What's An "Ace" Pilot?

In this episode we're talking about "Ace" Pilots and what that actually means.
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[@steriskyline4470]

i absolutely love the irony of our man leaning on an oerlikon while talking about aces, never change man, i love you.

[@wfoj21]

Approx 6:45 to 7:15 I lost audio. Great topic. I wonder -Did any Single Mount 20 mm Oerlikon gunners on a ship get 5 shootdowns in their career?

[@Jayray-zk5iq]

i lost audio in the same gap

[@bigmike9128]

Me too

[@freedomwagonfilms7233]

Highly doubtful that any individual gunner shot down that many aircraft. For the ship to have even been credited they had to prove that no other ship or aircraft could have been responsible. So with the number of guns and lack of gun cameras at each mount it's nearly impossible to say where fatal shots came from.

[@jakemillar649]

Same

[@moffgideon2213]

Same

[@MrPain522]

Missing audio from 6:42-7:13

[@adamdubin1276]

Pappy Boyington, 26 aircraft destroyed in Dogfight before he himself was shot down and taken prisoner. Man was as rough as they came and an excellent Marine.

[@robertthomas5906]

He has a field named after him. Cour D'Alene airport in Idaho. Unfortunately I missed the dedication I think by two weeks in 2007.

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

@@robertthomas5906 Deserves a ship. Long overdue....

[@Johnc0094]

Audio lost 6:45 to 7:15. I'm not sure why this happened :(

[@tihspidtherekciltilc5469]

The ghost of Ryan's microphone.

[@toddmetzger]

Someone turned on the jammers 🤪

[@klsc8510]

And I can't lip read either!

[@supercrew63]

Robin Olds was my favorite ace in ww2 and Viet Nam and the only pilot to shoot down an enemy plane in the glide mode. He lost engines when switching fuel tanks in his P38 Lightning.

[@kevinschwabe4201]

My thought exactly. That was a great Dogfights episode too! The fighter pilot's fighter pilot.

[@exovian489]

There's a mistake when discussing Muhammad Alam; Ryan says he was Indian. He was Pakistani, flying against India.

[@davelewandoski4292]

So many great Aces from WWll. Pappy Boyington, Richard Bong, Tommy McGuire, Gabby Gabriski, Robert S Johnson, Don Gentile, David McCambell, Kille Kane, Joe Foss.

[@seatedliberty]

My favorite Ace pilot is Dick Bong- when you have a name like that and absolutely no one dares make fun of you, you know he's 100% bad ass.

[@chuckoffcampus9738]

There is a nice museum dedicated to him in Superior, Wisconsin.

[@Avelcaine]

​@@chuckoffcampus9738 The Superior Dick Bong Museum!

[@cleverusername9369]

Favorite Ace would have to be Herr Manfred von Richthofen aka the Red Baron.

[@jannwue]

Sabaton incoming: 😉 Man and machine and nothing there in between The flying circus and a man from Prussia

[@cleverusername9369]

@@jannwue the sky and a plane, this man commands his domain The western front and all the way to Russia!

[@MyklEnigma]

What about The Red Baron & his battles against snoopy ? 🤭

[@Vanilla0729]

As a Columbus native, Eddie Rickenbacker has to be among my favorite aviators. John "Jimmy" Thatch gets my top spot for WWII aces.

[@mikecimerian6913]

He is an innovator in air combat tactics. The Thatch weave was the answer to Zero fighters higher maneuverability.

[@StuSaville]

Douglas Bader would have to be my favorite ace. Managed to score 22 kills despite having lost both legs in an air crash before the war. Became a POW after a collision with a BF-109 but made so many escape attempts that the frustrated Germans locked him up in Colditz castle and threatened to confiscate both his prosthetic legs.

[@cp1cupcake]

I don't know if he ever made it to ace status, but I love the Polish airman who crashed his plane into a Luftwaffe plane during the Battle of Britain. More than once.

[@harryfaber]

@@cp1cupcake I am curious to know who this Polish pilot was, I have not been able to find a record of it.

[@Masada1911]

Now that’s a topical video

[@MrDDiRusso]

During the Vietnam war, a B 52 bomber shot down 5 North Vietnamese MIG's with its tail mounted Vulcan cannon.

