What's Better? 🤔 | XC Tyres On An Enduro Bike Vs Enduro Tyres On An XC Bike

[@gmbn]

What other riding disciplines of tyres on bikes should we compare?

[@feedbackzaloop]

compound vs knobs?

[@LilJanitorStoryTeller-vf4ne]

small question, can you help me under stand chain tensioner. for some reason nobody talk about it?

[@rasmusvedel]

None, please.

[@LawrenceMacMacster]

​@@LilJanitorStoryTeller-vf4ne are you meaning a tensioner like in a single speed or a chain guide to prevent your chain from falling?

[@LawrenceMacMacster]

Comparo meh, to me what would be interesting would be an in depth on dirt jump tires, there's new choices out there....

[@samharris82]

I won a 3hr XC race on a Ripmo. My Epic broke day before the race so I slapped XC wheels, tires, and cockpit onto the Ripmo. Even though it was 140/160 28lb bike, I still PRd a climb I’d done 50x and won the race!

[@trailrunnah8886]

I 100% believe it! I absolutely love my Ripmo, it climbs like no other bike I've ridden.

[@youngstadan4999]

Xc bikes are now trail bikes trail bikes are enduros enduros are dh ,dh bikes are become useless. 10 years ago a trail bike was 120 mil

[@HippieMTB]

About time someone else said it. lol.

[@norcotorrentguy]

So true haha, im racing downhill on a 160 150 light enduro bike, but I must admit a dh bike would be much faster and more fun

[@phillipstewart2031]

Now hardtails can do the mega

[@rolandovera5935]

…and gravel bikes are now xc bikes.

[@boogiedownbronx73]

Definitely...I do downhill on a 150mm pike Select easy it's all about the rider...I do would like more travel so upgrading the debonair to 160...I think 160/170 is the sweet spot

[@2dcutout]

I've run XC tyres on an enduro bike and what Rich doesn't tell you is HOW MUCH FUN IT IS! I did it for when I was doing a couple of big days out (70-80km ride) and only had an enduro bike. The bike picks up speed easily, rolls fast, and goes DH REALLY fast. Scary pinging off rocks though, hoping you don't get a puncture. And uphills become such a breeze in comparison! I've got an XC bike now too, and can't imagine why I'd want DH tyres on it. With the current setup I was hindered by the geometry before the tyre grip.

[@carpecarp]

How about a comparison between a modern 120mm progressive XC bike and an early 90s DH bike?

[@zdm5290]

Bit of a technical misconception, very common among car enthusiasts as well - brake rotor size won't impact your stopping distance unless 1) you are incapable of locking up, or 2) your system is heat soaking or overheating. Your Stopping power is pretty much always limited by the tire and how much traction you have. A larger rotor will give the brake system more leverage over the wheel so it will be easier to lock it up, take less force at the master cylinder for the same amount of braking, and it will dissipate heat more effectively. This is a big part of why many brake systems use smaller calipers and rotors on the rear wheels - they hit lock up much easier and don't matter as much. Also worth noting, when you've broken static friction, kinetic friction is typically lower meaning you'll stop slower again, and you'll have to let off the brake more to get back to static than it took to break it. Edit- something I'm curious of: We know XC tires have worse traction in loose conditions, at what surface level does the enduro tire have worse traction than the XC tire?

[@hein_mcleod]

I like running XC tyres on my emtb for the efficiency over long distances as we tend to ride/race long distances more than going down gnarly hills. Maxxis Rekon on the front and a Ikon on the rear, both 29x2.6.

[@KonstantinV1970]

Went to Lago di Garda with my Rocky Mountain Element Down Country Bike and mounted a Maxxis Assegai on the front. My brother went the same lines on a CC tyre and slipped quite a lot where I could ride (Val del Diaol trail). Switching tyres for special occasions makes totally sense. 😊

[@stevewalsh4288]

Tyre choice always a compromise. Many will be running big grippy front and smaller faster back to try and get the best of both worlds. Should have tried enduro front and xc out back…

[@robertmason2076]

Yeah that would have been very interesting too, most of us do indeed run bigger front smaller rear combos.

[@hein_mcleod]

Or different tread patterns. I run a Maxxis Rekon on the front and a Ikon on the rear.

[@camdjkim]

A kid asked me why I have enduro tires on my xc bike the other day. I told him all the same benefits this video confirmed. The trails I ride are all very rocky/chunky terrain so it fits my needs. He still looked at me as if I was old and dumb.

[@davekal]

I run dhf 2.5 exo front, rekon 2.4 exo rear on my rm element 140/120. I tried a more xc tire on the front but it washed out easier and caused less confidence.

[@jamesc6876]

this concludes it, more flat protection for xc tires.

