What's happening to electric cars in cold weather?

[@vernonhampton6973]

...and petrol/diesel powered vehicles are the ones towing these drained vehicles home...

[@gilletphilippe4473]

Diesel's can also struggle in extreme cold did you know that in winter a antifreeze is added to Diesel fuel at the pump.

[@ep9691]

@@gilletphilippe4473 you can rationalize all you want.. EVERYONE is going to go with ICE vehicles in extreme cold.. and when you need bailing it isn't gonna be a EV vehicle

[@madisonvillavert745]

You seem to be interviewing an expert that does not seem to know any better than most of us regarding this issue.

[@jz4057]

The technology is literally younger than that lady. How does she know any better? 😂. She’s learning it on the go just like everyone else.

[@essaisai4243]

I was so confused when she started babbling about car batteries

[@Ruth-os4mi]

She's clearly a PR girl, not a car expert.

[@pgiatrakis]

Yes but this report was vastly superior to every single report I’ve seen on this subject. You could tell when she was guessing or discussing facts. It certainly didn’t appear to be a hit piece on EVs but a report about the problem. However I disagree with her opinion because this was mostly a result of rental staff and customer ignorance. Mixed with a little bad luck. 🙏👍✌️😀

[@mikegingerich7808]

She did mention battery preconditioning, so maybe she did a bit of homework first (or saw one of the Out of Spec youtube videos on this topic)

[@scgriff9647]

It sounds to me like the planning she is referring to is owning a second car that uses gas

[@ep9691]

[@Domane-mh8wg]

In states that have harsh winters, ev's are useless. In the summer when there are energy flex alerts, the state ask you not to charge your ev's.

[@alexalex13131]

It's tough for the 5 minutes it takes to gas up your tank when it's freezing.

[@marioeduardoferreiraruiz]

No kidding, I usually take about 3 or 4 minutes…and let me tell you! I had to get a ‘thermal’ jacket just for that. I’m usually okay once I’m back in the car…tank full of gas and the heater at full bast, driving out of the station!!🥶

[@WilliamsPinch]

😂😂😂

[@Anomize23]

As cold as it is, it’s even tougher with those touchscreens that are too cold to operate. Thats when i Get my coffee inside, let it fill up by itself and walk out the store warm.

[@logictheorist]

@@marioeduardoferreiraruiz Yeah, oil companies make it so easy for you to give them money don't they.

[@marioeduardoferreiraruiz]

@@logictheorist Well, I only fill-up once a month, and full tank for me is between $39-$47 every 30 or 37 days. My crossover has a 1.5 l4 turbo engine, so no that pricey…and I get to drive with no issues in below-freezing weather without having to prepare my gas vehicle or worry about ever having to tow it from anywhere. ☺😁😄🙂

[@richystar2001]

When I buy a 70000$ car I dont want to have to think about it not working.

[@HelloThereUniverse]

you're saying this like how most Toyota owners don't even do their own basic maintenance because they know it's a Toyota, it last. NO! they don't go 100K miles when you don't change change your oil enough. Just like EV owners, they buy a 70K vehicle thinking they'll not have to worry about charging during extreme cold weather.

[@Anomize23]

That’s why Toyota service centers exist dude😂 and as a master mechanic, there’s literally Toyotas every day that are neglected just as Hondas are and they still run. We have experience with combustion engines for decades now. No car is just gonna give out 100,000 miles unless it’s a rover😂

[@HelloThereUniverse]

@@Anomize23 no modern cars (even Toyota and honda) can last 100K. It's not like back then when you buy a Toyota or a Honda you can guarantee over 100K miles and still runs like a dream or close to it. I myself own an 04 Honda Accord with 215K miles and with no working heat or AC, it runs well.

[@randomyoutubeaccount6906]

that isn't true. 100k isn't a lot, neiither is 215k. Plenty of modern Hondas and Toyotas can still go 300-500k, Toyotas 3.5 and 8 speed can easily as well as there bigger truck engines. I don't know what Honda J35s where effected by the recall but up until about 2014 J35 and K24 Accords/TLs etc could out last your accord due to yours having a faulty transmission. My H6 is better. Idk if the new 2.0T (With 274 ft lbs torque) can go 300k+ miles often or 250k consistently, the 10 speed is prolly safe. and I have't seen reports like the J35. Point is your inaccurate, reliability sinks with new tech like CVTs or Turbos but those cars get fogured out and your accord is about 10 years before cars peaked in reliability for now @@HelloThereUniverse

[@randomyoutubeaccount6906]

my 2012 TL has 230k, runs like new, Working heat AC, has never had a check engine light in it's life @@HelloThereUniverse

[@franklin9400]

Like we didn't know about this ahead of time? 😂 These were fully known problems, ahead of time. They just didn't want to tell you the downside. To an industry, they invested so much of their money in.

[@saintsalieri]

They literally invited a woman from a car advertisement website instead of, like, a physicist to explain the issue. No wonder she dances around it instead of directly answering questions.

[@phillyphil1513]

exactly, welcome to the old Capitalism "Con-Game" of TRUTH IN ADVERTISING (or lack thereof).

[@leok7193]

Oh no, they didn't advertise the less appealing sides of their product?! Welcome to capitalism. The issue was well known and covered for many years now, you just can't be ignorant. Same way ice cream doesn't say in big bold letters: THIS MAKES YOU FAT.

[@stompieandsuzie]

If you don't use your Tesla in winter you won't have a problem

[@Anomize23]

That means the problem gets worse when it sits in cold and just the battery dies sitting too long.😂

[@davidreidenberg9941]

EV’s only make sense when home charging is available. Currently about 95% of all miles driven is facilitated by home charging.