[@klsc8510]

Sorry, this old Airman that served on 3 SAC bases has to correct you. No B-52H models, the only model with the M-61 Vulcan, went to Vietnam. Only 2 MiG-21s were shot down by B-52s and those were D models with the 4 M-2 50 caliber machine guns. No B-52s were shot down by any North Vietnamese aircraft. So BUFF 2 North Vietnam 0.

[@jdst1042]

Robin Olds is my Favorite, Also we had a few Vietnam guys achieve ace status.

[@ImpendingJoker]

I do hate to tell y'all this Ryan, but all that footage of the "Ghost of Kyiv" are all from the popular combat simulator called Digital Combat Simulator: World or DCS:World, by Eagle Dynamics. This has already been debunked, and if you look at the clouds in the video you can easily tell it uses the same cloud models from the DCS v2.7 update. This has already been confirmed by several news outlets, and many MANY DCS users, including myself. The video has just had some filters applied and then cropped to make it look like it was shot on a cell phone. The MiG-35 is pretty much an updated MiG-29 with fly-by-wire flight controls, and thrust vectoring nozzles.

[@revenantrex1957]

I choose to believe.

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

Not exactly. The event and the video recreation are different things.

[@kotori87gaming89]

A lot of the footage popping up in searches is, indeed, edited from DCS. However, that does not *dis*prove the existence of the Ghost of Kyiv, or his successes. It just disproves those particular videos. It is entirely probable that much of that footage is posted as propaganda, either as morale boosters in support of Ukraine or as red herrings to "muddy the waters" about the existence of this ace. I expect little will be known for certain until after the war is over.

[@keithmoore5306]

of course it's complete bullshit you forget ukraine was hired by killery and the demon rats to screw with our elections in 16!!! computer generated fiction is their speciality!!!!

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

@@keithmoore5306 you sort of skipped over Hunter Biden.....🙄

[@jeffersonchau7171]

Ummm 6:42 the audio cuts out and ends at 7:14. Might wanna fix that

[@craigbathurst1185]

You really need to fix the audio in this spot.

[@albertoswald8461]

My father was 10 1/2 when Pearl Harbor was attacked. He was big into airplanes and had a scrapbook on all sorts of planes. Well, 1980 comes. I'm 9 and we're in a furniture store shopping for a living room set. Mom is exploring and I'm with Dad. He gets talking with the salesman. It turns he had flown a P-51 during the war and had 4 confirmed kills! He was still mad 35 years after that he couldn't get one more!!! Needless to say, Dad was sitting on the edge of his seat pumping this guy with questions and acting like a big kid. I'm next to him thinking, "Who are you and what did you do to my father?"😁 It's nice to see your parents sometimes not being parents and just being themselves!!

[@resolute123]

Congrats getting 100k subscribers!

[@31dknight]

Great video from the battleship.

[@mosheberkovits3586]

Will you do a video about the pool made by captain Snyder? I visited a few days ago and Ryan showed me where it was, I saw that you did a video on it years ago but it was very short

[@aw34565]

Josef František, a Czech volunteer who flew a Hawker Hurricane during Battle of Britain, credited with 17 kills in four weeks.

[@rivierstad3817]

Favorite Ace - Robin Olds! Great video as always.

[@klsc8510]

For Aces, I will go with 3. Majors Richard I. Bong (40) and Thomas McGuire (38) for the United States. For WWII Germany, the Blonde Knight, Erich Hartmann (352).

[@hughmarloweverest1684]

During WW2 a Navy pilot , David McCampbell shot down nine in a single engagement. Look it up.

[@andrew_s_learn6255]

Did anyone else lose about 30 seconds of audio around 6:42?

[@Plumbump]

yup

[@paulbervid1610]

Great video and awesome subject .

[@shaider1982]

Marsellie and a Canadian ace (forgot his name, called the Maltese Falcon) were the masters of high angle deflection shooting.

[@alfretwell428]

George Beurling, (Maltese Falcon)got to be the allies best ace.

[@shaider1982]

@@alfretwell428 Ahh, yup, that’s him. Trained shooting at birds with a revolver.

