LoL, can you imagine asml doing youtube sponsorships? "Next time you're setting up a fab, consider asml" as though they were a meal delivery or vpn service. Hahaha.
@VaebnKenh6 ай бұрын
I've gotten Jane Street ads before... Not to buy their product, but to try to recruit me. As mentioned in the video, finding and retaining good engineers is tough, and definitely worth some marketing budget.
@CatFish1076 ай бұрын
@@VaebnKenh oh, that makes some sense, thanks!
@mriz6 ай бұрын
I just ordered $100 m ultraviolet lithography laser from asml bc of this guy. they'd shipping it next month to my fab 😌
@giantnanomachine6 ай бұрын
Free shipping if you use code Asianometry at checkout!
@RicardoMusch6 ай бұрын
Wonder if they do prime next day delivery.
@NickCohn6 ай бұрын
I'm glad you could visit us. Thanks for all your work explaining the industry! 💙🙂
@biscuitmeetsgravy6 ай бұрын
Misread that as “what’s next for asmr” and I was prepared for some hard hitting analysis of an entirely different kind of
@pettypractice78726 ай бұрын
*whispers* “but first about the Asianometry newsletterrrrr”
@tommymaddox67856 ай бұрын
Wouldn't it be soft hitting analysis? 😂
@nickpalance36226 ай бұрын
Ditto. After all, don’t we all listen to this channel for the smooth sounds?
@AC-jk8wq6 ай бұрын
You guys made me look that up…. 😃
@Mr.SharkTooth-zc8rm6 ай бұрын
(In a whisper) Get your mind out of the gutter... 🙃
@JohnHLundin6 ай бұрын
Thanks Jon... Being a "systems" type (been using computers since my original 8088), my mind is blown by the complexity and organization that make something that will alter the course of history. Thanks for sharing your visit to ASML with us! PS 'hardware leads software'
@AdityaMehendale6 ай бұрын
I wonder how many companies have murdered their potential when trying to "unlock shareholder value" :/
@Gameboygenius6 ай бұрын
A story as old as time, or at least as old as the stock market.
@RationalistRebel6 ай бұрын
Yep, greedy shareholders derail the company's long term stability entirely for short term windfalls, only to jump as it goes off the cliff to another company and start the process all over again. Modern "venture capital" firms are basically gangs of greedy shareholders who have industrialized such destruction.
@RetroJack6 ай бұрын
@@RationalistRebel Well put!
@klauszinser6 ай бұрын
'unlocking' must not be bad. It can enable the growth of the new company. E.g. Toyota and Daimler owned a part of Tesla. But, keeping a part (maybe max 25%) of the spin off, could make sense.
@AC-jk8wq6 ай бұрын
Unlocking value…. Was the code words for merger, followed by lay-offs… who needs the acquired company’s finance department or sales organizations? They are the first to go… If you now have two research organizations… combining them, and selling off the excess property is bean counter heaven! Down size… right size… Employees with this experience learn how to optimize taking the package… severance pay, re-education expenses, health insurance… The 80s was a wild time…. 😃
@McKon.6 ай бұрын
Fun how you call the High-NA machine "the beast". I remember being in the auditorium when Martin and Peter had their retiring event at the company and Martin would refer to the machine as "the monster". He talked about that every time he'd coordinate the release of a new machine type (Like was done with twinscan and EUV) there would always be some months or even years of issues where the new machine wouldn't function well in some way or another. But in the end it comes to show that if you allow such a thing to happen, and develop through it, you will create a marvel of craft engineering. Glad to see you enjoyed the tour, unfortunately I wasn't aware you were visiting or I'd gladly have tried to take you in some more places.
@nhibbs36 ай бұрын
Philips is such a terribly run and managed company. They have squandered so much that they had in tech and medical.
@letsburn006 ай бұрын
If you're going to listen to investment managers on how to run a company, you deserve to fail.
@nobodynever78846 ай бұрын
like GE
@vinniepeterss6 ай бұрын
yep, what a wasted opportunity😢
@viktoreisfeld94706 ай бұрын
I think a thing to understand here is that unless it was spun out, you would not have had the right leadership or hiring opportunities to create ASML. If you didn't have a CEO that gave 100% priority to lithography would it had happened? If you could not have hired all new engineers with 100% focus on lithography could it have happened? What about personal rivalries and female middle/project managers promoted to the level of incompetence? Companies like Philips are like giant oiltanker ships or aircraft carriers... they take days just to make a small turn. You needed a cigarette boat to create ASML because nothing like it had been done before. So, this really did "unlock shareholder value". It let Philips focus on things they do well while also creating a new company to do something new that it could do well (which many Philips investors likely invested in right after the spin out - especially sophisticated investors running tech/growth investment funds). The politics in companies as large as Philips can kill any idea or emerging tech no matter how good. I'm glad ASML spun out and got away from the politics.
