What's behind Jos Verstappen escalating Red Bull's Horner crisis

[@andy-james-]

Jos Verstappen's legendary advocacy for the well being of women is like saying Jeffery Dahmer was a damned fine cook...

[@ToneRetroGaming]

😂💀⚰☠

[@chuza_97]

Jeffrey Epstein standing against p*dofilia

[@bobcharlotte8724]

Hahahahahahah

[@barrydechef7619]

True whahaha@@ToneRetroGaming

[@axelknutt5065]

I want to laugh at your comment, but unfortunately it is sickenly true.

[@vipiccb6896]

if anyone knows Jos Verstappen and his past, nothing he says can be taken with credibility

[@MuhammadNiz007]

Well you can't take Horner and red bull and seriously either after lying that he is innocent. The screenshots are absolutely real if they weren't they would have instigated a legal action which wouldn't have been difficult because the documents were posted if Google driver linked to Google mail which is legally traceable

[@MuhammadNiz007]

On*

[@antonhuman8446]

YES!

[@gamechip06]

​@@MuhammadNiz007I mean with ai nothing is trustworthy these days

[@realmcerono]

@@gamechip06 its not about the pictures so its not about AI. If Horner decides to post Nipple and D***pics thats his doing... the texts are real and show what a poor guy Horner is.

[@charleswalker3781]

I don't think "bring your parent to work day" is an actual thing. Jos... stay home.

[@edteach3r]

Comment of the day!

[@peterwilles7227]

For now i am totaly with you. From the other side off the water

[@jancula9]

Yes. Would not be surprised whole thing was setup in higher WEF/globalist instances with Jos to be brought as an execution puppet. They tried to throw similar false acquisition on Assange, Spacey, R. Brand and others.

[@spencergiles72]

The irony of Jos, the man who assaulted someone fracturing his skull and earned a 5 year (suspended) sentence, who was charged with assaulting Max's mom, who was convicted of violating a restraining order and who was arrested for attempted murder for allegedly driving a car at his ex-girlfriend, calling for Horner to step down is wild....

[@PaddyMcMe]

Yo is all that true? The attempted murder bit too? Surely not.

[@anettebianca6855]

my thoughts exactly - he should learn from Max and shut the hell up

[@paulgerrard9227]

Its ok cause max took daniel krvats partner and child. She was in the redbull team. Its a family business for jos

[@HerrStaale]

That is called "a low blow"@@paulgerrard9227

[@paveljanda8276]

@@PaddyMcMe This was just an accusation, he was neither charged nor sued. The other ones seem legit though, the sentence is a fact, restraining order dtto.

[@edteach3r]

It is time that Max tell daddy that he is old enough to make his own decisions. Joss interfering to such an extent is just pathetic.

[@yujinnagasawa-l4l]

its unbecoming for daddy to intervene in a professional team

[@HerrStaale]

I doubt Max can controll Jos

[@MietoK]

Probably Horner has been sendings SMS to Jos

[@bjrnchrstn]

@@HerrStaaleagree, jos is a timebomb.

[@Wuppie62]

I thought so too at first, because I don't like all this tacky gossip, innuendos and boulevard press speculations, especially not around this team and the risc it might disturb the whole team and Max' season. But it happens to be so that Jos has a business based upon his son Max' success, and there's also Max' manager. They both have a direct interest in everything concerning the current and future position(s) of Max, so you can't really expect them to be just silent, passive spectators. Having said that, like most people, I have no inside knowledge about which potential issues are at play here. So I won't join the crowd gossipping, speculating and accusing. 🤷🏻‍♂️ But these type of social media fuzz and how a part of the crowd go wild as if they all have crystal ball or think they are knowledgeable psychologists, prove why there's such a big market for boulevard press tabloids.. 🙄

[@legacywatchguy8333]

Does Max have the balls to tell his old man he isnt welcome in the paddock? If Horner did something wrong, he needs to be held accountable. But if Jos just doesnt like him, he could be screwing up his own son's winning combo.

[@A.s.s.777]

Scared of being hit you know

[@space.youtube]

Jos says and does everything Max can't. If Jos didn't exist Max would have to invent him. Don't be sucked into thinking Max is just a bystander. He benefits from his father's meddling.

[@mopslikvonstein]

@@space.youtube Normally I would agree with you but how would Max benefit from Horner's scandal or from Horner leaving? Horner loves Max, he built the team around him. Max had full support to win 3 titles in a row. What could Max possibly have against Horner to want him out so much?

[@premier_leaks]

im maybe max fanboi but i would say the chance of a fight between son and father is greater that between christian and max .. Jos is agressive and can push max into unwated decisions (like quit RB ) and Max can resist to that .. assuming max isnt angry on christian already for those dickpics ..

[@space.youtube]

@@mopslikvonsteinHow has Checo been doing since Jos lamented RB didn't favour his son enough? 🤔 Seriously, if you can't see how Jos' interference has helped Max, you aren't paying attention. The story literally goes to great lengths to describe the power struggle within RBR, and yet you seem to be oblivious to the fact. The question isn't whether Horner has helped Max, it's whether he stands in the way of them (Max and Jos) having carte blanche at RBR.

[@richardhall5489]

“I decided to part ways with my dad to make decisions for myself,” Lewis said on the podcast. “There was a period where we spoke less.” However, their professional split ultimately helped to repair their father-son connection. “I really just wanted him to be my dad"

[@JimmyJinIA]

The only credit I give to Hammy.

[@parthsethia4223]

Spot on

[@angelachanellehuang5663]

Race car driving isn't what it use to be when I was a kid

[@zelig1799]

I did not know that. How come you raise a more interesting point then ANYONE in the media? What are you doing with your life and why are you not a f1 reporter?

[@richardhall5489]

@@zelig1799 Maybe you're too young to remember it, were you watching F1 in 2010? I'm definitely not an F1 expert.

[@andrewwmacfadyen6958]

Red Bull wouldn't ever have existed without Horner in the early days Horner brought in DC and DC persuaded Newey to jump ship.

[@johnnylind973]

Newey is red bull , without him they are nothing . Cristian may have talked him into joining red bull , but that dosnt make him god . Far from , he is still just a employed leader . And theres plenty of those , so no sweat if he got the boot .

[@Marcsadventure]

Imagine you’re 26 and really brilliant at your job, and your Dad comes to work with you and sits at the side and watches everything. Cos he’s retired and has nothing else to do. And your dad did the same job as you, he was decent back in the day but not nearly as good as you . And then he starts to tell your boss he should resign , in the newspapers. Because he doesn’t like your boss. Thanks a lot Dad

[@gillb9222]

Hes going to ruin Max's career

[@TurboPumperX]

Embarrassing

[@BRUTUSz]

@@gillb9222That i thought. Jos makes to much disturbance . This effect the whole team. He needs to back off and cool down.

[@gillb9222]

@@BRUTUSz I actually think he might be jealous of Max's success and be undermining it

[@JamesGriffin-u2w]

So cringeworthy and embarrassing. Just let Max get on with it he’s doing fine

[@slaphead90]

Jos has been living vicariously through his son, but now it appears he thinks it's his own life, and through his actions he is on the brink of completely ruining his son's career.

