What's it like playing on a Japanese FFXIV server?

[@Volithras]

Super interesting. I never would have expected zone chats to be practically silent. To be candid, that would really creep me out, but it's neat.

[@MajereKibbles]

Same! Guess I've gotten used to it, but I do miss those friendly banter that make me laugh sometimes!

[@hippopotatomoose]

I play on both JP and NA servers. That was the first thing I noticed when I went to Limsa. On NA it's loud and chat is active. On JP it's remarkably quiet but there's a ton of people at the Aetheryte. Dungeon runs are a little different also. One wipe on a JP server, no commendation. Even a decent tank won't get a commendation. It needs to be a flawless run, or nothing. I think the commendation is how they passively express their feelings on a run. The outside world on a JP server also tends to be quite empty. I don't see any hunt trains. Whereas on a NA server, there are always people running around doing things in the open world and hunts are filled with people.

[@weberman173]

@@hippopotatomoose tbf, the "you wipe once you aint get a commendation" is kinda childish in my opinion. if the wipe costs the entire run? or made it singificantly harder? sure. but in general?

[@ovum]

@@hippopotatomoose False on multiple accounts. At least now, one year later. Can't say about the commendations though. My experience is sprouts don't know how to commend, non-JP players (like SEA) tend to not commend at all (from friends' POVs and strangers alike, often verified SEA by search info), and the wipe thing... eh. not all the time. If they're really pissed, even JP would leave immediately Hunt trains, well... A mix of relying on EN people for tracking, but they have a crowd in faloop

[@RanRayu]

a nice quiet game to enjoy, patient and polite people, letting others know they are new, no large FC where you dont know most people and no toxic behaviour. i gotta say, that sounds like heaven to me, ive left many FCs because they just kept growing and growing and my autism doesnt do well with large crowds. i always greet and tell people if its my first time or dont remember the content or play on a job wich i havent played in awhile. but i wouldnt go over to a japanese server because i wouldnt want to be a nuisance to the people there, i dont know much japanese so i probably would be a bother to the people there.

[@ririndesuyo673]

FCs here are more or less composed of buddies / friends, so most members are actually buddies IRL or at least already know each other outside of the game (Discord, Forums etc...). So on top of what the vid says, most FCs are more of a personal group of buddies than a large guild. That's not to say there aren't any big ones here, I know quite a few notable big FCs that cater to both newbies and hardcore players as well but most are small. This is the same experience I have on other JP server MMOs as well and imo I prefer it as it's much more chill.

[@nitemare3904]

No Toxic behavior.. yeah, because...NO ONE TALKS!! ;D

[@Salaundre]

To be honest. Some of these things I have seen on the English side in this game. That is why I've never had a bad experience in this game. People are here to just have fun.

[@einschwartz]

What I like the most about JP servers when running Praetorium: Killing all the mobs before using the teleporter is the norm. 😆 In NA, people run through the mobs, ignoring them, and immediately teleport. It is stressful!

[@HawkinaBox]

LMAO

[@innoillust]

The Exp....

[@Pippo1987]

Same on the EU server yea , without forgetting the dps or healer who will pull instead of tank most of the time....personally i could not stay or return on EU or NA data center once that i knew how the JP server are , Respectful , greetings at the beginning and end most of the time , Zero RMT !

[@innoillust]

As a EN Player in JP server and joined a FC with all JP players, I can tell those are quite true. Although the Silent thing isn't true honestly, you can still hear people chat in say most often than not, and people using emotes in chat, just not spammy. Shout are more rare but present not entirely gone. I think you're recording at a time where in JP is night time/early morning, so it's not as busy Other thing I'd like to add is that when messing up a mechanic or wipe, after apologizing some JP players would even reply with (doma) or どんまい which reads "donmai" which basically mean "don't mind"

[@SilverforceX]

It's more spammy on Elemental due to it being the officials for SEA, India, etc.

[@nadiff9723]

No, i though india will block ffxiv

[@Saora]

I will remember this for a long time. Back when I played FFXI around the time when it first came out and I was leveling with a group of people in one of the earlier grinding level areas (I think it was Selbina? It's been so long I can't remember the exact name). It was a bad pull and I died, they kicked me from the group after saying how bad of a player I was. I was very scared to run with a group again, but later (or earlier, since I worked night shift and came home from work around 5am) I tried again and did a level grind with a Japanese group of players. Same thing happened, I died and I thought I was going to get yelled at and kicked and apologized profusely and told them I'd leave so they could get a more competent healer. They were the friendliest and kindest people I had ever played with in any game and helped me keep playing a game I loved.

