What's My Line? - Virna Lisi; PANEL: Larry Blyden, Sheila MacRae (Nov 20, 1966)

MYSTERY GUEST: Virna Lisi
PANEL: Arlene Francis, Larry Blyden, Sheila MacRae, Bennett Cerf
NOTE: Closing credits added from an older rerun pre-GSN-credit-crunching.
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[@zoravamp]

Virna Lisi è stata una delle donne più belle in assoluto del cinema. Grande attrice italiana e bellezza naturale, anche in età avanzata era bellissima.

[@diegogma]

Vero

[@noeljokait]

When I was growing up in the 1960's thru 1970's, Virna Lisi was probably the most beautiful actress I ever laid eyes on and watched in movies. So sad she passed already in 2014.

[@jamesr1703]

Wow! I had never heard of Virna Lisi. She is drop dead gorgeous here!

[@RonGerstein]

She dud a great movie with Jack Lemon and Terry-Thomas.

[@diane4537]

Virna Lisi was called A GIFT FROM ITALY! And indeed she was! So charming and beautiful!

[@diane4537]

I can't believe Virna Lisi is no longer with us! Even her funeral is on youtube. SAD!

[@ultraroadmap]

wow....Virna looking magnificent....damn.

[@mariateresaancona5345]

What a great pleasure to watch the once great actors...there were serious, well mannered, not to mention...great performers, so unlike the once of today with their vulgarity, in most cases. Those were the great old days.

[@butziporsche8646]

Yes, how refreshing! Reminds me of why I miss Johnny Carson so much. I like Jay Leno but the late night talk shows are filled with rabid political partisans that have taken all of the joy out of late night and speak of things you only used to see written on the stalls of Longshoreman restrooms.

[@opale1572]

Muy cierto lo que usted dice. No es cuestión de añorar ciegamente lo pasado, sino algo bien evidente y objetivo.

[@mona2242]

I agrée, not to mention the hypocrisy , vulgarity and violence at the Academy Awards 2 yrs ago. The world has not forgiven Will Smith.

[@darrelltiencken2413]

Virna Lisi.....is a new one on me...she is beautiful!

[@Martin_Whiteside]

Same here, never heard of her, and I thought I knew all of them. This opens up new fields of exploration.

[@zeldasmith6154]

She is beautiful.

[@cialboc]

@@Martin_Whiteside Virna Lisi ha iniziato la sua carriera di attrice a 15 anni (she was born in 1936) e ha continuato fino al 2014 , anno nel quale è morta. Lei era oltre che bellissima anche una bravissima attrice e donna di una intelligenza e umiltà straordinaria. Rip Virna, sempre nei nostri cuori.

[@dawnjohnson3263]

Virna Lisi. Drop down beautiful.. . . And the Vikings swept through Rome . .

[@nunosoares2329]

RIP Virna Lisi. Overdue condolences to the family. Riposa in pace Virna Lisi. Condoglianze in ritardo alla famiglia :-(

[@MrDeterioration]

IMO Virna Lisi was one of the three most attractive actresses in motion picture history. (The other two being Ava Gardner and Grace Kelly.) She was stunning, natural beauty into her 70s.

[@choff56]

+Flike the most beautiful actress ever, and I never even heard of her until I watched "How to murder your wife " 6 months ago . '

[@bobcrestwood740]

+Flike I agree with Virna Lisi and Grace Kelly being in the top 3, but I would take out Ava Gardner and put in Thelma Todd, a comedienne in silent movies and talkies in the 20's and 30's. She was in a few Laurel and Hardy and Marx Brothers movies.

[@jvcomedy]

+Flike For my money Catherine Deneuve would be included on that list.

[@michaeldanello3966]

What's wrong with Sophia Loren, Gina Lolabrigida, Veronica Lake, Monica Vitti, Bridgette Bardot...God there were hundreds of gorgeous women in film

[@aleben6009]

@@bobcrestwood740 for me virna is very beautiful, and i'm italian. Sofia loren is too masculine. At first place i put Marylin Monroe.

[@adrianaanello4917]

Verna LISI la bellezza di una DEA elegante super fantastica 🌟

[@MrWindermere123]

Bennet Cerf speaks warmly about Dorothy Kilgallen, the panel member who died (some people say was killed) the year before. Elsewhere I read that she wasn't trusted by her colleagues on the show because any personal information they gave in backstage talk might appear in her column - she was always looking for a story. After people die, I think we tend to remember the best and forgive the worst traits in their character - I hope so!

[@joelfogelsanger5773]

Very interesting observation.

[@butziporsche8646]

Well, trustworthy or not, you have to admit that watching the panelists on here reminds us of how far IQs have dropped since I was a kid. There is actual genius on these panels.