[@timothyhouse1622]

I doubt we will EVER see anyone take over the Ace of Aces title from Erich Hartmann. 352 kills, even in World War 2, was insane. Especially when you consider he started flying on the Eastern Front when 17 and in 1942. Unlike the other German aces he hadn't been flying since 1939, and in some cases 1936 with the Condor Legion. Interesting point, the only two FEMALE aces both died fighting Germans over Ukraine SSR.

[@thurin84]

"whos your favorite ace?" YES!

[@GhostKnightTech]

Why do you love the A-10 plane? Is it because the A-10 is the moren version of the old Thunderbolt from WW2 ? Blot Plane from

[@rkalle66]

Ace ranking lists may not so popular in US as the top 100 are German WWII pilots all of them scoring +100. There is a reason behind this scores as fighters against bombers isn't really a dog fight. Second there was a policy where German fighters went into service as long as they could whereas allied air forces got a system of rotation between service and training new pilots. All air forces in WWII run into the problem deploying pilots as plane production got up.

[@adamjenkins3333]

Uh Audio at 6:42? Coming back at 7:13

[@renaissanceman4054]

Funny that's the second time I heard "great morale boost" from somebody who knew better. Telling lies because it makes people feel better isn't right

[@cp1cupcake]

Israel's air losses in the Yom Kippur War kinda showed that you can prevent total air control even if your airmen are entirely outmatched in the air.

[@19TheChaosWarrior79]

I was scrolling through my feed and thought this was another @Ward Carroll vid as I know he did a short about this topic

[@adenkyramud5005]

Ah another amazing channel. With ward, drach and BBNJ there's always something to get my history fix whenever I need it.

[@Philistine47]

My favorite ace has to be Oswald Boelcke, a German pilot in WW1, and generally considered "The Father of Air Combat Tactics." Not only was he an ace, but as one of the very first fighter pilots in history he had to figure out aerial tactics from scratch; he wrote down what he learned in a pamphlet called the _Dicta Boelcke,_ which is *still* - 100+ years later, with all the technological development that's taken place and all the experience that has been amassed - considered to be the fundamental rules for How to Win Air Combat.

[@arkzulu]

Chuck Yeager was a great pilot, but my favourite ace has to be Eino Ilmari Juutilainen, 94 confirmed victories, 126 probables in 437 sorties.

[@Jesusfreak-m3x]

I do not remember his name but a B17 side gunner shot down 5 BF109s over Italy flying out of North Africa circa 1943.

[@oligoprimer]

I read the same story; as I remember, he was 6’6” tall and easily able to manhandle a single .50 cal. And as I remember he shot down five planes on one mission for a total of 7.

[@tater_relocater]

George E Preddy 26.8 kills ace in a day . Flew cripes a mighty

[@stewko]

My favourite is definitely ghost of Kiev. Even he might not be real he represents resistance!

[@dominichines9996]

From what I've seen, Ukraine has a very distributed network for their air force, training their pilots thoroughly to use improvised airfields. I wouldn't be surprised if they had no intention of using their designated airfields and are just using highways for airstrips.

[@ksmurphable]

Not sure why I’d be such a morale boost to have one ace shoot down six planes versus have like five competent pilots that we’re all able to shoot down a plane and maybe one of them shot down to I’d rather know the majority of my Air Force could take out enemies then rely on just one Kavan to like the Russians are going to target him specifically if they know he’s the biggest threat

[@GoobiesFunZone]

Would u be willing to do a video on your opinion about Russian aggression against Ukraine

[@WillPittenger]

Sound cut out part way into the video.

[@Chodda]

Its hard to believe Russia did not attack their air support systems quickly. Air superiority is key. There was indeed a ground battle at one of the airports. Whether that's the airport the 'Ghost' used is another question. Most likely a folklore story. If not, a major embarrassment to Russia.

[@SergeantKillGore]

Yeah, I’m skeptical as well but it’s fun to think about an Ace appearing in the 21st century. It’s also very possible that such an individual could be using stretches of road or an unmarked airstrip to refuel and rearm.