@hashbrown7776 ай бұрын
@@viktoreisfeld9470 almost as if their original point of being "terribly ran" is exactly what your "politics and slow moving" means.. not to mention that their squanderings aren't just the spinning out, which is fine, but the selling off of their stocks in the spinoffs, which was stupid
@apexaviour6 ай бұрын
Thanks
@daanwillemsen2236 ай бұрын
I'm glad you loved your stay! I live and work in Eindhoven region (I work at the train station). You can realy see the influence of ASML and it's growth on this city. ASML expects if they want to continue their growth the region needs to get 80.000 extra inhabitants in less than 15 years, wich is an insane growth rate for this region. The Eindhoven city council is planning to build 17 more appartment skyscrapers (7 are 100m+) and they will also build a Bus Rapid Transit line to the ASML campus in Veldhoven.
@Asianometry5 ай бұрын
I loved Eindhoven. I was sitting in the local Starbucks and writing throughout my time there and just people-watching.
@klauszinser5 ай бұрын
Dekujeme. Danke! Thanks. It's very appreciated for being there. ASML, not a hidden champion anymore.
@milutinke6 ай бұрын
Super cool that you have gotten an opportunity to visit it, love your videos.
@rydplrs716 ай бұрын
When I worked with them I was invited to Germany, the Netherlands, Wilton and San Diego, but my managers would not approve the travel so I never got to see the inside. I’m very jealous. I also completely agree with the company culture. They absolutely trust you to be the expert in what you do, and find a way to get it done. If you fail to deliver what you promise they will find someone else who doesn’t. If you exceed expectations you are rewarded with as much additional work and responsibility as you are willing to take on. I thank you for reminding me of this, I will be using it in discussions I will be having in a week or two.
@asmo13136 ай бұрын
That sounds familiar. The company I work for started to make a part for them. There was a certification process which I don`t know much about because I just operate a laserwelding robot and I m not a manager. The way they work is: we make the part and make sure it is according to their specs. We are 100% respsonsible for that. when we ship the part they store it in a warehouse and retrieve it when needed. They do not quality check themselves. all our responsiblity. If we ever mess up, its over for us.
@sparqqling6 ай бұрын
@@asmo1313 and they pay a good premium for that
@rydplrs716 ай бұрын
@@asmo1313 I was one of the people engineering on the front line. For 2 years we were the limiting factor on production. I got us from 5 day turns to same day and doubled the volume we handled. Without people like you doing the real work it wouldn’t be possible. I only had to apologize twice, once was bad I made no excuses and made effort for no repeating the same mistakes. They were surprisingly good about it. We were in the middle of the process and I’ve seen them come down on lower level suppliers who weren’t performing to their word. I’m glad I wasn’t receiving that, and a few times they asked me to leave the conversation while they dealt with it. One lost their contract and was replaced.
@peterjansen48266 ай бұрын
I am Dutch, I can confirm that the culture here is quite "blunt" as he says it. The Flemish people use the term direct for it which means something like people speaking their mind and using less tact. I have been in touch with a few people who work(ed) for ASML, I know that they liked it that they were lower profile, I know that they are aware that they will loose their lead if they would take it easy, some company would catch up eventually.
@coraltown16 ай бұрын
It seems to work rather well .. results orientation.
@paulbeaucuse20926 ай бұрын
Depends where you are, I remember Maastricht as mostly very "diplomatic", I remember Utrecht was for example very direct and blunt.
@peterjansen48266 ай бұрын
@@paulbeaucuse2092 The southeast of the Netherlands, including Limburg (Maastricht is in that province) did not belong to the Netherlands unti 1815, it was a part of Belgium and even of France for a short time (around 2 decades) around the year 1800. Only in the 19th century Limburg joined the Netherlands. So it is not surprising that the culture is a bit different there. But also that part of the Netherlands is close to Germany and you can clearly notice that. The region is more dominant than the country for culture and language. I myself have German family, the Dutch people and German people near the border can understand each other perfectly well if they both speak the dialect of where they live. Anyway, it should also be pointed out that ASML has many foreign (non-Dutch) employees from all over Europe and also many from outside Europe. To make these EUV-lithography machines many expertises had to be combined and if you just look at the big components than 3 worldleading European companies (not just from the Netherlands) were required to make these machines. The same applies to copmanies like Intel, on that level it really is an international cooperation. For example, Intel also bought a spinoff from the university in Eindhoven, this spinoff was specialized in multithreading. Back then the computer science department of the electrical engineering faculty of the university in Eindhoven belonged to the top-3 in Europe.