[@halkahn5035]

Bennett Cerf really slammed Dorothy in his oral history at Columbia University.

[@edmundpower1250]

Hitler ??

[@obrosmic87]

Nei progetti della Paramount Virna Lisi avrebbe dovuto essere la nuova Marilyn Monroe, ed i presupposti per il successo c'erano tutti ma, a differenza della Monroe, Virna aveva una forte personalità ed una famiglia protettiva alle spalle, e quando capi che Hollywood avrebbe voluto fare di lei una bambola sexy senz'anima preferì pagare una penale molto salata e tornare in Italia dove ebbe comunque una grande carriera dimostrando di essere una vera attrice e non solo l'ennesima pin up bionda platinata

[@soulierinvestments]

7:35 -- This is one of two mentions made on Sunday Night WML of Dorothy Kilgallen after her death. It was as if, most of the time, Dorothy had not ever happened on WML. About that Race Round The World: Dorothy had to use scheduled airliners and airships for that race, which was not terribly easy in 1936, even if you had a travel agent. Still, she got to use the Hindenburg for that adventure -- and there were the most luxurious flight cabins available in 1936.

[@philippapay4352]

@soulierinvestments - As I recall this was covered in a bit of detail in Lee Israel's biography of Dorothy and she did some extraordinarily clever things to win that race, even considering the difficulties of this sort of contest back at that time. I should reread it to recall what her shrewd behaviors were, but she was active in her own win even then: always using her brain problem-solving.

[@davidsanderson5918]

soulierinvestments I read about it on Wikipedia after watching my first few episodes. Being an English woman it's likely that the contestant knew nothing about Kilgallen which accounts for her rather disinterested response. Indeed she's barely known, if at all, over here in the UK even today. She should've made history of course.

[@kristabrewer6736]

It's nice that Dorothy got a mention. They tend to forget about those who died on this show

[@lynnsouth5174]

love Virna, so natural

[@samray3297]

Brigitte Bardot has proven to be a wonderful person. Particularly, Gracious. She has always had something correct to say about her colleagues! Her opinion is spot-on regarding Virna Lisi.

[@PaulDA2000]

Brigitte wasn’t on the panel. Where did you see her?

[@samray3297]

@@PaulDA2000 Paul, you did not listen attentively to what John said, quoting BB!

[@PaulDA2000]

Sam Ray Oh thanks! I didn’t watch the whole thing I skipped through it I’ll have to go back and listen to it LOL!

[@carmelaaloi4610]

Questa. Sì. Virna Lisa. È stata. Una grande. Donna. È. Grande Atrice

[@donnacook8994]

Love love watching these! Wonderful manners, good natured banter, and just a joy to see. So many odd occupations, and celebrities who were so fashionable and fun from all over the world! A far cry from today's celebrities! Thank you for showing these! 👏👏👏❤️🥰😀

[@opale1572]

👍👍

[@opale1572]

👍👍

[@stevereed8786]

I think of Virna Lisi every time I see a Wedding Cake.

[@soulierinvestments]

1966 -- the Year of Hair Styles that Required Engineering Specifications.

[@loissimmons6558]

Not to mention that hair spray futures went through the roof at the Chicago Board of Trade commodities exchange.

[@shananalexander9789]

😂 Exactly.

[@UTuberz04]

Lmao

[@VahanNisanian]

Recorded on Halloween Monday October 31, 1966. The cast and crew had the next four weeks off, and were back to live broadcasts on November 27, over a year after Dorothy had passed away, with the Frank Sinatra (one of Dorothy's biggest enemies) and Mia Farrow episode.

[@allenjones3130]

Larry Blyden wound up becoming the third and final host of "WML" before his untimely death in a mid-70s car crash. Rest in peace, Larry.

[@ralphadamo1857]

In a way, Larry Blyden has been a part of me since I was a child when I first saw him in a Twilight Zone episode called "A Nice Place To Visit." It's a simple story, but Larry Blyden and Sebastian Cabot made it a powerful and memorable one. Here's a 5-minute version: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bWjYloeIlr6Hrck

[@DiegoPerez-ce6yq]

A very talented and interesting italian actress

[@scarsdale22]

Un altra delle gloriose stelle del cinema italiano....adoro questa gloriosa donna.... una delle più belle donne della storia del cinema

[@grazianairno5941]

Mamma mia perfettamente d accordo una Donna con la D maiuscola proprio , una dea in poche parole

[@grazianairno5941]

🇮🇹😍

[@joelfogelsanger5773]

Quite a compliment from Bridgette Bardot but certainly well deserved.

