What's My Line? - Jack Lemmon; Jerome Hines [panel] (Apr 10, 1960)

[@scottmiller6495]

Jack Lemmon was a true superb actor, gentleman and class act, PERIOD!!!!!

[@greeneyes2256]

Sir Oliver’s snorting was adorable, as was he.

[@edwinrivera8449]

Sir Oliver was one of the most pleasant guest. He was like a little boy having fun.

[@rmelin13231]

He was one of the most enjoyable in my opinion too. Having a good time.

[@shirleyrombough8173]

An opera singer! Bravo! The one area of performance that was pretty much ignored. I wish they'd have had more.

[@steph13326ify]

Jack Lemmon doing Daphne here is utterly adorable--a cute little reprise of one of his best performances.

[@tedoneilclark4710]

That's what gave him away 😅

[@lilybean835]

Arlene is always impeccably dressed. It's incredible. Everything she wears is cut and tailored perfectly for her figure, which is also flawless, and the attention to detail, everything from the neckline to the bias, the hem, everything, and I don't know how she drapes a stole over one shoulder and it stays there like it's glued. She's perfection personified.

[@dawnfalvey6766]

Lily Bean I was thinking the exact same thing! It’s one of the reasons I watch- to see what she will be wearing. She’s the epitome of style and sophistication. Sexy and feminine without being cheap and trampy.

[@stevekru6518]

And smart and funny

[@christinecatt5391]

I am sure the majority of those outfits were supplied to her on loan from various haute couture houses in and around New York. That was normal back in the 1960's television.

[@taraxacum]

@@christinecatt5391 I believe that the now defunct luxury department store Bonwit Teller was one that loaned dresses to her and Dorothy Kilgallen.

[@Merrida100]

I LOVE JACK LEMMON! This was brilliant. Too bad it wasn't longer. He's magnificent. Loved seeing him "do Daphne!"

[@BrookeBullmasterStewart]

Ok, did anyone else notice the adorable way Sir Oliver would ‘snort’ when he laughed?!! Oh my gosh... so cute. What a fun guest.

[@normasandow]

I bet he has sleep apnea

[@JD-jc8gp]

Adorable? He's a disgusting swine.

[@fionajones8231]

Such a lovely and humble man with a great sense of humour. Looked him up. What a hero.

[@sunlion9676]

Yes! He kinda snorted! It cracked me up! 😂😂😂 wasn’t he very distinguished!

[@taraxacum]

Jerome Hines: tall and broad-shouldered , great opera singer, composer, and mathemician.

[@aspenrebel]

Never heard of him never saw him before

[@rtflone]

@@aspenrebel And now you have. Look him up very talented fellow..

[@JD-jc8gp]

He could be Clark Kent.

[@markiangooley]

He was 6’6” tall, and a very good bass singer. Wrote a book of interviews of his fellow opera singers, asking them about their technique and practice. I found it helpful with my own singing.

[@roscoesnell7961]

I heard him three or four times in concert. It would have been in the 1970’s.

[@edwinrivera8449]

I am a Bell Boy at The Hotel Del Coronado. This is were the movie Some Like It Hot was Filmed. It is played it 24 hours a day on the Del channel. It is one of my favorite buildings.

[@skyedog24]

History has been very kind to Jack lemmon ,he did not need an award these movies are timeless classics and they will stand the test of time every single time you enjoy the 🎥🍿🎟️ movie.

[@lilybean835]

I simply enjoyed Sir Oliver SO, SO much and I wish he made multiple appearances (like the man from Scotland, who both he and his son grew roses,...remember he had a giant, burly beard and he wore loud, plaid, mis-matching clothes?) Loved them. But Sir Oliver was such a joy!

[@soulierinvestments]

Hines has the most incredible voice, even just speaking.

[@shirleyrombough8173]

I love the opera singer. Really quite handsome.

[@lindashelley3635]

I came here straight from watching Jack Lemmon’s appearance on the show in 1957, and it’s noticeable that his reception from the audience was much more enthusiastic and vociferous here just three years later. He had obviously become a much bigger and more popular star during that time.

