What's Happening With Starfield From MrMattyPlays - Luke Reacts

[@orbit1894]

Imagine a space game where exploration is the worst thing in it. Amazing game design.

[@Kimkong2]

Right? and then have people defend it by saying stuff like "its dumb to expect to explore a planet" . Like we aren't the ones that marketed that idea, they did. It's almost like how someone can borrow money and say they will pay you back in a week but act offended when a week goes by and you ask them for the money. They act like you are rushing them.

[@Virtual_Sphere_]

I agree.. however, more big cities should of been a thing.. they have humanity scattered throughout the universe and hardly any of it has settlements. Humans build since the start of time. There should be more towns, cities etc.

[@JamesThomas-wf6qm]

That’s what killed the game for me. The lack of exploration in a Bethesda game… sad, sad stuff.

[@arthurtwa]

Imagine a space game with barely any sci-fi element on it.

[@AIIEYESONME]

Mass Effect had the same type of exploration in their space game. Bc it was an action adventure game set in space. Starfield is a story based RPG set in space. The fact that I have to keep explaining this obvious fact is a real red flag for Public Education.

[@tlevs7621]

What’s sad is that I don’t feel underwhelmed exploring planets I literally feel annoyed having to go to them and the process. Exploration feels like the worst part of this game and it was supposed to be the focus

[@JahonCross]

Going back to mass effect had better exploration that was simple and fun to do

[@smokedbeefandcheese4144]

I feel like one of the main problems was the marketing department hyped up that this was supposed to be an exploration game. But the developers were clearly just making a Bethesda RPG. I think the game has a lot of narrative and Ludo dissonance where the gameplay in story don’t lineup at all. With the tone of the game. What they wanted to sell was Way different than what they wanted to make

[@RichardPhillips1066]

I began to dread doing anything, cause I was sick of the loading screens , eventually I just couldn't be bothered, I mean I didn't like any of the characters very much , boring nice people

[@weplayvrgames]

​@@smokedbeefandcheese4144 a bethesda RPG normally involves fun exploration tho........

[@Timbo360]

This is why I prefer immersing myself in a city like Neon or Akila and doing the many missions offered that don’t require you to leave the planet. Only have to worry about loading into certain stores and areas. Edit: to add, all I wanted out of Starfield was a new FPS-RPG that was more open ended compared to Outer Worlds, so I am perfectly fine with the game as is.

[@sho9585]

starfield is a good game if you havent play any games for the past 10 years definitely a contender for 2013 GOTY 💪

[@TheEnderPearl]

snorefield

[@KratosisGod]

@@TheEnderPearl literally in my case 🤣

[@miguelvillaruel7667]

😂

[@53knights]

Is it better than Dragons Age Inquisition?

[@miguelvillaruel7667]

@@53knights 😳🤣💯 that game was awesome!

[@arturius9715]

After playing games like Baldurs Gate 3, Cyberpunk 2.0, and Witcher 3, it's unacceptable what Bethesda has been releasing. The most fun I've had out of one of their games is a heavily modded Skyrim, which is pretty great

[@KratosisGod]

Ngl for me Bethesda has reached the same level as ubisoft they make the same game over and over again with a different skin and refuse to change anything that would actually make it stand out.

[@daizenmarcurio]

Starfield made me realise that the only thing Bethesda is good at is making amazing and immersing worlds that are fun to explore and are pretty much mediocre to trash at nearly everything else like characters, combat, quests etc. Starfield took the one thing they were actually good at which made me come to this disappointing truth

[@JWalters388]

@KratosisGod What's funny is Bethesda barely release new games, and when they do, it's still comes out crap.

[@ElijsDima]

Yeah. Cyberpunk 2.0 PL and Baldur's Gate 3 both coming out around Starfield was a deathblow. Cyberpunk is a massive technical and graphics improvement, and BG3 kneecaps most other RPGs with decent writing, making Starfield look so so so much worse and dilettante-ish.

[@bond0815]

Same. Though heavily modded fallout 4 was also pretty nice. But yeah, I am sure Bethesda at this point only keeps using the outdated creation engine just so modders can fix and improve their games for free. I dont have any hopes for Elder scrolls 6 at this point.

[@maximilianoramirez9489]

No matter what, being a fan of a corporation will always be weird af.

[@trenaceandblackmetal5621]

CONSOOM

[@InfamousOne158]

So I take it you don't watch sports then?

[@igweofart]

Nothing wrong with being a fan of a game corporation. If they make good product, you can be fan. A lot of people are fans of Fromsoftware cuz their games are great. The problem arises when you meat ride and glaze the corp and act like they can do no wrong like Bethesda fans

[@daizenmarcurio]

But when someone's a fan of fromsoft, you'd have no issue lmao

[@aweirdwombat]

​​​​@Westcoastrocksduhthat's not how that works. I can be a fan of food but still hate the chef who made it. By your logic you're a fan of sweat shop labor because I'm willing to bet you have some clothes you love that were made in one. Most people do. It's weird you'd run such flimsy apologia for corporate fandoms.

[@JustaKeven]

Idk why people were saying it’s going to be game of the decade it was barely game of the week.

[@daizenmarcurio]

The hype was insane lmaooo. People were saying BG3 had to move up so they could avoid clashing with starfields release only for BG3 to completely eclipse starfield in popularity and acclaim. Then CP 2.0 comes in shortly after and eclipses starfield with popularity and acclaim lmao.

[@weplayvrgames]

​@@daizenmarcuriothe hype was also fake alot of us were pointing out the short comings but there was an audience of blind bias that shouted louder

[@daizenmarcurio]

@@weplayvrgames imma keep it real, i fell for the hype. Their marketing was on point, they come from the approach of "you can do and be anything/anyone" and although it's slightly true, when you actually play the game, you realise the gameplay, systems, mechanics, everything is shallow AF

[@YouTubeHandleEtc.]

Game Awards mean nothing to me, but honestly with the absolutely stacked year we've had, Starfield shouldn't even be nominated for GotY

[@steffithemad8327]

This is a based, true opinion and I hope you don't get hate for it. Starfield is the worst Bethesda game I have ever played ( didn't play Fallout 76 ) and Morrowind was my 1st Bethesda game.

[@Anonymous-st3gy]

Yeah man Jedi survivor, Baldur's gate 3, Zelda, Spiderman 2 and maybe armored core 6 should be the contenders (no remakes included)

[@wardvandecotte9253]

@@Anonymous-st3gy Do not underestimate Alan Wake 2, it has great critic/player reviews. Anyway, nothing comes even close to BG3 this year (and perhaps the following years)

[@Anonymous-st3gy]

@@wardvandecotte9253 How many contenders can be there for goty??

[@wardvandecotte9253]

@@Anonymous-st3gy I guess 5 maximum 6

[@g8trdone]

I've been a BIG Bethesda fan since Oblivion. Fallout 4 was my first disappointment and its been downhill since. For what its worth, Starfield cured me of any ES6 hype, or even hope, at all.

[@jondoe3812]

Know just what you mean bud

[@knavenformed9436]

Some parts of Starfield actually got me more hyped for TES6 If they just take all the good dungeon design and condence the experience to a smaller map it will feel a lot better. But that's just if they don't fall down the watering down rabbit hole once again

[@g8trdone]

@@knavenformed9436 all the simple stuff, that they don't do. The writing used to be fun, now I don't want the companions anywhere near me. The entire game is soaked with insufferable ass hats due to modern writing being pure shit and forced association bull shit. Especially for an RPG.

[@knavenformed9436]

@@g8trdone Oh yeah the writing definitely needs another writer overdosing on psychedelics alone moment for it to make any impact. It was so funny how the Hunter in Starfield was the "evil" option when dude was just the most honorable and straightforward dude in the galaxy.

[@g8trdone]

Where do these people come from, why do they think they're writers, who HIRES them?

