Which is better? HG-P407 or HG-P417? Tamiya clones

[@LegendaryRc]

U suck now you have to pin my comment too lol nice vid by the way

[@TomleyRC]

Hahahaha nicely done 😅

[@LegendaryRc]

@@TomleyRC thanks dude lol

[@smashrc8481]

Lol

[@scot0811]

Lol 🤣🤣

[@addiemonsterrc3990]

I'm a Tamiya kid, I really am. But I'm sorry. When the Mountain Rider re-release came out at $700, I think they shot themselves in the foot. That's waaaaay too much of a nostalgia tax. I've always wanted one, but I'm not paying $800 for an objectively worse TrailFinder 2. I'd never be able to enjoy it! It'd be far too precious at that price point for me to want to drive it as intended, and I know it would just be terrible on anything dicier than a bumpy dirt trail. Do I think selling a direct copy is morally wrong? Yes. But so is smashing a bug over carefully moving it outside. I think you're allowed a little moral grey area as a consumer. Should you MAKE a copy and sell it? No. Should you BUY a copy? Sure. Go for it. There is NO reason the Bruiser should cost almost $900 in 2020. HG proved as much with the P407. If I can buy a CLOD BUSTER for $250, why not a Bruiser in the $300 range?? They did this to themselves. I couldn't afford one as a kid, and I still can't afford one now. The market cried out, and a third party listened.

[@TomleyRC]

Spot on dude... couldn't agree more 👍

[@kummakummakummakummakummac8606]

As a kid I always wanted a Bruiser. I just seen the re released Bruiser and the cheapest with shipping is over 700.00. I still want it but I might just buy a Clodbuster. Cheaper and I will probably have more fun with it. I was going to buy a re released Bruiser because it was 580.00 but at checkout the shipping was 150.00 -190.00 and that's why I didn't get it.

[@muskokamike127]

The bruiser is over $1100 CDN now in Canada. Ridiculous for a vehicle that's been out for so many years. That's plus shipping too. Now with that being said, the 407 is now over $500 CDN.

[@michaeldack4930]

I have both of these, I think the 417 body on the 407 looks sweet. Happy with both of them!

[@TomleyRC]

Yes agree... 417 body on the 407

[@powlo1382]

I haven't got a problem with them being clones maybe Tamiya should look at their pricing and be more realistic with their pricing policy.

[@TomleyRC]

Yeah, $899 for a truck that can be built and sold for $200 using pretty much the same parts! I heard these cost around $75 to produce.

[@Nightdare]

@@TomleyRC R&D cost has also been reimbursed a 100 times over on the -what, 23 year old design?

[@jackd1582]

@@Nightdare ^^^ this

[@jalee6587]

​@@Nightdare23 year old design? Did you fail math class? Try almost 40 year old design. The original Tamiya bruiser was released in 1985

[@Nightdare]

@@jalee6587 Stop making me feel OLD dammit! 😅

[@friktionrc]

I love watching reviews like these...feel so vindicated in not chasing behind the more recognised brands all the time for something that won't give me anymore 'fun' for my money. I got myself a HG-P601 second hand for under a hundred. Needs a bit of a clean up, and the steering angle needs improving (left is quite poor) but now I'm getting into the hobby I know it can 'crawl' with the best of them, no sweat. Brilliant video and great comparison and break down of two great machines. Thanks again 👍😎🙏

[@TomleyRC]

Thanks mate, appreciate it. Sometimes times its just as enjoyable getting a tired RC back up and running as it is actually running it

[@panzadeviborarc9613]

I didn't know it at all! Now I love both of them!! Great vid bro!! Thanks a lot for share!!! Have a great weekend!! Yeaaah!

[@TomleyRC]

Thanks mate

[@kevingilroy]

I like the Bruiser better. But I want the smaller tires. And switch it close to stock Hi lux lift.

[@jacksrccars347]

The black one is actually an amazing piece of kit . And you were bang on about it's gearbox sounding so smooth . Might have to have a look at getting one I think . Great video mate 👍

[@TomleyRC]

Very good price as well

[@jacksrccars347]

@@TomleyRC 👍👍👍

[@idworkhard]

Tomley, that's the kind of content that really sets your channel apart. Love the comparison. I got an RC4WD trailfinder 2 lwb few days ago because I do believe in supporting the manufacturers and RC hobby stores but also because RC4WD did a better job at creating a scale trail truck whereas I don't know what either of these trucks by Tamiya is... Is it a trail truck, crawler? I also really don't like how the servo in the Bruiser is way at the back and in the Highlift the pumpkins hang too low. What do you think?

