What's My Line? - Jack Dempsey; Tony Randall [panel] (Jul 11, 1965)

[@donnacook8994]

Jack Dempsey was a man not to be trifled with, but looks great at 70 years! I would have felt quite safe with him. What a wonderful man!!!👏👏👏👏❤️❤️

[@donaldwhittaker7987]

In 1967 my uncle took me to Jack Dempsey's restaurant in Manhattan. A serious and polite gentleman. And they had good steaks.

[@IPlayOneOnT.V.]

"The fastest count Jack ever got." For as quick and sharp a wit as Bennett Cerf has, that was a brilliantly quick wit Arlene (19:10).

[@robertfiller8634]

The best one -liner I ever heard on WML!

[@davidarcudi230]

I've watched so many episodes the last two weeks they are running together

[@watchmanonthewall14]

Dempsey was a gentleman, but even in his later years, he had that fierceness in his eyes.

[@miketheyunggod2534]

Tony Randall is always a delight to have on the panel.

[@ilzamaria6424]

I agree

[@kentetalman9008]

He's my favorite guest panelist. Wish he were one of the regulars.

[@kenyongray2615]

The rubberband woman was extremely good looking. Arlene Francis looked great in this episode. Jack Dempsey was a legend in his time.

[@loissimmons6558]

Jack Dempsey was a larger than life pro athlete from what has been sometimes called "The Golden Age of Sports". Despite Prohibition, the good life was being led in the U.S. and sports with the advent of radio and big stadiums in major cities and on major college campuses helped the boom. Along with Dempsey in boxing, cultural icons in sports at that time included Babe Ruth in baseball, Red Grange in football, Bill Tilden in tennis and Bobby Jones in golf.

[@Hootowl54]

This was shortly before two young muggers decided to make a seventy year old man easy prey as he stepped out of a taxi in NYC. Big mistake! When the dust settled, Jack Dempsey was standing over the unconscious would-be muggers. When they came to, they refused to get up until the police arrived.

[@inhibited44]

I read about that. The cops were informed and arrived. They were quite confused to see an old man poised over two kids on the ground. I don't think the cops knew who he was.

[@METALITHrevetments]

Word is they're still counting over those two mutts.

[@richatlarge462]

I love that. I hadn't heard about this until now. I was noticing on this WML episode that this 70-year-old could beat the *!%& out of most men including me.

[@moderne-ist1612]

Great story! Glad he beat TF out them!

[@shuroom57]

If that happened today in N.Y., HE would be arrested.

[@loissimmons6558]

I love that Tony Randall was insistent that the definition of whether something was or had been alive included vegetation as well as animal life. As such he got a yes answer to that question about rubber bands. Curious, I looked it up and found that even today most rubber bands (except for larger sizes) are still made with natural rubber rather than synthetics.

[@johngreen3543]

My old roommate who was born in 1912 saw Jack Dempsey fight and met him personally. He said Dempsey in his prime would have beaten Ali. He considered Dempsey to be the greatest boxer of all time.

[@drumbum3.142]

Maybe .

[@perkosherrigh7243]

Big fabricated story 😂

[@lovs2build2]

I doubt it, Dempsey was aggressive fighter, meaning he would of been wore out by 4th-5th rounds, way Ali danced around the ring, wouldn't of been close.

[@MannyQuacioua]

Harry Greb would of defeated Ali.

[@waldolydecker8118]

@@MannyQuacioua - "Harry Greb" got knocked upside his head so hard in a fight he went blind. He wished he could have fought Ali so Ali could knock some sight back into his head.

[@amarch8]

Damn, everything Dempsey said about boxing then can be said about it now.

[@usermikes]

Jack Dempsey's Broadway Restaurant, known popularly as Jack Dempsey's, was a restaurant located on Broadway between 49th and 50th streets in Manhattan, New York......We use to hangout hear back in the 1960's my friends, and I..Good old days..

[@empirical43]

Been there and it was surely a landmark of the great city.

[@shanahyneman1573]

I think John really led the panel down the proverbial garden path by letting them pursue the dentistry application of rubber bands. I kept expecting him to lead them back to the broader topic, but not this time. i thoroughly enjoy this series.

[@tamiobannon]

I'd love to see the colors of Arlene and Dorothy's dresses.

[@dinahbrown902]

Let’s not change the past 😊

[@1189paris]

Tony Randall was perhaps the best regular guest panelist on the show. This was the best lineup of the original show in my humble opinion.

[@dcasper8514]

Robert Q lewis makes a good panelist too..

[@beadyeyedbrat]

I'm torn between Tony and Steve Allen.

[@planetthunderstorm]

I love Tony Randall too, he should have been a regular. I like Martin Gable too, but not Joey Bishop. He is annoying

[@TheGreatAtario]

Mrs. Polglase's "little black dress" was swanky, but the matching bow in the back of her hair made it so cute

[@janetmarletto6667]

The animated opening is my favorite! Such creativity and talent!😂😍🤗

[@leannsherman6723]

Agree!

[@loissimmons6558]

John was in rare form this episode and I would call him the winner of this episode's pun battle with Bennett.

[@robertfiller8634]

"I'll Sioux" was the winner over Bennett, but Arlene's one liner about Dempsey's fastest count was the best line of this What's My Line!

[@Colsoloact]

What a nice guy Jack Dempsey was!