[@sharteel85]

Fun fact: people used to tell that "you need to play for X amount of hours, then it gets good" My experience: the more I play the more issues I have with the game and the lower the score I'd give it gets XD

[@deathmetalcakefarts2751]

@goosepapoose8666 absolute gigachad observation looking at the game through your lens makes everything click for me I finally understand why the game is the way it is thanks to you 👍💎💎💎

[@GetAwesomeGaming]

Starfield is a concept that should have been scrapped early in the development process. Whenever I think about the game I keep coming back to the Ian Malcom quote from Jurassic Park "your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should"

[@TallDarknGruesome]

it could have been a good game if they had picked one of the two concepts they had and stuck to it. #1 - earth society has collapsed, humans have scattered to thousands of hard scrabble settlements on rocky worlds that are barely making it. (Rust in Space) #2 - Post Terran galactic social war, pick a side (smaller number of settled planets with multiple major hubs and satellites per world and solar system. Pirates and conflict between techno and religious cults keeps threatening to tip anything over back into open conflict) Also - the whole post game loop of finding alternate universes, is honestly the most interesting thing they did, it should have been a more fully explored facet of the main story. (instead its just a single gag scene per loop and a free pile of artifacts)

[@daizenmarcurio]

Starfield made me realise that the only thing Bethesda is good at is making amazing and immersing worlds that are fun to explore and are pretty much mediocre to trash at nearly everything else like characters, combat, quests etc. Starfield took the one thing they were actually good at which made me come to this disappointing truth

[@Naruku2121]

Exploration really does carry Bethesda games, Hell you could even give 76 a passing grade in how the world looks to explore. The fact that you can legitimately give 76 a passing metric compared to Starfield and say it with a straight face is wild. Even if it is in just one aspect.@@daizenmarcurio

[@peterd9698]

Im guessing you are primarily referring to "Combining an RPG with 1000 procedural worlds" Is this solvable? I dunno. But it should be something you establish you have a solution to very early in development. To me, the presence of instanced bases without even procedural variation points to a bizarre failure of game design at a very high level in the company. It is honestly an interesting problem and one of the main reasons I have been following all these reviews.

[@lukastemberger]

​@@TallDarknGruesomeScenario #1 will probably happen in Horizon 3. I'm very curious how they'll handle it, but I really think we'll go into space, at least for a little bit.

[@ioannispoulakas8730]

Personally I went into Starfield with an open mind and it seemed to work for me for around 25-30 hours. I am a massive space geek and the fact that I would go into any planet even if I had to use quick travel and only land onto a specific generated tile, made me want to play. I spend most of the time just exploring random planets and doing some side quests. But after, as I said, 25-30 hours the space magic fades because you get to the point that you start to encounter the same exact points of interest. Same loot, same enemies, same lookpicks, etc. So you don't fancy exploring anymore. And what's left? A very bad and boring main quest, some sides quests though are indeed good but having to quick travel every time breaks the immersion. And then there are the other problems that slowly are starting to frustrate you a lot. Practically no map and the fact that the game feels so old in its design (the camera angle in the conversations, the awful npcs, etc) are so annoying and after the space magic is lost you don't have something to grab on, maybe except for some interesting side quests. But sadly that alone is not enough.

[@mraso30]

I surprisingly put 80 hours into it, but the last 30 hours were a slog.. I still haven't beaten the main quest nor the Crimson Fleet questline, but I did do basically everything else in the game worthwhile.. I can't bring myself to beat those quests right now... One day probably, but I got too bored by hour 80 to care.

[@lvlndco]

Same thing happened to me. It was quite the slap in the face to encounter the same buildings with the same dead NPCs with the same names, notes and log entries, and the same number of hostiles in the same places the same chests and clutter in the same places.

[@beetlejuice2725]

I used to think I was a big BGS fan, but I think I'm just an ES fan who also happens to enjoy Fallout 3 and NV.

[@Greaseball_gamer]

Same I love elder scrolls and enjoy fallout 3/NV . But I don’t like fallout 4 or Star field . Elder scrolls franchise is number 1 for me .

[@F34RDSoldier805]

The only EGS RPG I ever enjoyed was Skyrim. Fallout games have very boring environments. But I think it's the waseland theme that really doesn't do it for me in the first place. Just all empty and boring to me. There are some storylines in NV and F3 that I enjoyed despite that, but when it comes to walking around and exploring. Those worlds really put me to slep.

[@johnnyflannigan136]

​@@F34RDSoldier805Skyrim is literally the worst elder scrolls lol.. Besides the 1st one

[@F34RDSoldier805]

@@johnnyflannigan136 blah blah blah is all I hear

[@beetlejuice2725]

@@johnnyflannigan136 The weird thing about Skyrim is... It masks its shallowness pretty well, which is probably both it's biggest strength and weakness (in the end). I would agree that it's my least favorite ES title, but I've been playing it recently and it feels much more modern than Starfield in many ways.

[@1RED1]

My goal in Starfield was to build a massive ship. Did that around 20 hours in, and ran out of reasons to keep playing. So unfortunate especially because Skyrim and Fallout would constantly give you reasons to keep playing

[@KratosisGod]

The reason to keep playing in those games was exploration, in starfield exploration is so mind numbingly boring that you might as well watch paint dry.

[@thebaffman4898]

The reason to keep playing for me comes from the quests in the game. How can you play a game like this and don't care about the quests...

[@jrag1000]

I've yet to find everything in Skyrim.

[@jrag1000]

That's a huge chunk of what's missing from the game. Its lifeless.

[@brendandrummond1739]

@@thebaffman4898 bc the quests are trash 😭😭 ur a corporate errand boy for everything except the UC and Fleet. There are no consequences to your choices. You’ll realize how shallow it is going into your second playthru. You’ll only have fun the first time imo. Exploration goes hand in hand with it too, and you can’t find any cool quests by exploring except the one with the clones.

[@HickoryDickory86]

@46:28-46:45 = When Todd said, "Well, I just don't think our players care about that," he's basically confessing, "Why didn't we make something good? Ha! Our players don't have standards!" Sadly, too many Bethesda apologists are proving him right. And the rest of us keep suffering because of them.

[@TheMarcHicks]

I've read a *lot* of the Steam reviews for Starfield.....& the negative reviews I've read are coming from people who have put dozens of hours into the game. Unlike Metacritic, where people can review a game without owning or playing it, Steam & GOG both require players to both own the game and to have invested a least a few hours into playing. Which is why I trust those user reviews over the ones on metacritic, or even the profssional critic reviews.

[@joseijosei]

Same, but most negative reviews are there because of how bad the performance is, and not because of the game itself.

[@TheMarcHicks]

​@@joseijoseihave to disagree. The negative steam reviews I saw are frequently about how *dull* & *repetitive* the game is.

[@ummerfarooq5383]

​@@TheMarcHicksthe prerelease game was fully refundable

[@joseijosei]

@@TheMarcHicks You can find those, but that's not the majority of them.

[@vetreas366]

@@joseijosei Just opened the Steam page for Starfield. Here are the most helpful recent reviews (some impressions, not the whole things): 1. "The gameplay loop is very empty. It's almost entirely fetch quests that take you to uninteresting locations," 2. "At first it's mind numbingly boring, then for a few hours it picks up and wow you'll never do everything this game has to offer, then a few more hours later you realize you've done everything this game has to offer and all the points of interest are copy paste. " 3. "Not looking forward to TES6 anymore" 4. "The Biggest Release isn't the Best ... but For many hours I felt as disappointed as I did when Andromeda released. I actually grew to like that game and might even say that game is more "fun."" 5. "It took me 173 hours to finish the main story and faction missions, and there’s still a lot of stuff I haven’t done. Not bad. I’ll most likely add more hours when they release the DLC and the mod tools. The beginning was so slow and the game only became interesting after I started doing side missions, then I kinda got addicted to the point where I was thinking about the game when I'm not playing." 6. "The main story missions and the major faction missions are really good but unfortunately after finishing them the entire universe just felt empty." The kicker is that the last 3 of those are positive reviews. Number 3 is evidently irrelevant to the point but hey, it was there. Now for the most recent: 1. "1) Story is weak and shallow and not very creative 2) Side quests are boring and linear. Mundane even. Like get a plate, walk next door, swap plate for a gem. Quest done. Yipee -- not." 2. "Outside of that however the missions quickly get very samey / easy. Head to planet X, go to the mine / tower / lab / barracks kill a few bad guys, get to the main bad guy, kill him, collect a load of ♥♥♥♥♥, hit L, select next mission, repeat until bored." 3. "I really regret having spent money on THIS. Where are the patches to fix all the big issues??? " 4. "Worst of all though is the exploration. There are essentially zero areas to explore except for less than a handful of story areas." 5. "I have to say thumbs down to this game even though it is remarkable nonetheless. It just doesn't do what it sets out to do and that is to give the player the feeling of this expansive galaxy that you can free roam and do whatever you like. Basically you can skip space travel all together! You can fast travel between planets. So why build a space craft?" 6. "kinda wank, felt kinda empty from the get-go, menus felt clunky, got bored when i had to go through 3 loading screens to just to fast travel to a new planet, the only thing this game achieved was making me want to play Fallout 4 instead." 7. "It's just boring" Sorry for the formatting but I'm not putting in more effort than this for something you should be doing yourself instead of sitting here and saying "no, that's untrue, you lie" to what looks to be pretty accurate assessment of the general opinion on the game. These are 13 reviews. One of them mentions technical issues. I had to look for the most representative part of them, but they're Steam reviews, you can just check this yourself if you feel I'm misleading here. The consensus I could drudge up, even with people that would recommend the game, is that it's empty, boring (outside of the main missions for some, side missions for others) and very slow to start. This is just what I found on the first page. Maybe the majority isn't like this. It doesn't matter. Most people don't spend hours looking through Steam reviews, they check the first page and move on. This is the face of the criticism levied at Starfield. You don't have to agree with it, but please stop living in denial.

