What's My Line? - Trini Lopez; Steve Lawrence [panel] (Jul 4, 1965)

MYSTERY GUEST: Trini Lopez
PANEL: Dorothy Kilgallen, Steve Lawrence, Arlene Francis, Bennett Cerf
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[@MrJoeybabe25]

When I was in talk radio in the 80's I was lucky enough to interview Steve Lawrence when he came to Norfolk, Virginia. He was a great interview and a real sweet man.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

@David Pinegar Yes, he has. Almost 5am here. Watching the marches in NYC.

[@bbailey7818]

And at 88 he still is, I'm sure.

[@maryoliver3868]

This one is Hilarious !! A lot of good ones from Dorothy.

[@stevenj9970]

This is much better television than has been on TV for years perhaps decades

[@carlosdeleon8068]

At this point Trini was 28 years of age. He has just finished a very successful engagement performance for several days at the now- defunct "Basin St East" here in New York City. His show was being attended, amid the audience, by The likes of Eddie Gorme & Steve Lawrence, Sammy Davis, Jr., Ruth & Milton Berle, Jack Cassidy, Eva Gabor, Liz Ashley. A 'live album' ("Trini López live At Basin St. East") was recorded of this show. Unfortunately, Mr. Trini López past away at age 83 due to Covid19 on August 11,2020. Rest in peace.

[@yeahnoonecaresifyouarefirst]

Si! Que pena such a great talent ❤

[@davidhackett3079]

I met Trini Lopez in Orlando Very nice and was more than Happy to give his Autograph on his Photograph at Disney

[@MusicDude86]

You can definitely see the mutual respect between Steve Lawrence and Trini Lopez. Very classy gentlemen!

[@paulbartlett3200]

Trini Lopez 1937-2020, we're grateful for his life,music,& all, so to it is with a heavy, yet happy heart, the memories will everlive!

[@shirleyrombough8173]

How sad that Trini Lopez passed away. Wonderful talent. My condolences to his famiy.

[@karenmallonee3867]

We just lost Mr. Trinidad (Trini) Lopez to Covid-19 a few days ago, August 2020. Prayers for his Family & Friends who love him dearly. His fans will miss him greatly & treasure his music forever! ❤️

[@estherapolonio6935]

I love so dearly TRINI LOPEZ himself and all his fantastic musics, his dictions english or spanish,,, so vivid and very soothing and more his descent moves singing and so gentle dancing... You will be always in my heart till my last breath♥️

[@pinedelgado4743]

OMG!!!! NO!!!! I had NO IDEA!!!!! This is November 9, 2022 and I'm just hearing about Mr. Lopez's passing from reading what you've just written. I really liked him!! My favorite of his numbers was/is IF I HAD A HAMMER. And he even lost his life due to COVID-19!! Sad. :(

[@bigoldinosaur]

Trini Lopez is in one of the best war movies of all time...The Dirty Dozen,

[@jmccracken1963]

And he was supposedly such a royal pain during the filming that the screenwriters and the production team made sure that his character was the first of the dozen killed off in the picture.

[@bettycogswell9851]

Arlene was on the ball here...Love her..

[@OperaJH]

I knew Trini rather well at one time having met and interviewed him in the 70’s. As it turned out at one point I also coincidentally lived in the building next to his. His brother Jesse was also extremely talented. He had had a couple of albums out, but by that time, Trini had unfortunately earned himself a bit of a “difficult” reputation along with his stardom and Jesse couldn’t get past that with the record producers and name-makers. There was a tell-all interview that the late Tom Snyder had with Trini’s famous former manager back in the middle 70’s on that reputation.

[@leanajo754]

So this "reputation" of his do you think is why he stayed single all his life? I wished there was a book about Trini. I love his music, but I still don't know much about his personal life and what he was like.

[@Beson-SE]

Steve Lawrence had that Kennedy casualness of the 60's along with Andy Williams. I think of mohair cardigans and Lacoste shirts when I see him.

