What's Next For Mythos | Pedal Pushers Podcast

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Zach and Matthew chat about where the company is headed and want to know what you guys want to see.
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[@denniscoverband4369]

@zach broyles please put a plate reverb with an oracle-like delay combo pedal together.

[@JamesVanD]

Interesting convo, guys! Thanks for being vulnerable; I enjoy it and feel like it adds to the personality of your company. As for my 2 cents, I would love to see a new analog EQ pedal on the market. Doesn't need to be fancy, but an alternative to the Boss pedal, maybe with adjustable bands, but definitely made well with no noise that doesn't need to be modded after the fact would be awesome. Beyond that, I believe you might be overthinking things a bit if you want to sell pedals. People want something that looks good, has some bona fides (which you have), then performs. I'd hire a visual designer before I hired a circuit designer. At the end of the day, the farther you go down the niche pedal route, the more expensive your pedals get while you're selling less. Let your drive pedals be your signature, then have fun with everything else! Get them on upcoming band's boards and you'll be seen. I'm always rooting for you guys!

[@GitShiddy]

Love this episode, complete transparency just an openness that's refreshing. I have many thoughts so apologies for the word vomit. I don't think of drives as spices. Guitar & amp is your stove & cook wear, mod/delay/verb is your spices, drive is the ingredients. Some people want to try every cut of meat, every species of potato; other's stick to chicken & russets (I'm in the latter). Mythos as a brand I feel has 2 fan types: Mjolnir people & Golden Fleece people (again I'm the latter). So you're drive and/or fuzz. Like I can't imagine a Mythos Multi-effect (even though the Susmaryoseph exists). Dabbling into specific "spices" is great but Mythos is meat & potatoes imo. Off that thought the Positron. Zach's right its....not great brand synergy. My perspective, the Positron Collider isn't a Mythos Pedal, it's a Zach Broyles pedal. It's a pedal Zach makes for a bit of fun that appeals (aesthetically) to his inner child. But Mythos is the adult, if that makes sense. So trying to make a Mythos pedal derived from the Positron Collider doesn't quite work. Nothing about Positron says Myth/Mythos, nothing about Positron says Big Muff imo. If a relaunch happened say with a Soviet Muff circuit Mythos Baba Yaga, dope, Ram's Head Muff Mythos Ammon, dope. Even a standard style Muff Mythos Bast, or Fat Bast for funsies, again dope. And might've sold better 🤷‍♀🤷‍♂. I like less common drives personally (currently using a Colourdriver & Echoplex style drives) so I'm always looking forward to the day Zach makes weirder shit. However I know every Mythos thing sounds good. So even if it's not weird, not for me, I'm listening & paying attention. You make a Rat I'm listening, hell you make a Tube Screamer I'm still going to listen whilst rolling my eyes because dear god we need another tube screamer like we need a hole in the head; but I digress. Mythos became what it is by Zach following his muse not by committee (even though I'm sure he's asked for people's thoughts). Everything made with passion is noticeable & welcome & respected. So ignore everything I've said & do what you want. It's worked so far.

[@oweneades7843]

You guys are just the coolest. You can’t be more open about what you’re doing than you are Zach. I don’t own a Mythos yet, I’ve played a Fates however, and that was the best, most lush chorus I’ve ever played. I’m a teacher, so I have to wait a while, but if your overdrives are tuned as well as the BBD chorus, I imagine they are super. Congrats on the Herc man! You rock!❤

[@michaelclark5020]

I would love to see a excellent wah wah pedal from mythos

[@kalenotte4915]

I compared the positron to multiple other Muff style circuits and the Positron was on top. Just more note definition and flexibility. Add in the Supa TB switch and you get two in one. I think there might have been not enough education of what it does. Even the guitar store rep at the store had no idea what it was until I played it.

[@craigjacoway8106]

I love your delay pedal . I wish y’all could make a basic delay/ spring reverb combo pedal (no tap tempo needed). With my style of playing , a Herculean deluxe , delay and reverb is all I need.