[@TomleyRC]

Love the TR 2... and to be honest, Tamiya didn't really do a good job of these either, but in their defence at the time they were pretty cool. So many better crawlers out there for the same money as the Tamiyas. You can do a mod and put the servo up front, certainly something I'll be doing. Thanks for the kind words.

[@thedumpydustman6088]

Think I like the Bruiser clone the most! Especially if its had the permanent 4wd mod done!

[@TomleyRC]

Agree mate... looks really nice

[@AsurasWrath164]

Definitely going to pick up a 407. Awesome vehicle!

[@TomleyRC]

Yes, very nice and just like the real thing

[@jeanzerfullen8886]

Good job in doing the comparison. Great job in doing the improvement ! Keep posting more vids.

[@TomleyRC]

Thanks mate

[@filiped7298]

The 407 looks great. Love the big tires.

[@TomleyRC]

Yes agree ;)

[@MartinHyde74]

Great video, love my Hg P407 and enjoy doing all the mods.

[@TomleyRC]

Thanks Martin

[@stephenhogston7394]

Hi Phil great video , both trucks are great value compared to the tamiya model's , it would be nice to have the metal gears and wheels from the 407 on the 417 or a rear steer option on the 407 , im pretty sure that Banggood sells the metal transmission separately so that's one way of sorting out the highlift and you're right those small wheels do nothing for the look's of the truck ( looks like someone nicked the real ones and they were all they could find to get home lol )

[@TomleyRC]

Yes agree. I've put some 1.9 Alloy wheels on now, looks much better with bigger tyres

[@jonlaird5082]

Nice comparison,good to see the difference in testing. I had a few of the P407 models (both kit and rtr) and they work really great for the price. I'm not a big fan of the highlift or clone as the low transmission and semi truck chassis ruined it. But I hope HG decides to sell the P417 body separately as I wouldn't mind having it on my P407,lol. Great video as usual and of course I made it to the end of the video,I always do 😎👍.

[@TomleyRC]

Thanks Jon. I’ve got a quick video of the 407 coming soon, and then will be modding it a little. Really nice looking truck, and I agree about the 417 not being all that good

[@thecrawlerguy]

They looks great both i have had both tamiyas before and this looks nice for the prices on the rc models 😊

[@krgoodjohn]

Be interesting to see the "bruiser" wheels on the "hi-lift" ?? Also i think the "Hi-lift " body would look much better on the other chasis.

[@TomleyRC]

Bruiser wheels are the same as the originals, so don't have a hex. You have to get an adaptor to fit other wheels to it.

[@dutchbeef8920]

The price difference is more if you take into account that the Tamiya comes as a kit and you need to add the servos and esc etc etc. if you want a fully built Tamiya bruiser out the box RTR you are looking at significantly more then the list price for the kit, you’d be looking at a pro build.

[@angelounson2175]

I like your impartiality. I am a Tamiya (and Kyosho) fan. I have my collection of these. The HG series is a curiosity. I suspect most of the Tamiya RC products are most likely made in China, and that isn't a bad thing. I will probably buy one. Thanks Tomley.

[@DomVito87]

I actually have both an love my p417 more . Put on some rc4wd 1.55 with some swampers.

[@danne77sthlm]

I like the P407 because it mimics the behavior of our pickup truck irl and our quad, I have never been comfortable driving 4wd in high speeds, I am always thinking that it makes a tear on the gearboxes But, I am looking forward to you locking the diffs, bigger wheels and oilshocks on the 417, it might also be a good choice to own after those mods!

[@rcuintheshed6981]

Thank you for this honest review as usual very reliable after seeing this I'll definitely be getting a 407 replica of my real car can't waite for the running video review keep up the entertaining vids there very well done.

[@TomleyRC]

Cheers Mark. Running video was posted a while back

[@angelounson2175]

I bought one! It is lovely.