[@krookedvulture]

I have to be honest here ... I find it amusing that Matty's community and the Bethesda community in general are only just _NOW_ seeing the and acknowledging the issues ... everyone that saw this whole circus coming a mile off was called "fanboys" and "fearmongers" by these very same people before release.

[@daizenmarcurio]

Dude the starfield subreddit even banned player reviews lol. almost every day would you see a mass up voted post of a person venting their gripes or shitting on the game for its huge problems so they i think they realized if newcomers saw this, it would deter them from getting the game so they essentially banned general criticsm. At least you can still post criticsm but you gotta be hyper specific

[@scubasteve3032]

It’s because they are children or have the mentality of a child. Basically, shoe size IQ.

[@elitereptilian200]

do not underestimate fanbois high on honeymoon period 😂

[@TheRealBillix]

There’s a project that is exposing these ”AAA” studios

[@brandoncooper2909]

It's honestly just nice to see. I've started telling friends of mine that Bethesda is a AA studio that makes games at a AAA budget. So many of their games that have budgets and development cycles that are comparable to their peers and they feel so budget in comparison. I feel like a lot of the problem at this point isn't Bethesda themselves, but Todd Howard. It feels like he got really full of himself after Skyrim came out and dominated gaming for the better part of a decade, and at that point he felt that he'd cracked game development and that future games just needed to be "Skyrim, but _____". Fallout 4 = Skyrim, but with guns and mutants. Starfield = Skyrim, but in space and with none of the thrill of exploration. Starfield shouldn't have taken eight years to make, and Bethesda needs to drop the Creation Engine. After this fiasco, I've resolved that if future Bethesda games run on CE then I'm just flat out not buying it. The more people keep buying their games and then sitting back to wait for modders to fix it since Bethesda won't, the more Bethesda will keep pulling stuff like this.

[@Constellasian]

It's still mind-boggling the lengths many fans went to defend Starfield. It was clearly a very bland game and felt like it was from the early 2000s. Fans like this are reasons why companies like Bethesda keep getting away with releasing crappy games.

[@jrlterry]

@goosepapoose8666 Yes, most people are like this. This isn’t new. Always realize that if you’re complaining about a games quality on an online forum you’re almost certainly part of a vocal minority.

[@schizophrenic_AI]

A lot of them are just being drip fed hype and cope by people who have a monetary incentive. But if you look at Matty’s comment section, you’ll see how a lot of the consumers (who don’t need to stay in the BGS’ good graces to get early access review copies) are willing to admit (partial) reality when it slaps them in the face.

[@KratosisGod]

This isn't the worst game of 2023 but its definitely the most boring game I've played in 2023, I had to drag myself to finish it cause I bought it, safe to say I'm not going back anytime soon.

[@bigbalticbox]

Hopefully you've learned your lesson and are able to identify bombs better. I'm glad I pirated it. Couldn't even get through 2 hours of literally mind-numbing dialogue before I gave up on it entirely

[@KratosisGod]

@@bigbalticbox The only reason I bought this game was cause I wanted to play a new space rpg cause the genre doesn't really have that many games the most well known being mass effect but this game barely qualifies as an rpg and the space part is an illusion , not to mention the game I played before this was baldur's gate 3 which made it look even worse in contrast.

[@dark_winter8238]

​@KratosisGod BG3 and Cyberpunk pretty much ruined it for me with a splash of Star Citizen.

[@KratosisGod]

@@dark_winter8238 Forget about that, Kotor 1, yes a game released in 2003 twenty years ago has better quality writing than starfield.

[@joseijosei]

​@@KratosisGodWhy didn't you try it with Game Pass first?

[@krookedvulture]

45:28 Couldn't agree more strongly with Coffeefox and Luke on this one. Gary Whitta said _"day one release is only one step in a games development"_ during the Kinda Funny interview with Phil Spencer earlier this year, and nobody batted an eyelid. It's clear that these companies are trying (and succeeding) at normalising the process of releasing minimal viable product with (often taking your money beforehand via subscription) with nothing but promises that it will be better later. It's just a shame so many people are dumb enough to not even notice and happily participate without even thinking.

[@Sagan_Blandard20XX]

Destructoid gave this a ten...out of ten. Been pretty done with them for a while, but man, that sealed it. How in the world could anyone take them seriously at all after that?

[@treysmith1551]

Do yourself a favor and good the word Subjective. It’ll help you sleep at night.

[@aytony4090]

​@@treysmith1551You have to be brain dead to give Starfield a 10/10

[@johnnyflannigan136]

​@@treysmith1551youd have to have an IQ of 75 to give starfield a 10

[@treysmith1551]

@@johnnyflannigan136 I would never. That’s not my point

[@SPG8989]

it being subjective doesn't negate his comment. He is obviously done with them for their shit opinions on games@@treysmith1551

[@TacTar]

I remember my fart from 3 years ago than this game

[@Redroomjjgfd]

The side quest system is absolutely horrendous, you end up with 30 side quests from NPCs you didn't even speak with man.

[@jynxce]

Just imagine if Starfield actually released on its original release date 11/22 last year. I can't even imagine the condition it would have been in? The extra time was for polish, yeah right.

[@AfamKingo]

Probably yeah.

[@daizenmarcurio]

The fact that even todd was ready to release it at that time said alot. I think bro was done with the game and didn't wanna work on it anymore

[@Geraduss]

In all honesty StarField feels like a game that's had its development restarted at least once or twice, the game that we got could have been done in two years time. And they had like what? 10 Years?

[@necronomicon121]

Yep, I'm one of those people, playing Starfield sadly killed most of my excitement for ES6.

[@Ecthelion3918]

Likewise

[@oldcrook510]

Starfield insured I won't be buying anymore Bethesda products.

[@haxx1707]

Modders were able to put vehicles in fallout 3 a game using their older creation engine and the vehicles placed in that game weren't cheap either it actually had functioning physics sure it had some jank but it was overall still doable. Point is I don't think it's just their game engine that's limiting bethesda at this point I think bethesda themselves is the bottlenneck.

[@Naruku2121]

Honestly given the creative mods and things that have arrived in the modding communities and still gets rolled out like in Skyrim particular. It really does just seem like Bethesda is the limiting factor, not the Engine. Between Vehicles in fallout games, and the ability to turn Skyrim combat into some Darksouls or DMC wanna be and it actually looks fanatistic. I think it's Bethesda is holding progress back in their own games.

[@itsjusterthought7941]

You can't put vehicles into load screen hubs. The hubs are too small to be of any value because they have been created to fit into the limited RAM of the Series S. Fallout 3 was not a hub based game so vehicles are possible.