[@davidsanderson5918]

Johan Bengtsson Yeah and you can guarantee he uses the word 'swell' a lot.

[@rmelin13231]

Casualness is an appropriate term for it. Smooth would maybe work also. I'm a fan of Steve Lawrence (and Eydie).

[@MrJoeybabe25]

Miss Blood was the cutest garbage collector I ever saw!

[@richatlarge462]

A rare episode when Bennett's puns were actually good.

[@anneschuyler681]

😅😅0

[@masonwheeler6536]

Bennett said "how could anybody refuse her," and did you see the look on the contestant's face at that pun? That look could have just about drawn blood!

[@djhrecordhound4391]

She would have drawn her own name, so then you'd have to say she was recycling 😆😅😂🤣

[@danielfronc4304]

Steve Lawrence is one cool daddy-o.

[@Baskerville22]

Garbage is not a product of the garbage collector. The garbage collector provides a service. John Daly often gets the service/product question wrong. The worst case I remember was that where he said the guy from the Federal Reserve Bank who oversaw the burning of old bank-notes, had a "product". Crazy !!

[@bluecamus5162]

I completely agree. A product is accepted to be a usable, saleable commodity, which garbage is not. Despite Arlene's insight and the amusing aspects of it, the segment was still a confused cluster****, and it was John's fault.

[@user-zo3mh9gw4i]

@@bluecamus5162 John was a well-known, highly respected journalist, and as such, obviously, well-versed in the English language. You people on the other hand can't even figure out that for the show's purpose, and to not give her away, he needed to refrain from using the right word.

[@ericmaine]

The panel missed the cues from the audience who laughed uproariously at the continued references to a pig. Should have been a clue that they were focusing on the wrong thing.

[@dancelli714]

I always felt that they should have a wide chair to accommodate 2 people at least, even though there usually is just one guest that visits the show. The wide chair should be there all the time. I guess my Idea is a bit too late for that to happen now, huh ?.

[@MattGerhard]

I read somewhere that they had a special chair for when there were two guests. It was designed to keep them close together because of camera angles.

[@georgevincent1834]

Trini was a great entertainer.

[@enriquesanchez2001]

The Garbage Collector RESEMBLES a very young Shelley Fabares! ♥

[@davenorth2903]

Back in the day when game shows required intelligence. When men and women dressed appropriately. Where humor was real. When respect was evident. Miss those days.

[@luissantiago8446]

Those of us who remember it, miss it as well, Dave.

[@shirleyrombough8173]

Just keep those pins coming, Bennett and Arlene.

[@shirleyrombough8173]

I wrote PUNS. The bloody system turned it into pins. Which makes no sense at all.

[@aileen694]

@@shirleyrombough8173 Hi Shirley, Yeah, "pins" is really annoying. Dratted technology 🤬. I once sent my daughter a message to expect a "PKG" in the mail. She received just one word: PIG 😯🤣

[@rmelin13231]

A friend recently messaged me that she picked up dinner on the way home from a meeting. Brilliant technology translated it to she "puked up dinner on the way home".

[@Beson-SE]

I just love when Bennett makes fun of John and John stares right in to the camera and says nothing for a while. Just like Oliver Hardy used to do. :) 24:09

[@loissimmons6558]

+Johan Bengtsson And another fine mess Bennett was talking about, humph. :-D

[@theflorgeormix]

Have been waiting for this one, Was 1 day old

[@slc2466]

Love Trini- great to see him in his prime on WML!

[@malcolmmarshall5946]

Hilarious when Dorothy says "This product that is or was partly pig"

[@enriquesanchez2001]

The GARBAGE collector segment was HYSTERICAL♥

[@rmelin13231]

It was classic !

[@apoliticallevi]

I dieddddddddddd such a great segment 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@gregmoorhead7203]

Becky Blood, the first contestant, looks A LOT like Laura Linney.

[@rebl1128]

SHOUT OUT TO MY HOME STATE! South China Maine!