[@catxls1835]

Great video. I bought the 407 and thought I had made a mistake and should have got the 417. However after watching your video, it seems I made the right choice. Thumbs up.

[@henrywashington3732]

I have both, but the 4 wheel steering is siccccc!

[@jimfeeney9499]

No contest the Bruiser Clone is the clear cut winner. Better material to start with

[@TomleyRC]

Agree Jim

[@bradkalman2353]

I would want both of those versions and the Tamiya versions.

[@gatti493]

HG P407 takes it , just better looking, both fantastic value , id get 2 HG P407s

[@CarminesRCTipsandTricks]

No question with me... 407! Looks better, sounds better, performs better!! Not that either is a high performance Crawler... Of course I can't afford either, but I'd take the 407 with softer, proper Crawler Tyres. The 417 looks like pure nostalgia, for those who miss theirs. 96mm Tyres do not work on something like that. The run at the end proved that! Carmine ✈🚂🚙

[@TomleyRC]

agree.. 407 for me too

[@jtugfestiva]

Does the HG 417 need an adapter to fit different wheels?

[@TomleyRC]

No, has 12mm Hexes

[@Fonzierc]

P407 looks like it will perform better Imo better ground clearance looks like better tyres looks generally better .plus the metal gears it's a bonos having 4wd only in low gear should be okay as if you gonna climb or crawl should be slow anyway .

[@TomleyRC]

I agree... 407 for me too

[@carlcadogan4510]

Thanks for this confirmation. Should also be more energy efficient not having fulltime 4wd.

[@jorgezuni2818]

Whats the remote model # or any other alternative remote that also has transfer Transmission Selectror Lever on the remote function ?

[@bradkalman2353]

The 417 is full time 4wd in all three gears. Did you also know that the Maya was selling straight from them the Bruiser for four or five hundred dollars so it was like half off or more that's more than half off.

[@MrRoseandrc]

My 407 keeps breaking the leafsping on the right rear side but the other one no problems with it

[@TomleyRC]

I've heard they can be a weak spot

[@bradkalman2353]

I would prefer to camo bumper.

[@MRGAMER-qm3qh]

Great comparison! 😉💯👍🏻

[@TomleyRC]

Thanks Boss

[@bigwhop136]

Can you please help me my controllers are reverses and yes I can just switch the reverse button but its not accurate when using lights and engine sound as the reverse is forward and forward is reverse

[@speedsparks257]

Nice video mate keep it going

[@TomleyRC]

Thanks dude

[@thiagoandes2951]

I'm liking this I might get the black one. Thanks

[@PeteWylieRC]

Great info Phil. Still not sure about getting one of these. Shame the Tamiya's are so expensive!

[@TomleyRC]

Yes Pete... £699 for a Bruiser!

[@PeteWylieRC]

@@TomleyRC Slightly outrageous!

[@paulcucit2786]

I ordered a P407 from the CZ warehouse 2 weeks ago, but they sent an email the next day saying they're out of stock, so I have to wait. Did you steal my truck?? Just kidding... I ordered a white one anyway. Was only £130 with a 20% off voucher... crazy good value!

[@TomleyRC]

I'm sure they still have the black on in stock? £130 is a bargain!

[@paulcucit2786]

@@TomleyRC They do, but I want a white one so I can paint it like a real Bruiser. It's the bargain of the century... more than 5 times cheaper than the Tamiya equivalent!

[@Del350K4]

So the 407 has metal gears and can accommodate a body with a full interior fitted, while the 417 offers a front-mounted motor...I´d get the 407 even if they cost the same : )

[@TomleyRC]

Agree Del... and at the price it currently is in the UK (the 407).... it's an even better deal! Around £160 at the moment!... even cheaper if you have a few spare Banggood points

[@bestamerica]

' i have one R/C tamiya truck F-350 and only rear axle wheel drive... front axle is a flat and no 4X4

[@simontromans2748]

Could the bigger wheels be taken off the p407 and put on the p410?

[@islandrc-duke1972]

Great review and I like both

[@TomleyRC]

Thanks mate. I think i'd have to have the 407 if I had to pick one.

[@taomicioli]

hi lift trans looked familiar..... it is....... the semi truck transmission!!

[@bradkalman2353]

How's the transmission change on the Bruiser clone by putting a full-time 4 wheel drive in all three gears?

