was new the front end bounced just like that in deep fresh wet snow on the mountain here. So it's actually pretty similar except his didn't have huge tires, just the stockers. My other buddy had a 82 just like that he had really big tires on it. I never was in it when he did anything heavy duty with it but considering it drove well on the freeway. Pretty sure he had one of the bruisers as that was the time they were around. I had one of the toy Radio Shack versions with proportional steering and high and low range. No suspension but it had a lot of torque in low range and was really surprising what it could run over and through. Used D cells and we all used the high capacity ones Radio Shack used to sell. I bet they have all kinds of better shocks and suspension upgrades for that thing by now.

[@robsrcinsanity1220]

That is a really nice truck for the money. Truly surprised. Nice little clip at the end 👍

[@TomleyRC]

Yes, a lot for your money. Although if you want a crawler, this is not it lol

[@fredrikg934]

@@TomleyRC Is every part cloned and can be changed with Tamiya original parts for this cloned kit?

[@f.chrisliuzzo7889]

All the hype is the scale chassis and ladder frame!?? Not to mention scale shocks all metal and the grand finale is the 3 speed with switchable 4wd!! When I was a kid I drooled over the mountaineer. Now I got a newer bruiser. But I just ordered the clone and it was 180 shipped. The good parts of the clone is steel gears in the transmission.

[@nhansme]

Great video as usual 👍👍 Got both original Bruiser and this one. I love this one as much. Great value for money

[@TomleyRC]

Thanks mate

[@michaeldack4930]

Painted as a bruiser on the self, looks good!

[@TomleyRC]

I bet it looks the part!

[@knightstemplar6243]

I remember the Original model back in the 1980s I couldn’t afford one then they were awesome back then as the clone is the exact copy of the original

[@WCPRCModelsCraft]

Works well. Nice truck,cool test I think that is a real good truck regardless of cost or clone

[@TomleyRC]

Yes, looks good... and the low shot of it going along the sand is my favourite bit :)

[@jjp735i9]

I've liked these since they came out. Probably own one sooner or later. Nice sand run, not sure I'd want to clean it up after that. :)

[@TomleyRC]

I use a big paint brush, gets most of the sand off. Dry sand is easier than wet :)

[@DaveyGa]

Cool fun vid :) Am I the only one who thinks a Bruiser (clone or otherwise) looks far better standing still than actually running??? Rigid bouncy ride makes it look very toy like (rather than expensive toy like ;) ). I'm lucky to have an OG 58048, BUT this in no way makes me think ill of the clone - it's been done damn well.

[@TomleyRC]

Yes, looks really nice.... drives a bit meh....

[@DaveyGa]

@@TomleyRC Forgot to ask, did you remove the internal coil springs from the shocks?

[@muskokamike127]

That is ALL due to the suspension stiffness which can be changed to works as a suspension should. Many pickups right like hell empty but load them up with 50 sheets of plywood and they ride like a cadillac. My 1/2 ton 4 x 4 is no different. Rides much better with a load on. I bet if you put a 1/2 lbs steel plate in the back it'd take ALL the bounce out of the suspension.

[@ericwood2790]

I think you could buy this an actually use it and not have to worry about beating it up . You should try doing some upgrades and do a video on it . Great video Phil .

[@TomleyRC]

Yes, that's the plan Eric. A few upgrades, better tyres for sure.

[@danne77sthlm]

Nice clips in the end, would be fun to see how it behaves with a set of good shocks on that beach to compare, and it needs a driver as well :)

[@TomleyRC]

I'm planning messing a little with the suspension to see if I can improve it

[@ShenRC]

looks nice! I got a original one as a kid in a trade but I hated that darn bruiser it was not good at all!

[@TomleyRC]

I think the price of the Bruiser has never really reflected it's capabilities

[@ValleyRC]

@@TomleyRC I agree. It's a beautiful example of mini engineering, especially for the time but it's not the most dynamic of vehicles and now they are just milking the nostalgia cow. £700 is ridiculous IMO. All the design and development costs were paid off over 30 years ago. Some things on this truck definitely need fixing and are a result of it being Chinese and cheap but a lot of the shoddy aspects are inherited directly from the Tamiya such as the loose steering.

[@MarkBryanRC]

Hey Phil, mixed feelings really - it sure is a great truck for the money, but as a Tamiya fan it's kind of a shame that the Bruiser is so much more expensive and yet not really much better! TBH, the clone is that close, if you put a set of genuine Bruiser stickers on it, most would be convinced it WAS a Bruiser! :)

[@TomleyRC]

Yes agree, if the bruiser was around £300, i think they'd be on to a winner. But £699 is a bit disappointing. Enjoy the weekend mate, tomorrows looking a bit better than today!