[@teddytodorova]

10:20 "I hope you forgive me for asking this" Only Arlene will apologize that she asks somebody if they are dealing with garbage

[@Baskerville22]

Dorothy had just 4 months to live after this episode. She died on 8 Nov. 1965. So often a question is asked by a clueless celebrity panelist that sets others on the panel pursuing a line of questions that dooms their efforts to discover the contestant's 'line'

[@michaelnivens6267]

Trini !!!

[@yeahnoonecaresifyouarefirst]

Wow what a last name to have... Lol hemoglobin 😂 love you Steve! ❤

[@terranova22]

I don't see how Arlene could have guessed garbage collector!

[@JamieTransNyc]

She probably tried to figure out a product that nobody would use and was sometimes made of various things randomly. Not many things fit the bill.... .

[@davidsanderson5918]

Plus they've had garbage collectors on the show before so they've already been down that avenue.

[@michaelnivens6267]

Arlene Is the best panelist

[@rmelin13231]

Deductive reasoning. Arlene and Dorothy were particularly astute at reading subtle nuances from guests, Mr. Daly, and very much from audience reactions.

[@VahanNisanian]

Trini Lopez was best-known for his cover of Pete Seeger's "If I Had a Hammer". He is one of three folk artists to have covered his music, and appear as Mystery Guest on this show; the other being Peter, Paul, & Mary, and The Kingston Trio.

[@Beson-SE]

He did a fine version of "Cielito Lindo".

[@bobcrestwood740]

+Vahan Nisanian No, he was best known for his hit "Lemon Tree."

[@loissimmons6558]

+Johan Bengtsson Which ironically was used in the 1989 movie "Born on the Fourth of July".

[@loissimmons6558]

+Bob Crestwood "If I Had a Hammer" reached #3 on the Billboard chart. It was number one in 36 countries. It was also his first hit after 5 years of releasing singles which did not chart. "Lemon Tree" only reached #20.

[@OperaJH]

Trini’s version of La Bamba was the most popular and widely played after the original by Ricky Valens. He did everything from Moon River to Malaguena and recorded at least 15 albums.

[@alanfollett6242]

The rhythm of John's "product of the pig" patter beginning around 9:35 somehow reminds me of Danny Kaye's famous "flagon with the dragon" routine from /The Court Jester/.

[@ericmaine]

It’s so funny that the panel is generally so smart, but I didn’t pick it up on the audience is laughter about all the questions they had about the pig. To me it was a dead giveaway that the pig really didn’t have anything to do with the service in general.

[@MrWindermere123]

I remember a different episode when there were two singing garbage collectors who were also funding their college degrees with this part-time work. To be truly self-employed, Miss Blood would visit households by private contract with the residents rather like a gardener or a window cleaner. Is that common in Maine? Or does she pick up street litter? Or clear her college's litter bins? We'll never know.

[@JamieTransNyc]

In many communities of the usa, even to this day, trash removal is private enterprise instead of a tax funded public service. Homeowners are required to hire a trash removal company, and often it has to be a company from an approved list. Most city-dwellers do not know this.

[@furmamafur2]

Yes in Maine there are Still private/family Enterprises and there are also Commercial companies (e.g:."Waste Management" company)

[@kentetalman9008]

Steve Lawrence just passed away yesterday at 88. RIP.

[@VahanNisanian]

As advertised this episode was taped on June 27. The same thing will happen a year later, when two episodes were done on June 26, with the pre-taped one airing on July 3.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

I thought they did the taped version before the live show at 10:30. Yet they are talking about last weeks program.

[@VahanNisanian]

Joe Postove This episode was taped just mere moments before the live airing of the June 27 episode. The glitch thing was first brought up on the June 20 episode. Sometimes, they did give hints that it wasn't a live episode, besides the announcement at the end. For example, Anita Gillette's "second" appearance as guest panelist was correctly stated as her first. There'd be three more live episodes left for the 1964-1965 season.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

***** Thanks, Vahan for clearing that up for me.

[@gailsirois7175]

Trini just passed away last year..2020

[@LarsRyeJeppesen]

12:17 - Arlene's reaction to yet another Bennet joke... is so funny

[@shirleyrombough8173]

Lars Rye Jeppesen - "Refuse...waste..." Funny. You gotta love the puns.