[@Longlius]

Dungeon greetings and farewells are pretty common on NA as well.

[@sirhc8927]

So grateful for the time stamps. More content creators should do that.

[@successfuladagio539]

Thanks for the video! It was really interesting! Greetings, letting other player know you are new, apologizing, and thanking at the end all sounds very similar to me coming from NA servers. I think the key difference I noticed was not pointing out the mistakes of others. Now, in my experience it doesn't happen too often, but when it does it really kills the vibe of going through a duty. Not to be confused with educating someone on a mechanic they might not be familiar with. What is the Tank Healer dynamic like on a JP server? In my experience on NA servers it seems to fall into three groups of normal, memey, or a conversation that is sometimes better not discussed unless you want to start a fight.

[@ItsMeMemiya]

we would generally just trust each other to do wall-to-wall pulls. If it doesn't work we would pull a 1-2 packs of mobs at a time unless either the tank or healer says it's fine to keep doing wall-to-wall

[@innoillust]

Tank would usually hit 2 pull, unless Healer says it's okay to pull more, if they are new to healing/tanking we'll start slower

[@monkeypolice3048]

I think japanese are wonderful people I love them so much. I wish I know their language. Never blame on others is key to a peaceful life even though they know it's not their fault. What a beautiful mentality to have.

[@chelstroyer]

Oh man I didn't think about the aspect of preferring quietness in public also applying to the game. I speak intermediate/advanced Japanese and was thinking about making an alt on a JP server to be able to interact. This gives me some things to think about.

[@future09021]

As a "gaijin" whose played on a japanese server(Durandal) for over 2 years now. I've noticed that there are moments of toxicity, although rare, saying stuff like: 「MTさん(me)、ギミック理解してる？」 ( Do you even understand the mechanics? ), or 「d3誰？時間切れ見れてます？」(Who was d3?(d3 being my red mage friend), can we even get to enrage at this rate?). So yeah, toxicity can still definitely happen on a jp server, although not as much as na.

[@lyhthegreat]

jp players can be toxic, it's just that they are less likely to express them as eng players.

[@boubou4203]

@@lyhthegreat I prefer upfront toxicity from NA rather than the JP silent treatment and secret blacklist to that player who could of just been having a bad day. That's arguably way more toxic imo cause they are basically spreading shit about someone to an entire community behind their back over a couple slip ups.

[@st6x]

@@boubou4203 silently blacklisting someone =/= spreading shit about them behind their back LMAO regardless of whether it was a one time slip up, losing a single player match out of the many in the server is nothing when you probably wont see each other again. how people curate their online experience is their problem not ours 😂

[@gamertakcamray1944]

@@st6x Shame, but it's true. Since many Japanese have their perfectionism so cannot be tolerant when duty has gone wrong.

[@monkeypolice3048]

During my final fantasy 11 in 2004, I met 2 Japanese players, they were so helpful. They don't complain when you asked for help even though they are busy doing something. I love Japanese players, I remember the name of one them, Michelle or Micheal but I forgot to other females character. I hope I can meet them someday and say thank you for being my friend.

[@kentak5748]

I am from Germany and play on Gungnir, and I agree :) I like it here very much

[@ScourgeGlaive]

I'm playing in Europe, Light and we always greet each other, we mostly say when we're doing something for the first time and we say our thanks and goodbyes at the end. I'm not sure why people get the image that this is not common ._. We do the same for our FC's. The only different might be, that my FC chats which each other while playing. Toxic reactions are also pretty low. I had maybe two or three groups that were unfriendly in all my time playing. So, again, not sure why people might think that's not normal for EU ._.

[@netnoob77]

I play on Kujata.. and yup, I'd agree with your observations.