[@2emeraldeyes]

I fell in love with Jack Lemmon when I first saw him in the film "Some like it Hot" some years ago (not when it came out, I wasn't born yet!) I've been a MM fan since I was a teen so of course I saw that movie and JL stole my heart and threw away the key. After that I've seen many of his pictures. He will always be my ever favorite comedy male actor. My favorite character he played is "Daffney" SLH. I am a female upright bass/string bass player (or as Daffney called it "bull fiddle") so that character will always be so dear to my heart!

[@dcasper8514]

2emeraldeyes. who cares ?

[@shirleyrombough8173]

- It's actually spelled Daphne. It's kind of an old fashioned name.

[@keymaninmusic]

DCasper, no one cares about you!

[@TimLeeSongs]

Lovely story and great to hear from someone else who loves SLIH and the wonderful Jack Lemon.

[@chiedu90069]

I have listened to the great Jerome Hines many times, but I had no idea that he was such a tall, strapping handsome man! What a magnificent figure he must have cut on the Metropolitan Opera stage.

[@allenjones3130]

Jerry Hines was one of the few opera basses to achieve superstar status.

[@TheGreatAtario]

Holy moly, Mr Hines is a mountain of a man

[@EmilyGloeggler7984]

What a humble hero - he helps save people and stands for freedom during WW2, and yet raises cactus. :) He seemed like such a kind and gentle man, I'd love to have met and had tea with him.

[@sunlion9676]

Emily- the info on wiki about him makes for an interesting read!

[@VahanNisanian]

Jack Lemmon & Walter Matthau are among my father's favorite actors.

[@steveburrus9347]

Well they are noiw performimg for G od's amusement up in Heaven. I'm sure much to his/her's delight.

[@Bigbadwhitecracker]

Two Grumpy Old Men

[@kasperjoonatan6014]

Cactus' flowers are so very beautiful! And since they bloom so rarely it's even more fun. I wonder why they didn't ask anything about the plant's appearance.

[@charlescopenhagen6198]

Having Jack Lemmon as a teacher would be a master class

[@erichanson426]

The cactus segment was really funny.

[@soulierinvestments]

Second game. One of the most distinguished guests in the whole history of WML -- full designation Lieutenant General Sir Oliver William Hargreaves Leese, 3rd Baronet KCB, CBE, DSO . [He was actually knighted by King George VI on the field of battle, which is another story.] KZbin has two clips of him and his cacti business.

[@nancypine9952]

Here's what Wikipedia has to say about him: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Leese

[@sunlion9676]

Oh thank you! Running off to see!! 🎉🎉🎉

[@sunlion9676]

That was a fantastic read!! Thank you!

[@soulierinvestments]

Jack Lemmon was a member of the WML panel the only time WML originated from Television City in Hollywood.

[@davidsoulier6375]

Jerome Hines. Wow. Even his speaking voice sounds as if he is almost on the verge of breaking into a Verdi aria.

[@SuperWinterborn]

David Soulier Yeah...

[@OscarLevant1]

Actually his natural speaking voice was embarrassingly high so he artificially lowered it when speaking to sound more like a bass. That caused him some voice strain and he worked on it with a speech therapist, Morton Cooper.

[@shirleyrombough8173]

And how I wish he would have. He was very talented.

[@allenjones3130]

Jerry Hines on "WML"! Fantastic!

[@shirleyrombough8173]

Some Like it Hot is truly one of the best movies made and the best movie line was the last when Daphne's suitor, when learning that she was really a man, says, "Well, nobody's perfect."

[@shirleyrombough8173]

You are absolutely right, especially about the last line. Even better than "hear's looking at you, kid," though that is a great line too, and the same for rounding up the usual suspects.

[@lilybean835]

Dorothy looks spectacularly lovely this evening! She really looks gorgeous. Her eyes are clear and they sparkle, she looks happy and lucid and alert. She looks perky and happy and very healthy here. Gorgeous. This is one of her best looks ever since I've started watching the show.

[@preppysocks209]

everyone is entitled to an opinion, but I think by this time, Dorothy is starting to age visibly and the wig is a means to divert attention from that. Things are starting to take a toll.

[@kennethlatham3133]

@@preppysocks209 Rowr! Kitty! Claws in, I think!

[@shirleyrombough8173]

Rea pool@@preppysocks209 - Why do people continue to speculate about Dorothy's sobriety? I've watched almost every episode involving Dorothy and find her to be one of the best panelists and astute questioners of this progmmm. program. If she were as messed up as some of you suggest she was she would not be as good a player.