[@jeffs9266]

Some of the video of the “ghost” was from a video game. Take everything thing you see on MSM, with a grain of salt

[@binbashbuddy]

The picture of the "ghost" is a guy wearing glasses. How many fighter jet pilots wear glasses?

[@stevemc6010]

That's a meme

[@imchris5000]

@@stevemc6010 its all meme

[@bernielomaxsmustache7204]

Because it’s fake

[@randyogburn2498]

Snoopy.

[@busterbeagle2167]

Did not get notifications for this

[@burroaks7]

Yeager, Dick Bong, The Ghost...lol too many to pick

[@slimeydon]

My favorite ace is Joe Foss

[@crazyeyez1502]

To me, it still seems that either the Russian military is extremely overrated, or they just havent committed their full might to this war yet.

[@theflyingalamo]

I don't believe that they were not prepared for the level of resistance that they are seeing. A much shorter operation was likely expected.

[@crazyeyez1502]

@Ryan Collins that is possible too. Which could also fit in with not being fully committed and prepared.

[@SovietDictator]

They're goldbricking it. Rumours are they are using scrapyard-grade crap from the 70s instead of committing serious resources

[@crazyeyez1502]

@Plane Speech that is also a good theory I've seen going around

[@klsc8510]

Read the book MiG Pilot. Even though the event was about 40 years ago. It seems little has changed in the USSR/Russian military.

[@baronpen]

My favorite ace, if I had to pick one, is Giora Epstein from the Israeli Air Force. Also like Ran Ronen from the IAF and Robin Olds (among MANY others).

[@DeadpoolNJ]

Sound cuts out later in the video

[@physetermacrocephalus2209]

Listen, the Ghost of Kiev is not real and this has been known for days. It was a fake story made up on a War Thunder video game discord AKA chat room and is a reference to a fictional character in yet another video game Ace Combat 5. It's a direct allusion to the character "Ghost of Razgriz" Quite frankly I think kind of thing is terrible for morale because ultimately it's based on lies; and though there may be a temporary benefit; the negative impact will be much worse once the truth inevitably becomes known.

[@BeKindToBirds]

A significant factor to this legend's legs is the believability of how this "ghost" got his kills. In a sky saturated with russian aircraft a single plane flying low is able to quickly fly under false IFF or with enough electronic confusion, use a missile at short range and then fly away to circle back or re-arm. Videos of mig-29(s) doing these exact kinds of tactics, flying low into banks, using missiles at extreme close range, and reports of the confusion over the sky, videos of hit aircraft, and long speculation on what the future of air combat would be in the 21st century all add up to a very plausible story. The only real part difficult to believe is that it is a single pilot. But, stranger things have happened in war, many experienced pilots returned to fight, the mig-29's were recently upgraded in 2018, ukraine is receiving US intelligence from the observer aircraft constantly flying the border looking in, a small different in skill can mean a lot of dead until the knowledge how to defeat it proliferates. (I remember some story about how in ww2 the Japanese learned what kind of turn an american aircraft could not do and used that to get many kills until the planes got more capable and training improved.) And again, this war is a watershed for history. Like the us civil war and the spanish civil war there are foreshadows of future tactics only speculated on before at show. This war has become a war of intelligence and missiles and I certainly can believe that a single dedicated ukrainian exists who went into a city airspace several times in a night to press a button and fly away. I believe there is such a man with that kind of skill to take down even a su-35 and il-76's this way, if God is on his side and he is not shot down by another man relying on his electronics and buttons. What is amusing to me is how russian propaganda first said that it was not possible because of loiter time, then they began to argue against the name "angel of death" very early that night before the ghost name was popularized by the youtuber on twitter. So it seems the Russians were very concerned with if it could be a single pilot as well. I wonder who retired soviet pilots are known as legends these days eh? I wonder where some of these big names are now who have been champions of airshows for years. Anyway you can learn a lot about something by the way it very first is argued against. Aerodynamic performance, ordnance, intelligence, opportunity, willpower, sigint, what part alone makes this not work? Only luck I suppose. God's grace. So it could very well be true.

[@peterkirk6518]

where's the footage of the wreckage that can be confirmed?

[@tihspidtherekciltilc5469]

Currently rendering in 360.