[@NekuGrandChase]

Staying in Tonberry and my chat macro is essentially dual language lol. Like my big pull macro is "まとめ-ます - I'm going to pull hard!" or my greeting macro when tanking is "不慣れですが、よろしくお願いします - Nice to meet you!" because I have tanxiety so I want everyone to know I might make tanking mistakes >_< And when I do make one, it's instantly pressing my Sorry macro - "すまん! >_< - ( Sorry! ) "

[@Berguna645]

Actually there are auto translate feature, in case you not aware

[@NekuGrandChase]

@@Berguna645 yes, the English part of Nice to meet you is in auto translate (I just don't know how to put the arrow signs in youtube comment). I'm not sure if " I'm pulling hard" has auto translate though. The Sorry part is also the same >

[@Berguna645]

@@NekuGrandChase no problem hehehe My reason i love jp server, is mixed culture. Even thought i am closer to aussie, not a million chance i move there. Since west oriented culture is tend to be more agressive and rude from my subjectivity

[@Winterr62]

Many times in NA the tanks will ask the healer "can I pull hard"

[@millot7760]

Dungeon greeting is regular, but NA doesn't really hold it against people if they don't reply. However, regarding wipes and such, the majority will leave after 3 wipes or start typing a tldr ver. of the mechanics. Communication is more important than "just to be polite", but this is different per server culture.

[@taopui]

Yo ! I'm English player playing in Jp sv. (Mana-Asura) once I created new charactor in NA server just for joining my streamer friend wedding party. after try to run alliance raid I said to myself ,,,, Huh I need peaceful >,,

[@clydecalamity6520]

We're not talking about Balmung in the US Data Center

[@ninu1274]

been on Tonberry for years, but in order to communicate with JP, i took up JP lesson, still a beginner, sometimes it will took me awhile to read and even need G translate, and i got kicked, its tough but i understand. 自分を頑張ります

[@innoillust]

がんばれー you could try Tataru Helper to help a little bit on translation

[@petereast1447]

Sorry ,but why would you play on an Japanese server if you're a beginner Japanese learner? Do you want to enjoy the game and learn Japanese? IF so, you're doing it wrong. If you want to enjoy the game, play in an english speaking server. If you want to learn Japanese, play star dew valley. Also, you can just say 頑張ります。Take out the "jibon wo" - that's wrong.

[@真情实感]

@@petereast1447 6months late but have you considered that they are playing on JP server for better ping? I am Eng living in middle east playing in NA server and as a result my ping’s a constant 250+. It makes me unable to do high end content in combination of an old PC. Try to be more open minded about other’s situation before being condescending.

[@ovum]

You got kicked? I guess I got the luckier end of the stick: My first Heaven on High clear was with an all-JP party and I had to rely on translators throughout that 5-6 hour ordeal.

[@SephirothSpirit]

The atmosphere of this video kinda represented what you were explaining within the game lol.

[@hipstertrash7541]

“No toxic behavior” Pfs having “no elemental players”

[@GribGFX]

I think i like the loudness and playful toxicity of my EU server

[@바보Queen]

same.. this is just boring as f..

[@smileyxiii481]

I've played on every data center in FFXIV and I have lvl80 on Elemental (JP) Primal (NA) and Chaos (EU) and playing on Elemental is the most fun because it has the nicest players in the game and I would say the most experience players when it come to doing duty roulettes. For me EU servers are the worst when it comes to the 3 regions because I've played on 4 different servers on EU and I've noticed that they have the most toxic players (yes even more toxic than NA) and the least skilled players because I remember when I was trying to farm the World of Darkness healer glam, it was a constant wipe on the first boss and to the point that they vote abandons so many runs because people fail to do mechanics all the time. NA defiantly have more helpful players than EU and I think it is mostly because every speaks English but I think JP servers have the more skilled players when it come to doing dungeons and raids.

[@ArekkusuAlex-8]

So I was not the only one thinking the same way about the difference of toxic players between the different regions. I have experienced the same thing outside ffxiv, it was in WoW, when I was playing on EU I thought the amount of toxicity was normal, but after I started playing on NA, I saw a lot of people that were nice and helpful which was a shock to me

[@aradicaldude]

The US use emotes at the start, and GG at the end.

[@Shiirow]

yes not only is the JP shout chat pretty much dead silent, a lot of the other channels are as well, like Novice Network.

[@SeldimSeen1]

On Crystal server (North American Server.) We also say hello when starting a dungeon, raid or duty. We also say good job at the end. We let people know if we are new to the environment or new to class. Since this is a MMORP game I really enjoy my active and chatty FC that is what RP is all about. Right?

[@nadiff9723]

I play on elemental jp, we still do interacting in fc chat, and we do active sometimes in there but not in open place like limsa for example.which is i think its good bcs its public place and they have their own thing. There is a place for many english speaker like in tonberry and kujata and mostly the people who talking in general chat were mostly people from NA who visit elemental, and that become habit for the people there. Why ? Its obvious, all the server except kuja and tonberry is pretty quite, and people in NA wont come to a place where less eng speaker in it, thats why tonberry and kujata is crowded especially in general chat

[@thedarkness125]

so its the same save for zone chats.