[@davidreidenberg9941]

@@Anomize23no,you just keep it plugged in in your garage when not in use.

[@MoonDog991]

@@davidreidenberg9941 a lot of fires happen because people do this. You're not supposed to leave it unattended when it's charging.

[@khus12]

​@MiGaijin lol who told you this, sure your not confusing some dodgy Chinese phone instead of a quality tesla car?

[@katpellot5898]

I’ll keep my gas vehicle, thank you.

[@js-wq6zy]

Until EVs cost 30K, then you'll wonder why you are paying operating costs are 80% higher, unless of course your are an engineer in the military and you use military math.

[@digmacdiggydoo]

And then there is the higher cost of insurance.

[@Truckasaur]

Yeah, the cost savings aren’t what they’re cracked up to be.

[@ramdas363]

As long as you live in a free country where you're still allowed to. EUropeans don't have that luxury.

[@Anomize23]

@@js-wq6zy I don’t think so son because the trade-off maintenance goes to tires brakes suspension and etc.. it’s called having more torque and can’t beat physics unless the car is flying . I already do this for a living nothings gonna get cheaper. You gotta be really delusional to think that it will. Time is money too so forget it. Companies like Ford and hertz are already pulling out so they just figured out the hard way.

[@Marre480]

Norway has a lot of problems with Evs. In past weeks it happened twice that a pubic bus transportation failed. 164 electric buses were out of service, while 9 diesel buses tried to do the best they can to move people around. Other thing, Norewgians have high rate of family homes with heated garages...

[@Jerryd2713]

Excellent answer 👍

[@knowbodiesfull5768]

I'm sure you mean _"public_ bus transportation . . . "? 😆😉

[@bakaenkaaka]

@@knowbodiesfull5768haha! I Didn’t catch that?m! Let’s hope that’s what he means 😂

[@luisPcordeiro]

Really? So, a situation with some busses in a country with the highest levels of EVs on the road, gets extrapolated to the statement above? -- "Norway has a lot of problems with Evs" -- This is false. Let's get the facts strait, look for "Was Oslo paralyzed after all of its electric buses broke down due to the cold?" in KZbin. And get the facts out of the people that know and what was done to accommodate and fix the issue.

[@BackTheNerd]

That's why trolleys are superior :P

[@bobzizzo6344]

Everybody with electric car should be filing lawsuits for the money back

[@dawngallagher9662]

They are conveniently leaving out that the charging stations aren't charging in the extreme cold, and if they ARE charging it's taking twice as long and you can't even get a full charge. And this is the future of transportation supposedly.

[@nobux717]

This cold is only being reported in Chicago. What about the rest of the northern US?

[@phillyphil1513]

Q: What about the rest of the northern US? A: parked next to the Great Lakes and down wind of Canada, places Chicago (and Detroit can't leave them out) has it's own NEXT LEVEL type of cold.

[@nobux717]

​@@phillyphil1513 The question is in the title of the video. That doesn't make it any warmer for EV's in all those other states. That's the point I'm trying to make. There shouldn't be some "Next Level" of cold somewhere in the northern US when it comes to freezing temps on EVs. Storm and ice conditions too maybe, so why are they reporting only dead EVs in Chicago?

[@austinh1028]

Not too many Tesla's in Maine, but most of the people that do have them- keep them charging in their garage. pretty small sample size up that far north because everyone's too nervous about EV's with the cold every year... not enough data/people complaining yet

[@Josh-179]

This episode in Chicago was largely due to numerous Uber drivers clogging up a particular location not knowing much about EVs. Down to about 0° F your going to be fine, but down below -10°F and not doing any sort of planning (pre-conditioning and leaving reasonable buffer in state of charge) would have mitigated this situation.

[@quartytypo]

Stupidity in charging figures. If you have to charge at 20% capacity, but shouldn't exceed 80% capacity, then your driving range is 60% of that listed by the manufacturer.

[@alanking6173]

it's not going to work in Minnesota no thanks, and what about people that live in apartment buildings, with no place to charge them.

[@daveharris2884]

If you don't plan well, don't by an EV.

[@uhhTabby]

Why would you buy an EV at all

[@Anomize23]

Is that the motto they are saying these days? Sounds like planning for inconveniences. I dont spend that kinda money to plan for that. ☕️ The planning for nonsense smh.

[@advancetotabletop5328]

If you don’t plan well, you end up buying an EV!

[@mattrowan2680]