[@d.b.cooper1]

Yep hilairous how he's dragging his son into his personal beefs. Just cause he's loyal to Marko/Austrians & was also dating Horner's PA, Why is he threatening to drag his son away. Sad thing is the influence jos still has over Max. One of best bravest things Lewis did was sack his dad in his mclaren days & grow as a man himself, they later made up their relationship & Max would be better off doing his own thing imo. Partly why I think he hates staying in F1 for so long, his entourage is always involved in beef

[@Coastie49thadventures]

I had never heard of him before Max joined RB. That’s how yesterday he is.

[@robertcooper6910]

@@Coastie49thadventuresI watched him race and he wasn’t even mediocre. He was always a prick. Don’t think he had an fans tbh

[@thepolishnz]

@@Coastie49thadventures team mate of the micheal and the reason why Benetton was exposed as cheats, almost, but should have, cost micheal his first championship

[@labibmajlis6710]

ur wrong jos doesnt have his own life. i think he will start beating his wife and max's sister more. I don't want to defend horner or something but jos please STFU. Let max handle himself he is mature enough. GTFO of the paddock man. It's max's career not your. you already ended it long long ago

[@benn87]

Something tells me that Jos has something to do with the whole story.

[@nosebleedpuddle]

Oh 1000%

[@mikemelina7395]

"Something"? You mean everything. Jos has everything to do with it. The speculation is that Jos is somehow involved with the female employee.

[@mrRTvids]

haha no he doesnt, makes zero sense, all these gossip girls coming out of their caves suddenly

[@jacobitosuperstar]

@@mrRTvidsJos is that you??

[@simonb4757]

Maybe it's because he sticks out like a sore thumb on the list of recipients of the email. Why didn't Perez's dad receive the email, he's as affected by Horner's situation even if he isn't the stronger of the 2 drivers. Why Jos is the only person on the list that doesn't fall into the category of F1 official, Team Boss or Journalist. The obvious reason he is on the list is as a flimsy alibi (why would he have the email sent to himself)

[@DK-on7vb]

Jos Verstappen: "Make sure you CC me when you leak those documents!"

[@thevictoryoverhimself7298]

Jos Verstappen: Legendary advocate for the well-treatment of women

[@matthewgubbins8515]

She walked into my fist officer I promise. I did nothing

[@TVD1984]

That's putting it mildly knowing his history, history of domestic abuse, bit loose wth the fists. I'm not sure if true but I heard the lady is Jos his girlfriend. All of the sudden the leaks make sense now and him wanting Horner gone.

[@benjarsenault]

While I agree he has a frankly terrible history with women. I see this as more a reputational damage that could hurt Red Bull, and by proxy Max, as such Jos knowing how much harm even just having an accusation of this type will do wants Horner gone.

[@justincase9471]

Jos treats women equal to man. He also beat up his own father 😂

[@Powernoodle_]

And the complaining woman is not even a victim. She was a willing participant.

[@justinpharand8454]

Jos makes Horner look like a saint

[@Acosta_RC]

The bloody NERVE from Jos to call out Horny like that

[@qbi4614]

Because Jos is poking the same shela?

[@FizzbitchAu]

@@qbi4614 Jos has a history off assaulting people

[@Low_Cal_LOL_Cows]

3 time world championship Formula One drivers don't need helicopter parents.

[@dimm__]

Get Danny back into RBR if Max absolutely needs a father figure.

[@desafortunadamente...]

@@dimm__ 100 - RB wins the drivers & constructors this year with that car, regardless of who's driving it. Let Max squabble with Yuki for 11th for a while, see how long he keeps Jos as dad-a-ger.

[@seashackf1]

They don’t, but it’s also not the first time a WDC father has created problems for their son. Lewis had to fire his father and distance himself professionally from him because of things Anthony was doing many years ago.

[@olivermoriarty1603]

Really?

[@Low_Cal_LOL_Cows]

@@seashackf1 I forgot about Hamilton firing his dad as manager. I remember years ago Nascar driver Jeff Gordon did the same.

[@zachkrampien8699]

Seems like Jos is the one who needs to leave RB or else the team will “explode”

[@ppeaster]

But why does he think that? His son is in the best car and making the biggest driver salary. Isn't it strange that Jos is suddenly demanding that the team boss leaves?

[@riancastermans1607]

@@ppeaster he doesn't. British press makes those story's up.

[@benkelly2968]

Imagine Jos Verstappen taking any form of moral high ground when it comes to inappropriate Conduct 🤣

[@anettebianca6855]

exactly - roflmao

[@blackb1ade]

Best comment right here 👍

[@dane458]

Apple doesn't fall far from the tree... Like father, like son.

[@gamma9141]

Lmao!! So true! That goof

[@redspecial4102]

Jos: There's tension at Red Bull. Christian: ...whenever you are around.

[@albertusaswin2012]

True. I used to dislike Max but nowadays I dislike his dad a lot more. Max has grown up. And this is an SF tifosi speaking.

[@qbi4614]

@@albertusaswin2012 Jos is going sloppies?

[@edhagebeuk7096]

True!

[@kevingarcia6368]

Yes, even he insulted Checo trying to rebuild himself. And just adding insult to his already bad mental spiral. Very uncalled from Jos. Definitely being too strict on anyone who isn't his son Max.

[@jom4752]

No individual is bigger then the team. Red Bull is Horner/Marco. Thus if Jos is not careful he may cause Max to be dropped.

[@MOLOBUILT]

Jos Jos Jos... This is the same guy who along with his son assaulted a man in 1998 at a karting event which left him with a fractured skull. The outcome was a five year sentence which was suspended because they settled with him out of court. Then in 2008 Jos was charged with assaulting Max's mother Sophie Kumpen , but while he was ultimately cleared of that charge he was found guilty of breaching a restraining order. And then again in 2012 this very nice and cool calm Jos was reported that he had been arrested for attempted murder after allegedly driving a car at his ex-girlfriend. Id say this guy loves to stay out of trouble. lol

[@Maruman_man]

same son who assaulted ocon..it's the only way the pukes know how to communicate...someone needs to rearrange Verstappen's horrible looking mouth and teeth...

[@fatcat8495]

The same one that while being an F1 driver had the balls to take off the leader of a race while he was running P20... yeah that quality.

[@foo_watches_you8196]

The same guy who along with his son assaulted a man in 1998……. Max is 26 now, you know how old he was back then?

[@bensynewsshoedown4999]

Do you have a source for this? CH may need protection from a vengeful dad in the paddock. 😮

[@the7engine]

Underrated comment

[@frankvanderk7803]

the RB organisation should block further access of jos. He is damaging the team and his son. embarrassing team and Netherlands

[@stevendufour]

And how do you think that will go over with Max? Not well one would think. At the end of the day, Horner’s talents are replaceable and Max Verstappen is not.

[@monkey2702mw]

@@stevendufour any other driver on that grid would give anything to be in that car right now. Max is a very good driver but definitely replaceable.

[@ScharAznable]

Jos knows a bit or two about misconduct towards women tbf

[@wickywills]

He knows a thing or two about misconduct generally. He's as toxic as they come, regardless of the Horner outcome.

[@Enzoblueblood]

And Juan Pablo Montoya’ rear end.