[@MarkBryanRC]

@@TomleyRC Cheers, mate, yeah, agree about the price point. Fingers crossed for the weather tomorrow! :)

[@mikeymike3240]

Mark Bryan RC That’s exactly what I done to mine, painted it the tamiya blue and bought the decal set, uber hard to tell them apart. 😎👍

[@DaveyGa]

" it's kind of a shame that the Bruiser is so much more expensive and yet not really much better" Hey Mark, most reports I've seen so far say that the clone actually runs better than the original re're (apart from dodgy bearings). I think Tamiya have completely misread the market on this, for Tamiya money there's so many better scaler options around.

[@MarkBryanRC]

@@hashimrahman51 Totally agree with your comment, Hashim!

[@chudd6125]

My brother and I both have one. We're tamiya purists and I hate to buy a clone, but I'll be damned if I'm going to spend at least twice as much on ebay - when this shares all the same components.

[@Boussini1984]

The body has different mould lines as the tamiya rn36 body, the body quality is realy good on these, screws are a bit low quality but the rest is quite okay to good, at this price point it's just as good /bad as the real thing tho the chassis is more mountaneer then bruiser when compared to the original re release

[@TomleyRC]

Yes, i was looking at the mountaineer and thought the same. Although that doesn't quite have the same following as the Bruiser.

[@ValleyRC]

Thanks for plugging the group! My personal thoughts are like you own pretty much. I needs a few things doing mechanically but but it can all be done cheaply. You can easily buy one and make it as good an original for 1/3 the price. I never, ever would have purchased a Bruiser, away too much money for my to justify and if I was to spend that much, I would be buying something more versatile like an X-Maxx! But for £150 it's definitely worth a punt, I think it's best to just see it as a semi kit that needs finishing off! I mostly use mine for walking the trails and footpaths around me. I took 2 of the 3 springs out of each corner and while it's no flex monster, it's a lot better and can hobble over some quite rough terrain with the diffs locked. Not a pro crawler but it can certainly make it's way along most trails and forest paths etc. There's a fella on KZbin called Dennis Dempsey who works on cars for a living, proper old school improviser and he's done some amazing things with these trucks. One of my favourites is the modification to make it full time 4WD in all 3 gears! He put one of those Toyan 4 stroke engines in one too, check him out if you get 5 minutes!

[@TomleyRC]

Group is really helpful for people, so deserves some credit. I agree about the cost of the original Bruiser....it's a lot for an old truck! I've seen a few of Dennis' videos, I'm not Subscribed, but will go across and fix that right now! Cheers mate 👍

[@scot0811]

Brilliant video! Love the running bit!👍👍

[@TomleyRC]

Cheers Ray

[@RcDungeon]

Great video! I guess I'm adding this to my list of gotta have

[@RCModSquad]

I’d have to agree. It’s a nice truck for the bucks. 💯👍🏻👍🏻

[@TomleyRC]

Yes, worth it in my opinion

[@Ejones-xs9qg]

The only reason I didn't buy it was because it was RTR. My complete joy about RC was doing nothing on a Saturday and putting my rc together.

[@sustorres765]

Nice episode man! new sub, I’m in and ordered one of these, looks so good and for the price, thanks dude. Saludos

[@TomleyRC]

Thanks dude. .... Appreciate the support

[@The-Warm-voice1359]

beautiful video buddy and awesome truck but i have original bruiser tamiya 2012 kit vergin i just put diff lock on the rear axial is good well excellent video pal thx

[@TomleyRC]

Thanks mate. Yeah, nice looking trucks.

[@The-Warm-voice1359]

@@TomleyRC sure that what's up we want to see more thx pal

[@ronkemp9528]

Just bought one. Thanks for this video great stuff.

[@panzadeviborarc9613]

Great vid bro, epic!! Thanks for share!!! Great review!! Have a great weekend!!!

[@TomleyRC]

Thanks mate. You too...

[@bradkalman2353]

The other clone one has 4-wheel steering and Tamiya and never had that on those.

[@Mini-z1994]

Hm, wonder how 12mm hex converters + fulltime 4wd in all gears & perhaps some wider tires & wheels would help this.

[@TomleyRC]

Yes, i think it would make a big difference!