[@robertarrington6926]

Operation Bolo in Vietnam

[@roberthudson1959]

Except for Germans, pilots who shot down five enemy aircraft were considered "aces." The Germans had to shoot down 10.

[@yes_head]

I would view this whole thing with a huge amount of skepticism until corroborated. It smelled like folklore to me the minute it was brought up, and it reeks of video game fan service.

[@keithmoore5306]

smells like pure bagdad bob style and level lies to me!!!

[@the_undead]

I don't want to say I believe it, but with how is your walk over this in theory should have been for the Russians I would not be at all surprised. Also just like Ryan said this is likely a morale booster for everyone in Ukraine because the outcome seemed inevitable

[@cp1cupcake]

Something Ryan glosses over is how aces are determined. There is quite a bit of factchecking which goes into this, for example an ace needs to have a witness to each instance. There usually are a lot of post-war investigations because of how often the reports overstate accomplishments. Most military organizations tend to overstate what they did, and some of it is entirely benign, like not being able to tell the difference between a burning plane and one using its afterburners.

[@keithmoore5306]

@@cp1cupcake actually gun camera footage will do for verifying a kill at least in WW2 and korea

[@the_undead]

@@cp1cupcake what I wish more people understood about Ariel combat is the fact that in the vast majority of cases pilots will overclaim, if for no other reason then two or three pilots may have claimed against the same aircraft because they shot at it and then it went down. Then you also get instances like you mentioned where is that a burning plane or is that a plane using its afterburner or whatever is appropriate for that plane depending on if you're looking at modern times or say world war II for example.

[@DeliveryMcGee]

MiG-29 is baby, think F-16 or OG F/A-18C/D, or in next-gen terms, F-35. The Su-27 is HUGE, more like an F-14/F-15 or F-22, almost as long, and much heavier that, a B-17. As for aces, MAJ Richard "Dick" Bong, USAAF pretty much takes it. Amusing name, shot down 40 Japanese aircraft, was awarded the Medal of Honor, died with his boots on as a test pilot in an accident testing the first American jet fighter. Honorable mention, Israeli fighter pilots. They have a lot of low-scoring aces (mostly 5-8, max 14.5), but they gave the F-15 its reputation as unbeatable, the vast majority of the type's 101-0 record in combat was done by Israel. And of course there was that one guy (not yet an ace) who landed one WITH AN ENTIRE WING MISSING after a midair collision.

[@clydecessna737]

In 1982 the Israelis shot down over 80 Syrian aircraft over 2 days. I cannot believe there were no aces as a result.

[@nickpontiac]

In WW2, there were over 100 German pilots with at least 100 aerial victories.

[@steriskyline4470]

claimed or confirmed?

[@straybullitt]

Some of those guys racked up a impressive number of kills. The Germans created the perfect environment for a ambitious fighter pilot. They cleverly lured large numbers of enemy aircraft to fly over their country every day that the weather permitted. All the pilots had to do was go up and knock a couple down, and that was their day. It was easy at first. Even if they happened to get shot down, it was usually behind their own lines, so they avoided becoming POW's, and were recycled with a greater knowledge of air combat. They were expected to continue flying in combat until they were dead, or Germany was victorious, whichever one came first. So they saw plenty of action. The allies had greater numbers of pilots, planes and fuel, particularly later in the war, so the allied pilots didn't have to endure all of the combat exposure that the German pilots did.

[@cortenglish4098]

Thoroughly enjoy your work. Is the puzzling Ukrainian situation really about Taiwan? A little wag the dog without the interns? Thanks for the great videos!

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

That made no sense

[@zacharychebuske3797]

The Red Baron

[@russellg9158]

isn't he also like the first ace since WW2?

[@mstevens113]

Been many acres since WW2. Korea, Vietnam, Israeli collection of wars etc, not a day has gone by without war somewhere in that time.

[@ZeEvilOne]

From the latest report he's still alive and has 16 kills.