[@yomomma298]

The Manassa Mauler from Manassa Colorado and yes a real nice guy .

[@boomer3150]

Yes, and Mrs Paige was cute.

[@michaelnivens6267]

Arlene Is lovely and delightful as usual

[@soulierinvestments]

Great hair styles on Arlene and Dorothy in 1965.

[@robertfiller8634]

Arlene yes, Dorothy no.

[@VahanNisanian]

Jack Dempsey was also a mystery guest on the lost April 1, 1951 episode.

[@kmann23]

Jack Dempsey had a distinct voice and he didn't try to disguise it.

[@loissimmons6558]

When I travel, one of my favorite activities is to visit museums of interest. One of my favorites was to travel back roads going from New Mexico to Colorado in order to stop at the Jack Dempsey Museum in Manassa, Colorado. Manassa was Dempsey's birthplace and one of his nicknames was "The Manassa Mauler". It is well off the beaten path and not many visitors were there on that Monday in July 2010. The women in charge that day was very interested to hear that I was from NY and knew about Dempsey's Restaurant. I explained that because the restaurant closed in 1974 (the year I graduated college), I was never able to go there.

[@lorelcoyote1808]

IIRC, that's where the Turk picks up Michael in the first Godfather movie, "in front of Jack Dempsey's."

[@loissimmons6558]

Once Jack Dempsey responds that "at one time" he was known in the world of sports, the cat (not "Fluffy") was out of the bag and it was easy to guess who it was. His segment started fairly late (seated around 19 minutes), so I wonder if he was told to make it easy to be guessed.

[@poetcomic1]

Dempsey looks great for 70.

[@Beson-SE]

John was named "Sitting Calf" by the Blackfeet Indian tribe and said "If they try to name me 'Sitting Bull,' I'll Sioux." Oh, what a pun! Sioux/sue! :) 3:19

[@SuperWinterborn]

Johan Bengtsson How else, when it comes to riposting Bennett? ;)

[@shirleyrombough8173]

Some dental products, retainers for example, use rubber bands.

[@donnacook8994]

🥰👏

[@michaelnivens6267]

I like the way Tony put Dorothy In her place

[@gailsirois7175]

Tony is very smug and pretentious..not a fan

[@TheBatugan77]

@@gailsirois7175 GivesAShit? You're not a fan. You're the shit that hits one, though.

[@kentetalman9008]

@@gailsirois7175 Why would anyone say such a thing?

[@soulierinvestments]

Arlene to Dempsey: Shortest count he got. LOL. That famous 1927 count of 10 in the Dempsey-Tunney fight in Chicago Soldiers Field probably went for 15 seconds, variously explained as Dempsey not understanding Illinois boxing rules on the subject of counts all the way to a paid-off-referee who was hired to specifically look out for Tunney's interests. I have heard the radio recording of that sequence; it was, to put it straight forwardly, chaotic.

[@loissimmons6558]

+soulierinvestments I have always heard it explained that the requirement for a boxer to go to a neutral corner had only been recently instituted and in the heat of the moment, Dempsey forgot the new rule. In fact much of Dempsey's earlier success came by knocking down an opponent and attacking him when he tried to get up. But in this fight, because he didn't withdraw right away to a neutral corner, the referee didn't begin the count until Dempsey finally got the message and withdrew. That gave Tunney enough time to clear his cobwebs, get up and continue the bout. Ironically something similar happened in the second Ali-Liston fight. Ali refused to retreat to a neutral corner for quite a while after Liston went down. The referee, former heavyweight champion Jersey Joe Walcott, would not start the countdown until Ali withdrew. But when Liston got up after about 20 seconds, the timekeeper informed Walcott that Liston had been down for more than 10 seconds and Walcott stopped the fight, declaring Ali the winner. No wonder Dempsey said that he wouldn't dignify the fight by commenting on it.

[@saverioman]

@@loissimmons6558 Lois, you are correct. If you You Tube his fight with Jess Willard you'll see that he stood by waiting for Willard to get up, then hit him again. All of the conspiracy theories are nonsense.

[@soulierinvestments]

Dempsey on the subject of rival Tunney and his sons -- the one son became a Senator from California for a term -- defines good sportsmanship. If modern boxers can remember their opponents when they are senior men, it would be darned interesting to hear what they say about them. Modern boxing not exactly polite sport.

[@hyperbius760]

This reminds me of Max Schmeling and Joe Louis who also became friends after they retired from their boxing careers. Schmeling helped Joe Louis financially in his later years.

[@charleswinokoor6023]

Dempsey was part American Indian, Jewish and Irish.

[@dovbarleib3256]

Dempsey should not have said, "At one time". There was no reason to tell the panel that he had retired from playing sports.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

Isn't Arlene looking particularly fetching and cute tonight? I mean it's hard to top her regular wonderful self, tonight, but, well, I'm in love!

[@Beson-SE]

You seem to be obsessed by Arlene! :)

[@MrJoeybabe25]

Johan Bengtsson Well it was between Bennett, John, Dorothy, and Arlene. :>)

[@Beson-SE]

Joe Postove And you chose Arlene? I rest my case... ;)

[@MrJoeybabe25]

:>)

[@brigitkelly5317]

yes, her hairstyle is different and really flattering on her,

[@yawlltube]

"Is it small enough that I could hold it in my mouth easily?" "Small enough to hold in your mouth." A bubble of levity from Tony Randall amidst the sheer tedium of Kilgallen's questions.