[@HezrouDhiaga]

that is night and day to the NA servers. Too much chatter in hub cities, LOTS of dungeon and nightclub spams to the point my block list is full and dungeon greetings/farewells aren't really anything more they hey and gg. Or nothing at all. Raiding we do get complaints, rage quitters and the like :< I wish some of the stuff the JP servers do can be adopted here in the NA servers. I think spamming your FC or Nightclubs every half hour in the same city is just extremely obnoxious.

[@klausjackklaus]

It seems just cultural- I have played WoW and now FFXIV on both NA and EU and there is kind of a change, and being an American I noticed a lot of Europeans have the generic stereotypes in general chat and are a bit more hostile towards NA people moreso in WoW, but they are less likely to go all toxic when something goes wrong. I normally try to at least say a couple things in the others' language if possible (I started WoW Classic on a majority Latin American server). I find that RP realms in WoW are more receptive towards foreigners (I assume it's due to people being able to separate Real Life from the game easily). I can also say that in Dota2 a lot of Peruvians, Colombians, and Chileans queue US East servers as well as South America & Brazil, and there can be some animosity towards each other.

[@Pizzadelivery24]

Wonder how the lag is if playing on Japan server while in NA

[@MajereKibbles]

You can create a character over here and find out! I imagine it'll be about 200+ ping, which can be annoying at high level content when boss AOEs are nearly instant.

[@drinkswithevil]

some of t hose are the same for US servers. We greet everyone in FC and party and when someone gets off for the night we ssay goodnight or bye. I have yet to see any toxic players yet in US servers. Everyone says if they are new to a dungeon in the US also. But the whole nobody talking in Limsa is kinda odd LOL

[@lyhthegreat]

ff14 is a much less toxic game compared to other mmorpgs

[@vikinggamer690]

Silence in the cities is the biggest difference I think. Kind of explains why 1.0 had no public chat channels in beta. You had to be in a linkshell for any ambient banter and it puzzled us Americans to no end. Greetings and goodbyes are maybe inconsistent but they are lot more common in FFXIV than in any other game. Not calling people out publicly I think is just our culture no longer teaching kids any manners. kids tend to have to learn the hard way at say real life work that it is really not a good idea. The debate pops up on reddit often in the form of people trying to justify themselves after getting chewed out for "offering" advice. If there is anyone bit of advice I could give a new IT intern it is this... Dont tell people how to do their job unless they specifically ask you or you are explicitly their mentor or boss. Just don't. doesn't matter if you are right or not. just don't.

[@Ydla]

Elemental is the closest you can get to an NA culture in the Japanese servers. Altho its still majorly populated by Japanese players, Tonberry and Kujata are mainly where players from SE Asia and Oceana are staying. To say that toxicity is non-existent in here is pretty inaccurate tho. There are still a lot of toxic players/behaviors in these servers.

[@MajereKibbles]

I play on Chocobo server, which is 89% Japanese players, so my point stands. JP players make up less than 30% on Tonberry and the server has gained a lot of bad reputation over the years. Kujata only has 50% JP players now as they are slowly being forced to other servers. That would explain the difference in toxicity between what you and I are seeing.

[@nadiff9723]

Agree

[@EbefrenRevo]

So basically is like on the European servers (excluded where the ruZZians are)

[@Trashweebx]

Weird people don't talk in general chat like don't you play an mmo for that very reason? to talk and play with people around the world?.?

[@NaitomeIya]

I live in SEA, and OCE has been non existent for so long that we’ve built a community in Elemental. All accurate, this. Shouts and yells are rare and mostly come from either non-JP players or are invites (FC, hunt or otherwise). I’ve seen what appear to be friends who are standing next to each other talk to each other in /s, and they do not repeatedly hit their emotes. I’ve yet to encounter toxicity from all-JP parties (which is honestly uncommon in my DC-it’s always gonna be a mix of JP only and EN only/JP and EN, but a friend recalls a time where in a trial, there was an AFKing DRG in the party who only started moving when Echo hit in. And when certain gear dropped, they were clearly waiting for everyone to roll. When my friend rolled higher for the gear, the DRG swore at my friend in Japanese… Additionally, some Worlds are less tolerant of foreigners than others-in less tolerant Worlds, the locals may get passive aggressive. But most importantly, sasu ga JP, people can be a hive mind and if you play dead at a busy city, there is a chance you can attract a battalion who will play dead with you.