[@bryced3832]

Only way it will explode is if they keep letting Jos around

[@livii1289]

totaly agree with you, don't now why they allow, that he can visit the padoc

[@cmfan6870]

Yup

[@cmfan6870]

@@livii1289just said this earlier. I have no idea why they allow this worthless guy so much power. He is 100 percent a major source of the issues right now. Does max insist on having him around?

[@EmmaKing30]

​@@cmfan6870he's literally the father of the best driver on the grid & the reigning world champion. His presence is critical for Max to perform

[@kstxevolution9642]

Only way it will explode is if Jos stops for a refuel

[@tonyb408]

Jos is not even a member of the team. Tell him to go sit in the grandstands.

[@ChuyR.]

That's the thing, if Max wants him there, there is nothing RB can do.

[@Andy_T79]

​@quierover4locas Yes they can!... he is employed to do a job like anyone else.... do you take your father to work with you?... any company would be like WTF you're an adult!! is he here to change your nappy and feed you a mommy's breastfeeding milk bottle! Jeez. No fan of Lewis Hamilton, but at least he had the balls to tell his dad to sling his hook and get his own life!

[@d.b.cooper1]

No but he's dating Horner's PA, or at least he was. Hence his involvement. Horner told the PA to break it off with Jos, hence he's pissed along with older stuff re Horner trying to force out Marko last year who Jos/Max like more than horner

[@red5standingby419]

@@ChuyR.What are you babbling about? RB can just tell Jos to F off and don't allow him in the paddock. If Max wants to get upset about that he can feel free. He's under contract for a very long time.

[@ChuyR.]

@@red5standingby419 why haven't they done it? It isn't the first time...

[@karleintracht4958]

Jos Verstappen is an embarrassment. He should just be relegated to the same area where Nelson Piquet sits.

[@shadywhisper8455]

You know that one dad at the Under 10 Football games that takes it way too far? Yeah, that

[@NicotineRosberg]

If someone can make a driver crash so another driver can win a race or some team can spy another & copy their car I'm confident this is someone trying to destabilize Redbull because they are so dominant now. Who? We may never know But I think it's a plot. It has to be

[@prozoomy]

Jos is a joke

[@johnpatricklim4509]

Unlike Carlos Sainz Sr. ....he's bc with the dakar.......

[@rembrandrembrand]

JOS is thinking about his son future,if horner stays and adrian newey lieves the team,his son championship wil be in danger,he knows,horner is guilty and redbull try to protect horner but doing this wil only hurt there brand,because there employees wil be victime of there bosses..

[@summerfarmestates]

Jos and max alike

[@frederickgent1918]

Jos didn't win many world championship s now let's see if he can win this one

[@d.b.cooper1]

It seems he's dating the lady who Horner was sexting. Started off as a rumour but it's heavily backed up now. What's more amazing is how women still want to be with Jos who is a known pig toward every female he's ever dated/married. Disguting.

[@Irrationalduck]

the fact that Jos is on that list of who the email was sent to is extremely suspicious, personally it feels like this entire saga is an attempt by Jos to get rid of horner because Jos cant control everything about Maxs life/career anymore

[@franch1ba_ez]

Yeah i think thats exactly what happened

[@frituurvlieg]

I don’t see how it’s ’extremely suspicious if more then 100 key figures are on that list. In the end, Jos, asshole or not, cares about one thing. The best for his son and indirectly himself. And he is not afraid to ‘sacrifice’ some people or full teams in getting that. And with this, he is not loyal by any standards (although in his f1 career teams were also not loyal to him so that might have added to this attitude). And this includes being loyal to RBR or Horner. Despite what they have done for his son in the past.

[@mrthewhite2620]

@@frituurvlieg Its suspicious because he has no actual power in F1. he's not an employee of anyone of significance he's just the dad of a driver.

[@eddiewynne691]

Everywhere that man has been as a driver or otherwise he has caused nothing but trouble for any & all he was working with.

[@NtrnStrBlckHlDrkMttrNEnrgy]

Bet you guys are Lulu fans believing whatever the media says 😢

[@cheeheifoo9282]

My only memory of Jos Verstappen as a F1 driver is running into the back of Juan Pablo Montoya while JPM was lapping him

[@hb1338]

I remember his car catching fire in the pits. He later claimed that he put out his cigarette before he came in.

[@JohnSmith-ki2hl]

Funny; I thought at first your memory was when you were an F1 Driver LOL

[@cidiracing7481]

With all the supposed "insider information" that Dutch media reported about the whole situation previously, it smells of Jos having his hands in all of that. Maybe he thinks if he gets rid of Horner and he can somehow gain power within RBR.

[@thetruebatman4632]

This sounds pretty likely actually!

[@T0NYMANUEL]

I think u might be onto something

[@mordor1779]

Right it's funny how during all this situation it's ALWAYS been dutch media who report first on it

[@mewdawn917]

It's all about protecting Max's future championships. Right now Horner and Helmut control who gets the second seat. I think Jo's and maybe even Marko want to have 100% control over the decision who get's into the second fastest car, especially with Horner making it clear that he would bring Back Daniel, who was so far the only one who could beat verstappen back in the day when they raced together. Maybe it's a stretch, but totally believable to me.

[@SwissDog1231]

If Horner gets booted because Jos the team won’t like that. I see a lot of people bailing if he gets ousted…mainly Adrian

[@jorismak]

The fact that this all started with something in 'De Telegraaf', and that nobody in The Netherlands takes 'De Telegraaf' serious as a newspaper (it's more like The Sun in the UK). If somebody goes shopping with a story that doesn't have enough proof to print it, De Telegraaf is the one you can count on to print it without fact checking...

[@tea3154]

The other source, the Daily Mail, also very much has this reputation in the UK (same as the Sun)

[@fatcat8495]

also the ones trying to amplify the fake crap from Jos are the ones on F1 Insider who also got access to the paddock.

[@saycero]

So why does Horner look totally guilty?

[@YUDNSAY]

@@saycero Look harder, your perspective could be influenced by those who seek division....

[@teamknightbot]

@@saycero looks totally innocent for most of us

[@AndrewTSq]

Is Jos the right person to have any say in these things? I mean.. just look at all things he has been sentenced for.

[@eddie5680]

But…but..he made Max Verstappen!! So he has a say!!!!

[@fredyfudpucker935]

@@eddie5680 He is living his life through his son, after a less than stela F1 career

[@alrplaylist1]

Mercedes or any other team considering taking Max will have to consider very carefully how to manage Jos. I wouldn't be surprised if internal pressures from Jos end up with Max (sooner or later) retiring and moving to racing WEC or anything else to stay away from toxic Jos. Max loves racing, and Jos' behaviour, sadly, damages his image.

[@jackdominiak445]

All Max has to do is side line Joss unless he falls into line and stops sh.t stirring. Time to show whether you're a man or your fathers puppet Max!

[@valerierodger]

@@jackdominiak445Jos is and has always been abusive, and like any abuser, he wields an incomprehensible level of power within the relationship. Add to that, Max genuinely believes that he owes his success to Jos, that he wouldn’t be where he is if Jos hadn’t dedicated so much to his racing

[@lunascomments3024]

​​@@valerierodger I believe max owes his father his connection so max could get into his current position.

[@hb1338]

@@lunascomments3024 You may be right, but at some point Max has to choose whether or not to lead his own life. It's worth remembering that Hamilton ditched his own father when the latter started to interfere too much.