@gus4736 ай бұрын
Impressive tour and overview, Jon! Thanks! 😎✌️
@gs39316 ай бұрын
You're absolutely correct at 0:22, it hits different, seeing it for the first time in real life. In a way, it's humbling. Like you're looking at the technological equivalent of a historic landmark. Studying your vids made me calm down and appear well versed during my job interviews there. It's because of you that I got to see it in person myself. Thnx for that.
@fissavids87676 ай бұрын
I work at asml, would have loved to meet you there!
@aniksamiurrahman63656 ай бұрын
I worked in Vaccine manufacturing and is habituated with cleanroom. Surprisingly, the ASML cleanrooms loosk surprisingly 'familiar' to me.
@ironman82576 ай бұрын
Photo lithography clean rooms are cleaner then biofactory. About 2 levels cleaner. You must know if you had GMP training done
@ReddoFreddo6 ай бұрын
@@ironman8257My sterile environment is more sterile than your sterile environment 🤓
@ironman82576 ай бұрын
@@ReddoFreddo Yes? Grade C for biofarm is high, but grade C for semiconductor manufacturing is low.
@tycondero16474 ай бұрын
It is very similar. Coming from a researcher who visited a clean room once in Leiden.
@arendmookhoek43146 ай бұрын
After watching you for awhile it's so much fun too see you visited the place I live!
@pandarzzz5 ай бұрын
Thank you so very much for this video ❤ Learned great deal about EUV & ASML!! 🎉
@miniman31126 ай бұрын
That's so nice you got to visit ASML and with such a great tour! Recently had the luxury of briefly visiting ASML, imec and NXP as kind of a student trip and while my limited knowledge was a hurdle to ask meaningful questions it was absolutely fascinating to grasp that there is (still) so much high-end technology development cooking in the middle of Europe.
@jeroenstrompf5064Ай бұрын
I'm a Dutch electrical engineer. I graduated in 1999 from Delft University. Quite a number of my fellow students went working for ASML at that time. I guess that hasn't changed much. There are only three technical universities in the Netherlands: Delft, Enschede (in the east) and Eindhoven. I had to chuckle when you described Eindhoven as boring (or whatever your exact word was): It reminded me why I choose Delft, and not Eindhoven :)
@Gameboygenius6 ай бұрын
I was just about to sleep when a wild and excited, although I have to say very polite, deer rushed into my room and said: I went to ASML! I guess sleep can wait a little bit.
@treinvirm58366 ай бұрын
i saw you in the cleanroom didnt know it was you would have given you a tour of our workcenter the machine is really something else when you see it in real life.!
@ContemplativeCat2 ай бұрын
This is amazing. Thank you for the work you do on your videos. ♥
@ptrappe6 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@Google_Is_Evil6 ай бұрын
Maybe the history of Philips and all the spinoffs they did (ASML, NXP and such) as a future subject?
@sparqqling6 ай бұрын
Also NXP market cap is bigger then Philips.....
@GabrielCazorlaPersson16 ай бұрын
@@sparqqling The kids are getting older and the father growing smaller... Just like life!
@C4rb0neum5 ай бұрын
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@rsmrsm20006 ай бұрын
Thank you for making this excellent material available.
@albertmagician86136 ай бұрын
I worked for most high tech companies in the Netherlands including ASM Europe and Fico (molding chips) Shell, Natlab (Philips), European Space Agency, chili southern observatory. My regret is I never worked for ASML. I was almost hired, but the final interview with Tammer intimidated me and I blew it.
@fahminrahman35436 ай бұрын
Ah, new day, new Asianometry video. Love these contents. Very informative.
@KillahMate3 ай бұрын
Love that pause after "unlock shareholder value". It really does speak for itself.
@klauszinser6 ай бұрын
Very well done. Having been working in Eindhoven at a nearby truck plant in 1989/90, ASML what came out of Philips was done well. Thank you very much for the inside information. Also being aware of fast expanding Zeiss in Oberkochen/DE and Trumpf in Ditzingen/DE. Possibly a big expertise of ASML is managing all the different vendors. There are so many, worldwide.
@otakujhp6 ай бұрын
Unlocking investor value went so well for Boeing.
@Elegant-Capybara6 ай бұрын
"Unlock shareholder value" 😂 Absolute chumps bean counters are. I feel like AMD made a mistake spinning off GloFo, though it was sort of justified given how much they were struggling financially at that point.