[@preppysocks209]

yes, it was something Dorothy could have held both in her hand and her mouth

[@dianefiske-foy4717]

I don’t think Dorothy is tedious in her questioning! To each his own, I guess.

[@shirleyrombough8173]

@@dianefiske-foy4717 - I don't either. Dorothy's questions are always astute and exemplify her brilliant sleuthing skills. Aren't you sorry you asked?

[@michaelnivens6267]

Dorothy could be exasperating at times

[@dianemutchler9213]

I enjoy Dorothy. She's not tedious. Dorothy's mind is sharp. She peels away the layers. Has a great giggle too. Dorothy and Arlene are my favorites.

[@loissimmons6558]

I'm not sure if Dorothy's question starting at 11:42 is tautological or pedantic or both. I am usually an admirer of the thoroughness her questions, even when others who post on this channel are not. But her sparring here with John was annoying. Even though she didn't specifically mention a "substitute", a question about whether the product did something that couldn't be done without it can be answered "no" if the thing being done can be accomplished with a substitute. Ironically, the one thing for which there was no substitute, the use of rubber bands in orthodontics, meant that Tony should have gotten a yes to his question as to whether the product is used for health (or cleanliness).

[@philippapay4352]

@Lois Simmons - Indeed, Tony should have gotten a YES to his health query. And I think you are right about Dorothy here. If her question was meant to be truly "without" the product, then without the product could include substitutes for it or not. Usually, Dorothy was the most logical of questioners, but in this case she clearly had something in her head that was not coming out of her mouth as she'd intended. Her correction did not include a statement "cannot be done without it or some substitute for it." She didn't state it well nor did she clarify it well for John. However, she and John had not been getting along well for maybe a decade at this point, she was under huge stress, and John often stuck to his guns wrongly.

[@robertfiller8634]

@@philippapay4352 Dorothy looked angry in that exchange, not the sweet gal she once was.

[@tomitstube]

i'll bet everyone back at the rubber band factory were like, "mary jane cleans up nice."

[@loissimmons6558]

It was going to be a short round when the first challenger identified herself as being from Monticello, NY. I'd have a lot more money if I had a dollar for every time I drove through Monticello on NY Route 17 (aka "The Quickway" and soon to be part of Interstate 86) whether it was taking my brother to college, or when I went to college, or many other times when I was going various places in central or western upstate NY. The first time was when we took my brother to college in September 1968 (when the 4 lane highway hadn't been completed past Roscoe), only a few years after this episode. At that time, the resorts and the race track was just about all there was in Monticello. With the exception of a large regional hospital about 2 miles NNW in Harris (Catskill Regional Medical Center), it is pretty much the same today. Wikipedia is correct when it reports that Monticello's "downtown became derelict after the decline of the tourism industry in the 1960's. It largely remains so today."

[@galileocan]

Oh Dorothy...for God's sake, quit arguing and put a lid on it

[@alskndlaskndal]

Interesting little anecdote from John to begin the show. I can recall at least one Native American guest, a great Hollywood stunt rider (can't remember his name).

[@Beson-SE]

Do you mean Yakima Canutt?

[@SuperWinterborn]

Reluctant Dragon Rodd Redwing was on in 1958. Here's a little piece, showing his invitation to WML on KZbin: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6a7iXeOqtaifqc You will also find an article on him at Wikipedia. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodd_Redwing

[@hyperbius760]

I recall another Native American that appeared as a guest who was a member of the US Army. Upon entering the studio he wrote on the blackboard his native name although later on he provided his registered name.

[@sandrageorge3488]

There was also a fellow who taught people in movies to shoot guns. Anothrr fellow who wrote Valentine cards. So maybe 5 or 6 times.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

They're stuck on the mouthal area. It seems that John is including dental rubber bands in her product, but then again, I'm not sure.

[@larryteren5054]

the moment that lady said she was from monticello i said she works at the race track. i was there more than 25 years ago. way too easy. don't know why they exposed where she lived. and i bet trifectas the night i was there- like she said. you could spread the bet.

[@jacquelinebell6201]

😅😅😅 Love John's joke at the beginning lol.

[@leannsherman6723]

Jack Dempsey was certainly a dignified gentleman - a far cry from Mike Tyson et al.

[@PsyphaX09]

Arlene looked like Helen Mirren in this episode.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

At 15:50, about, Arlene seems to jump back from Dorothy's expertise. She literally moves over.

[@brigitkelly5317]

yes, it was very noticeable, and didn't seem to be in fun either

[@MrJoeybabe25]

I wonder if Arlene was a little intimidated by Dorothy?

[@brigitkelly5317]

Joe Postove I was thinking it looked like, "well, sorry Dorothy, I was just trying to help, so don't bite my head off." I think Dorothy could get very serious about guessing the person's occupation. She seemed frustrated that she wasn't getting anywhere with her questions. Your thoughts?

[@TheBraveIntrovert]

+Brigit Kelly I totally agree....Dorothy was too serious with the game and she seemed annoyed or frustrated maybe because she didn't want to get mixed up or knocked off her train of thought. I think Arlenes reaction was like Oh excuse me I was only trying to help.