@@uhhTabby Do NOT buy an EV unless: 1. You are a homeowner and are willing to buy & install the proprietary fast (50 amp) charger in your garage. That cost alone will be $500 - $7,000 depending on your home's existing electrical system, plus the cost of the charger. Do NOT even think about buying an EV if you live in an apartment/condo-that’s called buying a nightmare including the possibility that, because of the safety concerns about EV batteries spontaneously igniting and sustaining dangerous fires, your building or municipality will not allow you to park in the garage. 2. All of your daily driving can be comfortably accomplished with less than half of the vehicle’s published range. In general half the published range is what you have to work with between keeping the battery charged to factory recommended levels which are between 20% & 80% and actually using heat and air conditioning when needed. 3. You are comfortable paying more for insurance than you probably pay for gas ($350/month through Tesla insurance, and that’s just for the Model Y). 4. Both you and your wife, driving age kids etc. cannot be absent-minded. Full EV's need constant daily attention to avoid damaging the battery. Also, running the battery too close to 0%, even just one time, can permanently damage it. You have to remember to plug it in every night. Missing even one night is a headache you don’t want. In colder areas, you can’t take it to the airport and leave it in the parking garage because a prolonged freeze will turn it into a brick. In general, your "EV Owner's Life" becomes constantly being paranoid about the health of the battery and you never get to just park the car in the driveway and not think about it. Anything, and I mean ANYTHING that you touch or activate while driving tends to heighten your already high psychological "range anxiety" levels. Just hitting a relatively small bump in the road has you immediately focusing on the "remaining miles" gauge or worse, wondering if this time, you have somehow damaged the battery. 5. You are willing to spend $2,000 on tires every 2-3 years. No, we don’t drive crazy. 6. You are okay with service being VERY expensive for even minor things because your repair facility options are extremely limited. And the repair shops know it. (Cha Ching, Cha Ching). Yes, there are some fun things about buying and driving our Model Y, but at the same time we will not purchase another EV. There are pros, but the cons including Li-Ion battery thermal runaway explosions and instantaneous fire safety concerns definitely outweigh the pros. We have decided to get an ICE non-hybrid Toyota next. From now on, the only battery I want in my cars is one I can buy at AutoZone and swap out myself....and the only tires I want are normal size standard tires that don't have to be specially constructed, sized to support the potential 35% higher car weight and outrageously priced. In total, the lack of affordable and available public charging, the higher total cost of ownership, the problems mentioned above, higher insurance costs and probable additional licensing/road-use taxes have convinced us that these EV's are seriously deficient and just not ready for prime time...not even close.

[@WalrusWinking]

No the better "plan" would be just having a gas or deisel and keeping it for decades while everyone else has $21000 battery replacement bills and can't drive more than 150 miles in the winter.

[@puffnstuff12]

I'll stick with ICE thanks. Last time I filled up from half a tank it took about 3 minutes to accomplish and I'm not hampered by temperature fluctuations. EV's are a boutique conveyance for the wealthier among us. The EPA should be forced to test them using a different standard so the range will be an accurate reflection of the real world.

[@marioeduardoferreiraruiz]

Yeah, me too…I love my gas car, nothing matches ‘ice’ cars! 🥳🎉

[@kriskim9952]

Sounds like a headache having one of these cars. I’m good with my gas car. It’s much easier to walk to the gas station and fill up a container with gas than to deal with this. 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@arkcon714]

lol a dead battery in a gas vehicle just need a boost, very different than an EV

[@tqlla]

If your EV has an advertised 300 mile range. In the cold, you are supposed to stay over 30% and only charge to 80%. So you are only using 50% capacity(150miles). If your range is cut by 30%, you are down to 100 miles or range after "filling up". To make matters worse for people who park outside, the battery discharges to keep itself warm. If you lose 5-10% a day for battery maintenance, thats 10-20 miles... out of your 100 mile usable range.

[@ekop1778]

100 miles CAN MEAN THE DIFFRENCE BETWEEN LIFE AND BEING DECEASED

[@NGM.I.G.]

If itt states a 300 mile range is using the heating in the car during cold weather factored in? Or mentioned.

[@Truckasaur]

Like the guy who came back from a trip to find his car parked at the airport totally dead

[@leok7193]

There's no problem charging to 100% in the cold. Right now, just don't buy EV in a cold climate if you don't plan to have the option to charge at home and want to keep the car outside. You'll still have plenty of range. It's idiots that have apartments and did no research about EVs that are suffering right now. I'd bet good money not a single owner at that Chicago supercharger went: well I could charge this at home, but let me drive to the supercharger with 8% left in freezing cold!

[@tqlla]

@@leok7193 Sorry, I should have stated less than 30-80% at a supercharger. IE people who dont have a cozy garage to charge in. Politicians who vote to ban combustion cars, should have to park outside and only charge at Superchargers. So they know what they are forcing people to do.

[@davidcarlin3850]

My 2009 Honda CRV with 154k miles started right up in 18 degree weather and out I was

[@aaronolivas6970]

I have a 16 f350 diesel if i dont plug it in under 30 degrees it struggles to start so yeaa funny how no one mentions that lol

[@billmM3605]

@@aaronolivas6970 My 2016 F350 diesel sits outside at 20 below, not plugged in, and it starts up no problem. I do keep good batteries in it though and run 5-40 oil in the winter. I replace the batteries every three years and it hasn't let me down yet.

[@luisPcordeiro]

An EV car starts and operates also fine even in colder temperatures. The issue is that, as with ICE cars, some care is necessary when charging or fueling.

[@wetlandweasel]

@@aaronolivas6970 Isn't that due to the diesel congealing at lower temps?

[@aaronolivas6970]

@@wetlandweasel yuuuup results are the same. Truck no go broom broom

[@franknew9001]

Jenni Newman @ 1:51 says the key to ownership is charging at home. Is she forgetting about the millions of people that live in apartments and condos that live in cold weather areas that can't charge from home, and would have to depend on public charging 100% of the time? Also public charging rates in many states are much higher than the price of gas.

[@Ruth-os4mi]

Imagine if you're stranded with your children in a dark frozen car.

[@leok7193]

@@Ruth-os4mi has never happened with an ICE car 🤦‍♂️

[@hcw199]

Imagine paying for a full tank of gas and then after a cold night sat outside you lost 25% of the fuel you put in.... That wouldn't botger me at all!!

[@rascha7869]

😀😀

[@teresaellis895]

I think if you are wealthy,live in warm climate,don't commute or travel with a time issue and have ability to charge at home it's great...I looked around our town.Most is street parking to the public...The entire town would need redone....