[@Rogermarch]

Virna Lisi's most lauded work in film would not come until 30 years after her appearance here.

[@chrischeshire6528]

I noticed the first guest, air plane pilot, wore her hair in the same style as Pussy Galore in Goldfinger.

[@ddicin7759]

I can't believe that Arlene Francis is almost 60 yo here.

[@RonGerstein]

She was born in 1907.

[@lancedukel3436]

Wow she's gorgeous!

[@keetrandling4530]

The amount of knowledge in the cranium of the panelists!

[@VahanNisanian]

Virna Lisi had been active for over six decades, and her final film, "Latin Lover", will be released in Italian cinemas next month.

[@zeldasmith6154]

Love Arlene's dress. Stunning.

[@user-ne8lh2vr2t]

I've read some comment's concerning the death Larry B. The original story that I read years ago was that after his car rolled and he was injured bandits arrived rob him and left him for dead, the doctors thought that if he had gotten to them they had a good chance of saving him.

[@butziporsche8646]

When I was a kid, there were a lot of gorgeous actresses. I think of Hedy Lamar, Gene Tierney, Ann Blyth, Jeanne Craine, Anne Baxter, Sophia Loren, Raquel Welch, Solidad Miranda (I am partial to brunettes obviously), etc. However, Virna Lisi may be the most gorgeous creature that ever lived (with the exception of my wife of course)!

[@mehboobkm2018]

I saw what you have done there

[@majdalenka123]

My queen Virna ♥ Wonderful human being :)

[@grazianairno5941]

Yess a beautifu woman and a beautiful Human too oh....my virna ❤🇮🇹

[@sagarsaxena6318]

Haha that was a great line to end the show and Mr. Daly was flushed. I would've surely been sweating had Virna Lisi been around.

[@stephenmichalski2643]

Damn.......Virna Lisi.......talk about drop dead gorgeous......OMG!!!

[@karenedmiston5964]

It was nice that Bennett mentioned Dorothy Kilgallon. They seemed to have forgotten she was a big part of the show for many years.

[@noras.9774]

And the smartest!

[@halkahn5035]

The show was never the same after Dorothy’s death. She was a terrific listener and asked insightful questions.

[@tlpricescope7772]

Wow , Virna Lisi reminds me of Michelle Pfeiffer. Gorgeous!

[@louisgonzalez8846]

Yes indeed!!!!

[@MrJoeybabe25]

Virna Lisi died last December 18th at the age of 78.

[@magnificentfailure2390]

I have a nerve condition that sometimes causes muscle spasms in my right leg. When Miss Lisi appeared on-screen, my leg started hopping up and down for a good 15 seconds. I think my leg is in love. :)

[@lilybean835]

I have a spinal disorder, and have all sorts of problems, pain, twitches and numbness in my legs, but I hear ya, every once in a while, that leg'll start twitching away when something catches its attention. Cheers!

[@samray3297]

Positive sign, provided it was not your 3rd leg! Haha!

[@BesonXL]

John was so witty tonight. :) Bennett: I can eliminate the snake family completely, is that correct mr Klieger? John: Well, if you could you would be doing a great service to many! 12:29 Larry: Is this animal in the stock family? Stock animal family. John: I don't know the Stock family! 22:54

[@WhatsMyLine]

John was practically giddy in this show!

[@jacquelinebell6201]

He was in a very good and humorous mood.😊😊

[@ginavillani8928]

I Remember Her Well ! She was a Real Beauty Not Fake !

[@tmmartinesq.6216]

Wasn't that a hair piece she was wearing on the back?

[@UTuberz04]

I didn’t expect him to say that about the worms.

[@lllowkee6533]

Love this show. !!!! These hairdos are wild, I’d hate to have that mess on my head. What a era!

[@VahanNisanian]

Also from tv.com: "During the post game conversation with the worm breeder, guest panelist Sheila MacRae innocently asked how he managed to raise so many worms. He innocently replied that the worms were bisexual and that brought down the house and caused John to turn more than a few shades of red. Of course, this was just a couple of months after Tony Randall's infamous "non-profit hooker" comment, which elicited the same type of response. Since this episode was first broadcast in 1966, this was long before any type of references to homosexuality or bisexuality were common on television."

[@MrJoeybabe25]

And yet everyone had a gay time!

[@WhatsMyLine]

Joe Postove And they weren't even with the Flintstones.

[@loissimmons6558]

"Bisexual" didn't even make George Carlin's list!

[@akua1956]

The last contestant looks like a young Goldie Hawn.

[@anonymusum]

Oh no, not at all. Virna Lisi was a real lady and beauty, without any school girl charme.