[@2by_Yoter]

Not bad in the sand, I wonder how the HG P602 would handle

[@TomleyRC]

It's pretty heavy, so I'd say it would sink....

[@capmidnite]

There seems to be a lot of conjecture regarding whether HG actually manufactured the Bruiser under contract for Tamiya and then churned out their own clone using the tooling. Another R/C KZbinr did a deep dive and found the Tamiya body vs the HG body had different mold release pin markings, etc. And the Tamiy Bruiser box says Made in Japan, for whatever that's worth. So what's the real story behind the HG?

[@TomleyRC]

I would like to know the real story.... maybe we'll find out one day

[@muskokamike127]

Note: they wouldn't have to get hold of the molds to duplicate the bruiser. They can reverse engineer complete full size vehicles so they can easily do this. With 3d scanners now you just scan the part, import into Fusion 3d, and extract the gcode and put a blank into a mill. They'd rough cut out the mold, then pay some guy $20 to polish and finish it. As I said in another thread, I could replicate the mold for a lexan body for just about any vehicle with a cnc machine I built. Now these ones, they are injection molded and the mold would be massive but labour is cheap in China so it isn't a big deal over there. To give you an idea in the difference in cost between USA and China: I needed some special gears for my CNC. I contacted a place in the USA: $2500 each. F that! I contacted a supplier in China; oh so sorry, we don't have the tool to cut that pressure angle, we have to buy. Me: ok, price it out for me anyways. Them a few days later: Oh so sorry, we have to charge $29 for all 4 plus $15 shipping. Me: Thank you, here's my order. Now they were a little rough when they came in and needed some work with a file to deburr them but $29/4 China vs $10,000/4 usa.

[@austinkoeppen6122]

My idea for making lexan bodies was a 3d printer, some sand paper, and a vacuum former.

[@muskokamike127]

@@austinkoeppen6122 An easier way would be simply buy one of the bodies you want to reproduce, make a plaster mold of it, then make a fiberglass mold from that, and voila, you have a vac forming mold. If you were only doing a limited run, the plaster one would work fine.

[@blackwolfrc]

It looks really good

[@TomleyRC]

It does yes 👍

[@softrc6749]

Enjoy your full room... of rc cars ✌️

[@TomleyRC]

I also have a 20ft Shipping container pretty full as well!

[@softrc6749]

Tomley RC 🥰

[@islandrc-duke1972]

I like it,great video and review

[@TomleyRC]

Cheers dude...

[@semperatis]

It looks like you had a lot of fun there Phil, it's not my cup of tea though.

[@TomleyRC]

Yeah, I think it appeals to people more because of the Nostalgic looks rather than the performance

[@tonybrown5135]

When are we going to see update on your Double E 110.ordered new drive shaft from your links cant get them to fit would love to see update video and how instale drive shaft and do you know where I can get spare parts from cant seem to get them anywhere such pity for good looking rig hope you can help me cheers keep up good work love videos

[@TomleyRC]

I've not had a chance to fix it yet (broke the diffs). The Driveshafts should be a pretty easy fit?

[@bradkalman2353]

It's too bad there was a sale for at Tamiya for the Bruiser and it was 400 bucks.

[@ollychap1985]

Great video.in the link it says shipping from China or the US no Europe option? I may have gotten one if it was shipped from Europe.

[@krgoodjohn]

Would have loved to see a flat out speed run on the wet sand down by the waters edge......

[@TomleyRC]

Tide was out.... that's a good 1/4 mile walk haha

[@carlbModels]

brilliant well balanced review as ever! Still on the fence over this model though. I want one, it's got the look, and the nostalgia. But it's so 80's performance as well and I can't justify it even though the want factor is high. The HG Hummer is a model I have, but rarely use compared to my FTX stuff. Nope, great review or not, I won't be buying this one! Thanks for the review 🍺👍.

[@muskokamike127]

Yeah it seems banggood has a hate on for Canada. USA banggood? $100 less. Baggood Eur? $100 less. Ship to Canada $338 + $271 shipping.

[@smashrc8481]

The moulds must be paid off but why do they still have to charge £700 this is why people buy 'cloned' rc's

[@TomleyRC]

Yes, half the price and they will sell loads!

[@JesseBlum]

So these things look really solid and I like that but is there a way that you can make these go faster than what I see here

[@speedsparks257]

That is stylish man

[@TomleyRC]

Yes, looks good

[@tzuten]

Yeah but the Bruiser is iconic from the 80s... I think I'll pay the difference just to have the real deal.