[@advancetotabletop5328]

So, basically, EV’s are a result of the liberal elite and progressives telling you what to drive.

[@rocketboostjump]

My ICE vehicle struggles to start at -10 degrees. For half a second and once it is started all is well.

[@marioeduardoferreiraruiz]

Mine ‘rough’ starts for about half a second as well…then I go. I usually like to warm-up the engine on the way to wherever I’m going, I never wait.

[@HelloThereUniverse]

Meanwhile my 04 Honda Accord with 215K miles still humming long just fine.

[@blue_ish4499]

My saturn ion "plastic car" 2006 still run fine at 239 000 miles and no problem at minus 35 here

[@thomasbenner9621]

Someday, probably when it’s too late, the American people will realize just how insightful our founding fathers were. “Beware, the greedy hand of government, thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry.” -Thomas Paine ,

[@0hffs]

shut up, the interstate highways that we have were spearheaded by the automotive industry for self interest, causing more harm than good. It's absolutely funny how you don't want the government in our lives yet cry when private companies take your data, ruin your life, and you can't handle what just happens when you mess with self responsibility.

[@TheBeefMonger]

the only reason you're able to quote that is because the american people are aware of old wisdom.

[@jenniferocampo1134]

If you have Tesla make sure to bring your own generator.

[@beachday4439]

Don't forget about all the extra power needed to keep the humans warm inside the car while driving in sub 0 conditions.

[@WalrusWinking]

The battery also uses heaters to keep itself warm so that's even more battery drained.

[@bryanbrown544]

Are we gonna charge these cars in the snow with electricity made from solar panels😊

[@jamieanderson2227]

Wait till there's no power from a disaster. That will be interesting.

[@TheFly212]

My 2001Jeep Grand Cherokee started with no issues up in Maybell CO. when it was NEGATIVE 48 degrees F.... That's right. -48F. No issues. Back in 2009.

[@luisPcordeiro]

Search for a video where a guy started his EV just fine in cold temperatures (there are some videos). EV also work, the issue is with recharging and not planning for it. A good explanation here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gWeXeYRrj7WZmrM

[@daveyt4802]

Lithium batteries don't like the cold at all. Wondering about how to keep the battery pack warm...

[@remowilliams6152]

Start a fire underneath?! 😂😂😂

[@Chad_Max]

EVs make very little sense at this point in time. The infrastructure isn't there and the tech has a ways to go to evolve. At a product level they're heavier which means more wear and tear on mechanical components and they're expensive to own, maintain and insure. When you factor in ownership costs it takes a while to get a good ROI on an EV. It can work for some customers and in some parts of the country, but its not a mass product just yet. There's still a ways to go....

[@js-wq6zy]

The ROI of a 80k tesla versus a 40K toyota is 5 years driving 20k miles a year, not bad for trend setters with above average coin. Usually trend setters lose money. Also, when needed the Tesla goes zero to 60 in 3-4 seconds. Maybe it's just too embarrassing for you that an immigrant (Musk) has embarrassed so many old school american corporate giants.

[@HumbertoTovarR]

ROI on a car?

[@davidreidenberg9941]

No, they make perfect sense IF you can charge at home.

[@marioeduardoferreiraruiz]

Absolutely, well said…and thank you, still a long way to go.

[@johnlevel30calhoun23]

@@HumbertoTovarRReturn On Investment!

[@fatotis6273]

These folks just won't admit that EVs do not fit the American culture, and most of the drivers in the US don't want them. Norway has more passenger trains and more folks use public trans. It is a MUCH smaller country.

[@PumpUptheJam81]

EV’s have a place in American culture just as much as gas and diesel. It is simply another form of energy and locomotion. All of the dramatics and speculation are not congruent with our experience with an EV and we have lived in Idaho, Oregon and CA with it. Never going back to gas. Battery tech is improving every year and all of these absolutisms about EV will evaporate, just as speculation of the internal combustion did when it replaced the horse and buggy.

[@993mike]

The government completely overstepped their bounds when they started mandating EV car percentages. Most people here do not want them (myself as an ICE car enthusiast among them), as there are so many limitations with our current grid and charging stations that cannot handle them all, plus range and weather limitations. It’s a typically policy decision that naive politicians implement not knowing how change happens in the real world. The market is speaking by not buying nearly as many EV’s as projected, instead they are buying what should have been the logical next step - hybrids. If the conversion to EV’s does happen (a sad day for sure) it should be done over a 20 year period and not the unrealistic 6 years to 2030.

[@jackabsolute5525]

One more variable to take into account is the housing, or lack therof. It is hard to keep your EV charged >20% if you do not own a house that has a charger. With a number of people living in apartments and parking on the street/parking lotsunder the cold winter night, you will have problems keeping that threshold. Manufacturers have jumped the gun. The infrastructure has not caught up yet. Maybe Toyota has the right idea about there being a more efficient way of adopting zero emissions other than EVs.

[@terenceenders9388]

Plug in hybrid technology seems like the best option in the midwest climate until solid state battery technology is ready...

[@thespeedofchillax]

Another reason why hydrogen fuel cells are a much better way to go than battery evs ...

[@TamTran-hy8dj]

Why Chinese haven't seen cold weather problems with their cars,

[@roadrunner734]

No you won't. You WILL MOT have any issues with your battery in a gasoline vehicle. Make sure the battery posts stay clean.....your fine. The age of the battery......check it, if it's too old......buy a new one, but the odds of that.......rare.