[@pattimaeda6097]

anonymusum Abeo was referring to the last guest not the mystery guest🙄

[@edmundpower1250]

You're dead right. I thought it was her

[@Car1Sagan]

I never heard of this lady. She's gorgeous

[@soulierinvestments]

Gil Fates wrote in his WML book that when Larry Blyden hosted syndicated WML, his catch phrase when meeting a woman along the lines of Virna Lisa was "I would love to jump her bones." So, Bennett's last question probably should have gone to Larry.

[@the_lost_navigator]

Sheila Scott (Hopkins) - there's extraordinary history for you, boys and girls... Respect

[@SheilaB]

OH Wow! Arlene in a Dorothyesque Empire Line dress, how lovely!

[@kenretherford1197]

Arlene looks so much better without Gabel hanging around.

[@loissimmons6558]

+Sheila B Complete with the long vertical stripes. I personally would not recommend this style for Arlene. She is relatively small-busted and an Empire waist pretty much obliterates her curves and bust line, especially when adding that large bow to the waist.

[@dancelli714]

I'm not much for ribbons. I would have liked the dress without it. She still looked good in it.

[@kristabrewer6736]

@@kenretherford1197 I'm sure you're in the minority on that!

[@rezap5331]

Jeez. What a beauty

[@MrJoeybabe25]

When Bennett first met Miss Lisi "she could speak scarcely no English". BENNETT!

[@BesonXL]

What did she whisper to John? 16:48 :)

[@MrJoeybabe25]

Johan Bengtsson "Please protect me from Bennett".

[@savethetpc6406]

Johan Bengtsson The world may never know...

[@dancelli714]

@@MrJoeybabe25 Hahahahaha . . . good one.

[@tracymcmillan1466]

Sheila Scott, the guest with the secret occupation went on to set many flying records.

[@maynardsmoreland]

From 21:25-21:30 you can see someone milling about behind the set between the last contestant and John Daly (through the crack in the background)

[@savethetpc6406]

maynardsmoreland Good catch! I hadn't noticed and had to look very closely to spot what you meant even when looking for it.

[@bbt5358]

I caught it! Hahahahaha

[@Steve27775]

Never heard of Virna Lisi until now. What have I been doing with my life??

[@VahanNisanian]

Steve27775 I didn't hear about her until recently, either. But I can definitely tell by looking at all the vintage photos of her, that she was a beautiful woman. She was still very much beautiful near the end of her life.

[@savethetpc6406]

I hadn't heard of her either.

[@jtlynn23]

Go out immediately and get a copy of "How To Murder Your Wife" starring Jack Lemmon, Terry-Thomas, and Virna Lisi. You won't regret it. She was also the iconic cover girl on the March 1965 issue of Esquire. Google it. :) Sadly, Ms Lisi just recently passed away in December 2014.

[@chiarabroglia6028]

She was italiannnm ❤❤❤

[@grazianairno5941]

@@chiarabroglia6028 An italian goddess

[@johnperry4572]

Larry Blyden was the second host of the syndicated What's My Line from 1972 until his death in a car accident abroad in 1975....the nationally syndicated version originated from NBC Rockefeller Center and Blyden's version gave New York celebrities national exposure...TV weatherman Frank Field,film critics Pat Collins,Leonard Harris and Rex Reed and anchorwoman Melba Rollover made regular appearances

[@dancelli714]

Wally Bruner was the second.

[@VahanNisanian]

Virna Lisi had a mole on the bottom-right corner of her lips, just like Anne Francis (of "Honey West" fame) did. Virna had it removed at around 1983 or 1984.

[@VahanNisanian]

From tv.com: "Bennett mentioned that "our very much missed Dorothy Kilgallen was the first girl who ever went around the world by herself using aircraft, many years ago." Bennett did not clarify that Dorothy was not the pilot, which prompted Sheila Scott to add that in 1964, Jerrie Mock became the first woman to fly solo around the world as a pilot. Bennett and John then clarified that Dorothy was not the pilot, but a reporter. In September 1936, Dorothy participated in an around-the-world airplane race against fellow newsmen "Bud" Ekins (Herbert Roslyn Ekins, born 1901, aka H.R. Elkins) of the NY World-Telegram and Leo Kieran of the New York Times. Dorothy was the only female contestant in this aviation race around the world on commercial flights. The race also inspired Dorothy's autobiography, "Girl Around The World," which would later be turned into a 1937 mystery movie titled "Fly Away Baby" featuring the character "Torchy Blane." The film's loosely-based screenplay was written by Don Ryan and Kenneth Gamet, and the UK title of this movie was "Crime in the Clouds." The actual trip took Kilgallen 24 days and she came in second to Bud Ekins of the New York World-Telegram, who completed the trip in 21 days."