@andersjjensen6 ай бұрын
They were twice as much in debt as they got for GloFo. There was no other option. They even sold their head quarters and rented them back. At the worst months, just before Zen went into mass production, engineers had to vacuum their own offices and cubicles because there was no money for anything but the most basic of sanitary musts. So no, it wasn't "sort of justified". It was that, or no AMD. It wasn't until 2021 they became debt free, which was what gave them the breathing room to purchase Xilinx, which required them to take up a loan of $2.5B along with converting Xilinx stocks into AMD stocks at favorable rates. They have brought the debt down to $1.7B since.
@nietur6 ай бұрын
Shareholders could've bought ASML at IPO 14 years later if they wanted to.
@jasonmajere21656 ай бұрын
Typical Wall Street behavior. Short term pennies over long term dollars.
@Elegant-Capybara6 ай бұрын
@@andersjjensen I know it was a sell or die moment for AMD but if they didn't buy ATI for that ridiculous price and held out for a better settlement from Intel, they might not have needed to spin-off the fabs, though in the end it looks like it worked out for everyone. Do you think Intel will also have to go this route given the massive inertia that owning a fab adds/detracts to the company's momentum with its ridiculous CapEx, or do you think the CHIPS and Science Act saved the industry from fab spin-offs and shut-downs.
@JMurph20156 ай бұрын
@@Elegant-Capybara buying ATI was a pretty good move at a pretty bad time. AMD needed to do *something* with the money it had from "winning the market" for a few years. The problem was that right after they bought ATI, the economy went to shit, Intel came back with the much more competitive Core architecture, and GloFo fell even further behind on its next gen process. That put AMD in an immediate bind.
@heidermarconi3 ай бұрын
Congratulations on the great channel! Love your videos! I work on analog ic design and there is something I could never understand about lithography: how do photoresists work when the feature sizes that are being made are in size of a few atoms? I would expect photoresists to be large organic molecules, and therefore, larger than the lithography feature size. Could you please share your knowledge on that matter?! Thank you so much!!
@wurmstaart6 ай бұрын
Did not see you in the HighNA lab when I was working there, missed out on that oppertunity lol
@RetroJack6 ай бұрын
He was the one with the antlers.
@Drumaier6 ай бұрын
Hey one question, the high NA EUV is working right? He say at the end of the video that is not working atm which greatly confused me.
@rvikrv6 ай бұрын
@@Drumaier I believe he means it's not suitable yet for high-volume production.
@Drumaier6 ай бұрын
@@rvikrv But you believe that because is what you know right? which is what I know too. But is not what he said, maybe he was talking about the hyper machine but he wrote high NA.
@wurmstaart6 ай бұрын
@@Drumaier there are several news items about High NA working :)
@Vatsek6 ай бұрын
You could visit companies that make components for that ASML machine. One of those companies is in San Diego. You could be there in your private jet this afternoon.
@ChaohsiangChen4 ай бұрын
It seems to me that ASML is increasingly getting tied to the US defense industry.
@JorenVaes5 ай бұрын
I got to see a prototype of the first generation EUV machine at the imec cleanroom in 2015. It had it's guts all splayed open as it was being worked on. Never before or after have in been so in awe of engineering as when I saw that - I cannot imagine how impressive the high-NA version must be.
@pimpampet70536 ай бұрын
I'm Dutch and living in the Eindhoven aera. Unilever and Shell both were mixed Dutch/English companies. They only went to the UK because of differences in taxes. Let them go to Brexitaria and see how they will flourish in the long run there....
@kindnuguz6 ай бұрын
Woah 1 min in and I learned something new, ASML was originally Philips ? Well spun off of etc.. Crazy as I grew up with many Philips electronics and would always confuse them with Panasonic lol Wasn't Philips part of GE at one time or partners because I see Philips GE Health care equipment and have for decades. It makes sense to me though as ASML with roots of Philips means it wasn't an overnight magical boom. Thank you
@dirtbag54086 ай бұрын
"Famously Blunt" w/ Amsterdam as a background scene. Deadpan delivery. Sir, you are good. BLUNT! You had me cracking up when the burnt out synapses had to start firing to catch that one. Well played. Content is fire.
@andersjjensen6 ай бұрын
I'm not 100% he thought of that perspective himself.
@barnabas.csermely6 ай бұрын
Yeah that didn't seem to be on purpose, but it's a banger
@cherrymountains726 ай бұрын
To be clear, it’s not because of blunts that we are blunt. And, of course, we don’t consider it blunt to ask for (or provide) an unambiguous clarification. Wouldn’t want (you) to assume the wrong thing now, do we? ;-)
@GabrielCazorlaPersson16 ай бұрын
What is the joke?
@passantNL6 ай бұрын
@@GabrielCazorlaPersson1 From Wikipedia: "A blunt is a cigar that has been hollowed out and filled with cannabis."
@supersat6 ай бұрын
How do they manage to position the wafer so precisely? (And so quickly?) Generating EUV light seems almost trivial compared to getting the accuracy of the steppers.
