What's In My Template Pt 3: Percussion

Part 3 of my favorite libraries in my template: Percussion!
0:00 Start
0:16 CinePerc
3:11 CinePerc Examples
5:20 Damage
6:58 Damage Examples
7:51 Hans Zimmer Percussion
9:34 HZ Percussion Examples
10:33 Other Percussion Libraries
13:21 Conclusion
Libraries Mentioned:
CinePerc (by ‪@cinesamples.official‬)
Damage (by ‪@Heavyocitymedia‬)
Hans Zimmer Percussion (by ‪@spitfireaudiollp‬)
Storm Drums 2 (by East West)
‪@NativeInstruments‬ Percussion / Drums
Berlin Percussion (by Orchestral Tools)
Spitfire Symphonic Percussion (by Spitfire Audio)
Hollywood Percussion (by East West)
8Dio Percussion
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[@dagalost1949]

I can't believe i never knew about Cineperc till today. You just save me.

[@ravenmusic932]

I would be really interested to hear, how you produce "produced" percussion. Pointing to a good tutorial would also be very helpful. Great video apart from that!

[@audiolab303]

I'm loving this channel. I appreciate the insight into the sample libraries and the tips you are offering up on your other videos.

[@AnneKathrinDernComposer]

Thank you! Strings coming up next and I'm also filming my next Q&A today. :-)

[@lochlanboebel394]

I remember fiddling with Cineperc while I was at Berklee and have never since come across a percussion library that even comes close! It is just so full and in your face! I hope to buy it soon!!

[@lihninor]

You sold me on CinePerc, sounds great!

[@etph1997]

Super useful review and demo. Thanks a bunch!

[@martinbacker7677]

Aaah, superhelpful once again. Thanks for sharing!! Looking forward to the video on strings. :)

[@AnneKathrinDernComposer]

Glad this was helpful! Strings are indeed up next!

[@rjkral]

“...I don’t use this one cuz...PLAY” Haha I burst out laughing. I avoid PLAY at ALL costs. Tried using it for quite some time and was part of my template a long time back, but when I say I avoid it now, what I really mean to say is it’s struck from my template snd I do not purchase or use ANY play libraries ever! Great overview, completely agree on your great choices here. Cineperc is especially wonderful for the exact reasons you mentioned.

[@AnneKathrinDernComposer]

I am quite excited about EW's new direction so I'm looking forward to try that out. But yeah, I try to avoid using PLAY if I can. It's gotten much better over time and the latest version is pretty stable. I just still find it to be clumsy at best, a buggy resource hog at the worst. I'm even thinking of getting my favorite percussion patches out of PLAY and creating my own custom patches in Kontakt just for myself. There were some really cool sounds in SD2.

[@UCSBSpeech]

Great Perc summary review, Anne-Kathrin. Thank you.

[@AnneKathrinDernComposer]

Thanks for watching!

[@gonzalozubillaga9341]

Great Stuff!!! Thanks Anne!!!

[@AnneKathrinDernComposer]

Thanks for watching!

[@angelopearce2420]

Thanks for sharing your templates

[@scottfoster3643]

Wow! I may have to pick up Cineperc finally! The bongos, congas and djembe actually sound so much like someone actually playing in the room. Thank you for all your fantastic insight and content. I am a recent subscriber and loving all the info!

[@AnneKathrinDernComposer]

I'm glad you find my content helpful!

[@louispearson8306]

@@AnneKathrinDernComposer Yo cineperc is amazing....your not biased

[@SulwynLokComposer]

Thanks Anne! I use CinePerc too, and I'm considering adding HZ Percussion sometime next time. Just want to share that I've tried EW Symphonic before and their cymbal rolls are a personal favorite to my ears, they swell with a very nice warmth to it, which I find difficult to match with CinePerc or loops de la crème Cymbal Rolls.

[@AnneKathrinDernComposer]

Good to know! Thanks for chiming in!

[@iancurrie3763]

Thank you SO much for this.

[@AnneKathrinDernComposer]

My pleasure!

[@Dandiel_]

love your stuff Anne! Was wondering if you could do a vid about your reverb settings and maybe some EQ tips? I got lexicon too, but your stuff is just amazing!

[@AnneKathrinDernComposer]

Thanks! Yes, I'll do separate videos on EQ and Reverb.

[@mateythegreat1399]

Nice vids really enjoy watching them. Give the East West Opus Dimond a go I really like it grabbed it wen it was on sale it uses the new Opus engine which is really surprisingly good and choir builder is nice Love it. The Spitfire BBC Pro is lovely and real tight the Albion tundra it is Just great. Keep up the great job. Regards from London

[@leoxvi7794]

Very cool review! Thanks!