[@savethetpc6406]

It was nice that Bennett brought up Dorothy that way. I think the unique factor in the "race around the world" in which Dorothy participated was that all the participants had to use regularly scheduled transportation. They couldn't just charter a plane strictly for their own use.

[@WhatsMyLine]

SaveThe TPC Good point, yes-- except they all ended up sort of cheating on that.

[@savethetpc6406]

What's My Line? Yeah, kind of...

[@michaeldanello3966]

Vahan Nisanian: Excellent summary, and spot-on accurate. Thanks for your observations

[@preppysocks209]

In the 1880s, long before planes, Jules Verne could write about a trip around the world in 80 days. 50 years later, with the advent of airplanes and cross-oceanic plane travel, using regularly scheduled flights (and otherwise), it still took three weeks. The world was much bigger then. The upside to this was the benefit to the mainland US during World War II of not being easily reachable by plane from Europe or Asia.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

At about 7:45 Bennett mentions Dorothy. Is this the first mention of her since the show after her death? It seems like it.

[@VahanNisanian]

Joe Postove On the July 24, 1966 show, Bennett said something about Dorothy and elevators.

[@fdenlex]

***** He was talking about Dorothy Lamour...

[@MrJoeybabe25]

fdenlex Ha! Dorothy Lamour Kilgallen!

[@DanielField2023]

Dorothy Kilgallen the Journalist not the Actress

[@dancelli714]

@@MrJoeybabe25 Hahahahaha . . You got me laughing a second time.

[@robbob1234]

Never expected an episode to feature bisexuality, discussion of Dorothy, and a biology lesson from JCD!

[@Paul71H]

When the worm farmer said that the worms are bisexual, I'm pretty sure he meant that they come in two sexes (male and female). I don't think he meant the same thing that we mean today when we use that term.

[@mehboobkm2018]

@@Paul71H no

[@Paul71H]

@@mehboobkm2018 I looked it up, and you're right that I was wrong, but I wasn't completely wrong. Earthworms aren't divided into males and females. Rather, every earthworm is both male and female. That is apparently what the farmer meant by "bisexual." However, this still isn't what most people mean today when they refer to a person as "bisexual."

[@mehboobkm2018]

@@Paul71H Yes, thats what the farmer meant.

[@domenicozagari2443]

In the 20 an Italian Pilot flew around the world.

[@renatoreside]

Nice reference to the late Dorothy...also a very witty end to the show...

[@carolstearns3683]

Such grace and well dressed people.

[@taraxacum]

Hey, John seems to finally getting somewhat of a grip on biology. He even gave the name of the correct classification of worms. Bennett seems pretty pissed off about this.

[@preppysocks209]

Because Bennett could never conceive that he was wrong, only that he was right and was cheated. He never considers he could be wrong, and always wants to argue, even he is completely wrong. An enormous ego.

[@jackkomisar458]

He got the right phylum, but the wrong spelling. There are two "n"'s in annelid.

[@davidsanderson5918]

Little Blue John seems to have a particular interest in that domain. It's not the first time on WML thst he's demonstrated it.

[@bobhayett2376]

The last contestant looked like Goldie Hawn!!!

[@brucemarsico6]

SHE WAS SOMETHING.....VIRNA LISI......BRAVA, BRAVA, BIS, BIS!

[@golden-63]

*Virna Lisi is gorgeous!*

[@peteradaniel]

A lot of contestants seem to come from the UK. They must have had a lot of cross over professionals from the UK series.

[@RonGerstein]

There is a "While's My Line" show in England.

[@lennypearl]

Was this the first and maybe only episode after the tribute where they mentioned Dorothy?

[@RonGerstein-tf5tp]

Dorothy died November 1965, 4 months earlier.

[@jeannehall6546]

Larry Blyden would go on to become the third host of What's My Line in 1972. Here he is as a panelist while playing the Devil in "The Apple Tree" on Broadway in 1966 (Mr. Blyden died under mysterious circumstances in 1975 in Morocco.).

[@WhatsMyLine]

My understanding was that Blyden simply died in a car accident. What's the mystery about the circumstances?

[@ToddSF]

As I recall, Larry Blyden was driving a rental car while on vacation in Morocco, which rental car ran off the road and overturned. He died as a result of his injuries. If you want to believe that the circumstances of his death were somehow "mysterious", I don't suppose I could dissuade you, but, honestly, does every celebrity death have to be mysterious or a conspiracy?

[@jeannehall6546]

There was no money, no passport, and no driver's licence found when his body was found. What would he be doing driving alone in another country without any of those things, especially since he was there, as he claimed, to do some antiques shopping (Blyden was an avid antiques collector) This has lead to the belief that he was carjacked and killed by robbers.