[@preppysocks209]

@@shirleyrombough8173 The two are not incompatible. She did play the game well, of course. There were few occasions when Dorothy appeared to be drunk on camera. There are other occasions when the effects of her substance abuse appear visible. There are high functioning alcoholics. Many viewers, and I am not criticizing you, only responding to your question, appear to be in denial about the visible evidence of Dorothy's substance abuse because they refuse to accept the possibility, borne out by fact, that it was the cause of her death.

[@stevekru6518]

@@preppysocks209 Dorothy doesn’t look old; she looks bad. Dorothy would look bad even if she weren’t seated one very broad shouldered gentleman away from a spectacularly lovely looking Arlene

[@davidsoulier6375]

The production staff were geniuses. The compare contrast humor of a British general growing cacti is pretty amusing to start -- though the confusion he throws them into is even more funny. One of the more memorable contestants ever.

[@shirleyrombough8173]

Sometimes!

[@slaytonp]

I knew him by reputation and correspondence. I was also a succulent and cacti at that time--grew 2000 species myself. It is may be interesting to some that cacti are endemic to the western hemisphere. Those that occur in the East have been introduced--except for one specie of Rhipsalis that was found in an African jungle, possibly evolved separately there from a seed traveling from the west via a bird. then mutating into a species different from any of ours, or perhaps our original died out or changed. My later experiences with British growers of Alpine flora, another hobby of mine, proved to me that the British can grow absolutely anything they put a mind to doing, whether their climate is conducive to it or not.

[@sunlion9676]

@@slaytonp- thank you for adding your comment! I found it very interesting!

[@davidsoulier6375]

Lieutenant-General Sir Oliver William Hargreaves Leese, 3rd Baronet, KCB, CBE, DSO (1894 - 1978) was one of handful of generals that appeared on WML. The man who eventually became the first black general showed up on WML on one of Fred Allen's first appearances. ["Mr. James, is this your first appearance on the show. This is my first appearance on the show. You could save us a lot of bother by telling me what you do."] And the first woman general, General Elizabeth Hoisington, appeared on WML within a few days of her promotion by Richard Nixon.

[@MerleOberon]

Great episode. I'm surprised Jack made no mention of The Apartment, I'd love to have some of those Sunbeam appliances today.

[@donnacook8994]

Dorothy's dress is just beautiful ❤️!

[@normasandow]

Tremendous actor Trip down memory lane

[@perrybarton]

I find it interesting that guests so often start their signature about a third of the way into the width of the chalkboard, and then run out of room on the right. 🤓

[@BillyAlabama]

Jack Lemmon always cracks me up!

[@13ECHO20]

Bennet: "Nothing has never stopped you before." LOL

[@davidsoulier6375]

The year before, Arlene Francis introduced Lemmon to the panel by saying that "Some Like it Hot" was the funniest movie, which was not far from the truth. Eventually Lemmon got an Oscar nomination, which he might have won if he had not been up against Charlton Heston.

[@fredmillsaps5268]

Arlene really is excited by Jack Lemon.

[@eldiputacio7753]

She surely fancied him, I reckon.

[@philippapay4352]

@@eldiputacio7753 I suspect that often Arlene's unabashed fandom is mistaken for a personal interest. She was an accomplished, generous professional who appreciated the fine work of others, to the point where she often mentioned the newest work of the MG when Daly failed to do so. That having been the point of their agent booking them. So when someone like one of the half dozen finest light comic actors (not to detract from his other talents) on the planet visited the program, she was likely to be tickled to meet someone who's work she so admired.

[@leannsherman6723]

Jack Lemmon was GREAT in Some Like it Hot!

[@edwinrivera8449]

Jerome Hines has to be the best looking, handsome, stature, man ever on what's my line? How does one man look like that?

[@murrayaronson3753]

Jerome Hines was a basso and had a distinguished career. Hines was on the roster of the Metropolitan Opera for at least 50 years. I saw Hines only once live and that was at the San Diego Opera in Don Carlo in the role of the Grand Inquisitor - Cesare Siepi was King Philip II. Great performances both.

[@loissimmons6558]

+Edwin Rivera It's very simple, actually. One just has to be born to the right parents.

[@shirleyrombough8173]

I knew he had a wonderful voice but now I know how attractive he was.