[@ConalRF]

idk I think it's more useless than a brick - a brick is a counterweight, weapon, part of a wall, a step, the floor.

[@williamquemuel7824]

The crisis in Chicago has far reaching impact on EV’s. It highlights that EVs and charging stations are still in the early stages. Cars shouldn’t limit your driving. You should be able to plug-in and drive an EV like a normal car, but EVs are still quirky, weird, and not easy to use. An EV should be able to be driven in any extreme environment (hot or cold) with little instructions. Future battery chemistries might address the extreme environments. The EVs haven’t evolved to that level yet.

[@Tschacki_Quacki]

What "crisis"? Do you call it a crisis for the fuel infrastructure if a single gas station is out of order? 😂

[@williamquemuel7824]

@@Tschacki_Quacki Like I said before, the EVs industry are in the early days. You should be able to drive any car in any environment with very little information. There needs to be rapid improvement on electric vehicle cold weather performance for this to work at mass scale. As Kyle Conner of Out of Spec noted that half the Tesla superchargers were out during this cold snap in Colorado. You should watch the Out of Spec video (News from Chicago). He showed the Tesla superchargers being out in Colorado.

[@isabellaereshki]

General Motors is really underrated at times for how much engineering it put into normal cars over the decades to mitigate this kind of problem. Even normal cars with their small car battery have problems with cold and with fires and explosions on rare occasions and with electric cars you have almost the entire car as a battery without all the years of experience and knowledge built into normal cars to allow them to operate in high or low temperatures/environmental conditions. Your often advised to replace or check your car battery in a normal car before every winter or replace it maximum every 2 to 3 years or you run risk of it not being able to provide enough charge to start the car or keep it running in the winter. But you can’t really do that in an ev with so many expensive batteries that often form part of the very frame/structure of the car itself. Basically ev are still on a learning curve being tested by everyone and it will likely be another decade or two before most people should risk buying one as a primary vehicle. So far I e only even seen one charging station in the gastonia Charlotte nc metro area in a best buy/walmart plaza parking lot. The infrastructure and the cars themselves are just not ready or where they need to be yet

[@ibdam1]

Not everyone lives in a house. A number of Tesla owners live in apartments and other multi unit properties. Please interview some with a better understanding of the concerns of EV owners.

[@ThomasBryant]

Just a quick note: EV's are NOT for everyone. Its all dependent on how you drive, whether you can adjust your daily routine to EV driving and charging. I've owned a Tesla for 5 years now going on 6, I have had it all over upstate NY and into Canada and in the heavy winter months. IF you know what you are doing, how to prep your vehicle's battery for the winter and how to protect your range... you simply won't have the issues these other owners are having. Once you learn all of the advantages and disadvantages of an EV... no matter then weather..... you will be just fine.

[@MrGodspeed182]

It’s so sad how hard she is trying to defend EV’s.

[@Mark-c4u9g]

At 3:11 the EV on the flatbed with the words "We Buy Junk Cars" is kind of ironic!😆

[@douper687]

EV do not work in temps that are less then zero, even if you can find a charging station. I also have a 2010 jeep. that has been sitting for 3 days in sub-zero...... it started on first turn of the key. Don't buy an EV if living in a cold climate.

[@pahanin2480]

No worries, EV owners have alot of spare time in their life

[@virgimaga7625]

still pushing for this nonsense, planning is a very important component of having a EV lol

[@HelloThereUniverse]

whoever spend $$$ on an EV is most likely have the most time to waste.

[@Ragebait01]

Idc about speed. I care about practicality. ICE cars will still be in future because of eFuel but those EV fanboys will be annoying

[@randomactivitiesco.5848]

With gas, if you run out, you don't tow the car. You get some gas to the car. Big $$$ difference. The cost to be stupid is much less. In thw midwest we have headbolt heaters that keep the car ready to use in the morning. No special plug necessary. Just an outdoor extention chord. Very cheap and easy to use. EVs are still in test and development. They should not have been sold to the public. They are not ready.

[@chairmankaga2821]

Well, Jenni. The lower temperatures slow the chemical reaction in the batteries making them less efficient.

[@jamessalis]

This is ridiculous! What's the point of spending 50,000 plus for a EVand you can't even drive it in cold weather. There's no learning curve for the consumer, it is simply a bad product. Also, repairing an EV is crazy! And on your own channel, you reported reliability of EVs is 80% less than gas engines. It's time to get off the EV hype.

[@gregyohngy]

Hello! You can drive an EV car during the Winter. Getting 30% less distance still means that you can drive. Dios Mio!

[@CarmenPerez-kz6rw]

@@gregyohngyyou must own one and you regret it. I was driving into the mountains and saw one stranded at about 2000 ft elevation. Piece of junk.

[@justicepsyda3553]

They’re not suppose to drive EV into mountains or doing roadtrips. It is great for short distance commute to work, supermarkets etc….

[@phillyphil1513]

re: "There's no learning curve for the consumer, it is simply a bad product." yup basically... and i DID see a brand new Kia EV6 parked on the side of I-15 outside of Salt Lake City when i was there last March. it wasn't "Chicago grade cold" when i stepped off the plane, but it was cold and snowing as i zoomed by it (with no one inside) ironically in my Kia GAS RENTAL. anecdotal of course, but it looked very much like someone ran out charge and had to BAIL OUT.

[@phillyphil1513]

Q: What's the point of spending 50,000 plus for a EV and you can't even drive it in cold weather(?) A: "Virtue Signaling"

[@markbui543]

I live a cold area that can get down to -30C to -40C. Plugin hybrid or hybrid for me.