[@WhatsMyLine]

Jeanne Hall Oh, I see-- not some big mysterious conspiracy, just possibly a robbery. I don't remember those details. Thanks.

[@ToddSF]

Well, some people may believe that, I suppose. Apparently, Barbara Rush said so in her commentary track on the DVD of "What Makes Sammy Run?" But the generally accepted explanation is that he was driving his rental car to Tan-Tan to shop for native jewelry and had the accident. He died in the hospital about a week after the car crash and I do remember that the news reports at the time said it was an accident. Then again, I'm not someone who readily buys into conspiracy theories or mysterious alternative explanations for such things. I think he may simply have forgotten to bring his wallet and passport with him when he drove the car that day. I remember being in Sweden and driving from Stockholm in my rental car, almost all the way to the Norwegian border, when it dawned on me that, while I had my wallet, I'd left my passport in my hotel room. I haven't read anything about Blyden's not having had any money on him, but I am certain he didn't have his ID because the hospital didn't know who he was for that reason.

[@kevinvanmeter2264]

Larry Blyden...soon to be host of WML.

[@jackkomisar458]

At 19:14, Bennett Cerf asked the mystery guest, "Did you make your debut in a picture directed by George Axelrod", and he got a "yes" and guessed the identity of Virna Lisi. That is not the kind of question that you would hear from a typical man-about-town who watches a lot of movies. It is a question that reflected the fact that Cerf read "Variety" and "Motion Picture Daily" and the entertainment section of the newspaper.

[@nibsvkh]

Along with reading Variety the show’s mystery guest quite often was a star of the latest movie or above the fold in celebrity news.

[@lilybean835]

That's one of the few times I've seen people "behind the scenes" peeking through the cracks in that center piece they use for the signature.

[@loissimmons6558]

+Lily Bean A time reference would help so we can share in your discovery.

[@Martin_Whiteside]

@@loissimmons6558 Very subtly worded, my compliments !

[@soulierinvestments]

Shiela appeared a number of times as a WML mystery guest with her singer-actor husband and nightclub act partner Gordon MacRae. She was very blond on WML, but on "The Honeymooners" Gleason insisted that she go red of hair. Hard to document that on KZbin: the Gleason Trust keeps his copywrite on a tight leash.

[@WhatsMyLine]

They're notoriously aggressive about copyright enforcement on YT, yes. But the real reason they should keep a lid on the Color Honeymooners episodes is so we can pretend they never happened. . .

[@SuperWinterborn]

What's My Line? soulierinvestments I have heard of, but never watched any show with Sheila and Gordon MacRae. After watching Sheila as a panelist here, she didn't seem very likable to me. But, of course, one can't judge a person only by one performance.

[@WhatsMyLine]

SuperWinterborn I haven't encountered many Honeymooners fans who dislike Shelia's version of Alice nearly as much as I do, but for me, she's enough to sink the whole program. Sadly, she was far from being the only thing deeply wrong with those shows-- but she was sufficient!

[@SuperWinterborn]

What's My Line? I don't remember the word for it in English, but in this episode she seemed to represent something opposed to humbleness.

[@WhatsMyLine]

SuperWinterborn Arrogance? Pridefulness? She was certainly comes off more than a bit on the brash side to me.

[@philippapay4352]

This is totally superficial, but I don't know of anyone else having commented upon it. There are about a half dozen to a dozen times over the years when the diamond heart necklace Arlene wears looks considerably larger to me than it does most of the time. I do not think it is the positioning of it on her neck. It must be an optical illusion of some sort, but I always notice it immediately: ah ha, this is one of those nights when it looks way bigger than usual. I had wondered if Martin had bought her a double heart with one outside the other, so there would be two hearts and she wore the larger one less often. But, never did I see her wear the double heart, had that been the case, nor have I ever read of it when the piece is mentioned. Just odd because to me it is noticeable immediately.

[@user-ne8lh2vr2t]

I first noticed the size difference when I saw it on MATCH GAME 1978 it's as if she had second one made which would make perfect sense since everyone would want to see her wearing it as years went on and the more sentimental piece could be kept for special occasions in a safe somewhere??? ??

[@philippapay4352]

@@user-ne8lh2vr2t She had it yanked off her neck getting out of a taxicab in NYC on her way into her home in Manhattan in 1988, 4 years after Martin's death and it really upset her. So if there were 2, the real one was stolen. I am just glad that someone else had noticed this, who watches these here.

[@user-ne8lh2vr2t]

@@philippapay4352 I certainly hope so, I read her book but that was 1978, and I haven't ever heard of a backstory to the theft, maybe the New York Times archive?