[@johnslaughter5475]

Considering the news showing a 40 mile line of Russian armor heading toward Kyiv, I would like to see Ukraine get a squadron of A-10s. Just start at the head of the line and start disabling the leading armor and make a road block for all those behind it. Four years before my time on the Ranger, Ranger's CO was Leo McCuddin. He was an ace in WWII. He got his first kills flying off the Yorktown at the Battle of the Coral Sea. He received the Navy Cross and Silver Star the same day. My father was aboard Ranger. McCuddin and my first CO, William "Tag" Livingston, are the top two most popular COs that Ranger ever had.

[@CuongNguyen-sj3vr]

ACE take down ACE

[@jaybee9269]

Israel has certainly produced aces…and the Jordanian and Egyptian pilots were no slouches either; the former were trained by the RAF.

[@blackw0lf993]

Favorite ace has to be Pappy The Ukraine thing ain't as far fetched as one thinks. They knew the Russians were coming have for awhile really. They been able to move assets out of the bases and literally squirrel them out along highways and areas where they could hide them from over flight and service them and rearm them The Mig 29 was designed as the F16 and the A10 was here to be flown from these conditions in a nato verses Soviet fight in Europe. Remember their aircraft can use our service equipment and their 12.7 mm guns can use our .50 cal ammo yes there is degrade involved but they can do it as it was part of the design when they built them. The radar and vectoring equipment also can be moved and part of their training is to move them and only use them when they are operating them for targeting. Iraq in 1990-1991 did not have near that discipline in radar and searching they kept them sites glowing for days before they sent our aircraft in. I do agree it's unlikely but it's not outside the possibility of reason either. This one conflict I find it hard to take a side in. There are to many questions like why are there US bio labs in Ukraine for one? I don't trust Putin at all but I can't trust our current government either only thing I can be sure of is Ukraine is being invaded and don't deserve it necessarily and it's not fair to the civilians in any case. There been a lot of misdirection and lies from the media that make a me question the events tho. First we hear that snake island was attacked and they were all killed then we learn later they survived (makes sense when you think about it other than the radar site was there any real target there? After all it made a good story but it wasn't in the best interest of the Russian navy to target anything there but the radar once it was down there wasn't my target. Then we have had a steady diet of misdirection and false claims from both sides footage from Syria peddled as current other footage from Crimea peddled as current as well. It makes me question everything there and while we should support our Allies in NATO and the region we should tread really light there I think. Sorry for long post but this isn't a simple topic at this point.

[@mikeweller9933]

Richard Bong

[@ksmongeau4632]

in top gun: maverick ... she says... mav shot down 5, that makes him an ace ...

[@Lessinath]

One plane and pilot or not, I think the Ghost of Kyiv is going to end up in the history books.

[@starshipmechanic]

the thing about the ghost of Kyiv is that for the folks on the ground every time a mig-29 flies overhead they're going to wonder if that's him, and that's a huge morale boost for Ukraine, and might demoralize an already demoralized Russian conscript when they see it, true or not.

[@bernielomaxsmustache7204]

It’s fake

[@Lessinath]

@@bernielomaxsmustache7204 It could be fake. But pilots getting that many kills HAS happened before, so it absolutely could be real. Add in the fact that the MIG-29 is explicitly designed for off-runway operators, using a flat road as its runway and concealed support vehicles nearby, and it is the most likely aircraft to end up used for this because it is so hard to destroy it or its facilities on the ground. But ultimately, we don't know. Anyone claiming to know 100% for sure right now is full of it.

[@carisi2k11]

Su-27's and Su-35's are not Migs. 2 x SU 25 and 35's and 1 x SU-27 and Mig-29.

[@jeffbangle4710]

Yeah, I noticed errors about aircraft in previous videos as well. Maybe he should collab with Bismark for fact-checking... ;)

[@glocke380]

Butch O'Hare

[@bernielomaxsmustache7204]

Pappy boyington

[@codyhowes2110]

Love the channel but I've noticed watch KZbin an channels in general idk seems like we almost say what they should do people that think things out. 🤔 makes me feel with social midea we can give away too much information

[@matthewpoe1056]

Eddie Rickenbacker

[@alanh3713]

Tthe Ghost of Kiev, It's been proven to be a Hoax. Sorry. I wanted it to be true as well.

[@Oppsypoopsy]

Does this have to deal with the ghost of Kiev

[@cleverusername9369]

Watch literally 30 seconds of the video and find out ...