[@AIIEYESONME]

Being on foot is a pure gameplay design for enemy encounters and discovery and such. Let me spell it out. Bethesda did not want the players to vroom, vroom past all the enemies along with everything else and then tell the Internet that the game was too easy and boring and nothing to see. Now could vehicle combat be added or enemies armed with RPGs or level designed for slowing down vehicles or forcing players to get out for certain stretches and taylored enemy encounters be incorporated to their game? Yeah, ofc, but again it's Bethesda, it's their game, it's their winning formula and they pretty obviously do not want to deviate from that formula. Are people fatigued from that winning formula? Oh yeah, Bethesda seems to be too old, and out of touch, and all the original devs seem to be flush with MS buyout cash and too rich to give a shit about coming up with new game designs. Skyrim in space doesn't feel too accurate to describe Starfield, but Bethesda in space makes sense. I read someplace from another poster that Starfield feels in every way a vision that turned into a contractual obligation for those Bethesda devs after the buyout. I strongly suspect there is a lot of truth in that. Afterall Starborn is just Dragonborn in space and that feels so silly and lazy, you know when a Show or Movie franchise "jumps the shark"? Well we seen it now from Bethesda.

[@jimmiee5491]

Everybody knows what the problem is The problem is bethesda's engine they were trying to make their old ass engine do things that it couldn't do so they had to cut corners and that's why you got a whole bunch of loading screens they need to update their engine

[@Swolidarity]

The issue isn’t the engine is old, devs reuse and evolve their engines all the time The issue is the creation engine inherently sucks and has been buggy since the beginning. Either that or the devs Bethesda hires just don’t know how to use the creation engine and just hope that modders fix everything for them

[@markscott684]

nah engine is good , once modders get at it , theyd have been daft to not use creation with thousands of modders so familiar with it , theyve gave them a great foundation and lots of assets to run with

[@bigbalticbox]

The engine is not good. As the guy above you said, it was always inherently flawed. It *was* good, up until Skyrim. They should have stopped using it there and then.

[@markscott684]

@@bigbalticbox have you seen what people have done with Skyrim recently?, . That engine and the current iteration 2.0 are night and day , just wait and see what gets done this time with all the new tools people get to play with.

[@jynxce]

Watch upper management parachute out. ES6 if up next, and most will be gone instead of dealing with the ins & outs of a new engine if that route is taken. After Starfield, the base is going to be critical of anything running on their ancient tech.

[@TheBusbyBabes]

what annoys me most as someone who enjoys the game is that in two months since release we got three patches, that didnt really do anything in terms of performance and only added the fov slider out of all the things they announced they wanted to add. its so frustrating

[@Badger17805]

Yup, meanwhile the community added dlss, fov slider, better ui, better LUT mods, etc. within days of the game's release

[@NotKelloggsCornflakes]

Yup, did not enjoy Starfield but I did like Fallout 4. Every "update" to that game only added features which should have been present at launch, a DLC, and/or degraded the game performance. So at least you have DLC to look forward to, if Bethesda don't brick the game like they did with F4 on the Xbox One.

[@henkstols9326]

Yes I feel the same, really enjoy the game but it will take a back seat for now as there is newer multiplayer content available to play on Game pass. Will hopefully play once there is a big update and have time again to invest. Microsoft have spoiled us this year with new content but even something like Forza needs updates to fix issue's, which is seriously disappointing. The best launch for me was The Finals Beta and its slightly glitchy but very playable, enjoying this.

[@MisterK-YT]

And patched glitch ways to farm credits. Laaaaaame.

[@TheRealBillix]

Scammers

[@nspades]

Man ain't nobody trying to play no goddamn starfield now

[@joseijosei]

Way to much people for how old it is.

[@daizenmarcurio]

Starfield made me realise that the only thing Bethesda is good at is making amazing and immersing worlds that are fun to explore and are pretty much mediocre to trash at nearly everything else like characters, combat, quests etc. Starfield took the one thing they were actually good at which made me come to this disappointing truth

[@joseijosei]

@@daizenmarcurio They always were. They're not Obsidian.

[@SuperOfficial88]

Xbox & Microsoft shills force themselves to play it tho 💀

[@merksmovies25]

@@daizenmarcurio starfield combat is solid but bgs has had a rocky history with combat. But their quests have usually all been pretty solid. Every single fallout 3 side quest is a massive highlight. Theres some very good side quests in starfield as well as faction quests

[@addgame7961]

In Starfield, there are no game play differences between 50 planets and 1000+ planets because of how their planets generation works. You essentially has infinite landing spot on one planet as they reset and regenerate the landing spot as you remove the landing marker and place it again.

[@amethystwyvern]

Starfield is an example of Todd Howard's ego running unchecked

[@CBondPlay]

I'm sorry but come on, "this is some of the best bgs quest work" is an insane statement. Matty is a fantastic creator and overall positive ray of sunshine in the industry but this is clouded judgement if I've ever heard it. This game is so middling it's insane. Idk how todd howard has remained in his position, because he is not the right person to steer this ship. Then again, if money is all that matters I guess they can keep shipping games that are 10+ years out of date and it won't matter.

[@tev0tv]

Right. And comparing the factions to New Vegas....where you could kill anyone including leaders of said factions....even fallout 4 had better factions than this

[@daizenmarcurio]

Starfield made me realise that the only thing Bethesda is good at is making amazing and immersing worlds that are fun to explore and are pretty much mediocre to trash at nearly everything else like characters, combat, quests etc. Starfield took the one thing they were actually good at which made me come to this disappointing truth

[@olsonbrandon91]

They are probably 10 plus years out of date because they start making them 10 plus years ago and then release them 10 years later.. 😂

[@me5969]

He's America's answer to Peter Molyneux

[@GioPrimo]

He on bgs payroll

[@HickoryDickory86]

The name "Bruce Nesmith" ought to be familiar to anyone who's a fan of The Elder Scrolls and Bethesda. He was one of the few OG Bethesda boys lefts. He began his career there working on _Terminator: Future Shock_ and _Daggerfall._ He was senior designer of _Oblivion_ and lead designer of _Skyrim._ Even Julian LeFay, in his interview with Indigo Gaming, spoke very highly of Bruce and his programming skills. Unfortunately, the dumbing down of the gameplay/lore in _Skyrim_ is partially his fault. For example: He thought the complex religions of _Morrowind_ was too complicated for players, and opted for the Imperial pantheon in Skyrim instead of the old Nord pantheon and/or the ancient Nord totemic religion. He was mistaken. Part of what makes _Morrowind_ so alluring is its complexity (which offers built-in replayability). Another example: Bruce was the one responsible for implementing Skyrim's magic system.

[@daizenmarcurio]

Wasn't it emil pagliarulo that is responsible for the major dumbing down of modern Bethesda games? Fuck that dude lmao (obviously his work, not him as a person)

[@TheMarcHicks]

Of course XBox's most hyped exclusive for 2023 is going to do well on XBox in its first month....especially when its available for free on Gamepass. What is telling is that its Steam Player count has dropped from 350,000 in September to less than 50,000 in just 2 months.

[@tev0tv]

Definitely thought of this. That list didn't actually make it look good. It should be like number 1 or 2 being the most hyped xbox exclusive on a Xbox only list

[@jackshephard1693]

Steam user is reviews are probably the best implementation of user reviews that exist, I bought a lot of indie niche games because of the positive review. Also Steam doesn't include reviews from refunded games to the overall score and Steam has a graph above the review section on the store page that shows how positive and negative reviews have been distributed over time. They have pretty much all the information people could want available as long as people are willing to look for it.

[@iyziejane]

A typical negative Steam review of Starfield has 100-200 hours played, kind of funny how much people are affected by social bandwagons

[@kylio95]

@@iyziejane This is a ridiculous argument. Because if users had 1-40 hours you would just say “how can you review the game when you’ve barely played it and not explored all of its features” I’ve got a 113 hours in Starfield, i wanted to like it, I tried exploration, factions, outposts, ship building, until I eventually couldn’t be bothered anymore. I’ve not played it since 21st of September. I played it in hopes of getting better but it didn’t,

[@Nickulator]

It's honestly a blessing that Steam is so consumer friendly as it is. Valve has no obligation to be that yet they are anyway because they care. Can't say the same about Epic, Ubisoft, EA or anyone else that have their own storefront/launcher. Maybe GOG to some extent.

[@Benzinilinguine]

Wait, shouldn't they keep refunded reviews? I wouldn't want to own a bad game that i can refund. My voice should be heard when others seek a warning.