[@WCPRCModelsCraft]

407 is coooool. Nice axles

[@TomleyRC]

Yes... metal is quite soft though. But still...pretty good for the price!

[@bradkalman2353]

Can you get the metal gears for the four one seven and the Tamiya version?

[@rc-shedshakedown3191]

What about transmission "slop" on the 407? I currently run it with only the rear diff locked, but on both end I notice; a) slop between the diff and the dirveshaft b) slopt between the gearbox and the driveshaft. Gives it quite a kick when driving. Curious where that is being caused.

[@TomleyRC]

Yes, there is a bit of slop... possible to make it better with a bit of shimming I reckon

[@dimitrischrysanthou4253]

the p407 what sise of wheels and tyre have are 2.2 rim or 1.9 rim?

[@bradkalman2353]

The hg41 7 is it a smaller scale than the other one cuz it looks smaller?

[@Nightdare]

Thought about frankensteining my old Clod Buster into a kind of Custom Juggernaut with either a Bruiser chassis or a High Lift chassis (single centered motor, shaft driven 4x4x4, clod suspension, tires and shell) Thought the high lift was already a lot of money for an experiment I wouldn't know if I could execute correctly But when I saw what Tamiya is asking for the Bruiser, I really had to question what drugs they were on, especially since I would be needing 2 front axles to retain the 4-wheel steering My wallet resounded with a definite "NOPE!" For that kind of cash, I could build an entire ClodZilla in aftermarket parts from scratch With these 2 offerings, options are open again

[@thevillageidiot1655]

I’m Canadian and I just got one for 400 on Banggood. Canada’s money sucks !

[@findingabe]

going with the 407

[@TomleyRC]

Good choice

[@LegendaryRc]

do any of these trucks use the same parts as their Tamiya counterparts or do they just look similar

[@TomleyRC]

Pretty much 100% identical

[@aaronlim6365]

Can I put hg 407 body shell to tamiya rock socker, cr_01

[@parasurveyor]

I'm at work but I'm still watching lol

[@TomleyRC]

haha... I do that as well 😬

[@RoosterRC]

You sad you have a mod for the leaking dampers? Have you got a link for me please?

[@TomleyRC]

I said 'there is a mod'.... I saw it on a facebook group.

[@dontdogarage]

Do u have anything 1/10 scale u got for review that u would want to sell for a fair price? I just got into the hobby in beginning of feburary and got a wpl c24-1 rtr that I've built with the metal 4 link, offical wpl metal axels, brushed 380 with metal box, metal rims ect, also got a wpl b24 with metal shackle upgrade and 6x6 conversion, wpl c34km and a wpl d12 I'm setting up for a brushless 2435 4800kv setup on rbr/c metal gearbox

[@playactionjackson918]

Nice! I have an Original Tamiya High Lift and my dad has an original Bruiser. Bruiser is way better IMO.

[@TomleyRC]

Agree. I had the F350, looked very nice

[@marcushaas44]

I understand that these are nice RCs because these are Tamiya clones for decent money...but are these good deals/ good rc cars for 200usd in 2020?

[@TomleyRC]

Well being half the price of the Tamiyas they are good deals. But compared to other more modern stuff they are not all that good

[@marcushaas44]

@@TomleyRC thx for your honest opinion mate!

[@andreRC88]

Safe buddy when you think you bring back the d99s with your updates on to I have look at

[@TomleyRC]

Soon mate, hopefully won't be too long

[@andreRC88]

@@TomleyRC yes man you cool u all ways reply great man ,and mean time I been playing with my wltoys 12423 just getting few updates in and get all metal update and hop sooner get bigger motor ,I know is old but having fun for quite some time now

[@mikeshiflett1562]

I use to be a tamiya purist. But not anymore. I've sold off many of my originals due to hard times in the past. Now being a bit older and a little more nostalgic I want my bruiser back but I'm not paying tamiya prices. And now I can beat on them without beating on my wallet.

[@brianargo9306]

Cool video! Check out some of a Dennis Dempsey's videos on what he does with a p 407 if u haven't already

[@TomleyRC]

I'll check him out. Thanks Brian

[@jonlaird5082]

He's like the master of the bruiser and P407's. His stuff is 'out of control' lol

[@Some1outside5973]

problem is technology is advancing and making cars cheaper but the price is way to high

[@thiagoandes2951]

Hello are the gears all metal?