[@mrrolandlawrence]

Toto can’t loose. A friendly chat can start many destructive rumours lol. Horner protested every single Mercedes innovation. Now the others turn.

[@q3aryoko]

Problem is, Jos should not wield any Influence in the team, so if he does as you say, then he is the first that should go even before Horner.

[@philsurtees]

Right, so, your suggestion for resolving the issue is to anger the best driver in the world right now by getting rid of his father - an irreplaceable person - and not the guy who started the whole mess and could be replaced in a hot minutes? Not the fastest engine in the garage, are you?

[@Vracka]

​​@@philsurteeshow can Horner be replaced in a hot minute? Matteschitz gave Horner the freedom to construct RBR as it is today. Horner made RBR from a small team to the multibillion dollar behemoth, that it is today. Its the reason Adrian Newey works for them, as many other talented people who admire Horners leadership and want to work for Red Bull in long term. To destabilise Horner at all is the dumbest thing that anybody could ever do to RBR as a team, as it would always threat their success. Also: he wants to ban Jos, not unalive and bury. There is no need to replace Jos and Max should be old enough to drive even if daddy watches his race in TV and not in the paddock. Max might even be clever enough to see what his father does and that it might hurt his own agenda even more. Let's be real here: if max leaves RB for Mercedes, he may not be able to win a title until 26, maybe even never again. He won't get that much influence as he got in RBR, coz everybody would know the lose gun Jos will come with him.

[@philsurtees]

@@Vracka I see you're another slow car at the back the grid!

[@schwarzpm]

It must be so embarrassing having your dad constantly turn up at your work and bad mouth your boss to anyone that'll listen.

[@Jhnmatz]

Jos is just putting Max at risk.

[@AQCE245]

​@BYTMedia23 I'm almost certain that if horner stays max farther will pull max out of redbull

[@alexwade9921]

@@AQCE245 - That’s ok. They can still win with other drivers. Give Liam Lawson a go.

[@NtrnStrBlckHlDrkMttrNEnrgy]

Stop listening to lame stream media who are trying to sow discord between Rb cause others can't ein 😢

[@Formaldehydex]

Max is all in favor of having his dad do exactly what he has been doing all along. If this was not the case, Jos would have been either silenced or booted long ago.

[@neyotan1]

Christian should go ahead and ban Jos from accessing RB paddock. I’m leaning more and more towards believing that Christian is innocent and Jos is just trying to get him fired because he’s somehow calculating that he’ll eventually be the TP or one of the main decision makers for the racing operation once Christian is ousted. I think Max should also stand up to his dad and tell him to shut up if he doesn’t want Christian gone. I can’t think of any reason why he would want that.

[@rocksteady2263]

I don't even think it's a ply for a position so much as Horner is one of Jos' biggest detractors. IIRC Horner has openly said he feels Jos is a bad influence on Max and that race weekends go smoother when he's not there.

[@capo_di_capi]

I dont believe this has anything to do with Jos, this is the UK Press trying to get clicks, which is why I do not subscribe to this crap.

[@debi8494]

In a perfect world, I would love to see Max just screw over Jos and Horner, and sabotage his own races, by engaging in some actual competitive racing with others on the grid, showing some character and integrity, and let someone else win,… thus putting all fans of racing in F1, out of our misery!😮😳👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🙏🏻👩🏻‍🦰💜🐑🐏

[@PaddyMcMe]

If you think he's innocent read the texts, he's clearly flirting with the girl and she clearly tries to put him off in a couple of them. Horner didn't do anything monstrous don't get me wrong, he was just an overbearing flirt which given the power dynamic can be construed as manipulative, I don't think he did anything terrible but he ain't innocent.

[@PaddyMcMe]

@@debi8494 That's a very weird take.

[@crystaldragon141]

Sounds like the problem is Jos not Christian. He seems to have gotten too big of a head. The problem is with these anonymous leaks is that you could generate all of that with AI. I agree with Christian taking a stand after he apparently fully cooperated with the head companies investigation.

[@andrewfulton3435]

Why on earth would you use AI to make fake WhatsApp messages? You’re underestimating the power of MS Paint!! 😂

[@illbeV.]

AI 😂 please! Those are legit texts, no one who's worth their salt is disputing that. I personally don't think they warrant Horner being fired though

[@philbear21]

⁠@@illbeV.they’re legitimate because you say so? Sorry, but anyone worth their salt understands those texts, or more accurately, photos of texts, could be made by a third grader, and several reputable people have said they didn’t trust that they were genuine. Jos is using this as a power play and his twin brother Zach Brown is using it to try to disrupt Red Bull because his team can’t compete on track. Toto was doing the same, but now has his own fire to put out. Most people are saying they want transparency in the process, but slick back Zack wants to be a part of the process, partly because he’s largely irrelevant and mostly because he knows they can’t catch Red Bull on track, so the only option he has is to hope they self destruct. Sorry to rant, I know some of that was off topic but I just watched another TP presser with a fat man in Orange saying the word transparency forty seven times. I think he wants to meet whoever made the sa accusations and conduct his own investigation into Horners underwear drawer. God I hate that guy. He’s a bigger tattle tail than Russell and whines more than LH on half used tires. Why did he have to be American? So ashamed.

[@martinkrpan123]

Jos living his life through Max..

[@MalcolmTann0]

Max was bred to drive cars

[@sportkiteflyer]

I’ve never really thought Max has wanted all this. We may learn someday that he didn’t.

[@SuperAsian78]

No shit..!!!

[@519achilles]

Do you confuse Max with Lewis or Esteban? Jos was always a very reach man and he built Max from a little kid

[@yhelloh]

You mean Max is living his life through Jos. He should have never been involved in his life after leaving Max at a gas station as a child. The man needs serious mental treatment.

[@davidlaos]

Jos Verstappen is an absolutely oudious figure, this is the same guy who refused to celebrate a Perez victory. Horner has been at it for a long time, working his way up, and now that Dietrick Mateschitz is gone, you will unfortunately start to see these narcissistic morons trying their best to undermine the organisation structure they have never even built. So good luck to Horner.

[@Banyo__]

I'm no Jos Verstappen fan, but him not celebrating Checo's victory has long been debunked with literal video evidence of him congratulating Perez seconds after that infamous camera shot of him with his classic Jos RBF. Basically if Newey ever decided to jump ship, I think Max would jump with, but Max isn't leaving the winning team even if Horner is there and has potentially done something wrong---still no details, so I'm not pointing fingers this way or that, just yet, but where is he going to go now in reality....he's not joining Ferrari now with Hamilton, Mercedes still sucks, and those are the only options. r

[@flyaway6671]

I read about the way he treated Max as a kid just to push him to become a great driver so he can selfishly live through Max to become a champion. He was lucky Max turned out ok and doesn't have huge personality flaws.

[@MuhammadNiz007]

Yes a victory that was won by deliberately crashing. I hate Max but I envy the Max camp

[@teabagtowers3823]

​@@flyaway6671 I'm fairly sure Max has some personality flaws although at least they're not as severe as Jos’s personality issues. That and at least with Max you can explain them a bit as he had an absolute nutcase of a father called Jos.

[@AntisnakeYT]

@@MuhammadNiz007 LOL delulu, how come max was never acting like this in carting, renault racing f3 or early days of f1? it was only towards "lewis" and lewis has a history of toxic behavoir on track and in garage towards his teammates but you dont want to talk about that? perhaps its not max but delulus playing the victim here?