[@AnneKathrinDernComposer]

Thanks for watching!

[@VFXCommander]

We are in need of more recording session footage! Thanks for constantly thinking about your subscribers :)

[@AnneKathrinDernComposer]

Hahaha, yes! I'm currently editing more session footage but I can't release it before the movie for it comes out - which will be November 25 I believe. Then the next one is coming January 6 2021.

[@VFXCommander]

@@AnneKathrinDernComposer YAAY! :D

[@JohannesRiedlMusic]

Not that we're just learning a lot from you, we're also getting prepeared where the nicest places in L.A. are :D Love watching your Videos !

[@AnneKathrinDernComposer]

Haha, thank you! Glad you like it!

[@JohannesRiedlMusic]

@@AnneKathrinDernComposer And here I am again haha checking out your video to find a suiting perc library for my template. I hope you are doing fine 🙌

[@TonyThomas10000]

Dennis Sands is an awesome engineer. I worked for him when I was the publicist at Group IV Recording in LA. BTW, you skewered Spitfire Perc pretty well. I just have the Originals Series Cinematic Percussion (I think it is from Albion One) and I found it is pretty flat sounding--but sounds really good once you EQ it.

[@lattetown]

Very helpful! I just picked up the Hanz Zimmer Professional percussion...which basically filled up my SSD drive with additional mic positions and mixes. I'm curious to hear what you think about the five octave dynamic range of OT's Tom Holkenborgs Percussion...I'd like to hear how it handles fading rolls and building rhythms. Also it's intro price is relatively inexpensive right now.

[@talnomix3164]

Hey! i just discovered your channel and its nice to finally see a woman in the film scoring scene. I wish we could have more beautiful woman like you in this business :D Greetings from Germany!

[@lauramelaniemusic9183]

Thank you for your wonderful videos - it is also so nice to be taught by another woman! You referenced producing your own sounds as needed - do you have a video on that subject? Thank you again!

[@AnneKathrinDernComposer]

Thank you for watching, I'm glad you enjoy my presentation! I don't have a video on producing my own sounds yet but I might do one in the future.

[@rossoconnor4]

Great stuff! Hollywood Percussion is the best of the their whole collection. Some of the best cymbals out there, but as you said yourself “Play” 😂😂

[@AnneKathrinDernComposer]

It's been an unfortunate drawback but I'm glad their percussion overall sounds good. Thanks for chiming in!

[@rossoconnor4]

@@AnneKathrinDernComposer Thanks! It’s only MHO, but I think Jeff Russo is using them on Star Trek Discovery and Picard. I recognise the cymbal swells.

[@Gedagnors]

Thank you so much!!!!

[@AnneKathrinDernComposer]

Thanks for watching!

[@jonaferrari98]

very helpful reviews, thank you :)) If I may ask a question, do you have any recommendations on videos or online sources regarding "how to make trailer hits out of a pencil hitting on the desk"?;) That would be amazing.

[@snarf1504]

Great video again :)

[@AnneKathrinDernComposer]

Thanks for watching!

[@Sitas]

Thanks for all the advice, I really appreciate it! If you had some time to spare, could you do a video on percussion processing? Just the basic tips would be great!

[@AnneKathrinDernComposer]

I can put it on my list of video requests. I do think maybe other people know a lot more about this than I do though and there are plenty of videos on KZbin regarding percussion processing.

[@Sitas]

​@@AnneKathrinDernComposer Thank you for answering my comment

[@AnneKathrinDernComposer]

That’s so sweet of you to say! I’ll definitely do a video on it then down the line. :-)

[@Sitas]

@@AnneKathrinDernComposer Well, it seems you have no idea how helpful is what you do here, sharing your know-how like that for free :) Especially that it's no-bullshit type of approach from a pro composer, so we can avoid unnecessary, overpriced stuff. For example before I saw Daniel James murdering Hz Strings in his review, I already bought it. It sounds great, but there are better and cheaper options. Anyway, all the best to you!

[@wolfblaide]

I like CinePerc, but I am also a fan of the Spitfire Orchestral Perc. The cymbals and keyboards/mallets are fantastic. And I love the Spitfire timpani - they have a very different sound to CineSamples, not as heavy or solid, a more classical sound that I think works better in a lot of scenarios. The CineSamples timpani can be too full-sounding, so are hard to work into a mix, and the close mic position is sometimes buggy if you want to try and fix that problem. The Spitfire bass drums especially are not so good, I agree. They have that issue you mention with lack of low end. If you want good sounding bass drums with plenty of options... I love Berlin Percussion for this.