[@ericmaine]

It's almost like hearing a St. Olaf story from Rose on the Golden Girls

[@1jamyc]

a few unrelated observations: 1) Bennett usually shows off his geographic brain. Not tonight. After he was told that China Maine is about 12 miles east of Augusta, he should have know thats not near the ocean, so her job was not likely to be related to lobster or clams. 2) I know it was a different time, but Trini Lopez said he did rock and roll?? 3) Trini and John pronouncing Monaco as "Mon ACK o". I never heard it that way before. 4) At the end, Steve telling Arlene to "have fun in Holyoke". OUCH!!!

[@Fush1234]

What a bloody job.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

Along with "Hollywood Palace" on ABC in 1965, I think "The Steve Lawrence Show" on CBS was the last of the new black and white variety series. Is his show online?

[@rmelin13231]

If it isn't, it should be.

[@perryjohnson1801]

I know it wasn't thought of then. However, many of the comments that Bennett Cerf made on the show would be considered today sexist to women. I am just saying how different 1965 is to 2021 today.

[@soulierinvestments]

Lopez is 77 now. On this night he was about 28. His debut album came out two years before. This is WML youth appeal.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

WML had a few folk acts on (Peter, Paul and Mary... some other I think) but did they ever have a full blown rocker on?

[@49yt]

Joe Postove I think it would depend on the definition of "full blown rocker". I would say at least fitting into soft rock or pop there was Ricky Nelson, Fabian, Paul Anka, Connie Francis, Diahann Carroll, Chubby Checker, Steve Lawrence, Eydie Gorme come to mind. Oh, also The Supremes (this is my 3rd edit to add someone who later came to mind). Later, harder rock, can't think of any on the CBS 1950-1967 WML.

[@49yt]

Joe Postove In the folk category, mentioned already are Trini Lopez, Peter, Paul & Mary, The Kingston Trio. Also there was Harry Belafonte and The Smothers Brothers. I'm not sure where The McGuire Sisters fit in but they were on five times as mystery guests on the CBS 1950-1967 WML.

[@soulierinvestments]

Syndicated WML had full blown rockers as guests.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

soulierinvestments By the 70's most rockers were....oh never mind.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

I wonder on this July 4th, 1965 how many of the cast were wearing red, white and blue.

[@janeiwasduncan8463]

The show was in black and white. Who could tell ??

[@davidsanderson5918]

Do you yourself wear red, white and blue on July the 4th?

[@benlewis754]

Trini came back in 1973. After the show they're all by the curtains. Arlene and the other three totally ignore him. Only host Larry Blyden speaks to him.

[@shirleyrombough8173]

If the first contestant was a model for an art class would the students be considered to be drawing blood? Sorry. She probably heard that too many times.

[@shirleyrombough8173]

Maybe Ms. Blood looks so ticked off because she expected all the silly jokes about her name or occupation.

[@VahanNisanian]

Funny how the cast and crew of "What's My Line?" had the night off on July 4, 1965, but not in 1954, the last time July 4 fell on a Sunday.

[@64chromedome]

That's because videotape was not in general use at the time. The first videotape was demonstrated back in 1951, however, professional quality videotape didn't come into existence until 1956.

[@teriannebeauchamp254]

Whatsmyline when did Dorothy give up wearing her signature cloth tie on blindfold for the sunglass style one?

[@danielfronc4304]

Teri Anne Beauchamp When she got a boufant (ie.puffy) hairdo which a tie down blindfold would irreparably crush down during the show.

[@soulierinvestments]

RE: first contestant last name Blood. There are plenty of people of the highest station whose last name is Blood. There’s Captain Blood. One of Utah’s governor’s had the last name Blood.