[@joelhabrial3897]

Great episode! I think Flanger is the next logical step because of its relation to delay and chorus. I would also love to see a Wah with internal adjustments or at least minimal knobs sticking out the side. I recently built the Lightcycle Phasor II kit from Stewmac, and it was so satisfying see how that pedal works. I really think that style of Phaser is lacking in the market and could have a lot of opportunity for tweaking. The majority of my drive section is Mythos and I don't see that changing any time soon, so keep up the good work!

[@FrKyleSanders]

A Mythos one knob phase would be the bomb!

[@paulmatulevich3623]

To summarize all points starting off I'd say it's gotta be the vibe that fits your tribe. Your not the same as Jamie because he's the guy that has a house full of weird gear and medical equipment that's been retconned into guitar amps and all manner of other strange junk. And that's the guy he is. But what you have in common is that your pedals have baseline utility that means you can toss it in line. And it's part of the chain without having to finesse the rest of the chain/sound to fit it. It's just in line and you're off to the races; good sound, there it is. And you guys are really selling yourselves short on the non-gain pedals, because they're fantastic! And they're fantastic because their tone is cohesive and well tuned. A lot of pedals that are more feature heavy are kind of isolated because you get caught up in all the stuff it can do but in the context of your chain as a whole the percentage of what bit is useful is far narrower. Fine if you have experience and time, but for gigging guys who need good tone fast without time to whack through the weeds and novices who are tossing darts in the dark that's counterproductive. And so your stuff works great because it eliminates any accessibility issues for players at any point in the spectrum. Personally I think you could strike while the iron's hot and do a Harmonic trem. I think you could do great things with it, and they're big right now. But you made an ODR1 before they were big, same with the Bluesbreaker (bit closer to the trend but still at the start) and those ended up becoming huge trends. So trust yourself, because you clearly know what's good 💯. The Positron was unfortunate, but it's aesthetic was a bit of a miss. It lacked the solidifying logos and such for obvious legal reasons to cement the Ghostbusters connection and so the remaining elements were too much of an intuitive leap. And unlike the Collider it doesn't look cool enough itself to weather somebody not understanding the reference. Honestly I think it would do great with a rehouse. If the base tonality of your pedals is the road to the tonal goal then the features you've included are beauteous scenery along the journey and not long detours. When there's time you might find something special on a detour, but that's a romanticized ideal and you may just find a broken down truck stop, or possibly a McDonald's. And then you'll have lost time and gained nothing to arrive at the same destination. Mythos is the shortest scenic route en route to Tonetown. (And it's delightful to see you pop up in the TPS group). EQD is like a roadside attraction where it's funky but also along the way, like "Worlds biggest ball of yarn" or Niagara Falls if you're driving to Canada.

[@justinsmitherman3768]

I like the texture of transistor based clipping so exploring that idea more would be cool to see from you guys!

[@coryburns13]

Always a good conversation guys! I just finished redoing an Epiphone 335 so I would love to see what you guys did with one!

[@chrisrauber6956]

Lots of good stuff in this video. Made me take another look at the Positron. I originally missed the fact that is has a bass control knob and has more mids than a traditional Ram’s Head. I ordered one from your site. I dig your pedals. My first Mythos pedal was the Lark, and I still love it. I’ll grab a Hurc Deluxe soon. Thanks for making cool stuff!