[@AnneKathrinDernComposer]

I'm not really sure I'd advise anyone to invest that much cash into this many libraries. If CinePerc sounds too full at times, it's very easy to EQ it (which one should do anyway) and thin it out, rather than buying another product. Also, the close mics in CinePerc would not thin out the sound (in fact I'm using them to thicken the sound). I'm a strong supporter of getting the most mileage out of what one has by using proper programming, orchestration and mixing technique. If that doesn't help, then maybe another library investment would be justified.

[@FlukeyFilms]

Would love to hear your thoughts on Junkie XL percussion

[@arjunsom2392]

Nice Carmina Burana insert at 4:37 with the Tubular Bells

[@BrettWMcCoy]

The EW percussion libraries (Storm Drum, EWQL Symphonic Orchestra, Hollywood Orchestra) are probably the best sounding thing they have ... but yeah... there's PLAY you have to deal with...

[@AnneKathrinDernComposer]

Indeed. And even then there are better sounding percussion libraries on the market by now. But you're right, I think their percussive things and ethnic stuff was always better than everything else they offered.

[@adnelyngstadnilsen-compose3889]

Awesome content as always! I learn a lot every time I watch your videos, so thank you! I'm curious though, why do you avoid PLAY-libraries? Is it stability, user friendliness or something else? I use CinePerk the most nowadays, but depending on the context, I also use SD2 a lot, and I'm curious to see why it is to be avoided :D Once again, thank you so much for your insights!

[@AnneKathrinDernComposer]

Thank you for watching! I’m glad my content is helpful! As far as Play goes, my team and I have encountered too many bugs over the years while on a deadline. Play almost made us miss said deadlines which is unacceptable in a professional environment. It might be fine for those who don’t derive their main income from music but for me it’s been too risky to use.

[@adnelyngstadnilsen-compose3889]

@@AnneKathrinDernComposer It is consequently helpful and super interesting! That makes A LOT of sense! It was really buggy there for a while, a couple of years ago, but now it seems a lot better. I do have cinestrings as my main string library, so I'm not completely dying if PLAY dies again, but sampling SD2 and putting it into Kontakt might not be the worst idea! Let me know if I can help out there, as it works fine here for the time being :D

[@josiahsimmons9866]

Idk if someone else has maybe talked about it, but I'd guess that HZ sounds better than the other Spitfire stuff because it was mixed by Hans himself, not one of their mixing engineers. So that'd explain why that library sounds better. In my opinion, if there's one thing Hans knows incredibly well, it'd definitely be percussion.

[@mirzaaljic]

I went straight for Damage 2 and I really like it. But as you said, I rarely use loops. It almost feels like cheating to me. But I know I paid for those loops by buying the library so I'd still use them for some quick production in case of a quick deadline.

[@AnneKathrinDernComposer]

Yes, I think it really depends on the project. I know on my projects I wouldn't be allowed to use pre-made loops and it would have consequences if the production found out later. Some library houses now also forbid the use of pre-made loops and even in a school setting this can have negative consequences.

[@mirzaaljic]

@@AnneKathrinDernComposer That's really interesting! I didn't really have a chance to work on big projects yet, but it's good to know what works and what doesn't in that setting. Thanks for your response!

[@davetbassbos]

Sorry if I couldn't find it, but has she done a video that elaborates on her comments about producing hits to get the epic trailer sound, I'd love to see that!, thanks!

[@Jorf88]

On your note of being able to pick out sounds from Damage... I've had that debate about lots of different kinds of libraries. It's worse in digital music production because we're talking about the "exact" same sound sources. On that note, I agree that we shouldn't use pre-made loops (unless you can heavily process them without it sounding like you did so). But instrument patches are perfectly fine, even if they're "common" among our peers. If you put it in context, complaining about "everyone using Damage" is like being snobby about "Oh, this recording of X symphony is played by the Berlin phil and I can tell because of how the brass sounds... why does everyone like the Berlin phil so much?" Is that really such a bad thing? Different ensembles have characteristic sounds, and if we use them because that's what we like/want to hear, there's nothing wrong with that. The only people who these commonly used libraries really "irritates" is our peer composers. The majority of the people who hear the pieces we compose are not composers themselves, and they will have no idea. That's what matters.

[@ZeroKami86]

Looking for that video where she takes a pencil and hits the desk and shows us how to produce it :o I NEED that video :3

[@D20Music]

I've heard many composers dis on EW's Play. I've never heard the reasons why apart from some vague thing about it being poorly optimised. As someone who owns most of the libraries you wouldn't use (lol) do you think you could elaborate a little maybe in the next video? Thanks. Personally, I find it just fine, though maybe I'm missing stuff from some of the newer and more expensive libraries. I do own a lot of Heavyocity and various other Kontakt instruments, it's just that EW is my main orchestral library.