[@miriamfeigenbaum3611]

and Captain Blood was also a "bachelor of medicine" -- although in those days that profession wasn't considered being of high station. Sabatini has long been my favorite adventure story author.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

***** What is a "bachelor of medicine"? What do they typically do as a profession?

[@miriamfeigenbaum3611]

Joe Postove He was a surgeon. The novel was set in 1688 and I guess that was the terminology of the time.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

***** Was a physician and a surgeon considered different professions in 1688, Miriam. Could barbers do surgery then?

[@miriamfeigenbaum3611]

Joe Postove I'm no expert. But I think that the answer to both questions is "yes". I also think that, at the time, the "Bachelor of Medicine" was the highest degree available, so he would have been more qualified than a barber.

[@galileocan]

Trini Lopez and John Daly say the name of Monaco as "Mo-NAC-co" with the emphasis on the 2nd syllable. I've never heard one person, let alone two pronounce it that way. I've always pronounced it "mah-nah-co"

[@WhatsMyLine]

Galileocan g It's just a good thing it wasn't Bennett who pronounced it that way, or you'd have been ALL OVER him for it. :)

[@galileocan]

yes...Bennett and his Pittsa Pies being eaten while flying in a Heeelocopter

[@WhatsMyLine]

***** When John touched the contestants in any way other than to shake hands, it was to nudge them to stand in the correct spot for the cameras. He wasn't being "touchy feely".

[@JamieTransNyc]

This is the latin-american pronunciation of Monaco. John was being empathetic and pronouncing it the same as the guest. Most successful hosts either deliberately or by nature adopt speech patterns and sometimes even body positions of the people they are interviewing as a way to make them more comfortable.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

I love Trini Lopez. Does he have a slight speech impediment?

[@JamieTransNyc]

He was probably weak in english usage at this point in his life, and somewhat self-conscious about it.

[@carlosdeleon8068]

I don't think it had to do either with ...impediment or his English, but that he was a genuine shy person .

[@sandrageorge3488]

It is his spanish accent?

[@MrJoeybabe25]

Why does John go into one of his linguistic contortions about whether or not Steve would use a garbage man? C'mon, c'mon! If he didn't use a garbage man do you think Dorothy and Arlene would sit next to him?

[@Beson-SE]

Because anything concerning garbage, diapers, garters and maternity dresses are always sooo funny on WML. :)

[@MrJoeybabe25]

Johan Bengtsson Alka-Seltzer is funny. You say 'Alka-Seltzer', you get a laugh... Words with 'k' in them are funny. Casey Stengel, that's a funny name. Robert Taylor is not funny. Cupcake is funny. Tomato is not funny. Cookie is funny. Cucumber is funny. Car keys. Cleveland... Cleveland is funny. Maryland is not funny. Then, there's chicken. Chicken is funny. Pickle is funny." what movie?

[@Beson-SE]

Joe Postove I had to peek otherwise I wouldn't have known the answer. :) "The Sunshine Boys" with George Burns and Walter Matthau from 1975 based on the play of the same name ny Neil Simon.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

Johan Bengtsson Good, but no peeking!

[@Beson-SE]

Joe Postove Ok no peeking next time. At least I am honest about it. :)

[@davidarcudi230]

He's up in the tree ....

[@MrJoeybabe25]

I thought Miss Blood would be a vampiress or a nurse.

[@shirleyrombough8173]

Joe Postove - Your remark was worse than mine. (They always are!).

[@boognish999]

Am I the only one that's irritated when Bennett Cerf gets a "no" response and is confounded as to why? 16:55 This happens quite frequently.

[@davidsanderson5918]

Yep. Still only one. Doesn't bother me in the least.

[@sandrageorge3488]

Dorothy does it too.

[@joelfogelsanger5773]

It's his bloated ego that makes him do that. He's deep down a very insecure person who was always seeking approval.

[@aileen694]

@@sandrageorge3488 But Dorothy's objections are always clear and logical - to me anyway! Cerf's muddy speaking style always bugged me, usually trying to decipher his words!