[@js-wq6zy]

Thanks for applying logic, it is a great compromise but we'd all like to see hybrids come in a little cheaper, even just the threat of Tesla entering that segment might work to spur toyota and others to get new tech out to the consumers a little faster without obsessing about floor mats....

[@DragonsREpic]

Batteries, much like people, have a delicate relationship with temperature extremes. Charging a frozen battery can spell disaster, especially for lithium-based ones. The prolonged charging time observed in this scenario is likely attributed to the utilization of the charger to power heating mats beneath the 18650s/26650s/LiPos. Interestingly, Tesla employs a liquid cooling system, and one can infer that the liquid is gradually being heated. It's worth noting that a proactive approach, such as charging the vehicle at home and storing it in a garage, could prevent such incidents. Alternatively, opting for a hybrid presents an intriguing solution. Hybrids boast double the range of Internal Combustion Engine (ICE) vehicles, and the gas engine can act as a generator, not only warming the battery but also charging it. Regardless of technological advancements, the fundamental truth remains: batteries must be above freezing before initiating the charging process. A suggestion for future improvements could involve implementing an automatic precharge conditioning mechanism, gradually heating the battery when temperatures hit around 40 degrees. Considering this, it might be wise to commence recharging a bit earlier, acknowledging the role of thermodynamics in battery performance.

[@niceboy60]

They Keep pretending cold 12v Batteries is a Issue on Ice Cars It's not 😵‍💫😳 1- It takes 1 minute to Jump Start one 2 - A compact modern Jump Starter which fits in your pocket costs 30 bucks 3 - if you drive a Manual you don't actually need a Jump Starter if you are on inclined road, let the car roll up or Down than take your foot of the clutch in gear and the engine will start

[@-Muhammad_Ali-]

My car needs to be pushed down the slope and it will start just fine in second gear. Manual 😅

[@roadrunner734]

Are you nuts lady! Gas vehicles have NEVER had an issue in harsh cold weather.....unless you don't winterize it. (Put antifreeze in your radiator). Your nuts. You winterize your vehicle......you'll be good.

[@df6580]

Oh really? Cold weather doesn’t care where it happens. Bottom line, this is not a reliable vehicle. Stay with gasoline vehicles they still work in cold weather. Sweden is a small country, have they solved the problem when charging at home to avoid an EV fire.

[@adroharv5140]

more expensive, more danger potentially due to battery, unable to compete with traditional cars in so many ways, battery is less effective in cold, battery has only a certain lifetime which sees it lose it's original potential with each year, takes an age to charge them and then you have to find a charger which might be very inconvenient, costs a fortune and insurance for a damaged battery requires you replace the whole battery which is prohibitively expensive as is the car itself compared to a traditional vehicle. Yeah these vehicles wont be with us for much longer no matter how much they try to push them

[@engineeringtheweirdguy2103]

So so very much if that is wrong. You do know google exists right?

[@Finnador]

The typical American 'corporate mentality'; when it comes to making a 'fast buck' always 'leap before you look'.

[@menguardingtheirownwallets6791]

Two year old, $50,000 Hyundai EVs requiring $60,000 new batteries after hitting a bit of rubble on the road, and now we find out that a lot of EVs won't even work when we get a massive cold snap (which happens once every few years). Makes me wish to keep buying gasoline-powered vehicles for the rest of my life.

[@gundamnduke0]

serves you right for hopping on the EV bandwagon

[@sandyhaggerty3963]

Byedens failed science project 🤦

[@jccepicfamilyfun438]

Norway has a population of 5.4M. The number of EV's in the US us 2.4M. No, we don't need to strive to be Norway. Aweful comparison.

[@kcff343]

So much to do and remember, you know what when I see Low indicator on Gas I go to gas station and in 10-15 min I am out there 😂 don't need to pre condition or post condition.

[@phillyphil1513]

re: "you know what when I see Low indicator on Gas I go to gas station and in 10-15 min I am out there". "CRAZY TALK...!!!" 🤣

[@pierrearnoldiii]

so many people here with no experience with electric cars claiming to be experts.

[@SwedishMeattball]

nice try blaming the people when charging stations failed

[@EagleEye-MJG]

Help me to understand what has been happening with the SAME batteries, in the past 8 years.....that was 'New" since last week? Did we all just now find out about COLD & RECHARGEABLE?

[@tw8464]

Exactly. Looks like they're probably a lot of Uber/Lyft drivers at these Chicago charging stations and more demand to charge. The Uber/Lyft drivers are running out of charge more quickly because of the business use, and everyone is trying to charge at same time because of the cold snap. So there are some that are running out of juice.

[@tw8464]

Some are trying to portray this as some completely damning indictment of electric cars when it's more likely something else actually. Not enough charging stations in a big city with lots of business usage of electric cars, more apartment users and more demand for the charging stations than other areas.

[@Unknown-sh8kw]

New ?? # of Evs causing issues

[@Johndozer]

We should all know enough by now that EV tech is not ready. If you spend that much extra money on this unproven, dangerous technology you might not be all that smart.

[@arkcon714]

It does damage the battery, your cell phone can just be put in your pocket so that’s a silly comparison

[@kingjames8283]

Well the good news is my gasoline Ford F-150 is doing just fine. I fueled up over a week ago prior to the snow storm and arctic cold arriving and it's still doing good. Had to go into town a few days ago and that little 12-volt battery was extremely cold but the engine still started and I made my trip so all is good. Saw a news report that many EV's were stranded and abandoned on roads and highways while petrol vehicles just keep on going and going apparently oblivious to the cold and snow. It's a good feeling knowing when I put the key in the ignition, it's going to fire up and take me where I want to go without needing to stop and recharge for hours upon hours at a time if it does so at all. I'm sold, petrol vehicles are the better choice for northern climates.

