What's So Bad About The Galactic Empire?

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@SYLOStarWars
@SYLOStarWars 6 жыл бұрын
The Empire and the First Order are not the same thing, though.
@Xezian
@Xezian 6 жыл бұрын
ah but the first order is a reorganization of the remnants of the empire attempting to follow in it's footsteps, which means they are likely to have a similar ideology and policies to the original galactic empire, especially considering at the start of the first order many of the leaders and commanders of the empire were the leaders and commanders of the first order
@pablodelatorregalvez4260
@pablodelatorregalvez4260 6 жыл бұрын
They both have the same ideology.
@christopherender8164
@christopherender8164 6 жыл бұрын
The first order are simple imitators
@Ike_of_pyke
@Ike_of_pyke 6 жыл бұрын
Xezian there was no drafting and stealing of children
@ImTheKingOfHyrule
@ImTheKingOfHyrule 6 жыл бұрын
Try telling that to Disney.
@lordhierophant863
@lordhierophant863 7 жыл бұрын
You can't use the force awakens in this video because that's not the Empire, that's the first order. two separate entities.
@BagzAndPresident
@BagzAndPresident 6 жыл бұрын
Octavian Stark they're the same
@andriuskrom7603
@andriuskrom7603 6 жыл бұрын
Both the vile First Order and righteous Republic used slave armies. Neither the clones nor the kidnapped children had a choice in becoming soldiers. As far as we can tell, the Empire was an all volunteer military.
@andriuskrom7603
@andriuskrom7603 6 жыл бұрын
gendalfff The glorious Empire didn't use clones for the bulk of it's armed forces. It primarily only used volunteers.
@machirim2805
@machirim2805 6 жыл бұрын
You are slightly incorrect about the Empire. They did use volunteer soldiers, but they also conscripted people. Think of conscription as where it is mandatory to join the military or else.
@ailinsaari6434
@ailinsaari6434 6 жыл бұрын
victorien garrigues ,Well, now we're getting into the Blade Runner dilemma. The star wars clones and the replicants of the Blade Runner are mere objects or do they have humanity? This also puts a question at artificial intelligence. How should they be treated?
@emperorconstantine1.361
@emperorconstantine1.361 6 жыл бұрын
Finn was from the First Order, a different timeline. They kidnapped children because they were desperate for troops. The Empire never had to because they had so many volunteers and would clone the top ten graduates from each class of troopers.
@rondaxen88
@rondaxen88 4 жыл бұрын
When the hell did the Empire clone stormtrooper graduates?
@emperorconstantine1.361
@emperorconstantine1.361 4 жыл бұрын
DominickS8 in legends. Only the top ten, but only about a squad of each graduate. The idea was to hopefully have a few extra top of the line soldiers either to fight as a squad or to lead. Either or, but it was common. In the new canon, that stopped. (Or it happens in new canon, it’s has been awhile, so I forgot.)
@rondaxen88
@rondaxen88 4 жыл бұрын
Emperor Constantine 1. O ok
@rondaxen88
@rondaxen88 4 жыл бұрын
@GodZpeed X7 what
@emperorconstantine1.361
@emperorconstantine1.361 4 жыл бұрын
GodZpeed X7 actually not, check out pre-Disney canon. I learned about it several years ago and was shocked because I never knew about that pre-Disney.
@zachcarpenter3903
@zachcarpenter3903 5 жыл бұрын
4:49-4:52 "taking their property by force" *Shows Darth Vader using the Force to swipe Han's blaster* I laughed so damn hard.
@fyfyi6053
@fyfyi6053 Жыл бұрын
Jokes aside, the reality is that Star Wars is Stew Pead. lol It looks good, it's fun to watch, it's entertaining but not a very thought out story.
@Monchich94
@Monchich94 Жыл бұрын
@@fyfyi6053 nah
@swatgamerslynx6380
@swatgamerslynx6380 Жыл бұрын
Lmao 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@somedandy7694
@somedandy7694 4 жыл бұрын
"What did Emperor Palpatine use his power for? What does the Empire stand for?" That's what the sequel series should have answered: Palpatine building the Death Star to thwart a greater foe - something that even the Sith feared.