[@philippapay4352]

@@user-ne8lh2vr2t There would be perhaps a police report, but the guy who grabbed it off her neck got away, so I doubt there's a backstory to read.

[@soulierinvestments]

The shape of things to come on syndicated WML 1972-75: Arlene and Larry Blyden together. He plays very well; it is no mystery why he captured G-T's attention. Blyden's new play was based in part on "the Diary of Adam and Eve" by Mark Twain and by something that Jules Fieffer wrote.

[@jmccracken1963]

The other two parts of THE APPLE TREE were based on Frank R. Stockton's "The Lady or The Tiger?" and on Jules Pfeiffer's "Passionella."

[@michaelnak2681]

"They're bisexual, they take care of things well enough.". Daly:"That's enough of that.". How the world has changed.

[@lynettepalecek3141]

Political correctness has definitely changed for the worse.

[@davidsanderson5918]

A running joke for about fifteen years is that Daly is meant to have been regularly misunderstood by the panel. Ironically I don't think Daly has said anything misunderstandable since the series started!!

[@edmundpower1250]

He was too articulate for the birdbrains on the panel

[@tomitstube]

never even heard of verna lisi, till now. pretty name tho, rolls right off the tongue.

[@jamesr1703]

To think, Larry would be dead in less than 10 years, after this episode at the age of only 50 years.

[@RonGerstein]

Wow, you can add.

[@edmundpower1250]

​​@@RonGersteinNow now ! No need for sarcasm. It's a sign you're having a bad night. Go flog the log if the wife is shunning you 😂

[@RonGerstein]

@@edmundpower1250 it takes you a MONTH for a lame reply.

[@edmundpower1250]

@@RonGerstein I've only just read it you knob😆 don't you know how you tube works. We don't all watch things at the same time. It's not live 😆😆

[@mikejones-qk2ou]

Virna , Brigitte and Ursula my dream women!

[@jrbleau]

When she came out of that cake.... !!!!!

[@iggyg1370]

Wouldn't you like that recipe.

[@louisgonzalez8846]

Drop dead gorgeous.!!!!

[@miketheyunggod2534]

Sheila MacRea is the mother of Meredith MacRae.

[@RonGerstein]

AND the wife of Gordon MacRae.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

14:45! The first mention of bi-sexuals on WML. The show would never be the same after the liberation of bi-sexual worms!

[@grazianairno5941]

Bi-sexual worms?what do you Mean?

[@miketheyunggod2534]

@@grazianairno5941 they reproduce by themselves.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

Arlene seems to have picked up the slack that may have existed after Dorothy's death. She seems to not only get the line by crafty questioning, but she seems to bump into quite a few of them as well.

[@lilybean835]

I was wondering where Dorothy went. I thought she didn't die yet until around 1966 sometime but I don't know when..I have to look into that.

[@davidsanderson5918]

Lily Bean Oh my word!! You must, indeed, look into it. Her final episide and the tribute episode that follows it are crucial viewing. As also is Mark Shaw's lecture and interview regarding her passing.

[@kristabrewer6736]

Arlene has always been a good panelist

[@kentetalman9008]

@@lilybean835 Dorothy died on November 8, 1965.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

I pronounce "Dinner At Eight" the new "Fluffy"!

[@loissimmons6558]

+Joe Postove You lionized "Dinner at Eight"?

[@prokesuk]

The worm guy's voice reminds me of Tom Bodett.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

I think I figured out why left handed people have such a difficult time writing. When a righty writes, he or she has a natural rest bar in the bone of the wrist. This seems not to be as useful for lefties.

[@BesonXL]

Get ready for the next Nobel Prize in Medicine, Joe! :)

[@MrJoeybabe25]

Johan Bengtsson Have stethoscope will travel!

[@WhatsMyLine]

Yes, it's that, but in combination with the fact we write from right to left rather than left to right. If it were the other way around, lefties would be able to write more comfortably than righties. Presumably the reason we do write from left to right is that 90% of people are right handed.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

What's My Line? But didn't people write before we developed arms?

[@BesonXL]

Joe Postove Oh Joe!! :))

[@VahanNisanian]

Gary, it is not Phyllis Newman and Bob Crane; it is Larry Blyden and Sheila MacRae. And Sheila MacRae would become a mainstay on the new WML,, as well as Blyden, who replaced Wally Bruner in 1972.

[@savethetpc6406]

***** It looks like he fixed it. Thanks, Gary! ☺

[@WhatsMyLine]

SaveThe TPC Yes, I replied on Facebook, but for those who aren't on Facebook, "Thank you, Vahan. It's corrected."