[@shirleyrombough8173]

@@murrayaronson3753 I wish I had attended that performance.

[@hcombs0104]

Good genes?

[@ToddSF]

Certain cacti are edible or provide edible fruit. For example, the prickly pear cactus a.k.a. "tuna cactus" provides edible fruit, and the flat, paddle-like leaves are sold and eaten as a vegetable in Mexican cuisine, once the spines are removed. I suspect it's not the only cactus that provides something edible.

[@murrayaronson3753]

Also some cacti are classified as trees, e.g. saguaro, most are considered shrubs.

[@ChrisHansonCanada]

I've eaten a jellied candy made from a cactus. It was excellent.

[@SP-bw8fj]

lmao he gave himself away doing the Daphne voice

[@MearickLee]

Oh the cactus one killed me. xD

[@shirleyrombough8173]

Welcome to the contestant Mr. Sometimes.

[@bob58jf]

I was expecting that a second John Daly was going to appear after the first.

[@jimclark6256]

Sir Oliver thought General Sim was going to be fired and he would be replacing him. But General Alexander fired Sir Oliver instead because of the big difference in their tactics' in fighting in Burma.

[@iammrmat]

Seeing General Leese, the cactus growing Britisher, reminded me of Terry Thomas' character in It's A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World.

[@stevekru6518]

An IRS auditor answers “No” to the question “Do you have anything to do with money?” and some people still trust the government. Presumably he meant handling cash, but how far would a taxpayer get if the taxpayer adopted such a restrictive definition. Answering my rhetoric question, the taxpayer would get to prison.

[@davidsanderson5918]

Jack Lemmon's chuckling just makes me think of Felix Unger.

[@radiocameron]

"Some Like It Hot." Now banned in the states of Florida, Texas, Alabama, Arkansas and Tennessee.

[@mikejschin]

With the first contestant, we see John making an anachronistic reference. He mentions the Internal Revenue Bureau, which was the historical name of the outfit, but it was renamed the Internal Revenue Service in 1953.

[@ModMokkaMatti]

It should be disbanded. No more funding for the warmongering military-industrial complex. They've consistently proven they're not a good ROI for humanity.

[@kellyjohnson3617]

Back then no one was familiar with the delightful cactus pear or nopales which are a wonderful Mexican food

[@ToddSF]

Dorothy K.: "Do you have anything to do with money?" John Daly No. 2: "No." I'm sorry, but if you're an income tax examiner, you have everything to do with money, because you audit or/and examine tax returns, which are all about money. I mean, honestly, what is an income tax return for if not to report how much money a person or business has earned and how much money they owe in taxes? Mr. Daly 2 may not "see" any money or handle anyone's money, but his job is all about money, IMHO.

[@dcasper8514]

ToddSF 94109. AMEN !!

[@sdacj]

I assume he got away with it because he didn't actually handle money, but I agree 100% with your point - what else does the IRS deal with if not money??

[@shirleyrombough8173]

ToddSF 94109 - Yeah, I thought that too. What is the IRS all about if not money?

[@davidsanderson5918]

Yep a major flaw in that segment.

[@stevekru6518]

Doesn’t this bureaucrat’s duplicitous answer help explain why government is neither trusted nor trustworthy? Rhetoric question: what would happen to a taxpayer who answered an IRS auditor’s questions in a similar manner? Read 18 USC 1001

[@allenjones3130]

Not just opera icon Jerome Hines, but also two John Dalys for the price of one! And a retired British Army general who served in World War 2!

[@gilliankew]

"Good Natured Railery" - that's one way to put it ;-)

[@kennethlatham3133]

I was waiting for that tax examiner guy to get the profit/non-profit question. I was thinking, if he said his was a "non-profit" organization", I would LAUGH very LOUDLY, and sure enough, some did! Lol

[@hcombs0104]

That look really worked for Dorothy. It's also a hairstyle not far removed from what you would see farther into the sixties.

[@larrygrebler5054]

By the way the way there is a cacti in Israel called sabra that grows an edible fruit. Native born Israelis are called sabras after this.

[@sanseifromkofu728]

21:48 John tries to clear the way for the last contestant to hurry in. 22:05 He decides to stretch the Lemmon interview instead, with the outburst of applause draining the clock too far.

[@angelasullivan4190]

Jerome Hines was one of the Greatest ever.