[@petrokemikal]

Think about how I felt when I got abused on a forum when they found out I rode an orange alpine 160 from 2004... And I quote [ you show up on your dinasour bike and look like a clown while the rest of us will pass you laughing going down.. That bike would maul any bike park to the point that 99 percent of the people who rode it, it definately wouldn't be the bike holding them back.. It would be there ridiclous attitude and lack of skill..

[@martintin250]

Was riding enduro tyres on XC a long time back… works for me apart from when it’s hard pack. Then you need the speed of the XC tyre

[@andrewcockburn7484]

Big tyres on a small bike = fun. Small tyres on a big bike = punctures.

[@andrewgillman6327]

I think puncture is terrain based although tire pressure, liners and hybrid cases might be the solution. The subject covered is great especially for newer people or people who want to try non-tradional set ups but fear injury.

[@hein_mcleod]

Less knobly tyres on big bike = kinda fun😂

[@akselplathan]

I came in to this video basically knowing the difference in that the two bikes would have on a given pair of tires, just not to what extent. I'm a bit of a grip freak so i knew that the enduro bike would have more grip than the xc if with the same tires because of the weight difference. But it did shock me similar the braking distance was on the enduro tires, but how different it was on the xc tires. Interesting content as per usual so keep up the good work and ride hard. I do think i'll look into those braking distance differences for my self though.

[@olibrown4270]

I put magic marys on my 120 xc bike it was soo much fun rly slow but apart from that the grip was amazing could lean into corners soo much more

[@danielg9947]

If you choose to only have one bike, go for the one that fits most of your needs. Get a second set of wheels and tyres to fit the odd day you ride outside of that. I have a cheap set of alloy wheels with enduro tyres for my xc bike that I use when going on rough terrain rides. Less punctures and crashes ;)

[@TheMariothedog]

That's a nice video, 3x Like..! I have an XC bike with enduro profile tyres and it's feels great when I'm riding that bike 😉🚲✌️

[@neilelliston]

Better rolling speed but loose front end in my experience. Making my trail/enduro into a london to off road mile muncher

[@stujm8376]

I run 29 x 2.4 schwalbe magic Mary’s on my xc hardtail and will never go back to xc tyres. I love the security it gives me compared to the vittoria barzo’s I was running before. Obviously uphill is more difficult, but it’s worth it because I get fitter quicker and feel more confident downhill.

[@_Inferis]

Fitter quicker? Have you just discovered the secret to fast gains?

[@Mark__A]

Same size Mary front, hans at the back. On loose surface it's pretty challenging to do longer climbing. I can feel the Magic Mary gripping harder.

[@Criscross292]

Same. Hardtail with Magic Mary 2.4 front… Hans D in the back. Very secure cornering and downhill. Winning combo 👍

[@hectorlmges]

Same thing. YT Izzo here (130mm Downcountry bike) and I’ve two full wheel sets. One with XC tires for looong days and main use and one with 2.4 MagicMarys for winter/snow/bikepark. It takes 2 minutes to change the bike. Super happy.

[@ifitrollsrideit530]

Am I the only one that would like a Magic Mary with an XC casing? I can use the grip for sand, loam or mud but the trails I ride are rarely rocky.

[@burglebro]

I had thick wire bead downhill tires on my trail hardtail and light trail tires on my enduro, swapped them and OMG they unlocked each bike so much. I guess I did get some good training pedaling the hardtail with those tires, like putting weights on my ankles

[@aliens1990990]

thanks for this ive got a super enduro (NP Giga) and thought about putting some lighter XC tyres on it but i think after this i agree i think ill keep the enduro tyres on it instead :)

[@ShadLife]

My comment and opinion is that I think your assessment is pretty much spot on. It's cool to see how much of a difference tires make. I prefer a burlier stickier tread on as lightweight of a casing as I can get (trail tire) on my Spectral 125. I feel like that is a good balance between the two because thicker casing and heavier tires make the bike feel like a total pig to me.

[@rethridermtb3262]

One thing I thought was very interesting is that, on the climb, the time for the cross country tires was the same on both bikes.

[@TheRotundRider]

My bike is a trail bike, but I have progressed to riding some chunky terrain. I kept getting punctures on my rear wheels which was running thin casing XC tires. I swapped them out for a thicker casing enduro tire. No issues since.