@katarn8486 ай бұрын
Infernal-meter's and prescanning wafers. That why the old lens machine is called twinscan. One wafer is scanned the other is exposed. It also reduce the shaking of machine somehow. You may want to watch the last Gear Corn video on ASML a couple of times : NA High something. The 4 refectros for the inferno-metre's near wafer are made by Anteryon i think ( which is Chinese own and near the airport (inside build BIC 1 )) . Building BiC 2 will be north of BIC1 across the road and will solely filled by Anteryon There will be BIC 3 till 6 North of the Road . Roughly north east of Fast Food Shop called Beatrix ( after the King mother ( stepped down Queen of The Netherlands ) The pumps are probably still from Edwards Vacuums (has very close service building ). Also there is a screen place before the Mask to stop atoms running the mask. Its very special material and has name i cannot remember at the moment This was developed with/by TuE ( Technical University Eindhoven ).
@vanCaldenborgh6 ай бұрын
After a project, I considered Eindhoven and its direct area as "Hell On Earth" as a place to live, but the machine building industry around semi-conductors is impressive, also looking at everything Philips brought on the market in the second half of the 20th century, quite impressive!
@johnkaplun96196 ай бұрын
I just left my job at Prodrive which is a major ASML supplies in Son, on the other side of Eindhoven from Veldhoven. Got to go there twice, actually stayed in a hotel thats in the background of one of your pictures. Such a cool city, so many nice people and so much incredible engineering going on. Really would have liked to move there for a while but it wasn't meant to be. I agree with you, ASML isn't going anywhere. They have work for years left to do there.
@andrewjohnston67196 ай бұрын
Great video thank you. I bought 'Focus' at your recommendation and look forward to reading it (amongst my rather large inbox of books 🙂).
@PakistanIcecream0003 ай бұрын
The Dutch appear to have an affinity with light & lens related technology: Antonie van Leeuwenhoek, Thomas Alpha Edison (who was of partial Dutch descent), Philips gloeilampen fabriek and asml lithography
@longboardfella53066 ай бұрын
Do not look into the laser with your remaining good eye
@Drumaier6 ай бұрын
WAIT.... Why did you say at the end of the video 15:15 that ASML is aware that nigh NA EUV doesn't work right now? If that is the machine intel got some months ago then I thought it was good to go, just expensive and with the caveat that is not a mature technology that might need some months of calibration and troubleshooting. But not working? What am I missing here?
@wplay94026 ай бұрын
Loving all your videos man. You talk about engineering and science advances with a lot of passion and well explained 😅😊
@Connor-vj7vfАй бұрын
I think the bit about Philips selling shares in ASML and TSMC is actually fair. They have to pitch to shareholders that they are the best place for RoI which would be reflected in share price. To continue to hold shares in another company (very liquid assets that are close to cash on hand) then they're effectively saying ASML and TSMC are better investments. E.g. would you buy a Ford if the guy at the dealership drove to and from work in a Chevrolet?
@MrHav1k6 ай бұрын
It's so funny/interesting that as of the uploading of this video TSMC has confirmed they're buying the High NA EUV machines lol.
@AgentSmith9116 ай бұрын
They finally had to admit that they too need High NA. I wonder if they had some insider information about Intel's High NA machines that made them go to ASML for a purchase. But now Intel has a slight head start. Panther lake will show us what High NA can do next year.
@1pcfred6 ай бұрын
If they don't buy it then Intel will.
@MissMan6666 ай бұрын
@@AgentSmith911 ofc TSMC would buy high NA machines, eventually. Its not like they go "hey i think we neee those". We dont really know how much TSMC or other company's can actually figure out how to get high NA working, etc do TSMC and others actually have people working at ASML, learning their machines. Its possible that TSMC has now aquired the high NA machines ahead of their planned schedule, also possible that they didnt and the the purchase is just on track. Its all guess work. Counting on Intel to be ahead with high NA is doubtful even tho they actually have the machines in their plants first. Intel was one of the first to buy EUV back in 2010 ish, and we all know they where very late at actually utilizing them properly. Its not as simple as who buys first wins, history has proven that.
@AgentSmith9116 ай бұрын
@@MissMan666 The TSMC leadership has previously claimed that they would never need high NA machines and that they would make their own new methods of improving the node production, but now we know they do.
@Drumaier6 ай бұрын
@@AgentSmith911 when was that? The word, as far as I know, was always that they were hesitant and balancing the cost benefits.
@mmaximk6 ай бұрын
Another great video, Jon thank you very much.
@Greenshrekinthemountains6 ай бұрын
Thanks for this. This was very very informative
@chris86126 ай бұрын
I enjoyed this so much, I wish it was longer.