[@rmelin13231]

He even seems to pout sometimes when he's wrong. I'm with the other poster - doesn't bother me.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

Arlene said "I asked my husband for a sparkler". Was she being naughty?

[@johnniepriest1086]

I thought she was referencing a diamond!

[@lorihansen8674]

She's always saucy!

[@keithhyttinen8275]

A diamond ring!

[@philippapay4352]

@Joe Postove - I took her to mean she wanted a gift with diamonds, so he misunderstood and told her they were illegal. In Philly we have always had sparklers as part of the pyrotechnics available for Independence Day and Martin Gabel was from Philly, so he knew what she meant and loved to tease his wife.

[@beadyeyedbrat]

Can't you just ask, "do you sing"?

[@MrJoeybabe25]

The garbageman can! kzbin.info/www/bejne/mKCkiHmonrqmg9E

[@JanetM-ro6xc]

Why do they misprounce Monaco? John Daly should know better! Disappointing!

[@brandonflorida1092]

It seems as though WML is simply not willing to bring on a rock star. They bring on Trini Lopez, who is not a rock musician, to try and stay relevant. They'll bring on a succession of pre-rock stars like Tony Bennett, who will never chart again due to changing musical tastes, but absolutely no rock performers, even though real super-stars are now available.

[@nataliep.9047]

Ricky Nelson, Fabian, Paul Anka, Lieber and Stoller, Bobby Darin, and (in the syndicated version) Frank Zappa were all on WML. BTW, Tony Bennett's album of duets with Lady Gaga went to #1 on the Billboard album chart.

[@brandonflorida1092]

@@nataliep.9047 First of all, Paul Anka did a lot of non-rock music, so they could stomach him. Secondly, Stoller and Leiber weren't performers. Parenthetically, Dorothy insulted them to their face, although sotto voce, twice during the few minutes they were there. Without Lady Gaga's participation, an album by the former superstar Tony Bennett wouldn't have done much on the charts.

[@shadowgirl8038]

John often went a little overboard with "explaining" answers.

[@kristabrewer9363]

the middle guy is a vice president and yet he flips over those stupid cards, but he didn't flip over those stupid cards for the 1st person (which actually shocked me, cause he's ALWAYS flipping over those stupid cards for no reason)

[@shirleyrombough8173]

The 'stupid cards' played an important role in this program.

[@soulierinvestments]

9:00 > 9:50 -- Dorothy and pig garbage . When Dorothy is funny, it is a big bonus. Daly is a master of semantics as illustrated here. Classic moment. Refuse her. Waste . Litter. Isle of Debris. And all of that was unscripted off the points of their pretty little heads.

[@loissimmons6558]

+soulierinvestments I bet they couldn't wait to put this episode in the can.

[@shirleyrombough8173]

They all had such a good time with the garbage collector. Was so much fun!

[@jackkomisar458]

Steve Lawrence thought he would get a laugh by calling her "Miss Hemoglobin", but his attempt was in vein.

[@aileen694]

@@jackkomisar458 🤣

[@Cathy65]

Wasn't this shortly before Dorothy Kilgallen was found in her home dead or murdered?

[@preppysocks209]

dead yes, murdered no

[@preppysocks209]

dead yes, murdered, no

[@syd8802]

I personally think she was murdered

[@sandrageorge3488]

I also think she was murdered.

[@gbrumburgh]

She overdosed on pills and alcohol. No signs of struggle. In her bed. Her death has been sadly sensationalized.

[@janetmarletto6667]

WOW! Mispronunciations of Monaco! Embarrassing! It shows how provincial things were then. That is why newscasters have to be correct and precise in all reported. It has gotten worse in terms of verb tenses.About 95% do past participles incorrectly. Of course,use of pronouns has deteriorated. I would rather watch YT than news on TV/Cable.

[@neilphelan145]

The panel seemed anxious to contribute to the need of Miss Bloods service with all of the crap they spewed out of their mouths.

[@user-zo3mh9gw4i]

What a difference from the crap they call game shows nowadays.

[@michaelnivens6267]

Their garbage puns are " offal "