[@teteamaster]

lmao the raid/alliance raid culture is so different too

[@vulcan0018]

I used to play WOW on and off for the pass years, once skip 1 full expansion due to RL reason. Might play FF14 in the future. Heres my view. I find that the silence is gold part disturbing. A city chat should be busy, at least talk about in game related thing, advertising your crafting profession, asking for help on in-game things. Moderate advertise about guild recruitment. All that is fine. Definitely don't sell Real Money Trade, and don't force politics on to others. We used to greet people in dungeon in wow, but with Looking for Dungeon feature (system randomly select players from random servers for dungeon run) made greeting kinda pointless, you most likely never going to meet them again in the future. And it quite amazing japan doesn't have toxic behavior.

[@innoillust]

Actually they do, I usually still find people talking in say in Limsa, and trying to recruit for FCs etc. The one shown in the video seems to me like a late night JP time, and was not so busy

[@vulcan0018]

@@innoillust that makes more sense, thanks for the info.

[@pointemass]

It's not really as quiet as the ones in the vid, it's just that most people use Say chat instead of the Shout one so they don't end up taking up the entire chat screen of someone else's who isn't even near them. I transferred from an NA server and tbh it's less stressful and it's nice being able to wander around without worrying if I'm missing a chat from my friends or free company/guild

[@codymetz8689]

Would you recommend FF as a game to learn Japanese? What level of proficiency do you think you would need to do so?

[@MajereKibbles]

If your game is set to English but you play on a JP server, then JLPT N2 would be sufficient for player-to-player communication. You're better off grabbing a textbook and getting your basics right. But if you wish to play the JP version of the game, then even N1 wouldn't be enough; I have to check up words every now and then, and that drastically slows down the intended pace of the game. TLDR: You learn faster using a textbook.

[@ovum]

Yes and no. JP FF players use wild and different terminologies, you'll be hard press to understand anything outside of basic grammar. for example: たこたん. Any 外国人 will get confused why JP players use that to call Titan.

[@andyliping]

Can you communicate in English in a Japanese server?

[@AmourMatthysen]

Its sounds so lonely.

[@Winterr62]

The only thing you were accurate on was #1 the rest you were for the better part wrong. Every dungeon I have been in people have always greeted the group . Except for the mega FCs all other FCs are small . As for others "calling out others mistakes" they are asking or tell do you need help or would you like some advice. I used to play on FFXI and let me tell you NO ONE talked to me save a rare moment were a Japanese player did invite me to group. There is always going to be both good and bad to this topic, both have good things to offer and bad.

[@nadiff9723]

Well they didnt speak english lol if they invite you, it just going to be rude. Smart man ya are

[@Winterr62]

@@nadiff9723 I was stationed in Japan it is a required language for them to learn and a great many do speak the language

[@matzemania4416]

well beside the quiet part... its like 99% of all other servers ^^

[@crowofcainhurst]

I play in elemental and elemental is considered the worst japanese DC. But then i tried making alt in crystal and oh boy, crystal is a dumpster even compared to the worst japanese DC. Elemental is heaven in comparison to crystal. Not only from the environment and atmosphere perspective but the way they play is really awful. Every crystal tower run at least have 3 wipes and they even struggle clearing sycrus tower oh dear lord...

[@omegablue22]

I play on Kujata and I add madness to the Novice Network

[@KateH]

Other than zone silence that's basically the exact same as my NA server

[@NikkoTanGoogle]

The english players are the ones who are toxic in the JP servers lmao

[@AnonymousFreak111]

Sounds a bit boring on the JP servers then

[@chiefrocka680]

I've been playing the American servers and no ones really toxic so yeah, feel like some people need to grow up and learn to deal with confrontation anyway. such a shiyte world we live in these days.

[@바보Queen]

honestly.. the way japanese people play MMO's and online games.. it seems boring as fuck.. ive heard this about other games they play too

[@coconosuga5351]

My kanji is rusty, so until someone used hiragana one time, I thought shoken was read hatsumi. I still got shoken if i typed it hatsumi, I thought I nailed it lolol

[@MajereKibbles]

You're not alone. I thought it was hatsumi for the longest time, too!