[@HiArnav]

RedBull is what it is today BECAUSE of Horner, kicking him out will quite literally be the end of the team in a way.

[@993mike]

Absolutely! Would anybody out there want to be unjustly kicked out of their job with unproven accusations? No - I didn’t think so.

[@3storiesUp]

:D .. you're funny ... you ever hear of Adrian Newey ..

[@HiArnav]

@@3storiesUp does Adrian Newey handle the team ? No, just like each member has their own role.

[@anydaynow01]

@@3storiesUpI know right, their cars would be nowhere near the front if it weren't for Newey. Horner just has to make sure Newey gets his checks and keep the toxic cut throat team atmosphere going, nothing special about his leadership style.

[@oonmm]

​@@3storiesUpWhat about him?

[@georgythomas8451]

Helmut Marko has been surpringly quiet

[@jamesmcgee157]

Good. Hes a toxic old man that has very little of worth to say about anything

[@jackdominiak445]

He's most likely the main instigator, that's why.....using Joss as his lose cannon

[@anydaynow01]

He'll be here all night folks! 😆

[@davidhale8034]

One silver lining!!!

[@UA-dr6nd]

more like nobody cares about whatever he says anymore after his remarks on perez

[@Franky46Boy]

What you should know about Jos Verstappen: In January 2009, Jos was sentenced by the court in Tongeren, Belgium, to 3 months' probation and a 1,650 euro fine for assaulting his then wife. The driver did this by sending her text messages with threatening undertones between May 2007 and April 2008.

[@mrRTvids]

At least he is not a pervert like Horner haha

[@Franky46Boy]

@@mrRTvids This assumption is based on what?

[@ezmaze42]

​@@mrRTvids he left Max at a gas station when he was a child. You're defending someone who doesn't care about your favorite driver

[@mrRTvids]

@@Franky46Boy Leaked convos, why are you acting like a dummy?

[@mrRTvids]

@@ezmaze42 I dont care what Jos parenting methods were, non of my business, at least he is not a perv

[@Ticklestein]

Why the heck would we ever take moral lessons from Jos effing Verstappen. His rep sheet is longer than a new roll of toilet paper

[@JimmyJinIA]

Jos IS the brown print on that paper...😅

[@kstxevolution9642]

You cant deny that Jos was a fiery driver. Especially in Germany 1994

[@realmcerono]

Why would you support Horner after proof of sexual harassment?

[@petiertje]

@@kstxevolution9642 Perhaps a good driver, a person with some bad attitude at times too though.

[@petiertje]

@@realmcerono 'screenshots' are not proof, whatever was 'leaked' is quite easy to fabricate. Why would someone leak 'proof' right after Horner was cleared of all charges and with such questionable 'proof' too. This stinks more than those allegations by now.

[@kaceydillin7367]

Horner needs to put Jos in check.

[@yougotkained]

By sexting more girls in the team?

[@MinisterManDan]

Well the last time he tried that he got all his personal life put on blast so maybe he should have used more tact

[@wraitheful]

Max needs to put Jos in check, like Lewis had to.

[@realmcerono]

Well he did, told him to stop dating his PA Fiona... you see the mess now because Horner is the Perpetrator, not Jos.

[@MinisterManDan]

@@wraitheful think it’s kind of ludicrous to not realize that at this point Jos is doing what Max wants in a good cop/bad cop relationship

[@paulgerrard9227]

Imagine your dad talking to media and trashing your employer.

[@jamesmcgee157]

Imagine your employer carrying out a disciplinary hearing in the press

[@valerierodger]

@@jamesmcgee157they didn’t.

[@paunixon]

Jos's girlfriend was Horner's PA. Horner told her to stop seeing him. Jos's girlfriend reports Horner. Jos is adds fuel to the fire. Red Bull should ban Jos from the RB factory, team. Max needs to make a choice, as Hamilton did.

[@seashackf1]

Yes exactly. I’m not sure many of these new fans know anything about the problems Anthony caused for Lewis and he had to distance himself business wis from his father.

[@temp5782]

Max is very loyal to his father. Very loyal. As his father is to him.

[@MrAobrady]

Who is she?

[@soundscape26]

It's not that I don't believe that could happen but a credible source would be appreciated.

[@sensibledriver933]

Brilliant job dragging Hamilton into this. You seriously comparing Lewis's dad to Max's?

[@becauseimbatman1108]

Ban Jos from the garage at every race. He can go sit in the vip area and sulk there.

[@RFord2]

Yes!

[@scottme100]

Everyone's suddenly a RB politics expert, but chances are Jos is a primary aggitator and may have allies in Austria because Horner advocates a fair and balanced comp between drivers, whereas Daddy wants total priority to be given to boy wonder and is maybe taking the opportunity to land a greater management role within the team. If you follow the smoke, you would likely see fire coming from near Jos's place.

[@dancri4694]

…bang on.. since Perez at Monaco and having a cow (when it was impossible to swap).…followed that Jos doesn’t want Ricciardo back in the main team, Horner focuses on the ‘team’ and Jos wants priority… But there is more to it…outside of racing

[@mike_r4150]

For crying out loud what a bunch of bullshit you produce.

[@SPiTFiRE_JiMMY]

Yeah he’s the Lavar Ball of racing. But the only problem is Lavar’s kids are dispensable and he can ruin his sons chances at playing for a good team, where as red bull as a whole has to put up with this retard jos because max is the main guy in racing that everyone wants and now everyone is trying to get Horner screwed over so that max ends up leaving red bull. I bet Toto is salivating at the chops rn. 🤣

[@bjrnchrstn]

Sure dude…. Max doesn’t care who is next to him. Just give him the car and he will go fast.

[@Coolbreeze0988]

As long as the team has Adrian and a maximized budget, everyone else is interchangeable.

[@johanhough7341]

Jos has some serios main character syndrome.

[@erikkievith8635]

Always has...Even in his time in F1

[@seb9940]

As a Dutchy im so fed up with Jos Verstappen. The first years he supported Max in a good way but the last 3 years he is nothing more then a dad having a platform it shouldnt have. Without Max its just a guy with anger issues at best..

[@marcelw6827]

Helemaal mee eens. Het is daarnaast een rancuneuze ego tripper.

[@Matthew-zv8qe]

He seems like a piece of work a abusive person. I feel for max even as an adult having to deal with this shit.

[@neXib]

You can tell that Jos beats his family after looking at him for 5 seconds

[@nj1255]

Jos shouldn't have anything to do with anything at RBR or F1 as a whole. He's toxic af.

[@dane458]

Apple doesn't fall far from the tree... Like father, like son.

[@armature476]

Imagine if Redbull splits into two and they decide to keep one team each, RB and Redbull. And then we have this story of intense rivalry.

[@NYSNYSNYS]

The Dassler brothers. Adidas & Puma. 😂

[@MickOxlong1]

Sounds like Jos is over stepping the mark. He's looking more like the villain in this situation...

[@ActuallyJamesS]

Jos and Horner have both always been villains. I'm honestly surprised Max isn't a complete psycho when these are the male role models (even his girlfriend's dad is an awful person). Best environment for Max would be if both Jos and Horner gave him some space.