[@donhailer4994]

Arlene also flinches similarly at Tony after she makes a corny pun about the revelation of the rubber band lady. I think she was a little tipsy that night and perhaps overly dramatic.

[@georgemartin1436]

Hard to feel bad watching these shows like Kyoto Tachibana perform

[@owlperchedsilo3745]

the man had a skull made of concrete and hands of stone.

[@donaldleroy6502]

This is a good one, they were really stumped by the rubber band lady

[@preppysocks209]

The commenters are all favorably disposed to Dempsey. But every first year law student knows that Dempsey breached a contract to fight Harry Wills in Chicago in 1926. Wills was a leading Black fighter and certainly as a champion, Dempsey never fought a Black boxer. Whether Dempsey was afraid of losing to a Black man or whether he was racist, I don't know, but he breached was supposed to be a world heavyweight bout with Wills in preparation for fighting a different bout with Dempsey, that he was favored to win but lost. The question in the case had to do with whether the promoter could recover various categories of damages that he claimed Dempsey owed as consequential damages for the breach of the contract. For example, Dempsey fights brought in huge gate receipts and the promoter sought lost profits. However, the court ruled that the lost profits damages claim was too speculative and refused to award such damages to the plaintiff.

[@sonnydortmund1513]

Dempsey signed the contract to fight Wills. He sparred blacks. His management didn’t want it because of the national uproar of a certain Jack Johnson. Do some homework before sprouting eediacy.

[@preppysocks209]

@@sonnydortmund1513 No one said Dempsey didn't sign the contract with Wills. The case, Chicago Coliseum v. Dempsey, arose because Dempsey breached it. No one said Dempsey didn't "spar" with Black boxers, meaning to train. My statement is well supported in fact. The uproar over Jack Johnson occurred about 15 years before Dempsey signed, and then breached, his contract with Wills. Had they really had that concern, his management never would have had Dempsey sign the contract in the first place. Physician heal thyself -- do your own homework.

[@sonnydortmund1513]

@@preppysocks209 Na. You’re wrong & I’m right.

[@Brian-uy2tj]

Mike Tyson was asked about former champions and how he would do against them. He said that Jack Dempsey was the one who really scared him, that Jack such a fierce, vicious even, competitor.

[@soulierinvestments]

RE: Dempsey's public support of stronger federal laws governing boxing and Bennett's question about the May 1965 Lewiston Maine fight between Ali and Liston. Crime syndicates probably influenced both of the Ali-Liston fights. Various groups certainly influenced the May 1965 fight in which Liston took the biggest dive in the history of dives. The fight was held out in the middle of heaven-only-knows-where Maine, was a complete bore until 1:44 when Ali destroyed Liston, then the fight fizzled off after the time keeper finally figured out that Liston had been incapacitated for 10 seconds. Dempsey's involvement in this boxing reform PR is a little ironic: some have accused organized crime of influencing on the referee level the long count of the 1927 Dempsey - Tunney fight

[@alysencameron361]

Maybe Dempsey's vocalizations for regulations is because of his fight with Tunney.

[@waldolydecker8118]

@@alysencameron361 - if so, then he's nearly 40 years too late...if a comedian delivered his punch line 40 years late, you'd smack him upside the head for being untimely.

[@waldolydecker8118]

The 1965 "Congressional" hearings that are yapped about here are largely comical. Corruption and Mob activity in the boxing game is as old as boxing itself; kinda like Las Vegas and underworld activity - they've been together since Day 1. How many "Congressional" hearings had been held since professional boxing was established in the late 1800's? Probably not too many - even with all the clear Mob activity, deaths/permanent injuries in the ring, Black Champions like Jack Johnson being harassed, then barred from title bouts - certainly plenty for Congress to look into way before 1965. You can't argue that the boxing game in 1965 operated worse, more corrupt, or less healthful than it had the previous six decades, but what you could argue in 1965 was that for one of the few times in the prior six decades, the heavyweight title was passing from one black guy to another, and this new champion (Muhammad Ali) was some kinda 'Nation of Islam' Muslim guy that scared the establishment, who hated him. In 1965, a look at the heavyweight contender pipeline also indicated there was a good chance that the next champion that looked like Dempsey or Ingemar Johansson might not be for a number of years - a perfect scenario for Congress to jump in and, as John Daly so stereotypically says here, "restore Boxing to the greatness of (Dempsey's) day"...sort of a 'Make Boxing (America) Great Again' Congressional hearing - problem is, boxing was far MORE corrupt and troublesome when Dempsey fought than in 1965...but hey, why let the facts get in the way of a good feeling or story; thus Congressional hearings.

[@petermurphy8404]

the great fighter that ever live

[@robertfiller8634]

Do you mean greatest?

[@MrJoeybabe25]

I wonder if the second contestant was in the Miss Universe pageant before beginning her rubber band career?

[@loissimmons6558]

Uh oh, Arlene has a rival for Joe's affections.

[@robertfiller8634]

@@loissimmons6558 Ha Ha! Good one, Lois!

[@VahanNisanian]

2:02 Hypocrisy alert: The stations responsible for editing the word "Live" from Johnny Olson's introduction, had no problem leaving Mr. Cerf's mention of the word alone.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

He was referring to the audience, which is live whether the show itself is taped or not.