[@AnneKathrinDernComposer]

It depends on how you use it. In a large orchestral template, it can cause many an issue. It's a resource hog and since it has no backend you can't fix the many mistakes in the outdated samples (badly timed shorts, volume imbalances, bad legato transitions etc.). Some of those issues might even stem from the engine itself and not from the sample editing. PLAY has gotten better with each version but once a customer is lost, they are lost. It's less stable than Kontakt and PLAY has some serious bugs that pop up randomly when several instances of it are loaded and filled at the same time. My additional writer and I almost missed a deadline for a recording session at Abbey Road because of it. We had to re-install PLAY every hour while printing stems because it was acting up so much. And we were in different locations on different systems and in different templates - so this happened completely independently from one another. Aside from that the EW stuff is just really outdated and not on par with more modern libraries. It doesn't produce professional sounding results anymore and my clients are used to much higher quality. Whenever one of my writers is using it, I can immediately hear it and if it can't be helped by using other libraries, then I have to do a lot in the mix and edit to make things work on a professional production.

[@bulentkamali]

Cineperc is a great library to purchase at a half price during sales.

[@user-xb9oq7gq6m]

Hello, Anne-Kathrin! You said, you cut a bit the tails of percussion samples of Hans Zimmer PERC library. How do you do this?) What's the right way to cut samples like that in Kontakt? I'd be very thankful if you could explain or advice a video about it. Thanks in advance ❤

[@soundtreks]

I still use Project Sam True Strike 1 and 2.

[@AnneKathrinDernComposer]

Ha, I forgot about those! Yes, I liked them very much as well. I think ProjectSam is a great sampling company in general with awesome products.

[@soundtreks]

@@AnneKathrinDernComposer Their programming is pretty solid.

[@azariahco]

Hi Anne. If I own true strike 1 is it worthy to get cineperc?

[@MusicalWizardryMarcoIannello]

I find PLAY 6 to work quite ok. Heard that Plaay4 was absolutely horrendous, but never used it, started with PLAY 5, which was decent

[@AnneKathrinDernComposer]

Yes, up to Play 5 it was quite a nightmare to deal with. I find Play 6 to be the most stable and least buggy but it still got my team into quite a bit of trouble on a project or two due to bugs and corruptions.

[@MusicalWizardryMarcoIannello]

@@AnneKathrinDernComposer that is of course irritating, even with Play 6. I wonder whether it is related to certain libraries only? I use Play only for the ethnic libraries and the symphonic choir and it is totally ok

[@AnneKathrinDernComposer]

@@MusicalWizardryMarcoIannello I'm not sure. We were using Ra and Silk at the time, both on different computers and different systems, and yet we had the same issues occur randomly which really set us back in our session preparation.

[@MusicalWizardryMarcoIannello]

@@AnneKathrinDernComposer uhm, that is interesting, I suppose it may depend upon the system where Play is being used, too? Too many factors involved to be able to pinpoint the cause of the issue, and you certainly do not want to waste precious time on resolving issues

[@kerchermusic]

@@AnneKathrinDernComposer on *some* computers Play has been known to glitch out and crash if there is more than 64 GB of RAM installed. (!!!)

[@EnoBlu]

Have you used Damage 2 now? What did you think?

[@tonyd59]

Cineperc is great but sooo expensive, have had to find cheaper options for more natural sounding percussion.

[@MarsenK1]

8:07 "It´s strangely well edited..." I enjoy your channel so much. You´re not looking for an endorsement, are you?^^. Please keep going

[@AnneKathrinDernComposer]

Haha, no I'm not looking for an endorsement. Glad you're enjoying the content!

[@dbmusicproductions9181]

@@AnneKathrinDernComposer This. And this is why I will watch ALL of your content.

[@emanuel_soundtrack]

6:20 everyone uses steinway as well

[@djfull4442]

4:49 omggggggggg

[@GoOKuSj33]

i don't feel Cineperc, because it looks like from the demos, that the crew played the instruments themselves, it just seems kinda wrong to me, but correct me if i'm wrong.

[@AnneKathrinDernComposer]

I don't believe that's true. For all the orchestral percussion they good actual session percussionists. They only did the experimental or simple things themselves. In any case, it doesn't matter how a library was made. If it sounds good, it is good.

[@metalgeartac8186]

Where are you Alex Wallbank!! Please hurry!

[@AnneKathrinDernComposer]

The ever elusive Alex Wallbank! I want to see the WW first though - it'll be exciting to see how they compare to Berlin WW and CineWinds.

[@gkgyver]

I just wish East West would get rid of their ridiculous license management. I hate that ***** No love for Berlin Percussion?