[@MoyosoreOgunbiyi]

Only thing that smells fishy to me is that MV's dad is trying to throw his weight around on an internal team issue (of which he is neither a staff nor race team executive) that has nothing to do with him. Unless I'm missing something...? 🤷

[@MikeSwannick]

Any 14 yr old with 2 phones could generate these screenshots.

[@ShortnSweets2s]

Lol if someone had faked it ...they should have made it convincing

[@VicCross]

@@ShortnSweets2sexcept they don’t need to. Damage is done regardless of what is and isn’t true. Thats the biggest issue here, the “truth” will likely never be known.

[@ShortnSweets2s]

@@VicCross so they worked so hard to get the rugby match scores right but couldn't hire someone to right in correct english

[@Gfw36026]

@@ShortnSweets2swrite* 👀

[@NicolaChiriac]

it’s been days and they haven’t denied the screenshots or outright said they are fake. makes you wonder why that is

[@spencera3075]

Funny. I have to deal with parents like this on my kid’s travel team too. 😂

[@heidelbergaren5054]

This guy isn’t even an employee

[@grandtourbear9497]

Christian has probably been more of a dad to Max than his own father.

[@nickking7375]

No, it is Dr. Marko.

[@thatfunnykekguy6377]

All all the struggles made the Man Max is. Curious isn't it? Hard times make Men, soft times make men, less men.

[@krexci2966]

​@@thatfunnykekguy6377what an old view on things, you fossil

[@grandtourbear9497]

@@thatfunnykekguy6377 let’s call them challenges. Growing up doing something you love with plenty of money and a prick of a dad, is a challenge.

[@samsantana]

@@thatfunnykekguy6377 Max isn't a man, a man would have the guts to stand up to his helicopter dad, thank him for whatever he did to get Max to a position where he could prove himself and tell him to move on.

[@talmorris3740]

The only thing I can think of is Jos wants Horner’s job, lol

[@roberthak3695]

The woman, former PA of Horner, is now the gf of Jos Verstappen. She made the complaint against Horner. ...

[@eco_logic]

@@roberthak3695 do you have a source for this or did you just hear this somewhere in the comments?

[@wickywills]

Yep, it's an obvious power play in my view.

[@endlessgaslight]

@@roberthak3695 source?

[@roberthak3695]

better source that "The Race". Choose your pick @@eco_logic

[@Faze-2]

I think we should all be happy that Jos is using his words instead of his fist like he normally does

[@wickywills]

It's a power play. Plain and simple. Jos wants complete control of Red Bull.

[@contrnsmagnificndjoobngtaint]

he just wants to be a nikki lauda type worshipped figure

[@deana8052]

from talent scout to team principle, thats a bit far fetched. His dad is just a really bad person. Nothing more nothing less.

[@ppeaster]

Or maybe he is more involved in the scandal at a personal level.

[@valconir1619]

That email should be traced by digital forensic team, sending it out like that was clear attempt of defamation

[@Phantom096]

Could put Jos back in Jail.

[@valconir1619]

it's not him but someone in the camp RB which Jos aligned with@@Phantom096

[@Lukeywoodsey]

It came from a red bull email address

[@maciej6293]

@@Lukeywoodsey No it didn't. It came from a Gmail address.

[@shaggydoggs]

Is it defamation if it’s true?

[@talmorris3740]

Why is Jos being so hard headed about this when Horner was and is pivotal to Max’s success?

[@SPiTFiRE_JiMMY]

Makes you wonder doesn’t it. I can almost say with confidence that Mercedes has something to do with all this and they are trying to drive a wedge between max and red bull so that max goes to Mercedes.. Toto is probably offering an enormous fat check to Jos for doing what he’s doing rn to make that happen. Because does Mercedes never want to have another cup again? Obviously they don’t. They will do anything literally to have a No. 1 driver again since Lewis is basically gone and almost retired and red bull will be winners for the next decade for sure with max there. Toto is that guy to set a plan like this in motion cuz he hates Christian with a passion. So let that sink in…. 😆

[@mrthewhite2620]

because he cares more about control than sucess. he lost control of Max career years ago cause he wasn't fit for the job and now he's bellowing from the sidelines, jealous of the guy who actually does have some control over Max career.

[@JonesyTerp1]

Because his F1 career was mediocre, he was a frustrated angry guy from all accounts. (His history of violence is documented) So he dedicated the last 20 or so years to turning his son into, what max himself called, “Verstappen 2.0” Yet all of it was still, for Jos, was mostly about Jos. It was him trying to erase his own failures. But even now, when the kid has become who Jos always wanted him to be, Jos can’t escape who he was, and still is, and that self hatred is killing him. This isn’t a new story. It’s fathers and sons and has been a source of inspiration for stories and parables since the damned ancient Greeks.

[@kevinpi7488]

@@SPiTFiRE_JiMMY That’s too elaborate for even Toto, let alone Jos that has intelectual abilities of a Rock, and even then the Rock would be smarter, I’d say he got offered a high management position in the team if he helped getting Horner out. Aside from that I don’t think toto is even capable of doing such a low Dirty move, hell, if he was that dirty he would have gone to court for the 2021 championship ending, aside from that, this controversy hurts his business side as well, hence everyone is so eager for red bull to end this.

[@YawnMK1]

​@@JonesyTerp1wow hold on i totally disagree: The Greeks were *not* damned!. The rest of your post sounds very plausible, however

[@wunkskorks2623]

Joss, like everyone with any real juice in RBR, is jockeying for a shot at running the show. Mateschitz left no marching orders for the company moving forward. Ego is a helluva drug.

[@Redlingstein]

Dietrich DID organise everything for after his death actually….. but that doesn’t mean that ppl like what Dietrich arranged…

[@The_Lost_Subrosian]

Chrisian can ban Jos from the Red Bull Garage, all Jos can do is complain.

[@d.b.cooper1]

He wouldn't dare to do that imo. Horner just doesn't have the power even if 51% backs him, they wouldn't piss off Max

[@AndreasScheller-pv1eu]

And than adios worldchampion verstappen

[@barksnbo3625]

@@d.b.cooper1Max should be put in that position… the tail doesn’t wag the dog…. There’s a dozen drivers that could win in his car… he’s a fool if he thinks he can walk into another winning team at the drop of a hat. You don’t bite the hand that feeds you…

[@MaikNL]

@@barksnbo3625 Max would win in Ferrari too. The RB is a hard car to drive, look at Perez.

[@d.b.cooper1]

@@barksnbo3625 Disagree. Max holds all the power. Redbull want to win at all costs with the best driver, even Horner admits & would tolerate that. Until this blew up, Max/his camp were the perfect fit for Redbull and their culture which is generally a 'we don't care win at all costs' attitude inspired by mastersitz who tutoruted Horner. Max ain't going anywhere

[@MrDoncarnage]

Jos was the worst F1 driver 20 years ago, was involved in 80% of crashes and caused so many problems back then, he was basically Mazepin of that era…and he cant stand the fact Max is famous yet he was so poor so his ego is showing, he cant coop with being overshadowed

[@fredjames9867]

yer it a dad living his life through his son

[@nilsnilsnilsify]

We didn't call him Jos Vercrash'em for nothing...