[@barrythomas615]

Interesting that Bennett Cerf and Jack Dempsey reference a then-recent fight featuring a boxer named Cassius Clay. To most generations born after the 1960s, Clay was eventually known as Muhammed Ali.

[@loissimmons6558]

Ali had already changed his name by the time of his second fight with Sonny Liston. But many people, including most sportswriters, were resisting using his new name. In part that was because sportswriters of that day tended to want to focus on sports and keep extraneous controversial topics out of the story. It would have been one thing had Ali converted to Islam. But he had become affiliated with the highly controversial Nation of Islam founded by Elijah Muhammad which had been considered a hate group by much of the American public and leaders. (Ali had actually joined within a year of his winning his Olympic gold medal, but Elijah Muhammad only gave him permission to make his membership known to the public after Ali won the championship in his first fight with Liston. In fact, a Miami newspaper leaked a story on Ali being a member of the Nation of Islam prior to the first fight and it almost caused the fight to be cancelled.) Then there was the fact that Ali was the antithesis of the general public's image of the ideal sports champion. If a champion was outspoken, then he had to be extremely gregarious, someone who loved kids: someone like Babe Ruth or Archie Moore. Otherwise, he had to be confident but humble: gracious towards opponents in victory and defeat: Joe Louis, Jesse Owens, Lou Gehrig or Joe DiMaggio. At best, Ali was seen as a loud mouth braggart. At worst, racism was a part of how people viewed him: the archetypal uppity N______ . Ali's efforts to evade the draft made him even more controversial and spawned that much more negative sentiment. For quite some time, Ali was more accepted and liked outside of his home country than within. It was more than just a name change. It took time for the American public at large to accept Ali, the person.

[@taraxacum]

As Lew Alcindor became Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

[@davidsanderson5918]

Do people seriously not know these things already? Muhammad Ali (Cassius Clay) was a phenomenon across several continents.

[@jackkomisar458]

@@loissimmons6558 Ali could be gregarious. In 1968, he visited my high school (Weaver High, Hartford, CT) and went to talk to the students in every classroom.

[@RonGerstein-tf5tp]

The boxer being discussed was born "Cassius Clay JUNIOR".

[@jogman262]

Dempsey looks like he can still kick ass.

[@jimclark6256]

He could and did, in his 70's he knocked out two would be muggers who were stupid enough to try and rob him.

[@michaeldanello3966]

Mrs. Puglese pronounced her name Pull-glaze. In Italian it would be Pool-yay-say, much more poetic and lilting

[@mikejschin]

Everything is more poetic and lilting in Italian. I absolutely love that language, and that country. Would love to be able to speak more than a few words of Italian. A conversation would have to be totally enchanting.

[@shirleyrombough8173]

I had a colleague whose last name was Puglese. He;pronounced it Poogleese. I agree with the writer above that the correct pronunciation in Italian should hsve been Pulyaysay. I hate when people mispronounce their own names! I also knew someone named d'Angelo. They (wrongly) pronounced it dee Angelo. It should have been Dan jello. Argh.

[@dnhy7951]

​@@mikejschin Italians are loud.

[@marycleary7810]

I thought John was referring to trying to pull a tooth at home !

[@glenbinnie2086]

The 1965 (male) audience didn’t seem to have any hesitation in showing appreciation for attractive women contestants. And no one on the show has a problem with them doing so!

[@susanrutherford866]

Jack Dempsy guessed so quickly you have to wonder how unless they already knew in advance.

[@RonGerstein-tf5tp]

Jack Dempsey was so popular, he owned a restaurant named after him.

[@gretchenking5952]

What happened in the fight between Clay and Liston that was so controversial?

[@scottstacey7447]

The fight lasted less than two minutes and Liston went down on what was termed a "Phantom" punch. Even in slow-motion, it was difficult to determine what floored Liston and he stayed flat on his back for more than five minutes. Rumors were flying that Liston took a dive and many people thought that it was way too obvious the way that Liston fell so quickly.

[@kenyongray2615]

It was rumored that the fight might have been fixed.

[@fanorama1]

Dorothy was sorta bitchy during the rubber band lady questioning.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

When Bennett gives an example of "the back" as a part of the body that rubber bands would come in contact with, he takes exception to John's "no" answer. I'm surprised he would do that. Or was he just fooling around?

[@jackkomisar458]

There was some cross-talk that made the conversation hard to follow, but it appears that Bennett was asking whether the product would come in contact with a specific part of the body, using "the back" only as an example. But John Daly interpreted Bennet's question to mean "Does the product come in contact with the back?" and gave him a "No". Bennett protested briefly but then gave in.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

@@jackkomisar458 I think Bennett almost always gave in to John. Well, what else could he do? John WAS the moderator. But I think BC did object strenuously a few times to John's decision.

[@atronish]

About Jack Dempsey en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Dempsey

[@janetwilliams7665]

Tony was being a real prick on that hotel industry thing. How many times did they say NO.

[@Retroscoop]

Sometimes I'm trying to imagine Dorothy at 10, 12.... Was she already so.... well.... Bombarding people with difficult questions ?

[@TheBatugan77]

Benny... for you... 2+2 is a difficult question. So in your case, the answer is yes.

[@TyrSkyFatherOfTheGods]

All fluffy, all the time.