[@Ollv33]

@@Benzinilinguine my guess is, since steam's refund policy is "less than 2hrs played", they probably deem it unfair to judge a barely played game.

[@iggswanna1248]

starfield is the only bethesda game i played that i didnt want to get a 2nd playthrough. i am to this day still playing skyrim

[@cosmancho2959]

Jesus man.I was bored of Skyrim even during my first playtrought.The only good series from Bethesda is Fallout.Elder Scrolls is overrated asf.

[@The_Cold_Slither]

I feel that Starfield should have only had 4 habitable planets. A water and gas planets with bases on them. Mining colonies in asteroid belts. Pack content there, and throw in a few procedurally generated planets for whatever generic side quests.

[@johndeighan2495]

Yeah they should have scaled it waaay back. A solar system. That would have provided more than enough content. The massive scale actually makes Starfield a lot worse than it could have been k

[@ummerfarooq5383]

That's called Star Citizen. Meanwhile in starfield every single structure in the "cities" or building or ship can be entered into. There are no fake for show buildings.

[@olsonbrandon91]

@@ummerfarooq5383 uhh.. okay lol

[@ummerfarooq5383]

@@olsonbrandon91 are there any? Any fake buildings?

[@olsonbrandon91]

@@ummerfarooq5383 not sure, I feel like I've run into some areas I can't go into. But that doesn't really matter when it's all loading screens..

[@Thebuird]

I love creating a ship that I barely do anything with! I’ve spent hours making it look sick

[@Kimkong2]

Honestly the ship feels like a huge fast travel and loading screen gimmick.

[@cuoreflamante]

Only to reach new game plus and lose it forever!

[@Thebuird]

@@cuoreflamante lol, that’s madness. Do they give a warning?

[@cuoreflamante]

@@Thebuird they just say you will, without trying to spoil anything, start a new life somewhere else. But you basically lose everything just to start all over again. It's part of the main quest. You can not end up with an empty journal. You can do this step whenever you want, but for now, you will have to do it eventually, so everything you've built and collected is pointless.

[@Thebuird]

@@cuoreflamante sounds like they put a lot of work into making new game plus special. Versus just starting an actual new game

[@53knights]

I was stoked on Starfield and bought the early access. I played to the credits and haven’t touched it since.

[@arronstone177]

Same. I don’t even think I can be bothered to reinstall and play the dlc.

[@PyroChimp75]

What gets me is starfield started production 8+ years ago with a FULL studio and funding, star citizen started just over a decade ago with no team or studio and only 1 mill funding and they're making two games in tandem, their scope is twice the size of starfield yet have more to show than bethesda do!? This is a perfect example of 'the tortoise and the hare' analogy.

[@Ragingfalcon72]

when Matty says " Starfield shows of its weakness up front " I don't think he realized he basically listed most of what's to offer and how bad they are

[@iandorilnerevar]

Speaking of loading screens, as much as I like the city questing in Neon is a nightmare. Almost no quest there can be done without going through three or four transitions.

[@unbanmekoil]

You gotta figure out the fast travel. Never go to planet orbit, always travel straight to neon core, etc. lol.

[@x0Fang0x]

@@unbanmekoil still a terrible game design.

[@iandorilnerevar]

@@unbanmekoil no, I know about that. I'm talking about stuff like having to go from the core district to ebbside to the underbelly then back up to the core through ebbside.

[@zeroDOLLARg-Ro]

The shipbuilding is cool. The only problem I have it is WHAT THE F IS THE POINT OF BUILDING A SHIP!?? It would be nice if I had a reason to use it.

[@henkstols9326]

I unlocked the Mantis ship and it totally changed my game play as it has research stations on it, the size of the ship will also improve your loot you could sell. The LY are also important as it decreases the amount of time you need to jump from planet to planet. The weapons can also be upgraded to take down other ships, tyese are just a few things I noticed after qbout 60 hours.

[@Konfide4043]

Starfield is missing that charming, getting lost, discovery feeling that made Elder Scrolls and Fallout so interesting. The dialogue is completely skippable and bland. The story is boring. Theres no Bethesda charm to be found in this game no matter how hard you look. Time was spent making 1000 food items look good, obviously showing resources weren't delegated well at all

[@StaleFiish]

I played Starfield for an hour, and uninstalled it instantly. I found it amazing how Todd Howard has the nerve to tell his customers to upgrade their systems for their new game and yet it runs like shit on good systems. If he wanted us to upgrade out systems surely then we would assume we would need that power to not have loading screens. Also no one seams to be mentioning that Starfield isn't a graphically stunning game by any means.

[@mattcrazy7070]

Literally no Bethesda game is “visually stunning” that’s never been their MO, so expecting that is unrealistic. If you played 1 hour, you have no room to even talk about the game. I’m not defending the game, it’s got issues, but your take has no ground

[@bagelbomb1887]

I forced myself through 50 hours and it was bloody awful it felt like mass effect just with way more loading screens and without the amazing story and characters 😂

[@KratosisGod]

@@bagelbomb1887 So it felt like Andromeda 🤣

[@arronstone177]

Starfield made me want to go back and play Andromeda.@@KratosisGod

[@jamesalfredburchiii4599]

I’m in the minority of your fans that enjoyed Starfield. I got about 40 hours into it. I didn’t play any of the main story. I enjoyed my experience and quit while it was still a positive perception to me. Definitely had its problems but I had fun for what I consider to be a good run.

[@calebbonny8848]

Why would you not play any of the main content? Did you play the factions quests?

[@bagelbomb1887]

I think he realised the main story is so awful he avoided it and just treated it like a space sim/loading screen simulator at least he avoided the absolutely awful story 😂

[@hiddendragon415]

Yes there are elements that are good but the more you play the more you realize it's not just a lazy reskin of their super dated engine but the game balancing and difficulty progression is non existent.

[@thepathfinder11387]

@@calebbonny8848most players who play these Bethesda games never beat the main campaign to be fair

[@varoux4278]

You missed nothing on the main story except boredom

[@PortalPuddle]

My conspiracy of the “10 hours till it gets good” mentality is that they want that to go around because it gets people out of refund window 😂

[@izaksek]

The game doesnt deserve any more attention than it did ... dunno why its still a thing ... game is so painfully average

[@cozzy4447]

And what's wrong with average. Jeez are you one of them that wants AAA bangers everytime 🤦‍♂️ Starfeild is a solid fun game and with modding in the future it's gonna be something special just watch.

[@AdityaWaghmare]

@@cozzy4447 Jeez, talk about celebrating mediocrity. To each their own, I guess.

[@joelhess1436]

​@@cozzy4447yes we can expext this kind of games from one of tve biggest video game company that can put millions of dollars in every project and has houndreds of people creating their games. This is not a small indie company.

[@justablindman1443]

​@@AdityaWaghmarenigga, I'm sure your mom has celebrated something

[@mzergcampos1684]

Yeah is so average and outdated. Loadenfield has major issues story, characters, lack of choices, sponge enemies.

[@jeremyjohnson7676]

Todd is nothing more than a salesman. The kind of salesman who will butter you up and tell you the craziest things to get you to buy the car that's about to come out. Everything he tells you is 90% untrue and he convinces EVERYONE that the car coming out is the most incredible and amazing car ever built. He knows, of course, that the car is actually nothing special, and is in fact worse than any car that has come before. So what he does is all the worse, but how is it possible that he gets away with it every time? Because it works. If he did this in real life as a car salesman... the customers would sue him and he would never recover from it and never show his face again. EXACTLY THAT would happen. But on the Internet.... there he can stand on a stage and present himself like David Copperfield. And of course STARFIELD is dead. But that no longer interests Todd or anyone else at Bethesda. Because the car has sold as planned and exactly the profit they wanted to make has been achieved. That's ALL Bethesda has ever been about PROFIT. They are still laughing at every idiot who bought Starfield because they thought they were getting the ultimate SPACE ADVENTURE! Almost no development was put into this game, no love, no passion, NOTHING. It was crudely and cheaply produced. Maximum profit through the least amount of work. This is Bethesda. And they will do it again and again. Because it works.