[@MrDoncarnage]

Jos: 106 starts, 17 points, 2 podiums ( probably a matrix glitch ) Me: go home and watch some Mazepin

[@maartenj.vermeulen900]

No, he definitely wasn't the worst driver, you should get your stats right mate. To compare him with Mazepin is truly ridiculous. Jos Verstappen had seome tealent but only in his first season wth Benetton he could show something, but he was too eager that season and made a few silly mistakes. After Benetton he only was driving for minor teams. But everybody will remember the rain races in Canada in the Arrows and the rain race of Malaysia in 2001 where he passed 12 cars in the first lap from P18 to P6, moved forward to P2 but unfortunately ended up on a dry circuit and then the Arrows was not good enough and he ended P7 just outside the points.

[@fkfakemusic3172]

he was the Mazepin of back then!

[@yebwulebdullah]

Is everyone playing world police now? This was an internal complaint, and an internal investigation in a private company. No one is owed shit

[@merlin51h84]

That is the correct call. Has nothing to do with anyone outside of Red Bull.

[@ind-tamilgangsters1956]

Yea abuse and harassment is private. You can like boots but this some other level fan following 😮

[@fhoenixx5185]

Tell that to pr and marketing teams, sponsors, partners, brand pr consultancy teams, and that there product racing on track with a team is a very public sporting event. The person going after Horner wants as much public exposure 😂 your comment is quite weird

[@ISirSmoke]

@@ind-tamilgangsters1956 where was this abuse and harassment ?

[@Hazemann]

I loved this drama 😁. I want RedBull not dominating again this year race ❤❤❤. Verstappen families vs Honner FIGHT 🔥

[@nfc14g]

Irony is if it's a behaviour / conduct issue, it's not a playground Jos wants light on himself for. I'd like to see a vid summarising some of his finer moments over the years.

[@rocarroll1533]

😊Its about time RB stood up to jos 8:29 and tell him to f off,he dont own the team Max should do the same,hes not a kid any more

[@ralphaverill2001]

If Joe Verstappen thinks Christian Horner has nothing to do with his son's success, or that Horner is somehow holding him back, let him take his son to any other F! team and see how well he does. I'm sure Williams would be glad to have him. It's time to step back, Dad. Your son is a grown man now, and capable of standing on his own two feet.

[@justanaverageguy1351]

I truly suspect Jos is the leak here. I also believe he's seeking some sort of authority within the team, which he'll then use to favour Max.

[@Dispatch4131]

Yeah, i think he added himself to the email list so he could say "it was sent to me too why would i email myself" like a retard.

[@horiavelciu31]

but what I don't get is for what end? Max is always favoured by the team. Everything at RedBull is built around him, what more is there to gain for Max?

[@nicomeier8098]

@@horiavelciu31 I think it's about the unfulfilled expectations Jos had about himself as an F1 driver.

[@tonykennedy8483]

@@horiavelciu31 I think Jos thinks Max isn't actually favoured enough, Christian will have stood up to him at times, and who knows what's gone on behind the scenes, Jos is the obvious candidate for the source

[@Mr_JoeySan]

I see Jos wanting a position like how Lauda was with Mercedes.

[@scottmeredith3359]

It amazes me that more people haven’t figured out that sending all that stuff to 100 people after the investigation cleared him is a definitive sign this was a hit job.

[@dwilliams6346]

Exactly, and one of them being Jos Verstappen. It's like seeing it was sent to 100x F1 personnel, and Mr Smith the Greengrocer.

[@maniackolder]

I dont understand how the Verstappen's have so much power at RB. Newey is the most important man there as 80% of the field would be champion in his car.

[@mrthewhite2620]

Just because Jos is loud, doesn't mean he's got power. Any 3x world champion is going to have some power but I don't see Max throwing any weight around on this issue. seems like he doesn't want to be involved.

[@anydaynow01]

Yep they can always find another toxic punk to run RB, and the field is filled with driving talent, but they can't find a replacement for Newey, especially since his heir apparent went to AM!

[@hb1338]

@@mrthewhite2620 Max knows that if push comes to shove, Horner is likely to ditch him in order to keep at least one of him (Horner) and Newey in the company.

[@SKNZ2727]

How much of this has to do with Horner possibly pushing for a young fast teammate for Max in 2025. I wouldn't trust Jos with his history and also his motives.

[@AravindhDeiva]

I like this take, but highly unlikely 😅

[@LouSassol69er]

I'd say likely. He's probably pushing to keep Perez in place so Max has no competition within Redbull.

[@AravindhDeiva]

@@LouSassol69er as in Jos?

[@LouSassol69er]

@@AravindhDeiva yeah. Of course he doesn't want his son to have any competition.

[@AravindhDeiva]

@@LouSassol69er literally everyone else thinks that he'll destroy Alonso or Ham from current grid let alone any other driver 😂. Anyways Jo's seems to be having his own value system. Let's wait and watch this unfold. But I feel sad for Horner though

[@mauros742]

Big move from Horner: send both Verstappen's to f.off and hire Sainz instead. Red bull will keep dominating in a much more relaxed environment.

[@philcrowley]

Sainz and Alonso to Red Bull? We can dream...

[@daviddempsey7961]

*snap* 9 hours before me

[@mamavswild]

Why? Max hasn’t done anything Lewis.

[@mauros742]

the fact he doesnt take a position asking the father to watch the race from the grandstand, contributes in poisoning the environment... my opinion.@@mamavswild

[@Verziroo]

Red Bull wouldn’t keep dominating, Max puts them to that level. We all saw how poor Perez was last season in comparison.

[@birddogz545]

Imagine having your dad show up to your place of work and talk shit about your boss. Max needs to tell his dad to STFU.

[@craiglewis5663]

No way I would let a driver and his father run my organization.

[@lucee2261]

It's not just him - the Austrians want shut of him & he's one of their foot soldiers. He's regarded as something of a toff & they don't like him.

[@gwgammell]

Lawrence Stroll has entered the chat…

[@scotty8190]

@@gwgammell🤣

[@d.b.cooper1]

Yep, even Anthony Hamilton knew his place & never did anything wild. Even then Hamilton sacked him cause he wanted his dad back & didn't want everything to be business, took few years but they recovered their relationship to be better than ever. Max should do the same. Sadly Max worships his dad it seems & is too loyal even if his entourage has been shady af for yers, but Max seems to be like that management structure/style as it's similar to his style on track.

[@DigbyOdel-et3xx]

Agreed.

[@tirlamont]

Why Marko is quiet?

[@davidhale8034]

Just praise the heavens and enjoy it.

[@charliecolin2326]

I didn’t know Jos Verstappen worked for Red Bull..

[@Thermalions]

Jos thinks Red Bull works for him.

[@thatfunnykekguy6377]

@@Thermalions In Soviet Russia ...

[@nicomeier8098]

Jos Verstappen should mind his own business and stay out of it. HE's a hot head with a very shady past involving lots of violence so he's the last person to have a say in any of this. BTW Anytime someone chooses to not go to the authorities but to the media in an attempt to ruin someone's reputation I'm very suspicious.

[@philgardiner445]

The title of this video is misleading. "The Race" did nothing to explain the escalation of the Horner crisis.

[@gronksteady]

Jos calling out Horner after the Red Bull investigation concluded is most certainly an escalation of events surrounding Horner.