[@WhatsMyLine]

It's hilarious, isn't it? I honestly think there are now thousands of people who, like me, have ONLY ever heard of "Fluffy" because of the constant plugs for it in these shows. Surprisingly, though it's an almost totally forgotten film, it has uniformly good reviews on the imdb, and several folks in the WML facebook group have made very positive comments about it. It's never been released on home video, so the only chance of seeing it is probably if it pops up on TCM again.

[@loissimmons6558]

Regardless of the opinions of some on the WML Facebook group, at the time of its release "Fluffy" was a movie about a lion but it turned out to be a dog.

[@algoritmosalfredohipicasig7116]

Poleglaze could also be the name of her hairdo.

[@leannsherman6723]

They should’ve never told the panelists where people were from because sometimes it made it way too easy for them to figure things out because they traveled a lot.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

Dorothy asks at about 13:20 if you can put anything into rubber bands. I think that one DOES put one's business papers and assorted things into a rubber band? Isn't that the way you would refer to how one uses it?

[@WhatsMyLine]

Joe Postove Really, no-- you put rubber bands around things, you don't put anything into them.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

What's My Line? Secretary to boss: You want I should put these papers in a rubber band, boss?

[@WhatsMyLine]

Joe Postove Is English your first language? ;) I've never heard any such thing.

[@WhatsMyLine]

John Carper I couldn't agree more. Huh?

[@WhatsMyLine]

John Carper Okay. .. the winky emoticon in my message should have indicated a joking tone, but for what it's worth, Joe and I are not strangers. I wouldn't have replied that way to a first time commenter.

[@sherlockhomo-ph4su]

Jack Dempsey has a highly aggressive fish named after him.

[@GCoop1985]

Gosh, I hate the episodes where they guess it right off the bat...when I saw that's where they were headed with the first contestant, I just fast forwarded past it.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

Was Jack Dempsey a talk show regular back in the 50's and 60's?

[@empirical43]

Before his boxing career he hopped the rails and in each town he would go into the salon and offer to fight the toughest man, for money and or food. Never lost and don't make them like him anymore. His professional fights were 20 or 30 rounds. LMAO, today's big boys can't go more then 12 and that's only for a title fight. Dempsey is Mike Tyson's greatest ideal.

[@preppysocks209]

what do you mean never lost? Dempsey lost 6 fights, two of them to Tunney.

[@robertfiller8634]

I think you meant "saloon" and not "salon" - not too many tough guys in hair salons, LOL.

[@shirtless6934]

Oh darn. Phyllis must have slipped up on the mystery guest again.

[@algoritmosalfredohipicasig7116]

No thanks, that sounds like a sucker bet to me, Mrs. Paige.

[@loissimmons6558]

A fool and his money are soon parted. Over the years, I have lived in the vicinity of many racetracks: Aqueduct, Jamaica, Belmont, Meadowlands, Yonkers, and Monticello. I've never gone to any of them, not even once. When I went to Las Vegas I didn't gamble, although I might have just to say I did it: for entertainment value. When I was a student, somewhere around 8th grade, my class was assigned to read "The Autobiography of Malcolm X". (In fact not long after it was published in October 1965.) Malcolm had been involved with numbers running as a young man and one of the things he had learned was the devastating effect that gambling had on poor people. Noting its exploitative nature under such circumstances (in contrast to a friendly card game among friends where the stakes are low), he made a comment to the effect that anyone who gambles and generally wins isn't really gambling. The implication is that either they are cheating, or they are the house.

[@shirleyrombough8173]

I'd Sioux. John: You're not Bennett.

[@whizkidliz]

Dentaphrys??

[@preppysocks209]

dentifrice, a toothpaste

[@gailsirois7175]

Dentrafice...read a book

[@drumbum3.142]

I have No Idea Why; No Disrespect in/when saying I have Always wanted to put a "K" in Jack's last name.. 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♀️🤷🫶

[@rah62]

My word, they were flogging "Fluffy" relentlessly in the summer of '65. It didn't help.

[@WhatsMyLine]

The number of times this totally forgotten film is mentioned is truly staggering, but It's only due to the fact that it was Tony Randall's current film and he was on the panel a lot. In fact, I'd guess that he took as many guest shots on WML around this time as he could specifically in order to get these plugs.

[@soulierinvestments]

Anybody out there seen "Fluffy"? is it as bad as it sounds?

[@Beson-SE]

What's My Line? I think we mention "Fluffy" more than they did in 1965.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

How could you flog a poor animal like Fluffy, if indeed it is an animal. It sounds like a dog, huh?

[@Beson-SE]

Joe Postove Fluffy was a lion.

[@Beson-SE]

John speaks a little South-african or is it German? :) 12:16

[@SuperWinterborn]

Johan Bengtsson More German than Afrikaans, but not what I would consider as "Hochdeutsch" either. (I might be corrected by a better informed commenter on this. ;)

[@neilmidkiff]

It sounds to me like a very good "nonsense" set of syllables in a German-sounding accent, the kind of doubletalk that a comic Mitteleuropean professor character on stage or in a movie might say. Danny Kaye was the master of plausible inflections of gibberish, but John does a fine job of it here. Of course I might be corrected on this as well, but since no one has translated it for us in the last 4 years, I'll risk this opinion.