[@rhythmguru1]

It's almost funny, been watching you guys for a bit, especially with your association with Joey. I snagged a High Road directly from a Bros Landreth show a couple weeks back and it's so great. Honestly the Positron never caught my eye, but I listened to this and your (objectively) sad reminisce about it and couldn't even come up with the sound. I checked out your demo of it and saw the discount and into the cart it went. These are my first two Mythos pedals, keep up the good work. Next I'll save up for a Herculean. Still waiting for your 1666 pedal 😉

[@admarhermans1]

I play bass. I love the Mythos pedals I saw various guitarists use that I’ve played with. Great drive sounds! As a bassist I like some drive too. After trying gazillions of (bass) drivepedals for years and years I did find lots that I love, but none I really can use live for what I do. I need the clean sound to be also there. Not just with a blend knob or a level knob that doesn’t go beyond unity gain. No, I need to be able to boost the clean sound (somewhat) too. And, because I like just a tiny bit of subtle drive on blues or even jazz tunes too, I’d love any old school kind of drive circuit that can do that and the heavier stuff both. Not a drive sound like the modern stuff from Scandinavia... I’m too old for that and I tend to really dislike those sounds! 😄 I know many Bassplayers that are looking for the exact same pedal I am looking for: Clean level (boost/ cut) Drive level Gain Tone Use any drive circuit you like! Help us out, please. That, and better availability on Europes mainland please. 🖖 Drive

[@189pinto]

Next on the list for me is a phaser. Love phaser. If there was only one modulation pedal out there: phaser.

[@nickolasecker9596]

As a player overdrive pedals actually inspire me most. Yes delay/reverb/mod also inspire me but once I find a delay/verb/mod I really enjoy I don’t deviate from it, arguably because there are just much fewer styles of the aforementioned genres. Dirt pedals on the other hand are nearly endless, and what sounds good with one amp or guitar may sound entirely different through another so there’s the struggle of owning different amps and building a combo of dirt pedals that work with it. 😊

[@stahliwood8755]

My first Mythos pedal, I bought the wildwood mjolnir and do not regret it. I also have a Blues driver, Notaklon and a Lovepedal Kalamazoo gold so I think most of us can never have enough OD pedals

[@AarynMartin96]

Whatever you guys do next, just keep making the effects/circuits that you genuinely love. It shows and nowadays especially, I don’t personally have any interest in pedals that only serve a functional purpose. All the Mythos stuff I have is great and it’s very obvious you guys give a shit. I’ve never felt more like myself as a player than when using y’alls pedals.

[@markbyers5569]

I’d like to see a Chupacabra with a Treble and Bass control or maybe a boost or separate channel much like the Walrus 385 mk2. I own a Mythos Chupacabra v1 and love that thing. Having a little bit more tweak-ability would force me to buy the newest version. I also own a Lark. I would be pumped if a v2 was made without the tremolo but add a tone/treble/bass control. I wouldn’t be mad about a Mythos doing every fuzz variant!

[@Angus.Maclean]

Put succinctly, the elusive tone we all search for comes from drives, ODs, & boosts, resulting in a switching out those pedals. If desired, we've delay, chorus, flange, phase, or reverberate THAT tone, with little need to change a pedal unless it doesn't do a particular trick (e.g., shimmer).

[@justinnorton9414]

I love the POSITRON. Great Pedal.

[@jeffball6656]

Drives are great. And there are a lot of spices in the area if drives. But I would love to see Mythos have a full variety of modulation and delays too.

[@jeffdavidson3975]

I think the Mythos brand is all about simple, easy to use, effects that sounds great. I think it would be awesome to branch out to modulation but keep it in that simple form factor that yall are known for. Something with 1-3 knobs that’s easy to understand and gets you where you need to go.

[@JediJkB81]

I do love my Positron. I think it sounds great in any setting but I have the switch down to the loud setting with the intensify about as low as it will go and focus (volume) at unity. My LP into the Positron and into a dirty amp is rad as hell.

[@stephentemple212]

The Herc Deluxe is SO good. For new stuff I’d like to see something simple- like a console preamp style pedal with phantom power via XLR (in and out of course) and a wet section with stereo harmonic trem and plate reverb.

[@kwyatt261]

Yeah... simple lol

[@PaterCap330]

The positron - I was pumped for it…. Because I wanted the positron collider - it wasn’t that… it was cartoonish. I was most excited about the positron collider aesthetic more than the sound. I also didn’t know it was a big muff, I don’t have a big muff style fuzz… I could buy the positron because I want to support Mythos, but I don’t like the look of the positron. Put one of the boards in a standard Mjolnir box, paint it purple… and I’ll buy it.