[@osochocolatoso]

Currently running 29x2.6s on my 140mm HT. Works just right for me since I do plenty of uphill, also the extra suppleness in the rear is always welcome in a HT. I have even taken it XC racing and while the spandex clipless sub 11kg XC guys did leave me behind at the uphill stuff i enjoyed passing them in the downhill, specially with the mud cake conditions we had 🥴

[@master9658]

5:04 probably completly other geometry of enduro bike helped the most at reducing braking distance, not tires or brakes

[@nicolaspade1341]

I run trail tyres on my XC bike. Too many punctures with the xc tyres 😅

[@ravennexusmh]

my choice is always bigger bike, grip front tyre, less aggressive rear tyre. grippy front tyre for when my weight is on it braking and such. less aggressive faster rolling tyre for when my weight is on it (sat down) on the fireroads and climbs.

[@didgineil]

Good to see, for fun and giggles interesting tests. Lots to learn for me so this all helps what questions to ask, and what to look out for. What enduro tire would you recommend for newbies for starters, mixed terrain, descending, uphill, singletrack.

[@gg.youlubeatube6249]

I have a spare front wheel for my xc, with 2,25 and fast profile. So I can swap it quickly for my casual-gravel rides with family.

[@JoelZieve]

Why were they both faster uphill after the tire swap?

[@youngstadan4999]

You can do anything on any tyre any bike, running out of stuff to cover. You can put quick rolling tyres on a enduro if your riding flstter stuff and it'll roll quicker, I put boldy's on my stumpy ( could only ride road) it was fast like a lot quicker it was also quicker over grass n hardoacked dirt. There's no fixed rules

[@rasmusvedel]

Yeah really screams lack of proper content.

[@charalambosm]

Good one... very interesting... most definately the xc bike benefits more from the swap... thank you!

[@axt_messer_survival]

tut es letztendlich nicht. du lässt dich gerade von der getarnten reifenwerbung in die irre führen. diese kurzen stücke auf einem kurzen trail rauf und runter sagen wenig bis nichts aus. es profitiert nicht, sobald du es unter normalen bediengungen einsetzt, sondern würde die mehrheit der XC fahrer die fettten gummis fahren.

[@DatPenguin97]

I do like a bit of sketchiness (mud with trekking tyres on my Frankengravel with a trekking fork for example), feels nice if you still make it through and maybe do speeds you wouldn't normally think of doing in these conditions with those tyres

[@junka1975]

I put stronger tyres on my old xc bike because I was getting too many punctures on the terrain I was riding. It made all the difference.

[@andronin]

I only have one bike, Kenevo SL, and when doing XC riding definitely have a better day out with my XC wheelset. It is also far more entertaining on the downs

[@graemewhite8654]

#AskGMBN nice video, but I think discussing the merits of swapping the tyres on these bikes for those that only have one bike would have been a useful conclusion.

[@ish474]

I have 2 different wheel/tire setups for my hardtail and those xc tires are super sketchy on anything except hardpack and gravel. DRH2's for everything else

[@ivostarmans1199]

I put trail/enduro tires on my Top Fuel when I go to trailparks or more technical rides. Think enduro bike with xc tires would be slow and heavy for longer xc rides or Marathons. Maybe a 150 fully with xc and enduro tires would be good at both.

[@svensshed1564]

I always have XC tyres on my bike to give less rolling resistance

[@feedbackzaloop]

Doesn't really matter how much travel you have when you slip on the first root/stone and proceed face down bike up However, the suspension setup adds to the whole picture: plusher initial stroke of enduro keeps the wheels in tighter contact with ground, while hard from the start XC makes them more bouncy.

[@sebastiandudek1211]

i run minion dhf and dhr on my downhill bike, thinkin to replace them with some xc or enduro tires like continental mountain king or race king, maxxis they nice for forest but they dont roll on flat at all

[@mountaincruiser817]

You and your crazy idea's. Whats next!? Flats vs spd? 😂

[@NewPolishScientist]

No, pedals vs no pedals

[@LawrenceMacMacster]

I have downhill tires on my trail bike & DH bike, oh also on my hardtail of course 😂

[@jpandriesse3954]

I wonder what the result would have been if taken the Barzo instead of the Syerra. The Syerra is a perfect tyre, when the conditions are perfect (dry hard pack), I switcht to the Barzo, because it's, in my opinion, more capable when the conditions are less perfect. For trail/Enduro I use Mazza/Martello, for XC/light trail, I use barzo/mezcal in summer and barzo/barzo in winter.

[@just_maksym]

For a accuracy of the test it's better to have to drivers, because this results are cool but not that transparent as I wish from the perspective of the statistics

[@Pienimusta]

Assegai front, Rock Razor back is suberb combo on trail bike.

[@neilelliston]

Shame they stopped selling rock razor

[@sstrong42]

I put enduro tires on my XC bike and, uh, it was not a good time climbing. Anytime an outside knob caught something, it gripped and that's the way the wheel went.

[@mk71]

The braking results make little sense if you don't measure speed at the time you apply brakes.