@Celis.C6 ай бұрын
01:03 translation: *Philips and ASM International join forces* _"Philips (Scientific and Industrial Equipment) and Advanced Semiconductor Materials International N.V (ASM International) in Bilthoven expressed their intention for a joint venture to develop, produce and market advanced lithography machines for the semiconductor industry. The new venture will be established in Eindhoven and initially offer work for circa 50 employees, the majority of whom are already active in this field within Philips. It is expected that this number shall grow._ _The first product to hit the market is the so called wafer stepper. This advanced machine, known as the PAS-2000, is currently in production and use by Philips. The subsidiary companies of ASM International - located in the United States, Japan, Europe and Hongkong - shall serve as sales- and service centers._ _The new venture shall produce the wafer stepper in numbers for the global market. The development of new generation wafer steppers, currently under development at Philips, shall be transferred to the joint venture. There is also the intention to take over the development of other lithography machines."_
@katarn8486 ай бұрын
So far i know there is still a service running to refurbish the Pass-5000 series by ASML. My source is a video on ASml youtube channel.
@tdb79926 ай бұрын
I hope you enjoyed your time in the Netherlands. I love visiting there; everything is so organised, every square inch has been considered. It's impossible to not be impressed by the Dutch.
@0neIntangible6 ай бұрын
Just yesterday, I viewed a video about the history of Holland's 500 year battle, (complete with devastating floods), against the coastal seawalls, and of the engineering of the dykes, dams, canals and windmills to dramatically reclaim and increase their land area. Very ingenuitive and impressive!
@anonmouse9566 ай бұрын
I used to know a guy who worked for an American chip equipment maker, this was back before anyone got UV chipmaking to work. He said the main obstacle was getting the mirrors to last long enough because the UV light was quickly destroying them. Was his information correct and did they fix this?
@Norm4756 ай бұрын
A great video, thank you for uploading.
@mymodularjourney6 ай бұрын
I’m glad you got this opportunity. I know how loved your videos are amongst my colleagues. Did you visit during the IMEC lab opening event?
@youtubeurevil6 ай бұрын
Hey you were in my old city !!! nice to see it in your video
@yokoono426 ай бұрын
For your conflict of interest for the sponsoring bit: I don't think anyone would care if they would have invited you - this is ASML, the ONLY uEUV company.
@klauszinser6 ай бұрын
Waiting to buy an Apple M4 silicon Notebook. Right now the M1 is doing well. Good to know how it's made.
@zipperunamused90096 ай бұрын
Amazing experience. Asml explored then gave up on FEL light source a number of years back. Did they indicate why hyper na and not a FEL light source is their future when in theory FEL light fundamental solves the light power issue and could help fabs provide better node processes for decades?
@Ayo222106 ай бұрын
Have you done a video on RISC-V
@brianeisemann70756 ай бұрын
I love love your videos. Thank you! Didn't Russia recently announce that they had made an EUV lithography machine? I just laughed when I heard that, but I was wondering if there was any more to the story.
@AerialWaviator6 ай бұрын
Thank you for this exceptional glimpse into the problems being solved to build future chips.
@terrysnarfblatpiper75886 ай бұрын
Well done, awesome video. Thank you!😊✌️
@xanokothe6 ай бұрын
You can make really small features with ebeam, but the productivity is terrible. It is the difference between old Monks writing books by hand versus a modern printing press.
@codycast6 ай бұрын
3:18 odd question… when you show a picture, you have to show the URL it came from (bottom left). Is this some rule about giving “credit” so people don’t think you’re claiming it’s your picture? If it’s a pic you’re allowed to use do you also have to give that info?
@passantNL6 ай бұрын
It's about (online) etiquette as much as it is about rules. Giving credit is the least you can do if the owner of a picture allowed you to incorporate their work into your own productions. And of course, many owners explicitly demand that you credit them.
@codycast6 ай бұрын
@@passantNL cool. Thanks. Was curious 👍🏼
@Twangaming4 ай бұрын
And if you cite them you avoid disingenuous take down requests
@skyblueo6 ай бұрын
It's a company, not a cult. Very different from the Silicon Valley cults of personality, like Jobs, Musk, Zuck, etc.
@AnotherAmerican916 ай бұрын
Oh I wouldn't be so quick to judge. The Europeans have their quarks too.
@coraltown16 ай бұрын
Apple is most definitely a 'company', like them or not.
@ADSLPL6 ай бұрын
European corporations have a different work ethos from American ones. I would rather work in a German or French corporation than in an American one.