[@thebignewfie]

The vehicles are fine, they are too cold to super charger. Regular charging is fine, just not Super chargers because around 1300kmh - 1500Kmh an hour is flowing into that battery. If the Tesla shows up cold super charging won't work. You'll need regular charging at home.

[@M-1ne]

Moral of the story: have home charging

[@MrLeo625]

I don’t think dealership are telling the consumers that, they just want to sell sell and sell.

[@hybridPeople358]

We will NEVER be like Norway. The business people and the government will make sure there are two charging classes. One for the rich, One for us. And ours will keep costing more and more every year.

[@onlineoffgrid]

here we go again... i am in canada -39 driving a tesla everyday driving 175 mile a day ....

[@muhlenberg2608]

If it says 50 percent charge when you park it on a below zero night, it will say 25 percent the next morning.

[@craigarnold1212]

The issue was four fold. Often people were waiting up to 5 hours to charge. This means that any BEV is going to have cold batteries that need to be heated by the time they get a turn. That adds to the time it takes. Another part was owners of cars with Lithium Iron chemistry who live in apartments and rely on charging stations. These drivers want to charge up 100% rather than 80%. That means if they started with a 20% charge and go to 100% it takes twice as long as it takes to go to 80%. Making wait times longer. Plus many do not know Lithium Iron batteries have to be above freezing to charge. When they have very little reserve power they have to use the charger to supply the power needed to warm it. That is about 3 to 5 watts. New owners of this type would see that and think something is wrong with the charger. I saw people interviewed by other news station in your area and heard such comments and they thought that the chargers were broken after getting the same results with other chargers. Given the temps at the time it takes about an hour to heat it to where it will charge. People just left there car blocking the charger not plugged in. Those were towed. Some chargers did fail but not enough to have been a major contributor. But there was one large issue found by Kyle of Out of Spec Review [youtube] who flew in and asked questions of people he could find trying to charge. Some Uber electric drivers seem to have organized and were hogging some of the charging stations and not letting others get in line. The demand for Uber rides during the storm was huge and this contributed to the issue. Kyles take was that maybe Uber needs its own charging stations. By the way there were some gas pumps that froze. I am told by people who live in the area that it does happen during storms like this one. But I guess that is old news not new news.

[@EstherMoffett-d7h]

You mean people do not know that batteries lose charge in the cold? When I buy gas at least I get to use it.

[@silvy7394]

You act like your ICE doesnt loose range in the cold, too. Assuming it even starts.

[@EstherMoffett-d7h]

@@silvy7394 lose not loose.

[@suedewuede9341]

ICB doesn’t lose range in the cold.

[@EstherMoffett-d7h]

@@silvy7394 My wife drives an 09. She was parked at work for 10 hrs. last week in 2 degrees F and her car still started. ICE cars only fail to start if they are improperly maintained. Electric cars do not start in the cold because of a flaw in the technology.

[@SokemRokemRobot]

@@silvy7394 If the ICE loses range, it's only because it sat there warming up for a few minutes before driving it.

[@merovingian688]

Tesla needs to update their stations to tell drivers the status of the location. How many chargers are open at a site. The cost per KWh.

[@JogBird]

how about i stick with gas and not worrh about range or cold weather

[@Truckasaur]

Exactly. As a normal gas powered car owner I don’t have to worry about preconditioning, charging times, how much gas I can put in my gas tank without reducing the capacity of the gas tank, trying to find a gas station, Worrying that the gas station will be functioning, worrying about how the temperature is going to affect my range and my charging speed, etc. etc. etc..

[@pete6705]

Biden says you have to buy an EV

[@Hannashema]

The problem is that Tesla is responsible for testing these vehicles before release for sale ....🤑they love the money 🤑💰 but they don't care what happened with the people?😮

[@johnsnowwww]

I'll stick with my ICE automobile, thank you very much!

[@Sidicas]

Only 20% of the energy in a gas powered car goes to drive the wheels, the other 80% of the energy is released in the form of heat in the engine. In cold climates, that is very useful to thaw yourself and your car out!

[@logictheorist]

The only experts posting here on how bad owning an EV is don't actually own one. Those who do like me can see that their car is the next evolution of the automobile. If cold weather is a game ending situation for EV's then why are 80% of all new car sells in Norway EV's? Keep in mind this is a country that has a substantial portion of it's territory above the Arctic Circle. In spite of Alaska being an major oil producing state with some of the worst support for owning an EV due to oil industry lobbyists and oil industry subsidies per household, Alaska has over 2,500 EV's. Why is that?

[@gregyohngy]

CBS missed the basic point. The owners unable to charge had no chargers at home and they expected only to use Fast DC chargers. Here's the reality. Chicago has Uber and Lyft EV drivers without home chargers. Yes, those drivers lease the Teslas and Chevrolet Bolts. As a former Uber and Lyft driver, I know the drivers are low income in general workers that tend to be renters. I saw the same thing when I also was a Cab Driver. CBS and most other media missed the basics causes that I described. I have an EV and had easily 3 locations in the Philly area to charge my electric car today. One was a Grocery Store, another was a ExxonMobil gas station, and the third was a hotel. I used two of those three FREE EV chargers tonight, since we are expecting a snow storm and Cold Weather a day later!