[@diaspo]

get some Tamiya stickers on it for a laugh!

[@TomleyRC]

Haha... that would upset even more people!

[@paulmcnamara2908]

Never been a fan of the hogh lift series of trucks even if the 407 cost more I would get the 407 any day!

[@tanishqanchal9699]

What is your job tomley rc

[@borneorinukutrukutvlogs1588]

407 nice bro...

[@bradkalman2353]

The Tamiya hilift one has oil filled dampers.

[@jeffbrundt7740]

Can the radio be purchased separately?

[@TomleyRC]

I’m not sure dude

[@richardcarr6493]

well l ve always liked the TAMIYAs toyotas but for the money l d get the cheap ones and be happy

[@MrFruitflan]

i had the tamiya high lift when it 1st come out, it was crap then, why anyone would want a clone of it is beyond me haha.

[@TomleyRC]

Yes...I think i may have mentioned that in my 417 Review :)

[@MrFruitflan]

@@TomleyRC we had a guy bring one over our crawler club, he drove it down a steep incline, of course it toppled over, sounded like a washing machine being thrown off a cliff lol

[@TomleyRC]

haha

[@amw4736]

Nice video Phil I have noticed you have a lot of crawlers. I'm going to buy my first REAL crawler and I want to stay around 250.00 can you tell me the best one based on your experience? I'm thinking the best one would be the RGT EX86010CJ would you agree? or is there one that you would recommend that would be better?

[@TomleyRC]

Highly recommend the EX86010 or the longer wheelbase EX86110. Both very nice crawlers for the money

[@brandonragsdale6219]

Have you seen the hg p409??

[@TomleyRC]

Yes, same just a different coloured body to the 417

[@mikeymike3240]

The price is right, i love clones, why wouldn’t you, the same company that made the re re’s for Tamiya, make the clones, it’s a no brainer. Why pay £500 for something when you can get the same thing......the exact same thing....under £200. Simples. The HP417 is on the cards for my next rc purchase. I’m still not sure about the 4 wheel steering. Schools out on that one.

[@scot0811]

3rd comment ! Plus , love the video , nice that you went through everything! Maybe try comparing them to the real ones?!? Edit:6 views and 8 likes

[@TomleyRC]

Oh... not sure I wanna drop all that money on a real bruiser! haha

[@bradkalman2353]

They call that crabbing.

[@NexusIncorporation]

i gonna see it on cristmas this year. Going for the 407 i like it a little more than the Highlift. i wouldnt wonder if these clones are actually are right the same just a diffrent Color and tamiya gets their kits labeled by them. I start with tamiya and honestly i love that company but lets be honest why Tamiya shouldn't do what anyone else does anyways for years now. i think they have some kind of licence otherwise someone already would have sued them i think just to get a share of what ever.

[@TomleyRC]

Yes i think there is some truth in that theory. 407 is a good choice :)

[@mark-1rc502]

I need a P

[@TomleyRC]

haha... so many P's to choose from!

[@brianwood9849]

Hopefully HG will come out with the long discontinued Tamiya Juggernaut Monster!! Maybe they will clone the Clod Buster also. I still think it’s wrong how they are stealing Tamiya’s Engineering !!! Yes Some of Tamiya’s products are high. But there stuff is made in Japan with excellent quality and these are Chinese knockoffs .

[@John-ds3kj]

Me too lol😂😂😂

[@durden.tyler537]

Tamiya did all of the research and design and the Chinese company copied them to reap the profits. That Chinese stuff is garbage. Keep the company in business that brings us quality products and innovative designs -Tamiya.

[@TomleyRC]

I've heard rumours that these are made in the same factory

[@brandonragsdale6219]

Woooooo

[@paulsnow1197]

Second one here!

[@kavoovak6646]

Im so early!!

[@TomleyRC]

I'm late : )

[@ronniecreason7870]

Everything is a clone

[@TomleyRC]

Well you gotta point there lol. The real 1:1 Hilux is the original

[@aaronlim6365]

Can I put hg 407 body shell to tamiya rock socker,cr_01 chasis