@musicdev6 ай бұрын
@@AnotherAmerican91Well yeah, everything technically has quarks, or at least if they have protons and neutrons
@jordanb.45146 ай бұрын
companies make money > money creates greed > greed ruins everything. WITH politics in the mix? wishful thinking og
@hoff98546 ай бұрын
Am currently trying to get a job at ASML after finishing my Physics degree. Hearing they've been lowering their standards despite my continued rejections feels bad lol 🙃🙃
@jan7486 ай бұрын
As an ASML employee and lifelong resident of Veldhoven and Eindhoven I can confirm that this is all quite accurate. Especially the high number of new employees is of concern to much of the more experienced colleagues who see everything within ASML get slower. Regarding the story about ASML leaving: Peter Wennink said that the option of bringing future growth abroad was considered and this was somehow translated to "ASML wants to leave" in the news. Relocating would be totally unfeasable anyway. The technology and investment required in the supply chain for EUV is so massive that ASML is safely locked in. And veldhoven is basically just a neighborhood of Eindhoven nowadays.
@Lazerecho6 ай бұрын
How does the supply chain differ from other fab tools?
@GLAJMAN6 ай бұрын
Who uses Nikon and Canon EUV stuff? I mean the new equipment. I know they can't do the most advanced nodes(the cool guy 7+), but it's like they don't exist in the discussion. I'm guessing some of the Chinese companies (SMEE, ex) probably sell locally, but not sure about it either.
@kellensanna6 ай бұрын
None of those companies have EUV systems. Nikon and canon compete with asml in the DUV space. SMEE tried to compete in the DUV space years ago, but got beat out. However the pivoted quite successfully into the advanced packaging market (basically even lower end than DUV). It remains to be seen if the expanded export restrictions on ASML motivate the Chinese government enough to push SMEE up the value chain to DUV and maybe eventually EUV
@GLAJMAN6 ай бұрын
@@kellensanna Thank you for the answer! In layman terms, what would be the highest node that you can "print", on the Japanese DUV machines? By advanced packaging(for trailing nodes) you mean steppers? I'm sorry if it's a stupid question.
@kellensanna6 ай бұрын
@@GLAJMAN Im not up to date on the latest and greatest nodes but to my knowledge there isnt anything you can create yet on EUV that you cant create with DUV multipatterning. The difference is time and cost and quality. EUV allows you to skip a whole bunch of repeated exposures and complexity, which slashes cost and increases yield. So if youe foundry doesnt use it for the complex nodes youll make less profit. You have to remember that the challenges in this industry isnt about making a single result. Its about industrializing it cost effectively for millions of those results. These machines produce hundreds of wafers per hour and are being run 24 hours a day 7 days a week. This is why even though multiple labs and research teams (even SMEE) have demonstrated EUV lithography exposures, SMEE is still 20 years behind on an marketable EUV system. And for the advanced packaging market yes some machines that do this “feature size” level of lithography are steppers, but some are scanners as well. Its all about the fact that when you have a less critical node to deliver (like in advanced packaging) other aspects like cost and throughput matter a lot more. You could use an EUV machine to do all your advanced packaging, but why would you when you are paying millions for the machine, producing wafers slowly, and paying large upkeep costs. Instead you buy a cheaper machine with less accuracy that you dont need and make sure that it can pump out wafers as quick as possible.
@paxundpeace99703 ай бұрын
They probably build a lot for 22nn 14nn nodes or different nodes for subsystems in automotive or other Industries
@gustavofring-thechickenman6 ай бұрын
Great video 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
@hypercomms20016 ай бұрын
It is kind of sad what has happened to Phillips, as I worked with the radio products division, and later as a sales engineer for their scientific and industrial, test and measurement division, in the early 1990s. They were significant players in both markets, and now they are no more. Sometimes I think company directors get too much involved in worrying about share prices, rather than producing excellent products that are second to none, which the predicament that Boeing is in currently, represents that situation exactly. As an engineer myself, I do see this is the problem when you have Directors that do not have an engineering background, but are managing Technology companies, and so one day Philips Will no longer exist, as will Boeing.
@Martinit04 ай бұрын
Companies go down when the products and services they provide are no longer needed.
@MalinCruceru6 ай бұрын
if the next thing are Xrays, then it will be based on diffraction, not reflection imho. We're already getting close to that since High NA is around 13.5 nm, with Xrays starting at 10 nm. Perhaps the best way to go from now would be with be with beta radiation since a beam can be manipulated with magnetic lenses.
@pizzablender6 ай бұрын
Electrons repel each other, which is a problem with electron beam lithography. Maybe less of a problem if it is not a beam but a whole image at once, fewer electrons in one place.
@FrigoCoder6 ай бұрын
Diffraction is already infeasible because it filters out high frequencies.
@MalinCruceru6 ай бұрын
@@FrigoCoder what do you mean by that?