[@tw8464]

Exactly these "news stories" are all about a few charging stations in Chicago. It's ridiculous

[@GOAP68]

I'm old enough to remember "fuel line freeze up." Experienced car owners knew to make sure they had a full tank of gas when temperatures were about to drop. Otherwise moisture from the air in the tank would precipitate, form ice crystals, and your car had to be towed to a warm garage. People forget there were a lot of issues that had to be solved in the ~150 years of internal combustion engine vehicle development. We can't expect EV to solve all of theirs in a fraction of the time.

[@gregyohngy]

@@tw8464 , Do you live in Chicagoland or own an Electric Car? No and No! The Suburbs of Chicago are not Chicago! Charging at Level 2 Chargers were available, but you wouldn't know, since you don't drive an Electric Car. You can charge Electric Cars at a regular 110v outlet, but again you are showing your lack of knowledge. Spreading lies based on ignorance is not acceptable.

[@gregyohngy]

@@GOAP68 , Correct about moisture! Today, ethanol is added and prevents the use of HEAT Methanol needed to be added to your fuel tank. I own an EV. Remember how a battery can't start a gas engine in extreme cold weather? It also can't start an EV, but even lower temperature. Use a plug in battery heater or bring your battery indoors. Duh!

[@jimsmith2005]

I will stick with my hybrid Prius @ 50mpg with no issues in the cold. On warm weekends at the beach, then my topless Wrangler.

[@florin26balalau]

Tesla's are still my favorite and I don't mind dragging a generator behind me😂❤❤❤

[@pierrejeanes]

U can fill your tank in 2 minutes 😅 before freeze 🥶

[@garygable4170]

It's also that the charging stations wouldn't work under those cold conditions. If you think EV's are a great idea, you are as demented as Biden.

[@Thyalwaysseek]

But their meme lord is a genius.

[@phillyphil1513]

not Biden but DEMENTED AS ELON...!!! Biden didn't build the first Roadster, or later the Model S in 2012.

[@anthonymartinez4307]

Imagine if this isn’t even the problem? What if this cause permanent damage and you need new batteries? These vehicles are not or better yet never safe for cold weather.

[@erich84502a]

When chargers freeze its a problem yet we know battery problems on phones, tablets, laptops, electric shavers but we buy evs anyway

[@smc419]

Most of the issues are learning how to deal with cold weather with an EV. Out of Spec Podcast did some great reporting on what caused the issues in Chicago. Most of the people were Uber/Lyft drivers with cars Model 3 Standard range, these have one motor the other versions have 2. The importance of this is that the motor is used to warm up the battery and with one motor you have half the heat generation. Also if you show up without first preconditioning the car, the car may take hours to charge, just precondition prior to getting to the charger. Also if there is a line at the charger the precondition may turn off, turn it back on by navigating to the changer.

[@Thyalwaysseek]

They're an absolute joke.

[@Truckasaur]

Yeah, I can hear the Looney Tunes soundtrack playing in the background

[@rudypieplenbosch6752]

Sounds like a good idea an extra engine to heat up the battery, where can i find the patent office ?

[@tjheinlein7379]

Trump 2024 Biden agenda is a joke

[@rc-st9pg]

Also know that when you charge it up at a gas station ur charging it with a diesel generator. Which is pretty fkin hilarious if you ask me.

[@leok7193]

Charge it at a gas station? 🤦‍♂️ Yeah, not how that works bud

[@davidcarlin3850]

Recommend they get an opinion from a real electrical engineer. This person clearly knows nothing about lithium ion batteries

[@northwestlife_9]

Gaslighting 101. The truth is, ironically, an ICE does better in freezing temperatures.

[@boybabyboy29]

I find it more convenient to change my car at home off-peak hours 12:00am to 6:00am

[@bird271828]

Tesla should specify that range takes a hit in cold weather.

[@PassportBrosBusinessClass]

I have a Cadillac Lyriq all-wheel-drive. I haven’t experienced any problems with it because here in New York City we don’t have extreme heat or extreme cold. Even at 20°F I don’t lose very much range from having to heat the cabin or from the battery having to condition itself. The problem I see, however, is that many of these charging stations are unreliable. The EVgo charging stations that I’ve tried to go to have either of them occupied or not working. Meanwhile, the Tesla superchargers are seeing record numbers of users, because Tesla recently had a record amount of sales. We need more public superchargers and Tesla needs to hurry up and open them to the public.

[@Jerryd2713]

This is what we call public damage control. Trying to calm everyone down because they just got ripped off. Cause now they can't drive their cars in cold temperatures.

[@phillyphil1513]

re: "This is what we call public damage control. Trying to calm everyone down because they just got ripped off."

[@shaunmaxwell9948]

How it spends to charge your car at home

[@alanking6173]

a new battery for the electric Ford pick up is 30,000 dollars to replace

[@dachautv]

Norway has a very small population compared with USA and very cheap electricity.

[@js-wq6zy]

Government owned oil production and utilities.....they have a real government of the people , for the people, by the people. Norway is basically what Americans of the 1950s,60s,and 70s dreamed America would become, instead they got the nightmare of reagonomics, constant war and trump

[@phillyphil1513]

re: "Norway has a very small population compared with USA and very cheap electricity." exactly, many who are "baby young to the world" are WAAAY too quick to make a comparison between 'Murica and Norway, and in their "haste" what they actually end up making is a FALSE COMPARISON. yeah, as any mature adult with life experience already knows, FOLLY HAPPENS whenever you set an *Apple* next to an *Orange* and then simply "point" at them.