[@MegaFlyingunicorns]

As a hardcore Bethesda fan I became deeply skeptical about the game the second it was confirmed that there wasn't going to be seamless transitions from space to the surface of a planet. I know that's a very difficult thing to engineer but still, it made me feel as though starfield wasn't going to be a proper space game and therefore was going to be mid, as the kids say nowadays

[@camraid9]

They didn't clearly show us the exact way planet>orbit>landing worked, as far as I remember. That was a bit deceptive. Glad I refunded it and I will be careful in the future.

[@MegaFlyingunicorns]

@@camraid9 God Howard confirmed that seamless travel from space to the surface of a planet was not going to be a feature in starfield long before the game was released.

[@juantsu2000]

@@camraid9Ummm…yes they did

[@camraid9]

@juantsu2000 clearly I said. They never showed the process fully.

[@camraid9]

@@MegaFlyingunicorns he just said, and we never saw it fully

[@me5969]

The fact he's got Mass Effect 1s them playing in the background, a game that came out in 2007 and still holds up better than Starfield in nearly every way doesn't do Starfield any favours

[@cpt.tombstone]

For some context for DLSS mods: DLSS Upscaling (Just the upscaling part, without frame generation) was added 1 hour 7 minutes after early access release by PureDark(for free) with 2 other implementations for different modders following shortly after. PureDark then added Frame Generation as well the next day. Since then, other modders integrated DLSS 3 properly in the game's UI as well, so you don't have to open a debug menu to change settings, it's already in the graphics settings menu. That later mod was released September 16th, so 10 days after full release.

[@Dr.UldenWascht]

"1 hour and 7 minutes". Jesus Howard Christ.

[@aeromorte]

Im relaly happy i found you Luke. A person who has some common sense. Who knew it will be so rare these days.

[@thedogoffaleash]

The load screens matter because they shatter immersion. I will always attest that the best way to play their games is without using fast travel (or limiting it to wagons only in skyrim for example). Starfield is a game *about* fast traveling. You HAVE to fast travel. There is NO seamless world, there's just a ton of empty bubble instances that you *fast travel* to. There is no journey, it feels faker than the literal cartoon world of FO4 because its obviously a video game. No immersion left. This is my personal darkest timeline for a BGS game in that regard. The worst part is, that for me, some kind of animated load screen of your ship jumping through space, or even just being able to walk around in your ship while jumping or landing would have been enough to keep me invested and immersed.

[@Kimkong2]

My biggest red flag in any open world is when they market the idea of exploration but have you able to fast travel from almost anywhere to anywhere. Heck even traversing with the ship feels more like fast traveling with a dynamic loading screen.

[@Joseph-wh5of]

That is Bethesda.

[@beige_projection]

So does that mean that what's really holding back Bethesda is not Creation Engine, but Todd Howard?

[@Naruku2121]

If you take Skyrim modding as an example then...Yes?

[@maesterdrew8606]

I bought an xbox just to play Starfield and genuinely had fun with it for a couple of weeks, but once I tried Baldur’s Gate 3, which is an absolute masterpiece, I haven’t thought twice about going back to Starfield. This is coming from someone who loves BGS games and played Fallout 76 for years. I would honestly put FO76 over Starfield and think their relative steam scores are congruent with how enjoyable they are.

[@ThatGuyKazz]

I think all that needs to be said is looking at the number of viewers that Starfield has on Twitch. Right now its 1k which is only slightly more than double what Skyrim and Fallout 76. So yeah... It has less than Ark Survival Evolved... not Survival Ascended which is the new version that just released and is basically just a copy pasta into Unreal 5 no, the original Arc Survival Evolved that released years ago. It's 4th what Star Citizen has which is really just playable concept art. It's being beat out by farming simulator. It is just ridiculous how fast Starfield has dropped off the map for a game that people where expected game of the year nominations for.

[@octavianpopescu4776]

I seriously doubt Twitch viewers are much of a metric. I play the game, but I've never been and will likely never be on Twitch.

[@Naruku2121]

It is a good metric at least in seeing if the game can draw a crowd. And if it's loosing out to Skyrim which is a decade old and 3 games removed removed from Skyrim in only a few months of it's release that is a sad state for it to be in even if that isn't the end all be all metric.@@octavianpopescu4776

[@TheNightquaker]

31:47 I dunno about the quest work and dialogue part... I had schizophrenic hallucinations that were more coherent than quests and dialogue in Starfield. They were certainly more interesting too!

[@AlmostSaDiK]

Me too man . My dreams are more detailed and immersive than starfield . That shit exhausted me in 8 hours

[@the4thhorseman840]

I waited 5 years for this game just to quit playing it after 5 hours.

[@bulbafett7414]

28:00 it’s almost like saying they need to build a chain of command structure that pretty much EVERY other company already has (Team Leads talk to supervisors, supers to managers, managers to executives, etc)

[@distinctbutter9075]

25:58. I was generally excited for Starfield. Not crazy hyped, but I was still looking forward to it. And while I had fun, I never finished the story or really got sucked in, but it did make me go back and replay the Mass Effect trilogy. So I can say that it brought me a lot of joy. Some directly but more indirectly.

[@UncleFiggy]

I got bored of Starfield while in Neon City so I quit the game and finally gave Cyberpunk a try. Let's just say, I love Starfield because it's mediocrity finally pushed me to play one of my favorite action RPGs

[@distinctbutter9075]

@UncleFiggy a win is a win. And Cyberpunk is amazing now

[@Ricardojmsl]

2 totally diferent games with just the theme in common ( space ). i´m a old SC backer and also got to the "end" of starfield. totally diferent games.

[@samdoehart1333]

I think the biggest thing holding Bethesda back is their continued insistence on using the same game engine they've basically used since their start as a company. Yes, its been updated significantly, but at its core it's still a decades old engine and has severe limitations as a result. They need to follow CDPR's lead and swap to Unreal, or else create a brand new engine if they insist on keeping things proprietary.

[@JustFun-ho6qy]

Starfield without loading times and slightly prettier visuals would suck almost as much as it does in its current state. I think the game design here is just fundamentally flawed. The kinds of systems, quest lines and narratives Bethesda tends to make just aren't compatible with a canvas as wide as Starfield's. Just take npc schedules for example: in Skyrim and Fallout Npcs go to work. At night they go to sleep. If you want to you can use sich an opportunity to steal from them or murder them silently. In Starfield, every shopkeeper or quest giver is wide awake 24/7. Probably because every single planet in the game has its own bloody timer and you'd have to spend half your time waiting for someone to get up. It's like all the various hazards you come across on planets. They probably thought it was a cool idea at first. Later they realized it would have been more annoying than fun and reduced the negative effects to such a degree they might as well not be there in the first place. Filling a world as massive as Starfield with meaningful content just isn't really possible as of yet. Bethesda tried anyway and face planted in the process. A different engine wouldn't have made much of a difference.

[@yodieyuh]

30k sample size from Luke Stephens, for video game topics. Meanwhile FOX, CNN, NYT, etc keep coming through with real life official polling group poll sample sizes under 10k, for future of the country topics.

[@camraid9]

Starfield is at 52% approval rating on Steam. Ouch. This game was pathetic. The writing, ugly globohomo characters.... Yuk.

[@CreateR900]

This was game designed and built a committee of 20 people all going in different directions with no sense of purpose and ending up going nowhere. The core problem is the philosophy of the company and their leadership

[@NerdDadGaming]

The writing in Starfield was my big gripe. You could tell that they were trying to explore these big philosophical ideas and those ideas just never really get fleshed out all that much.

[@stavrosg1113]

The load screens, creepy NPCs, whacked skill system, and inventory is a disaster. I returned the game. If you enjoyed it, great! But shilling from youtubers who expected it to do better for channel growth, were the most annoying thing!

[@solidsnake3962]

Bro it’s the opposite. Haters just to start a channel. If you like the game you’re a shill. The haters of the game are the most annoying people. It’s insane hive mind mentality. We just experienced this with CP2077. I love the game by the way.

[@TheMarcHicks]

​@@solidsnake3962oh look, a shill. I absolutelt love CP2077 (one of my top 5 games of all times), but I am not going to pretend that no mistakes were made, by CDPR, with the launch of that game. I can think of at least half a dozen things CDPR could and should have done differently 3-4 years ago, to ensure a better launch. I'd apply the same critique to Starfield.....except that that game lacks any real ambition IMO.