[@loissimmons6558]

+Neil Midkiff I agree. John used this technique from time to time when he wanted to indicate that some sort of technical term or language should be inserted at this point, but he didn't know the proper term. Danny Kaye was good at it. The acclaimed master was Sid Caesar. He called it "double talk". His parents ran a 24-hour luncheonette. Early in his life, Sid waited on tables and picked up the patois of the patrons, a veritable UN of various ethnic groups: Italians, French, Poles, Russians, Hungarians, Spaniards, et al. While some of them might have been actual words, there was no specific meaning to what he was saying. But the restaurant patrons recognized and were delightfully entertained that he had picked up the accents, the rhythms, the inflections, the physical gestures and other nuances of each language. In this 19 minute sketch, Sid doesn't make his entrance until 5:32, but one can contrast how well he does compared to Howard Morris and Carl Reiner. Sid throws in just enough English words and makes just enough gestures so the audience can follow along as to what happened to him that he is describing. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZm7g41trtxqhNk

[@neilmidkiff]

@@loissimmons6558 Thanks for sharing this clip! I don't remember that Sid Caesar was ever a part of our family television viewing, so I have begun only recently to appreciate his genius from sketches like this and the parody of "This Is Your Life". I'm allergic to war movies, so may have missed out on some specific parody references in "Der Flying Ace" -- but I agree with you that it picks up greatly when Sid enters. Instead of "Hochdeutsch" can we call it "Mochdeutsch"? I don't know if you were trying to imply that Sid coined the term "double talk"; Wikipedia and OED have examples back into the 1930s that don't mention him.

[@loissimmons6558]

+Neil Midkiff I wasn't saying that Sid coined the term. I was only saying that he called what he did "double talk". Glad you enjoyed the clip. Spoofs of war are quite different from war movies.

[@charleswinokoor6023]

You had some really horny guys in the audience judging by their whistles and wolf calls. That’s pretty funny considering the so-called intellectual bent of the show. And after watching many, many episodes from the ‘50s through the early sixties it seems to me to have been something of a tradition that was never discouraged.

[@davidsanderson5918]

Charles Winokoor Daly referred to it for a while with a line similar to 'these old buildings when the wind picks up'....which may have been his way of hinting that he would rather it didn't happen. It didn't work though. There was still a LONG way to go before any of this would be discouraged. Well into the 1980s, menfolk on telly would make reference to ladies' talents in such fashion. And pretty sure, most blokes at home watching were thinking "phwoarrrr, get em off" in their heads......in fact, it all got much worse in the 1970s before it got better. LONNNNG way to go from here before society changed, as I say!!!

[@TheBatugan77]

@@davidsanderson5918 Nothing needed to 'change'. Get over yourself, you pompous ass.

[@thesweeples3266]

Normal male reaction to a beautiful woman. Now some people dont even know what bathroom to use. Nowadays some men compete athletically (and prevail, surprise!) against women …. And are called “brave”.

[@oramonika9758]

I'm too young but back then was it considered a compliment to be catcalled or whistled at?!

[@TheGreatAtario]

Pretty much. In some countries it even included butt-pinching

[@davidsanderson5918]

Ora Monika I disagree with the other reply. I'm old enough to remember it being common behaviour while I was a child but I think a modest answer to your question would be that it was 'tolerated' in ordinary public life. In comedy programmes and movies it would be used for comedy effect and women would be portrayed as actually liking it or sometimes rolling their eyes to their friend as they walked by....but that was all taken as fantasy. "Butt-pinching", I'm sorry but no that wasn't tolerated. Not in my lifetime which stretches back to the mid-60s. It was always an invasion and rightfully worthy of complaint. In fact our family doctor in the 1970s ended up being struck off and going to court about it after serial complaints. Has to be said though, women may still have suffered pressure by men to not say anything about it. It's important to keep the story straight especially when it's a youngster not knowing what it was like.

[@oramonika9758]

@@davidsanderson5918 Thank you! I just re read my statement and it sounded a little judgemental. I was honesty just curious cause society is so much different today but I appreciate you educating me on the matter.

[@TheGreatAtario]

@@davidsanderson5918 You'll note the qualifier "in some countries"

[@gailsirois7175]

No...no matter what is said it gas ALWAYS been demeaning to women ..they just didn't speak up

[@ChrisHansonCanada]

*_TAKES BETS AT RACE TRACK_* *_MAKES RUBBER BANDS_*

[@rogerpropes7129]

Wouldn't it be correct to refer to more than one Blackfoot Indians as Blackfoots?

[@preppysocks209]

Sometimes the Blackfoot Indians are called the Blackfeet. Some members of the tribe find this terminology acceptable and others don't.

[@robertfiller8634]

@@preppysocks209 The plural should be the same as the singular, i.e. Blackfoot.

[@gailsirois7175]

No

[@jeanbusby349]

Enjoying WML but notice as an African American, People of Color were not guest. Apparently it was conceived that Blacks did not have interesting but somewhat odd sources of obtaining an income. Enjoyed the Black entertainers who were mystery guest. Glad they were invited to the show. It’s like having a history class. Belafonte was the most handsome, Muhammad Ali is my hero, and Marian Anderson, Leontyne Price Lena Horne and Ertha Kitt, etc the list goes on. Thanks for the history!

[@neilmidkiff]

Keep watching and you'll find more non-celebrity guests of color than you've noticed so far. WML was actually ahead of its time in showing diversity compared to most TV of its era. I remember a black secretary to the President of the United States, a Native American fighter pilot, an Asian woman who was a jazz pianist, several judges of different backgrounds ... and that's just in what I've seen recently.