[@SuperWinterborn]

***** Wouldn't it be much easier and better to pass this kind of message as a PM directly to Gary, Vahan? ;)

[@savethetpc6406]

SuperWinterborn I don't think so. I think it makes sense to note the discrepancy in the video comments. If Vahan hadn't noted it first, I was planning to. You weren't offended, were you, Gary? Oh, wait -- I just noticed your wink emoticon. Were you joking, SW?

[@WhatsMyLine]

SaveThe TPC I was most certainly not offended. I always appreciate corrections such as Vahan's original comment, and all you did was note I made the correction and say thank you. No sane person could take offense at any of that. But thanks for the concern. :)

[@davidphillips3058]

there's to many beautiful actresses to select just three.

[@Nic-tg2ei]

I agree with Bridget Bardot. 100%

[@BesonXL]

I find it interesting in some way that the nearer we get in time for every episode the lesser known are the Guest panelists and Mystery guests to me. Larry Blyden, Sheila MacRae, Virna Lisi, Orson Bean, Sue Oakland (never heard of them before)... maybe because they were stars in TV and not in films.

[@VahanNisanian]

Johan Bengtsson For me, it is mostly the opposite. I recognize the likes of Warren Beatty, Woody Allen, Dick Cavett, Michael Caine, Mia Farrow, Jane Fonda, Steve McQueen, The Smothers Brothers, Ursula Andress, Raquel Welch, and Barbara Feldon, far more than I would with the likes of Arthur Godfrey, Victor Borge, Charles Coburn, William Bendix, and Artie Shaw. I guess it could be just because I'm more familiar with Modern Hollywood.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

Sheila MacRae was a pretty big star then. She also starred on Jackie Gleason's show.

[@BesonXL]

Joe Postove I must say she was very attractive in those glasses she wore.

[@WhatsMyLine]

Joe Postove I choose to believe that the Color Honeymooners episodes do not exist. I can't stand MacRae's interpretation of Alice. Completely, totally wrong, and it wasn't accidental: she was on record as saying that she couldn't bear to play Alice the way Audrey Meadows did, "tearing down her man that way". Which was the entire point of the character. She was an actress playing a part, and the part called for her to be steely, strong and nasty in the face of Ralph's aggression. It shouldn't have mattered whether she agreed personally with the way the *character* dealt with her fictional husband. And I find her attempt at a Brooklyn accent excruciating.

[@savethetpc6406]

What's My Line? I don't think I've ever seen any of the episodes with Sheila MacRae. I would be interested in seeing them, though, especially after reading your comments. I completely understand the point you are making, but I'm wondering if I might personally like the Alice character better if she were gentled a bit.

[@ultraparadoxical7610]

No whistles and catcalls when the first contest entered. I wonder whether the producers decided that that was no longer a good look for the show!

[@dinahbrown902]

I don’t think so. Geez

[@MrJoeybabe25]

The last contestant who cools off race horses after they, run doesn't cool off much more than that! YOWSAH!

[@savethetpc6406]

I thought she looked a bit like Goldie Hawn in certain shots. It's largely due to the hairstyle, I guess, since on close-up I didn't think she looked like her at all, but from a little distance away, she seemed to resemble Goldie Hawn in other ways as well.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

SaveThe TPC AMAZING! I thought Goldie Hawn too the minute she walked out. But you have first rights to the Goldie Hawn usage, TPC, so go make that money!

[@savethetpc6406]

Joe Postove Hmm... how much money do I get? Is there a certain amount per comment, which gets multiplied if it is a unique thought or at least the first time said thought is expressed? ;) Imagine how much we'd all be earning if that really were the case! :D

[@MrJoeybabe25]

SaveThe TPC Six silver dollars to the lady in the balcony!

[@WhatsMyLine]

Joe Postove Count me, and a friend who was watching the episode with me, as also having *immediately* thought of Goldie Hawn when the contestant was first shown.

[@DritaB.]

🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟💖💖💖💖💖💖

[@bettybaumann5824]

I've noticed almost all the women were slim. Those that were a little heavy were not sloppy. All well groomed. I guess those days are gone.

[@lynettepalecek3141]

No, they're not gone. Go to a real Christian church and you'll find that.

[@omargonzalez2641]

Worms are bi-sexual. Did not know that. Learn something new every day.

[@darrelltiencken2413]

Is it just me or does it seem that the episodes from 1950 and 1966 look the same.

[@RonGerstein]

It is vastly different from 1950: Different panel members No walking to the panel No free guess All conestants great the panel at the end of their stint instead of going directly off stage. Change in the MG format to only one question per panelist instead of continuing asking questions until a "no" answer.