[@bradkalman2353]

Does that one in the original Bruiser have a ball bearing upgrade for steering?

[@TomleyRC]

Not sure

[@santiscaiano7796]

Hi tomley, how do you clean your rc cars after going to the sand?

[@TomleyRC]

Brush them off with a large soft paint brush. And sometimes run some clean water over them and then oil any visible bearings/‘metal parts

[@santiscaiano7796]

@@TomleyRC thank you very much

[@robmanni4340]

what about the sand getting into gears/diff or axles etc. is it sealed properly?

[@TomleyRC]

Just need to make sure it’s cleaned well after you use it

[@brianstover4732]

do you no where i can get some help with this ,,i upgraded to the brushless engine and esc and receiver and esc come on but no steering or throttle and i CANNOT figure out how to bind this and there is no support for this rc,,any help out there??

[@nastynick886]

Does the P really cost about £ 400

[@martinneps9387]

Would you happen to have a king Blackfoot RC truck That you might want to sell please comment back

[@TomleyRC]

Sorry Martin, I don't have a King BF

[@bradkalman2353]

You know if you would have locked the front diff you wouldn't have had as much problems there.

[@bradkalman2353]

Do you think in top gear it would do 20mph?

[@TomleyRC]

No, not that fast

[@bradkalman2353]

@@TomleyRC In third I heard can get it to 20mph.

[@gatti493]

would you get this or the carisma range rover ??

[@TomleyRC]

I’d get the Carisma 👍🏻

[@thierrymaillard820]

Great 👍👍👍👍👍

[@bradkalman2353]

I don't have one.

[@zackthebongripper7274]

Do not buy the RTR version. Buy the kit version. The controller it comes with is of very poor quality; inside the solder connections are terrible. The battery it comes with is made out of two cheap li-ion 18650 cells. The cells in my pack were dotted with rust marks!!! The kit version is cheaper, and you for know sure that it's built right when you construct it yourself. So far my truck runs great, but since I didn't build it I'm not quite 100% sure. . .

[@TomleyRC]

This was cheaper than the Kit Version

[@rckhandu2840]

Bash with brushless

[@TomleyRC]

Sounds good....

[@ruftime]

No surprise...you get what you pay for. I’ve been a Tamiya fan/owner for 30+ years. People who have never purchased a new Tamiya.......have no clue what they are missing(we won’t even talk about replacement parts/upgrades).....Tamiya are just Tangibly better😎...........

[@TomleyRC]

Yes & No.... You say you get what you pay for, but do you really think the Real Bruiser is worth 4 times the price? Electronics on this are crap yes, I expect the metal/materials are a little less quality, but I don't think Tamiya have priced the Bruiser fairly. Anyway, appreciate the comment, I like to hear other peoples opinions

[@JesseBlum]

Can you upgrade these alot? There is a couple who have one for sale for 200 bucks they said they could never just put it together I was thinking of offering them like 150 see if they take it. I have a bunch of 3650 Motors and a ton of extra batteries that kind of stuff. And this is like the only kind of truck I don't have I think it'd be fun

[@Pedro-fr8fg]

China China China...the worst choice...

[@jalee6587]

So your iphone , iPad iMac , your tv and Milwaukee tools are all worst choice. All made in china

[@jalee6587]

Ridgid tools. All snap on power tools. All Milwaukee power tools all made in china

[@chadselbe59]

Its got to get hard holding your mouth like it has a hot potato in it and mispronouncing letters and words because yall think it makes you guys sound sophisticated hahaha

[@TomleyRC]

Wow, you managed all those words without any punctuation. Well done. 👍

[@chadselbe59]

@@TomleyRC from hache to zed you still wrong 🤣

[@TomleyRC]

@@chadselbe59 *you’re

[@chadselbe59]

@@TomleyRC Damn grammar police. When's the next WPL video coming out? I like to build custom rc trucks with WPL parts and 3d printing throughout the year then give them to the church at Christmas to give out to kids.

[@bobscott117]

You dont even say Tamiya correctly so ya you don't really know crap

[@rcnafc4eva596]

What a crap RC!!!! Didnt really perform on that sand bro..Looks good but that's about it,

[@TomleyRC]

Yeah, just like the real Tamiya one haha

[@ChristopheDewe]

No Tamiya. So this is nothing. I paid my Tamiya Bruiser 700 euros and I am proud of that. The real one only. Clone is clone.