[@mlu7037]

In my gigging cover band, overdrive is almost always on - either light or heavy. As the only guitar in the band, I always struggle with transit from cleanish to heavy OD without the switch pop and volume blast... I need a fast, smooth and seamless drive pedal. Think Creep by Radiohead and the dynamics required by a single guitar.

[@Airfire21]

I would love to see some more fuzzy stuff from you guys. Accessible stuff like the Golden Fleece (although I have the High Road version which maybe bias's me a little bit as I'm a Joey fan) - that allows you to access the very core of what a type of fuzz is. Maybe the Positron is that but didn't land right (I also had a BM previously and didn't like it) - I guess you have to find a way to do it without treading on the 'Legends of Fuzz' territory of JHS. You guys are clever enough to do that though, even if I'm not!

[@jeffball6656]

Hi there Mythos folks!

[@reverb508]

I know you can achieve something similar by setting a drive pedal below unity gain, but I would love to have a pedal that simulates rolling off the volume on my guitar. I love the drive sound I get out of my amp and use the volume knob to clean up. Would be nice to be able to keep my guitar volume up and just use a pedal to switch back and forth. You can call it "Hygieia" after the goddess of cleanliness. 😊

[@Jeb_binch]

FWIW I associate you guys with usable analog effects. Not much of a drive guy so I am heavily weighing buying a Fates or Oracle like, all the time. So maybe look at what JRAD did with their Mr. Moto, which is their Boing algorithm paired with an analog Tremolo circuit. If you’re going to invest in developing a plate algorithm, maybe explore what analog modulation circuits could complement it for a possible two in one effect. If the Mr. Moto had better branding, I think we’d see it on more boards, and that’s a point where you guys really excel. I realize that would entail possibly investing in the development of another effect, so maybe not the best idea, but it sprung to mind.

[@ryanjohnson9121]

I would love a Mythos Plate Reverb to complete my all Mythos board!

[@stevesnuffer3210]

How about that Mythos Argo Octave Fuzz being featured on none other than Robben Ford's Pedalboard on TPS 🤘🎶 Congrats Zach and Mythos fam!!

[@MythosPedals]

SO INCREDIBLE!

[@nicholashumphrey1649]

Crispiest Drive boys in the game(mjolnir/chup made me blush) still waiting on that univibe👀

[@davidrustad2084]

As I think about it, if there was a Mythos spring/hall option...it would be the Caroline Meteore. And the Oracle sounds great with it. So, honestly, think about how it should be different than that? I like a smoky Zachy plate with simple controls.

[@Tsak112]

Would love to see a comparison vid on the chupacabra vs MLA Eliminator I think focusing on big releases like the new herc/oracle and building a lot of interest was a big push in the right direction for Mythos. Quality releases over Quantity releases.

[@superskinnykid101]

Drives are not necessarily my favourite type of pedal (to me they all start sounding similar after awhile). But when I think of Mythos I ALWAYS think of drive pedals. And none of your drive circuits blend together with the others for me, they all have a unique voice that I can quite literally "picture" when I'm thinking about what drive pedal I need to buy/use. Imo, this is an extremely smart business model. Don't try to compete on all fronts! Simply be the best at what you do so that when someone wants to buy a drive pedal they inevitably think Mythos.

[@fearlessdiymusic]

Do all the non-dsp you like and keep it all simple - it’s your wheelhouse and it’s wonderful 🤘

[@cmc2878]

Definitely down for a Mythos voiced rat!

[@heycaptjack]

Dig my Herc Deluxe!