[@Oppsypoopsy]

@@cleverusername9369 I said this before the video

[@cleverusername9369]

@@Oppsypoopsy yeah, no shit...

[@mykofreder1682]

You would hope they knew the most likely invader would be Russia and have air defense dispersed with roads and things that look like warehouses ready to house the air force. An airport and military planes lined up would be a target, I suspect they had air bases that were destroyed early. This discrete, dispersed air force goes back to Japan and its kamikaze force at least and probably many other places. The US kept getting attacked by hundreds of planes because the planes would be hidden under camouflage along roads that were used as runways, US planes looking for airplanes on the ground would fly over hundreds of miles of road and see nothing unusual.

[@localenterprisebroadcastin5971]

It’s propaganda…there is no ghost of Kyiv

[@americanlogger]

Loss of Audio 6:45 t 7:17

[@bernielomaxsmustache7204]

If we want to talk about real true aces we should be talking about boyington, bong etc. not a fake Ukrainian ghost

[@robertarrington6926]

Operation Bolo.

[@MrJeep75]

Red barron

[@fred6319]

Ukraines MG 29 are obsolete and only used for training and the videos came from video game BULLSHIT PROPAGANDA STORY

[@snoopygrey]

The Info is not correct . If we are talking about first 6 kills , those are : SU-35 x2 , SU-25 x2, MIG-29 x1, SU-27 x1. The dogfight with SU-35 is on KZbin, look for it. Latest updates are 14 kills , but all of it will need to be confirmed.

[@thurin84]

oh, almost forgot. tanks and tank commanders also can get ace status after destroying 5 tanks. and if tanks can do it, why not a battleship?

[@DeliveryMcGee]

Well, if a battleship were to kill five other battleships, you could make that argument -- note that it's beating equivalent enemy machines that gets you the "ace" status. Now I'm wondering what's the most kills a capital ship has racked up against other capital ships? Probably going to be a lot of fractions, since fleet actions were a thing (so, for example, KGV and Rodney each get half a point for Bismack, same as a fighter pilot and his wingman who both put rounds into an enemy plane).

[@thurin84]

@@DeliveryMcGee a tank during ww2 shot down an airplane and it counted towards its kill tally. so once again, why not a battleship? airplanes, under the proper conditions, can take out a battleship or at least damage it enough to make it non mission capable. why just capital ships? destroyers and frigates carried torpedos that could sink a battleship. fighters that shot down lumbering bombers that could do little if any real damage to it got to count it in their tally. some countries even counted ground destroyed aircraft in pilots tallies. i think the more important question to ask is not is the machine destroyed equivalent to the machine that destroyed it, but does the destruction of the machine in question do harm to the enemy?

[@silverpairaducks]

Aces

[@Blauefrucht]

Manfred von Richthofen

[@waynerackley709]

Swede Vejtasa

[@ogsgamer1]

ourkraine*

[@mr.miyagi881]

basically propaganda for morale support

[@Melodia-.-]

[@1337flite]

People don't get how hard it is to be an ace. n a really simple model, your chancesof being an ace in 1 on 1 dog fights is 1 in 32. You have a 50/50 chance of winning in a 1 on 1 fight - all else being equal, i.e. you aircraft and weapons are roughly equal. This obviously excludes all the times you don't encounter the enemy or the time when you do encounter the enemy but no one scores a kill. That means to beat 5 people without losing (i.e. dying) you have a 2 to the power of 5 chance. Thats 1 in 32. Killin 6 and surviving is 1 in 64. Doing it in a day - wowza. Seems unlikely unless there are special circumstances (e.g. a speciakl envirnment where one pilot has way more experience) or a massive qualative difference. The odds are really against people becoming aces. I hope the Ghost of Kiev is real - and I wish god speed to all Ukrainian warriors, air and land.

[@mstevens113]

Aces don't go into a 50 50 fight, they are better at getting into a dominant position, picking when to attack and when to bug out, that's why they survive to be an ace. Anyone getting into a 50 50 voluntarily is doing it very very wrong.

[@petlahk4119]

I mean... it *is* propaganda, you would have been right to say it.

[@evanwain1471]

Glory to Ukraine!!!