@FrigoCoder6 ай бұрын
@@MalinCruceru We can only use mirrors and not lenses because EUV is already too high frequency and would be filtered out by lenses. Unless you mean diffraction by other means and not lenses.
@MalinCruceru6 ай бұрын
@@FrigoCoder yes. diffraction is a different phenomena than reflection.
@陳世忠-e6b4 ай бұрын
The Veldhoven is doing good and ASML just implement well.
@rancosteel6 ай бұрын
Where are the components CNC’d?
@youxkio6 ай бұрын
3:58 The "Just Go Then" movement is nothing but represented by ignorant people because they are biting on the hand that fed them for generations. These hardline legacy companies (ASML, Shell, etc) have provided the development of specialized products while hiring specialized local labor that otherwise would have to be outsourced. The Dutch companies helped the Netherlands to maintain stability in the economic crisis and maintain Dutch people's higher standards of lifestyle than other EU members.
@Ben233156 ай бұрын
"The waferstage is the same as the old maschine" - you sure? The Mirrorblock looks different than the current NXE maschines
@nobodynever78846 ай бұрын
Carl Zeiss next?
@maneeshs38766 ай бұрын
Similar to Huntsville, Alabama
@alexis11566 ай бұрын
Are the issues with using x rays physics? Or are the issues that we currently do not have the means/materials to use them in lithography?
@EduardoEscarez6 ай бұрын
Is like everything you mention. Is difficult to manage x rays and the materials of the machine (including the masks) absorbs that radiation, so it creates its own set of problems. Probably isn't impossible to overcome, but a very difficult task for ASML and its partners due to its dedication on conventional optics.
@Martinit04 ай бұрын
The shorter wavelength you go the more difficult it becomes to reflect light. For x-rays you have to have very shallow angle of incidence on optics (a few degrees only) so all the light path becomes very long and you can't fold it up to such a compact size as the current "beast".
@alexis11564 ай бұрын
@@Martinit0 I see, thanks
@aalhard6 ай бұрын
Slow paced is a good thing. Enjoy it while you can.😊
@fluffy_tail43656 ай бұрын
hgahgaghag those tweets. The over engineered guy has a #d printer startup that hasn't shipped anything with a broken site and a major in economics. The kind of person that unlocks your shareholder value
@tanall59596 ай бұрын
Got a couple friends of mine that live in Eindhoven. Hope to visit next year ^.^
@patrickshanghai20646 ай бұрын
excellent video. thx!
@aero10006 ай бұрын
Good thing ASML's shareholders are companies like TSMC and Intel. Unlocking shareholder means innovation.
@Nobe_Oddy6 ай бұрын
OMG!!!! HAHAHAAAA!!! the BEST PART of this video (and the ENTIRE Internet) is @ 8:38 - reading what those IDIOTS thought was INTELLIGENT.... BUAHAHA!!! Funniest dang thing of 2024!! "Vertically Integrate like SpaceX" HAHAHAAAAA!!!! Thank you for that! - the rest of the video is very informative... I would have LOVED to have gone on that trip too.... Smart man you are. ... stay safe my fren.
@brianflaherty90546 ай бұрын
seeing hardware in these videos that I personally designed never gets old! Reticle Handler gang in Stage's shadow as per usual lol
@jasonz7788Ай бұрын
Awesome thank you
@dcviper9856 ай бұрын
I can’t speak to other FAANGS, but having just started at AWS I can say that much effort is being put toward maintaining Amazon’s “peculiar” culture.
@aalhard6 ай бұрын
7:32 excessive invention??
@michaellin67836 ай бұрын
is there any footage you can share not these static ones
@Asianometry5 ай бұрын
Nope
@Timemachineultra6 ай бұрын
Lovely video!
@dwinsemius6 ай бұрын
What to do when your CTO is at the core of the culture and is about to retire? Well, don't bring in a guy whose focus is sales. Immelt replaced Welch around 2000. It didn't go very well. They lost their engineering focus and fell flat on their face.
@passantNL6 ай бұрын
Yet most people seem to blame Welch for the decline of the company.
@artofcomputing-art6 ай бұрын
Next up, Jon visits Canon/Nikon/SMEE, would be nice to see
@kneelesh482 ай бұрын
Why do they need a sales team when they have 3-4 total customers?
@nomnommonsterr6 ай бұрын
How do you even train the new batch of people that join the company to assemble and operate such a machine? Pinnacle of our advancement as a species.
@andymouse6 ай бұрын
Awesome !.....cheers.
@Ateszika6 ай бұрын
I mean, not sure what you mean, like new microphones that are specialized for ASMR? Or doing new things besides eating? ASMR is good as it is now it's kind of a tough field to innovate in.