[@rogerknights857]

Just two shows before this one (in my sequence, courtesy of KZbin) there was a black woman who inspected band-aids.

[@sdacj]

Agreeing with previous commenters that as shows of this era go, WML was quite progressive. There were several "minority" guests, both celebrity and non-celebrity, and they were treated the same as any other guests. John was one of those who touched the people he was talking to a lot and he never hesitated to do that with the black guests - he shook hands with them, seated the ladies, grasped their arms, put his arm around their shoulders, etc. just like he would if they were Caucasian. This was an age where some shows were getting hate mail for showing blacks and whites touching - Danny Thomas once danced with his black housekeeper on Make Room for Daddy and received horrible mail about it - but there was never any reluctance whatever on the part of John or anyone else on this show.

[@richatlarge462]

You also have to remember that the US was 88% white and 9% black at that time, which in a "fair" representation would have black guests 1/11 of the time, or 4-5 times per year as the mystery guest, and about one regular black challenger every 4-5 episodes. Which is not that far off vs. what actually was happening by these mid-1960s episodes.

[@shirleyrombough8173]

Jean Busby: Actually in later years many people of color were regular contestants and their jobs were as interesting as anybody else's.

[@dianefiske-foy4717]

Yes, you can put something into a rubber band: Hair for a ponytail; Your fingers, etc.

[@OperaJH]

You can put something through a rubber band, not in it, I’m afraid!

[@dianefiske-foy4717]

@@OperaJH ... pretty much what I meant. I just don’t always word things the way I mean them 😊.

[@Mmdmade]

You can put things into rubber bands! Wrong. Deck of cards. Hair……

[@broughtbackin]

That's not putting things IN them...That's putting the rubber band AROUND them. Big difference.

[@stephenvincent4989]

There were numerous sports stars in America but guessing Jack Dempsey via the see thru masks were a knockout.

[@TheBatugan77]

Wish you wore a see-thru ballgag.

[@boognish999]

Once again, Dorothy is taking the game way too seriously. 12:10 To me, this makes terrible television.

[@harpman1876]

What a shame they killed pro boxing, once the greatest sport on the planet.

[@waldolydecker8118]

beating someone bloody upside the head with the goal to knock them unconscious was NEVER the greatest sport on the planet...you are barbarically confused.

[@harpman1876]

@@waldolydecker8118 Oh, a widdle bit of blood hwurts your widdle feeweeings. Haha. I'm sure your parents are really proud of you, Skippy. Thanks for my morning laugh.

[@waldolydecker8118]

@@harpman1876 - You seem confused, dumbo...maybe you've taken a few too many shots over the years upside your empty head. "They" killed the horse and buggy too, huh, as it was once the greatest mode of transportation, before edified society moved past it, lol. Duh...you thought you had 'em dead in the third round, huh? Must be punch drunk. I'm sure your parents have as low an IQ as you since the apple usually doesn't fall too far from the tree. Sad.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

Dental bands are a tool of dentistry in that they are used to move teeth! C'mon, c'mon!

[@savethetpc6406]

Joe Postove More an accessory than a tool. Examples of dental tools would be a drill, a dental mirror, a probe, etc.

[@savethetpc6406]

***** Did the orthodonture work you had produce the desired results? My brother had the same kind of rubber bands when he had braces, but when my own kids had braces, they didn't have that type. They did have some type of tiny rubber or silicone bands wrapped around part of the metal on each tooth. They come in all different colors now too, and the kids get to choose what color they want. Some kids even opt for a rainbow of different colors on their teeth!

[@savethetpc6406]

***** I'm glad to know it worked so well for you. Did you have to wear retainers for a long time afterward? My brother never wore his, and as a result, he lost a lot of the benefit of the original orthodonture. The current philosophy of orthodonture seems to be that patients continue to wear their retainers at least several nights a week indefinitely to ensure that the teeth don't slip back into a bad position.

[@WhatsMyLine]

SaveThe TPC Now you tell me.

[@savethetpc6406]

What's My Line? Lol! I don't know when this thinking/practice started, but my kids both still wear their retainers at night and see their orthodontist a couple of times a year, even though it has been several years since even my younger son had his braces off. I had been wondering when they would be able to stop wearing them, and then we got a general email sent to all patients' families, which explained the philosophy I mentioned above.

[@TheGadgetPanda]

What died on that poor woman's head? It looks like cat.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

It's a cimmaron bun with special ingredaments.

[@SuperWinterborn]

***** A very blond cat, yes. Without cimmaron.

[@russell4824]

What an isulate to native American

[@lindanitzschke1315]

The more I watch these, the more I, too, get a bit tired of all Daly's interruptions...esp. when no elucidation is needed to understand the question.

[@RonGerstein-tf5tp]

John Charles Daly was paid to interrupt.

[@kristabrewer9363]

:( :( :( I like John.... I'd like to say I didn't, but I can't. As frustrating as he is, he's still somewhat likable (just nowhere near as likable as he used to be) , but I am so SICK of him flipping over those stupid cards for no reason. WHY did nobody ever talk to him about that!

[@gailsirois7175]

😉 so obsessed still...

[@ChrisHansonCanada]

The cards are the least interesting thing about the game. Cheer up.