[@TonyODonnell]

it all started when Checo won Monaco 2022 and Jos Verstappen was furious, and believed that Max should have won demanding that Red Bull limit Checo to a No. 2 driver,

[@anydaynow01]

You're not wrong there, that was the mysterious start to Checo having "problems" with his car so he essentially quiet quit the team Botas style in protest. They had to bring in Danny Ric as a threat to get Perez to tow the company line again.

[@JE-dr6gw]

This was that time when Jos Verstappen complained when Perez won and Horner replied, "This is Red Bull Racing, not Verstappen Racing".

[@Redlingstein]

Nope. It started when Dietrich, the REAL RB BOSS died…..from that moment everyone wanted the power…

[@Redlingstein]

@@anydaynow01😂😂😂Checo crashed on purpose….. and you claim it was arranged 😂😂😂

[@Redlingstein]

@@anydaynow01the problem in Checo’s car was Checo crashing it in Quali’s and during overtakes, Checo getting zillion of track limits in Austria and Qatar…. The one in the seat with the steering in his hand did that…on track… Stop being so deluded 😂

[@ThunderApache]

1. Was there something really incriminating in the documents, if at all they were real? 2. Why the woman did not filed a complaint with the law enforcement, if it is that serious why is she stopping short of going the legal way?

[@realmcerono]

They are real, I got them and I tested them for AI manipulation. Its sexual harassment and thats not illegal - only reprehensible...

[@marcovalk7845]

​@@realmceronorofl, you 'tested' them.... I'm convinced!

[@realmcerono]

@@marcovalk7845 for real...

[@alexwade9921]

The messages disclosed are clearly only one side of a conversation in which she was reciprocating. Horner was probably shagging her, but that’s not a crime. Her trying to extort a promotion out of him is.

[@eshelly4205]

Max needs to tell his father to stop. Max isn’t racing go carts as an 8 year old. He is an adult.

[@cerseitt2tf]

As a mercedes fan this is fucking gold 😂😂😂😂😂

[@kissgergo5202]

8:16 anything coming from Jos hardly constitutes as 'friendly' fire

[@oscarjaviermoramtz.7914]

Jos is a TOXIC presence at RB, nobody is bigger than a team and nobody is indispensable. The only ones to decide what to do is RB parent company and if in the end they decide that Horner stays because of a "not guilty" outcome, then the Verstappens are free to go anywhere to try to control a racing team. Now I uderstand why Checo Pérez finished last season too far from Max.

[@Redlingstein]

😂 Jos made Checo crash you mean? Deluded much 😂😂😂😂

[@MuhammadNiz007]

3 months later this they have lost 33 engineers and Adrian Newye and are now struggling to be fastest car

[@dtoften]

This has been reviewed internally. If accuser is not satisfied, she can petition to the government authorities for resolution. These emails and pictures are not verified. That pretty much sums of the facts that we know. As for Jos daddy, he has a known background which questions his reliability of telling the truth. He sees only one aspect of Red Bull's operation so to say that this is breaking up or bringing in turmoil inside Red Bull is all speculation. If Jos can pry Max away from Red Bull, so be it. I would rather the management calls the shots than some prima donna to control a team.

[@WiseGuy02]

Jos is going to ruin things for Max and Red bull. He still thinks he's the jos the boss. He needs to be banned from the red bull garage and factory.

[@garthbrook3557]

Seems to me the leaker is a very well organised leaker. Makes you wonder? Also I think Max can fight his own battles. But "father" seemss to think differently.

[@janjurk9232]

Jos Verstappen, also known as gravel-Jos, because of his love of the side of the track rather than the track itself, is killing the career of his son prematurely purely with his presence. A good parent protects and guides his child IN THE BACKGROUND.

[@blackgirlsrock264]

You said good parent which automatically excludes narcissistic Jos! 🤣

[@BKKLB]

Crazy that Jos is leading the way considering his history.

[@Merkaba954]

why does this feel like a power grab to me??

[@s13kuminachu]

Hot take, Jos paid an employee to make the allegations toward Horner.

[@anettebianca6855]

backed by Toto and Bacon-roll Zak

[@jamesmcgee157]

@@anettebianca6855 I am not sure that that bit is true, but I would bet a few quid that Jos is behind it all

[@lisashelton5468]

He was cleared by an independent investigation. Also, she still wanted to go to the race in Bahrain to support the team right after all of this came out. Hmmmmm. I think she probably really wanted Horner bc who with eyeballs would pick Jos over Horner. As for if I were boss Red Bull, I would do exactly what they did and after investigation, and then she would be removed. Her comments were pretty inappropriate.

[@lisashelton5468]

Also, he married a spice girl. His wife is gorgeous.

[@f.kieranfinney457]

What more could Jos want? And who does he back for TP, himself? They should never have let him into the garage.

[@samsantana]

Jos the helicopter parent. Max lacks the balls to tell Daddy to mind his own business.

[@gringostarr69]

Most of people at that age are independent, but Max seems to be grabbing his daddys arm all the time. Wouldn't wonder if Jos was doing Kelly too

[@blackgirlsrock264]

@@gringostarr69That’s a really good thought!🤔🤔

[@Redlingstein]

@@gringostarr69oh boy Max is really filling your mind with hate 😂😂😂

[@gringostarr69]

@@Redlingstein Not Max, he is a byproduct of his father and he is what he is, but I can't stand Jos. I have seen Jos taking his first podium (with luck) in F1 live, when Brundle had an engine failure on the last lap at hungaroring 1994. Actually my first live gp and I was there with my dad rooting my countrymen Häkkinen and Lehto. World back then had no internet and news travelled not as fast we were travelling 1,5 months in car through Europe like we did every summer. It was a bummer to see that neither of them were on the grid. From JJ it was quite sure he wouldn't drive, but had no idea that Mika had a race ban. Got sit in "his" car at shell station close to the circuit (a show car undoubtly), so still unforgettable memory. Sorry for going to memory-lane :D Jos has shown his colours so many times and he is arrogant prick.. Beats his wifes, own father and undoubtly Max too when he was a child. So, no Max doens't bring hate to me but the way Jos works does. I've talked with his ex teammate Mika Salo, and he has told me that he was the hardest teammate to work with in his career and has nothing good to day about him.

[@gringostarr69]

​@@RedlingsteinNot Max, but Jos.. Can't stand the man. I was there on sight at my first live gp 1994 when he luckily got his first podium. I was there with my dad to root my countryman Mika, but we learned day before the race that he had race ban. And JJ couldn't drive that Benetton either cause he wasn't healed enough. Jos was almost a lap down and on final lap Brundels car had an engine failure. Anyways, Jos has always been like that. Bearing wifes, his dad, other people and propably his son too. My countryman Mika Salo told that Jos was the worst and angry teammate he ever had and their relations never healed. So no, Max doesn't bring hate to me. He is a a capable driver in the best car on the grid. And 3 time champ.. But his dad is a maniac and him I can't stand. He should be banned from grid. He is not at RB's payroll if Im right..

[@intothemultiverse1033]

Rumours are Jos was/is dating the woman Horner has got all hot under the collar about

[@DaniMacYo]

Jos wants to be the boss. Jos should not have any influence in who hires Horner or not at Redbull. The whole situation is a mess.

[@Redlingstein]

Jos has NO SAY in anything in RB… Horner, Marko and RB GmbH do…