[@F34RDSoldier805]

Steam reviews aren't counted to the steam score if the reviewer refunds the game btw. I also read that reviews under a certain time spent in the game are also not counted, or counted less than if spent past a certain amount of time, but I'm not sure about that time. But with the refunds, they aren't counted. Even if you can see a review of someone who has refunded, it isn't counted into the overall steam score of a game. So the people who rated the game that score is the people who payed 60 to 100$. Make excuse all you want for the game, but that is the score that people who played the game on steam gave it overall.

[@TheMarcHicks]

Yes, correct. Both Steam & GOG have very strict rules for user reviews. So MrMatty's claims about that are rubbish.

[@Fergus-H-MacLeod]

I had to LOL at how you froze Matty's face. 😂😂

[@eugeneaubry4308]

Ya Matty is cool an all but he is fan boying a lot. For him to compare starfield to new Vegas is such a reach. The questing is not even close there are side quests with 7 distinct endings. There are 4 factions you can win the game for with various pros an cons along with moral dilemmas . The companions in fallout new Vegas are vastly more interesting even down to some of the ways they are recruited. There's way better exploration in New Vegas. I would put up with bethesda jank if the role playing is there. To me they are role playing games that happen to have combat. Why you play is for the immersion. Starfield has no immersion no impact of choice, only one faction can actually win the game an they all are boring goodie two shoes not even interesting goodie good guys. Starfield loses to new Vegas in every role playing metric possible.

[@bobbywrtm]

I swear to God, if Starfield even nominated as GOTY in The Game Awards, that means Geoff and his buddies are absolutely rigs The Award again like what they did in 2020 again... They have shilled for Sony in 2020, they'll gonna shill for Microsoft this year

[@user-it9go8fj2u]

I allowed myself to get super super hyped bought into all the trailers was so hyped that even though I had it free on game pass I’m upgraded $30 to the deluxe edition to play it early. Game wasn’t even worth the 30 bucks to me. But hey I am playing cyberpunk rn for the first time and I love it. 👌

[@McGriddle69]

I was hype for Starfield and in my personal opinion it lived up to my hype. I definitely don’t blame others if it didn’t. Essentially my dumb downed review: Fun Game, Does have some issues and can be boring at times. 8/10 game. It’s time to Old Yeller the creation engine, though. It just can’t keep up anymore.

[@Kasper0822]

The default ship is pretty crappy in my experience. At certain points it became a bother using it since space combat is just a stat check with no real way to outplay or outrun enemies. Went straight for shipbreaker and everything became a cakewalk. Once i leveled up piloting to actually use it.

[@maitiu6802]

Maybe you are just a bad gamer and your piloting skills are inept🤔

[@PandaCheeks]

Dude the dog fights on very hard were almost impossible the first couple of weeks 😂

[@maitiu6802]

@@PandaCheeks Excuses, excuses

[@maitiu6802]

@@PandaCheeks are you from the Panderverse by any chance ? 🤣

[@PandaCheeks]

@@maitiu6802 Not everyone plays it on Very Easy...🤣👌🔥

[@christopherarocha92]

This game was made to play for a long time. There are many skills you can acquire that makes the game more efficient and enjoyable. Too many are hating the game because you have to work for it rather than it just being given to you. Never was a Bethesda fan at all but this game is actually really enjoyable.

[@TheCephalus]

You need to know some things about the modding community. Just because we sometimes fix things in a day does not mean it is easy. Many of us have over 20 years of experience with roots in AAA development. Try to find any AAA studio where the majority of devs are like that; they are mostly filled with juniors and interns.

[@scubasteve3032]

I had suspected as much. Sounds like that is exactly what is going on at Bethesda.

[@iyziejane]

Modders also get to work on the aspects that interest/motivate them most, and don't have to burn themselves out on work they dislike, or spread themselves thin across a dozen of the game's different systems.

[@Gfp1995]

Yeah, however it's still pretty telling that a modder can fix a game in the amout of time it takes the studio to make a statement of apology about a broken game

[@NataliePine]

Plus it's perfectly acceptable for a modder to push out a mod that "works on my machine - YMMV". Maybe 90% of users have a great experience, but there might be people in the Nexus comments page saying things like "this broke my save" and that's just the way the cookie crumbles. Whereas before BGS can add the same feature, they have to test and fix (most of) the bugs and re-test etc because if *their* new version breaks saves or whatever then that's going to be all over the gaming media.

[@TheCephalus]

@@NataliePine yes, QA takes a lot of time. Especially for consoles as there is a "quality standard" you have to meet. Modders do not have to bother about that.

[@r.daneel.90]

To be fair with Bethesda, Star Citizen devs said that the implementation of upscalers like DLSS/FSR can broke their UI system and screen terminals (open development folks), so thats an issue they would need to solve before implementing those techs. MAYYYYBE Bethesda has some similar issues.

[@HickoryDickory86]

Shouldn't be a problem if the UIs/HUDs (which are 2D) were being rendered separately from the gameworld (which is 3D). Post-processing effects and upscalers could be applied to the 3D renderer only, leaving 2D UI/HUD unaffected.

[@Mythicalgoon]

What? star citizen is unreleased, they were just stating some issues they were having... that in no way validates bethesda for releasing a game without dlss when other smaller studios have released games with. Again, star citizen is in ACTIVE DEVELOPMENT, starfield is released

[@Mythicalgoon]

also, nobodies modded dlss into star citizen have they?

[@mistressminerva3382]

9:50 "Its not trying to be super realistic" - Actually Starfield is going for full hard sci-fi , with the sole exception being the Main Quest and its Starborn stuff which has a more softer take. But yeah if you ignore the Main Quest and go out and do everything else , you will realise that Starfield manages to stay within hard sci-fi limits very consistently. "Rovers or other Vehicles" - Funny i was on this one Quest from Lizzy and i had to get something from a derelict Legacy Deimos Ship , and that derelict Legacy Deimos Ship has a Vehicle Cargo Bay with dual ramps for Vehicles. You cant lower the ramps which makes sense in space , so its not animated and most vehicles you can find are also non-animated static objects. But since the Statics already exist , they just need to create new animations and a drive mechanic and ship modules ... so in Bethesdas speed this would take them only 6 years xD 24:00 "Hasnt anyone modded vehicles into Starfield yet" - No but you can use "The Frontier" Mod and drive cars or control mechs (with a different mod i forgot the name of) in Fallout New Vegas or Tale of Two Wastelands ... so engine restraints / limitations is just an excuse , this engine can do much more than people give it credit for. The devs at Bethesda just prioritize something else and dont put in the effort into the mechanics the players want , for whatever reason. "Gimme Space Horse" - Skyrims mount mechanic combined with the Xenosociology or Robotics Perk or a Starborn Power to let you ride tamed Alien Creatures or Hacked Robot Dogs , or let us buy them and add a Zoo (The Collector / Scavanger has a Zoo) and / or a Robotics Bay to the Ship Modules ... cuz Vasco at the beginning of the game says he stays in the Robotics Bay ... what Robotics Bay dude ? "Cinematic Camera" - I think Skyrim did it best by simply not forcing a specific Cinematic Camera view and just letting the scene play out while your there. Like remember the first time you reached Riverwood with Ralof or Hadvar and NPCs just talked with you and each other without forcing your face directly into theirs ? FO4 with the camera switching back and forth was terrible for immersion if you want to be in permanent 1st person view. Camera directing towards the player also dosnt make much sense if your Character isnt even voiced in the first place. The Cinematic Camera in Starfield is just forced to show off the facial lighting and the new fancy facial animations ... or to distract from the fact that NPCs barely have any Idle animations (also no day n night cycle) . So yeah just give the NPCs actual Idle animations and go back to how it was in Skyrim.

[@Mik3xcellence]

Todd not wanting to be the final say is a stupid move. He’s losing his edge, he’s supposed to be the creative mind. I really really feel he has wayy too many new employees and they just don’t understand the bgs vision.

[@brettpeacock9116]

Todd has been eaten by the Corporate mindset - it it 'costs' real money and development time, he is NOT interested - only profit-making will do.

[@tmbfreak_16]

The Stockholm Syndrome between Starfield and the people who accidentally played too much to get a refund is insane 😂

[@TotallyToonsTV]

The Hype Train will still go into overdrive for Elder Scrolls 6 even if the game turns out to be plain and average.