[@davidsanderson5918]

Dorothy!! That 'pass' pun at the end. You minx!!

[@aspenrebel]

Jack wrote his name in a different way on the board than he had from 1957 when he was on the show

[@pukulu]

Jerome Hines was a very large man.

[@MrUhwoody]

4 Americans unfamiliar with the ubiquitous prickly pear cactus..

[@robertcollins7025]

Jerome Hines was a rather strapping and handsome man! wow!

[@dafrieze]

Robert collins Back in the late seventies I had the chance to sing in the chorus of a performance of Gounod's "Faust" in which he played the role of Mephistopheles. He was a superb singer and actor, he towered over everyone (including me, and I'm 6'4"), and he was one of the friendliest opera singers I've ever met.

[@CarloQuinto]

dafrieze Nice to hear good things about Jerome Hines

[@shirleyrombough8173]

dafrieze - Seeing Jerome Hines on this panel I thought he would be a nice person. I am glad I was right.

[@juliansinger]

I don't need to detail Sir Leese's various feats, nor his stage presence (of which he has a ton), but I will say, I'm impressed he managed to raise cacti in England. (Shropshire, specifically.) Of course, they were in greenhouses... Video on yon cactuses: www.britishpathe.com/video/general-sir-oliver-leeses-cacti

[@sunlion9676]

That was a great little video! Thank you!

[@juliansinger]

Stand-Up Watch: Arlene mostly does (for Sir Oliver), Dorothy doesn't.

[@robertfiller8634]

Did Dorothy ever stand for anyone?

[@juliansinger]

@@robertfiller8634 I remember a couple of times -- like, a Bishop, for example.

[@keithhyttinen8275]

John Daly meets John Daly. It's like the Twilight Zone!!

[@ambermrtn97]

So I tried to find the 32nd Academy Awards on KZbin, because I wanted to hear Bob Hope's joke about Jack Lemmon, and I was able to find the first 18 minutes. kzbin.info/www/bejne/h6fFdGuqhtuHfJI While I was watching, I was shocked to find that at the 1:20 and 3:48 mark, sitting in the audience appears to be none other than our Arlene Francis! Maybe I'm wrong, you can't see the heart necklace if she was wearing it, but if it's not her it's the best look alike of her I've ever seen.

[@helenellis]

(I know your comment is five years old but) as she's sat next to Laurence Harvey, I think its Margaret Leighton!

[@accomplice55]

Nope, that's not Arlene.

[@bigwilson8794]

What a vacuum cleaner!

[@juliansinger]

I'm a little baffled by Bennett saying the strike was resolved, at about 19:15, because the SAG strike wasn't, at least not until April 18th, and the WGA strike (which dealt with health care, but also with what writers would get from TV showings of movies) wasn't settled til the summer. I suspect he meant the SAG strike and it just took a bit to get signed.

[@ChrisHansonCanada]

U.S. INCOME TAX EXAMINER RAISES CACTUS

[@loissimmons6558]

I recall another John Daly challenger previously, although I think he spelled his last name "Daley".

[@malw1193]

Yes, I remember that, too.

[@kristabrewer9363]

Yes, I seem to remember that too

[@jackkomisar458]

There was a harness race horse driver named "John Dailey" on August 10, 1958.

[@lopa2828]

The first contestant named John Daly was an income tax examiner in this episode.

[@aspenrebel]

One of the problems was that with the celebrity guest, many of the panel knew everybody who was in town in New York City at that time. Cuz they're in the industry.

[@MrWindermere123]

It was bad behaviour for two panel members to pass to the remaining two, who luckily made more effort. Those two (Arlene and Bennet) also stepped in when John Daly was trying to fill in time with Jack Lemmon after he had been identified and perhaps there wasn't time for a final challenger or perhaps there was nobody else waiting to come on. I think they sensed what was happening and took the stress off Mr D without making it obvious.

[@cybertronian2005]

Oliver Leese was wonderful

[@rtflone]

Arlene stood up to shake the General's hand I assume out of respect. The same can't be said of Dorothy..

[@hopicard]

I didn't know that Cactus is such a funny topic :)

[@jvcomedy]

at about the 8:25 mark, did Sir Oliver "snort" while laughing when John said something about demolishing the panel? It also sounded like he "snorted" a couple of times around the 10:04 mark and several other times thereafter..