[@RockAudioExperiments]

You can never have too many drives, I pity the "all clipping is distortion, it's all the same!" crowd. Someone needs to get Zach a Plumes, the king of TS variants 🤘

[@charleszaman7666]

THE GANG MAY JUST BE THE MOST HANDSOME MEN IN MUSIC, IT HAS BEEN SAID. Drives are the most fun, I’ve got like 4/5 (one double) on my board, and when I’m home, I don’t really bother with the other stuff because the drives are just more fun. Modulations are good fun in a band situation though

[@TheGuitarMan71]

I’d like to see a pedal that does a Duane Allman thing with a lot of midrange honk.

[@michaelclark5020]

Positron is cool name but I had no idea it was a muff pedal until now

[@TonefulPraise]

Make a high gain drive with a tight bottom end but that is dynamic with the guitar volume. I’m thinking like the pinnacle side of the wampler gearbox but that’s not as dark but still has that awesome gate. As an aside. I love the idea of wampler pedals but I’ve tried like 5 different drives from them and they’re always too dark sounding

[@michaelclark5020]

I have a mythos bridge on my board all mythos pedals.

[@user-vv7hb8ok2f]

a Rat with a clean blend and a noise gate. That's a million dollar idea.

[@ibaneztubescreamer]

How about a Mythos TS style pedal where you can dial back in more low/high end? Think about the things that the TS pedal haters cry about in front of their webcam, maybe we can save them money on tissues and save the environment at the same time.

[@TheArmydiver]

I think being too cute about the topology of a pedal serves no purpose. If you're going to make a Tube Screamer style pedal, explain clearly why yours is different or better. To me, it's helpful when you can relate a pedal to a specific player's sound (BFG, Doyle Bramhall, Joey Landreth.)

[@JamTagg]

I’m not interested in another version of something that already exists. Here’s an idea. Fire about a sub octave fuzz with a parallel path for mix? Basically, something that allows you to dial in as much of the starved Hephaestus sub octave sound as you want while allowing you to play at full gain on the guitar, but then have a mix control to allow it to be as much or as little of that wool, and-or sub octave as you like!

[@Ethan-cl5rf]

Mythos doesn't really do an amp in box. It would cool to see a pedal based on a unique, lesser known amp (i.e. not a plexi or tweed). A tremolo with two separate speeds would also be sick.

[@stephenbolech7677]

How about a Tremodillo-inspired tremolo??

[@jadeclerc]

I would like to see a tube screamer and blues breaker in a double pedal

[@stevenkoppelkam643]

I still want a reverb. I get why you haven't done one, but im holding out hope

[@189pinto]

Matt, just for fun try a ProCo Solo. Do it. :)

[@BrianSGuitars]

"Homeless Dad" - band name!

[@joshuaraysummey7679]

On tremolo!!!!!> you've messed with the chorus and it sounds great! It would be cool if some one did a feature enriched version of the Magnatone amp trem, blend pitch and amplitude modulation? Ive heard some keeley algorithms i really like, and that crazy tube circuits killer v looks super cool but i havent seen much else. I also understand that the suggestion is opposite of what zach said hed do 😂😂😂😂😂

[@fearlessdiymusic]

Phaser flanger and call it a day. Verb and vibrato are in most amps anyway.

[@189pinto]

I do think the problem with the Positron was marketing. Unless you're a person that follows Mythos, you will never know the starting point of the sound (is it a distortion pedal?). If you're just browsing in a store, you will probably try something that has a point of reference for the sound rather that say "What's that thing?". Don't give up on it, I think it will eventually catch on. Sometimes things just take their own time penetrating the collective mind of the market. Also, for me at least, all fuzz pedals should have a battery.