[@Greaseball_gamer]

Skyrim was average to me , oblivion was the peak of elder scrolls then it slowly went down hill from there .

[@TotallyToonsTV]

@@Greaseball_gamer I think I'm with you there.

[@Axterix13]

If Todd is about "How do we make X fun?", then how did the vendor credit cap and lack of maps in cities make it to release? Who thought melee weapons were balanced? What is up with all the companions having the same moral compass? And so on. As far as the travel time between points of interest, I personally don't think the problem lies with that time. It typically isn't that bad. The problem for me is more what the point of interest is. Ooh, it's a domed crater, with either a mineral pile or a dung pile containing nothing I want. It's some ecosystem thing, with one or two points for me to scan. It's one of the bases I've run a dozen times before, that I can find all over the place. The destination lacking value is why exploration is lackluster. There is no "WoW!" there, no "Here's an item with an effect that can only be gotten by exploring these PoI." So what's the point? Why bother? Especially if you intend to go NG+, and all of it will be wiped away anyway? I do think the gunplay in Starfield is kind of lackluster. I mean, it is adequate. But when I have played a lot of Warframe, well, that's what I'm going to compare it against, and it falls way short. And when a game has 8 years of development time, and they definitely can check out what can be done, well, they shouldn't allow their own gun play to be so inferior. The load screens thing... I think if you have a modern drive, it isn't a huge deal. Sure, seamless is way better, especially when you're loading into something like a small shop. But the load screens are fast. With a slower drive, then, yeah, it will definitely feel a lot worse. But as far as the future goes, more people will have those faster drives. Overall, for me, loading screens are on the lower end of the "problems Starfield has" list, though I can definitely see it rating much higher for people with slower drives.

[@RooksGambit360]

Hype can be fun. It gives you something to look forward to, something to be excited about. I was super hyped for Starfield, I could have taken a chill pill, or been more skeptical but why? Hype is fun. I did, however, remain open to being wrong so when it wasn't as great as I hoped, I shrugged and moved on. Nothing wrong with being hyped and excited, just temper it.

[@pracitus]

Hyping games these days is a waste of time

[@ibysdagon4659]

Problem is when 200,000 people get super hyped and pre order the game, the studio doesn't really need to even finish it. They get their money and they will also probably move on. Plus on the consumer side, getting overhyped can torpedo the games chances of getting q fair shake. Like look at Watchdogs, Cyberpunk, No Man's Sky, or 79. Not saying they where all good or that the marketing for all of that was honest, but peoples expectations went to hatred real quick.

[@tdmrebel9818]

why would they choose not to have brightness settings?

[@TallDarknGruesome]

Daggerfall: jank game with great story Morrowind: jank launch that turned into a great game with an amazing story Oblivion: amazing game that was quite possibly the buggiest major launch of its generation. Skyrim: great world, solid mechanics, as many funny bugs as bad ones, Story was kind of meh, but massively uplifted by the world and art. FO3: buggy, but other than the subways was an amazing game. FONV: was made by obsidian :) FO4: good shooter, great world, side stories are better than the core story and act three feels like it was written as a "oh shit this paper is due in the morning" type assignment. FO76: Crappy cash grab with outright lies for marketing. has taken over 4 years to turn into a slightly playable game, and lost the majority of the Bethesda fans on its way. Starfield: Makes my RTX3080 run at max fan speed to render 16 shades of taupe in a tiny room. Todd Howard needs to join Bobby Kotic in taking his Microsoft money and f'ing off into the sunset.

[@BourbonBiscuit.]

Can't teach an old dog new tricks

[@NavyBluePersonGuy]

Im just so glad that this game ISNT No Man’s Sky. No Man’s sky got so boring to me after like 15 minutes. Starfield is it’s own thing and I like that, giving me multiple planets with a barrier 40 minutes away doesn’t matter to me when I have so many storylines to play in between

[@NeekoFrmBR]

Facts bro 😎

[@jermex2352]

@@NeekoFrmBR factzzzz brothaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[@tincano-beans2114]

That you Toddy?

[@NeekoFrmBR]

Bruh I just had that moment when Pete Hines said he got on ship and it took I have Been playing since launch and that the first time it happened dude smoke everybody then stole the ship took it to new Atlantis to found out it had contraband on board lucky I got that bag and paid it off No man sky could never that comparison is not one that well hold up if your really really play starfield Luke keep sometimes but you can tell he doesn’t care for Bethesda games which is fine but he gotta stop the cap im not Bethesda die hard but for months straight I been play starfield might mix in a few game here and there but mostly starfield and don’t like fallout 4 I do love Skyrim though but do consider to be die hard he saying you gotta be Bethesda die hard to play starfield when that not true or a fact

[@lawrencehaynes6408]

Too bad most of the storylines in this game are bland, boring and forgetful 😂😂

[@endlesspivots1307]

They will add vehicles but they will have the same speed as walking on foot. If this happens I am gonna giggle so much!

[@dain6492]

If starfield had elite dangerous space exploration then the game would have been great

[@TheCephalus]

yes Hutton orbital, fun times.

[@daizenmarcurio]

How did yall get into elite dangerous? That game is hella difficult to get into

[@dain6492]

@daizenmarcurio alot of patience and I played coop with a friend for a majority of the beginning. The beginning grind when you have a shit ship is so difficult, alot of running away but once you get a decent ship it's fun as hell. I also bought a joystick which helped with the emersion.

[@maxbriggs2866]

One issue is that Bethesda only ever seems to want to compete with itself - which is an extremely low bar considering their tech is consistently 5-7 years behind - and not with the current AAA games being released.

[@oscarwestbrook1155]

Me being a PS5 user starfield made me get no mama sky, I’m 15 Hrs in rn and I love no man sky literally only loading screen is when you warp with your hyperdrive.

[@bigbalticbox]

NMS was surprisingly fun when I got it last year. It's unsual for me to sink 50 hours into a game within a month, but NMS was one of the few I did it with

[@brianjablonowski7583]

For vehicles, they could do 2 things. 1. Jet pack, a sustainable thrust that keeps you five feet in the air, being able to traverse in any direction. 2. Animal mounts like in Jedi Survivor. There should be space exploration. Anomalies in space and Black Holes. You spend countless hours upgrading and creating your ship for that once in a while dog fight that lasts between 30 to 90 seconds. You don't even need a ship, you can literally fast travel from one planet to another by fast travel. No sentient alien species. That's just a lack of imagination from the writers. The map is atrocious. There is no way to figure out what direction to go to. Here's an idea, when in orbit, your ship can launch a satellite that can map the area so you can get a map of the area.

[@1992zorro]

It just works !

[@wardvandecotte9253]

In fact if you all sum it up Starfield is the perfect example of what's going wrong in the AAA-industry.

[@kowaikokoro]

BG3 patch 4 did more for the game than bethesda did for starfield since launch... we're talking 1000 fixes and there are 3 more patches several hotfixes before patch 4 happend, yikes talk about lazy incompetent devs at bethesda.

[@_n8thagr8_63]

I've never cared about the load screen stuff. That's never been important to me. The lack of exploration in starfield is what killed it for me

[@ChaseSchleich]

20 years in the making and forgotten in a month.

[@chadhunt2487]

I think that since bethesda got away with fallout 76 they have realized that their fans will buy anything they release no matter how much it sucks

[@F34RDSoldier805]

People conflate stuff like "Fallout 4 was better than Starfield" to Fallout 4 was actually really good. That is such a dumb mentality sometimes. Because the most recent game lowered the bar so much, the game that was considered bad to many people, those people now consider it good. The game in itself wasn't good, but because Starfield was so bad to them, now Fallout 4 is good by comparison and therefore considered good. This is how things are nowadays. A bad game isn't good now because the game that comes after it is worse...

[@christinaedwards5084]

Fallout 4’s problem was it was called fallout. Its a good game but It’s a terrible fallout game. If it had a different name like ‘post apocalypta’ or something it would have received much larger praise.

[@KratosisGod]

Bethesda playing 4d chess by lowering the bar with every new game they put out🤣

[@ummerfarooq5383]

​@@christinaedwards5084got more pony tears fallout over starfield than any game in history.