[@jewell92]

Someone snorts. I'm unsure that it's him, it seemed, to me, to be someone else.

[@petemarshall8094]

Quite likely. A lot of overweight older gentlemen, often dealing with sleep apnea, will do this involuntarily. It’s polite not to notice it.

[@paulharper3235]

I live about 5 minutes from where he is buried in Worfield Shropshire

[@paulharper3235]

Didn’t know about him till about 2 years ago

[@paulharper3235]

Oliver Leese that is

[@lucyflorey9152]

I would always think of cactuses as cacti, but I'm probably wrong....I'm a Latin student from many years ago. I love cactus ice cream or yogurt.

[@shirleyrombough8173]

Lucy Florey - No, you are right. Cacti is correct. Being neither students of Latin nor from the US southwest the panel members probably just didn't know.

[@paperppp]

@@shirleyrombough8173 They're both acceptable.

[@iammrmat]

I'm surprised that Bennett or Arlene didn't go for the obvious, "Daly Double" joke.

[@kazoosc]

I would have been asking questions about taxonomy and characteristics .. is the plant deciduous .. is it from the rain forest .. is it a hardwood/softwood

[@rr7firefly]

This show preceded the June release of the classic movie "The Apartment" by 2 months. A far better movie than "Some Like it Hot" IMO.

[@ModMokkaMatti]

I have absolutely no idea who Jerome Hines was, or why he was selected to be on the panel. However, I do know that Jack Lemmon was a national treasure.

[@BonnieMcCary]

I was two years old

[@DanieltheTruebadour]

Since the product is not singular (i.e., coming in different varieties as opposed to a single - or else the variety should have been specified, like a Joshua Tree), then should Mr. Daly have said he raises CACTI? That sort of minutiae is his bread and butter. Indeed, I attended an experimental school in lower Bajs where a one-day class was in desert lore, and I was shown a cactus that could provide life-saving moisture. Additionally, another time I enjoyed the fruit of the pitaya cactus, which we know as dragon fruit. Watch out, though - the spines are nasty sharp! Oh, and you should know, the Hines family is quite prolific as it comes in 57 varieties! Lastly (I'm not through yet!), when the mystery guest is introduced, the gender could obviously go either way. It could be Mr. E. Or it could be Miss Tree!

[@thesweeples3266]

4:40 a federal income tax examiner doesn’t have anything to do with money?

[@Firebirds4ever]

Fast forward to 2022--IRS agents now carry guns ans train as tactical police units.

[@aspenrebel]

Why would cactus be wrapped or covered if you were walking down the street in public?

[@ЫРІ]

what's that Strike they were taking about around 19th minute?

[@jackkomisar458]

According to Forbes, the Screen Actors Guild's more than 13, 680 members, led by future president Ronald Reagan, went on strike to demand residual payments for films shown on television.

[@bigwilson8794]

I just now realize that all the intros are cue-carded. And I thought they were witty.

[@christinedorman3383]

+ I'm not sure they are cue-carded. I thought at first that they were, but I've seen Dorothy more than once look down at notes on her desk to check out the name of a movie / book / play of the person she is introducing and Arlene, on one occasion, couldn't remember Tony Randall's last name. I'm not saying you are incorrect. I just suspect that the intros were done without cards (although probably formulated and rehearsed backstage).

[@robbob1234]

There was a script for a WML episode available on eBay recently. Not much to actually script, of course: it mostly just framed the segments and the commercials. The panel introductions were clearly designated as [ADLIB].

[@hopicard]

Am I correct that this is the first episode ever with only two contestants?

[@RikardPeterson]

No, there were three contestants. If you meant two regular contestants in addition to the mystery guest, the answer is still no. I've seen a couple such episodes on this channel. (I'm watching them in chronological order.)

[@ToddSF]

hopicard -- A fair number of shows have only two regular contestants in addition to the mystery guest. They don't squeeze in a third contestant if there is too little time after the mystery guest segment. This is certainly not the first time that's happened.

[@crabbyoldman8209]

This wasn't the first guest named John Daly. ...But what was that nonsense about the IRS being fair, etc? What garbage.

[@charleswinokoor6023]

What’s so funny about cactus?

[@kristabrewer9363]

They sure don't respect John, do they?

[@shirleyrombough8173]

Why do you say that? Of course they do. I think they all loved him