[@joshuaraysummey7679]

@zach i dont think your wrong but maybe incomplete. i think the muff mrkt is different. Having something as artistically amazing as the collider, there is 'diet' element to the packaging of positron, that said, so many companies are doing their cool versions of muffs, that as a consumer, if i ultimately decide that i am not shelling out for a collider or another companies flagship muff, im already diet-utility mode, and immediately my brain says i can get 3 used versions of different ehx muffs and be golden, that or the jhs multi muff thing. I think the pedal shouldnt be related by name or art to the collider, if that necesitates different paripheral set of features in your mind, go nuts but, if it were me, i disassociate the two packaging wise. Love what you guys do, sorry, im opinionated today apparently lol Keep it up! #littlehercforever jk ;)

[@charleszaman7666]

Do a double drive with a treble booster + another drive 👉🏼👈🏼

[@davidrustad2084]

The other company I think of as the Drive guys would be Greer. You are different enough with regard to their vibe and the sounds you guys gravitate to that I think it can work. Just don't overdo OD vs fuzz; keep the fuzz strong.

[@TonefulPraise]

Love your podcast but the Herc Deluxe didn’t work for me, I wanted it to work so badly too! It was just too THICK for what I play and I couldn’t get it to clean up, I mean for like dad rock or rock n role in general it was fantastic, for P&W and prog where you want sparkly cleans it just couldn’t do it 😢

[@trevorthomas5552]

ANALOG PHASER WITH A MIX KNOB PLEASE.

[@stanislavmigra]

Doing wrong: Zach dislikes too many things 😂😂😂😂 Right: all your pedals 👍 For future: Maybe some pedals like the Lark was

[@matthewwhitley982]

@kzbin.info Pos-Itron in the current Mythos font. Marketed as Version 3.14.

[@grantbob]

Keeley has to be up there too and maybe Wampler?

[@jonathanbarwick5594]

I HEARD WAH PEDAL!!!!! I HEARD WAH PEDAL!!!!!

[@jamesburke2311]

Couldn't disagree more about drives. There's PLENTY on the market. I'll probably play a BD2 and a plumes for the rest of my life but I'm constantly looking for new modulation and delay. This is what gets me excited and thought Fates and Oracle we're really great at bringing some classic sounds with some modern updates.

[@tone1798]

I know lip readers Zach! Lol . I rock my HERC with pride 🤘🏽🤙🏽👈🏼

[@stevenkoppelkam643]

In regards to the position, i dont like white pedals, and idk if it dooms. Thats the only way i like to use a muff

[@Tone-Quest]

No rat for me, but thanks for asking. 🐀

[@Hugh_Jaynus_00]

Need a version of the Colorsound Powerboost like the Trufi Colordriver with an octave switch up in there. Up or down. Me too dumb to know. Me like noise and not beep beep boop noise. A cestus in that bastard. Or Cestus and Argo tag teaming the Colordriver to make a beautiful demon baby that can burn your granny’s house down or just give her a kiss on her banana pudding covered beard.

[@gregpepper6053]

If half of Nashville still uses a Boss TR-2 why do a tremolo? 😅 we need more univibe!

[@sdsinatra]

What % of your customers are “bedroom” or “man cave” players who want great sounds at low volume? A low volume drive/distortion that keeps the full frequency range intact would be money.

[@pereztube2]

Make a rat!

[@Digosaurus]

Just make a TS already dawwwggg

[@joekruger8033]

I think it would be a mistake to try to be everything to everyone. Be really great at the area you carve out. The pedals need to sound and look great. Marketing is so important. product can be great but looks cheap or ugly..etc. Demos, signed covers, packaging, etc. Strymon had time based covered, if you delve into that bath water, your tech better be different and better!

[@HarrisArt]

IMO you have to offer an option for the basics on a board. Reverb & Tremelo for sure and a WAH. I know the case is pricey but you could small batch them and they would sell for sure.

[@grantbob]

"Pedal Pushers - NOW with MORE clickbait"!!!!

[@daustin777]

Univibe, not tremelo!!

[@joshuaraysummey7679]

Mxr is big right? And my favorite rat costs 32 bucks on reverb, dont make that lol #bigcheapmagusforever

[@michaelclark5020]

Don’t make a ratt.

[@kalkidasofficial]

White pedals are synonymous of CHEAP pedals, blame it to JHS three series and notaklon. My humble advise Zach: never ever make a white pedal. 🔥