[@RedPanther2030]

They also have to have same break systems

[@deanlowe2580]

I've kind of done this my whyte s120 cr rocks a minion dhr in 29x2.5 on the rear and an assagai 29x2.6 on the front, granted the s120 is probably already considered more of a trail bike than an xc bike.

[@roilev]

So GMBN is dropping the "GLOBAL" moniker from its name and reverting back to imperial units? We'll miss you guys :(

[@МихайлоЄхануров]

So, I have an XC hardtail and I’ve just upgraded my front wheel to Maxxis High Roller 2 2.3x29 and kept my Bontrager XR2 2.0x29 is it a good set or not

[@chamsltf4442]

Can I get maxxis 26*2.5 tires on my xc 26*1/2.3 wheel ?

[@razzor4708]

Want to see 27.5 size+ width tires on any type of bike....

[@j.l.d658]

I sent in a fail a while ago and it never got put on the sends and fails, I never got a email back about you guys receiving it as well

[@jago100]

Probably wasn’t as good/bad as the others don’t stress

[@rogelio6993]

comedy under the guise of scientific research😂

[@hc3820]

Bring back the death grip challenge

[@ifitrollsrideit530]

You really need to measure the speed the bike is going before it brakes. If the bike is just going slower because one set of tyres rolls slower then it will brake in a shorter distance because there's less energy built up. Similarly, slow tyres "feel" gripper simply because you're rolling through the corners slower. Without measuring though there's no way to know.

[@thelocalangler]

at first i didn't believe this to be that big of an issue till i tried it. i ride my 2011 rockhopper hardtail with the factory off road tires mainly on pave bike paths and the occasional gravel or off road trail. my buddies suggested me to swap out my off road tires for semi road tires and i kind a scoffed at the idea and much later on i tried it and it made me a believer and i can't believe how much of a difference it made. the off road tires were loud and really rumbly and took some effort while the semi road tires incredibly quiet and very little effort to get rolling. with the off road tires i could ride maybe 6 to 7 hours and about 60 to 70km and i would be exhausted while the new semi road tires i could do the same ride plus another 50% of the ride. it almost feels like an ebike where it feels like there is a boost.

[@RedPanther2030]

XC is faster uphill, Enduro faster downhill. Which one would be faster in a race that has different types of terrains and trails? I think XC would beat Enduro.

[@johndef5075]

I never like these back to back run comparisons. Very hard to exactly duplicate an effort. Never put much stock in them.

[@mlee6050]

Unsure of mountain bike but I always had over 40psi

[@johnnyblue4799]

Repeat this and do at least 3 runs on each setup. I bet your results will differ enough on each of the 3 runs to make the whole test a bit irrelevant. Repeat only a braking test with one bike many times and see if your stopping distance is always the same...

[@flybyguy1450]

So basically a trail tire would be perfect. Got it.

[@nickwilson2318]

least scientific thing ive ever seen. Totally invalid results

[@duncanicook]

XC tyres should be no more than 2.2 XC winter tyres should be no more than 2.0 anything larger than this is too big for xc

[@robcameron9351]

Canyon bikes are gorgeous

[@synkuk]

Disagree .. looks like all are better with enduro tyres ;)

[@JackOfHearts42]

My controvertial opinion: there isntt actually any difference between an Enduro and a XC bike. The only thing is trail & rider preferences that changes. It's all just a bike industry conspiracy.

[@johndef5075]

XC frames on an enduro bike are better. Funny to see all the overbiked people on 35+ pound pigs. You need 180mm of suspension because your bike weighs 37 lbs. Meanwhile my 25 lb. bike with 100 mm is skipping over stuff not bashing into it. And uphills are a breeze.

[@zfiddy]

Mtb is turning wierd nowadays!

[@aleksarajkovic3471]

Syera is neither xc nor light tyre 🙂

[@polopowered]

I don't care, I just get out there and ride.

[@Marcus221179]

GMBN needs a new Tyre Sponsor.

[@alanbussell7894]

Braking distances? Shouldn't this be done on the same bike with the same brakes and same psi?

[@Alessandro-xy7js]

Love you guys, but why? Running out of ideas?

[@CRGT666]

No. It is a good idea to make this kind of videos, some people need to this content to validate when they see someone racing enduro on a xc bine with enduro tires, because at least here in my country you see that very often. It’s just something to tell people you can ride anything with the bike you have. But there are some videos that tell you sometimes they run out of ideas

[@Alessandro-xy7js]

@@CRGT666 ok ok, in my area i haven't notice people with such a stupid mix of tires 🤷

[@craigmanson6141]

Braking test a bit flawed as xc tires roll faster!!

[@SzynszyL01]

1'st :)