@wcapewell3089
@wcapewell3089 2 жыл бұрын
in legends, im pretty sure he had the deathstar made to handle the coming threat of the yuuzhan vong.
@somedandy7694
@somedandy7694 2 жыл бұрын
@@wcapewell3089 Wouldn't that have been incredible as a trilogy? Oh, what might have been!
@negativeiqpoints396
@negativeiqpoints396 Жыл бұрын
Oooo! That's an interesting idea! I myself have tried imagining my own little sequel trilogy and I never thought about that
@somedandy7694
@somedandy7694 Жыл бұрын
@@negativeiqpoints396 I think you'd love this: it's a fun bit of theoretical tech even greater than the Death Star/Star Killer: the Sun-Thruster! It's a Jupiter-sized device that uses magnetic repulsion to nudge a star and turn its solar system into an inter-galactic spacecraft! Look up "Kurzgesagt Sun Thruster" and you'll find it. A guy wrote his doctoral thesis on the theory just to see it made as one of their cartoons: because the Internet makes reality even cooler than Hollywood garbage! Watch that video and imagine one of THOSE in a Star Wars series!
@adagatiyascullawl3458
@adagatiyascullawl3458 6 жыл бұрын
You treated the first order and empire as the same thing, but they are actually quite different
@akessel92train
@akessel92train 6 жыл бұрын
Mekhi Scullawl well mostly
@CassDaMan1138
@CassDaMan1138 6 жыл бұрын
Mekhi Scullawl the Empire is Nazi Germany while the First Order is North Korea but an actual threat.
@SYLOStarWars
@SYLOStarWars 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, which made this video a little difficult to watch.
@אנונימיתאנונימי
@אנונימיתאנונימי 6 жыл бұрын
Death Trooper The Empire is awesome and led by Palptine, the First order are just empire wanne be
@pablodelatorregalvez4260
@pablodelatorregalvez4260 6 жыл бұрын
Their ideology is quite similar.
@zoron8952
@zoron8952 7 жыл бұрын
The first order isn't the empire. Its just a bunch of remnants from the military that reformed into their own version.
@nicoherman9973
@nicoherman9973 6 жыл бұрын
Z Man the first order was a remnance PLANNED by Palpatine which is the ruler of the empire so technically it's pretty much the same
@darthnihilus6396
@darthnihilus6396 6 жыл бұрын
Nico Herman, Palpatine never had intentions to keep empire after his death. He even had developed an operation "Cinder" which is the destruction of major imperial planets so that his power could not be seized by any other organization.
@gibbs615
@gibbs615 6 жыл бұрын
Zoron Empire - First Order...THEY'RE ALL THE SAME!!!😣
@blakecacini8016
@blakecacini8016 5 жыл бұрын
@@gibbs615 the first order stole children, the Empire didn't. The Empire was planned to exist by Palpatine (obviously) but he did not plan the first order's existence.
@gibbs615
@gibbs615 5 жыл бұрын
@@blakecacini8016 Doesn't matter, the empire was nothing but EVIL as its always been just as the first order is too!
@specialagent1868
@specialagent1868 7 жыл бұрын
FTR: a popular conspiracy theory is that Palatine received a vision of an invasion by an extra-galactic threat, the Yungzen-Vong and had focused on militarizing the galaxy in order to combat the threat. Given they have organic ships the size of small planets, the theory was the Death Star was meant to be a tool to kill their ships in large numbers to drive off the invasion.
@VictimOfChanges1776
@VictimOfChanges1776 7 жыл бұрын
In the EU this is pretty clear. Literally every super weapon created by the Empire and developed under the reign of Palpatine ends up having a pretty clear purpose to combat some aspect of the Vong and defend the galaxy--Death Star, Galaxy Gun, Dark Troopers, etc. The Emperor is literally the savior of the galaxy and did nothing wrong.
@mgggfggg3541
@mgggfggg3541 7 жыл бұрын
+Victim of Changes xxxxx
@BattleshipAgincourt
@BattleshipAgincourt 7 жыл бұрын
All that happened long after the Original series was written. That's taking an old plot point and retrofitting something new. Now in the case of the KOTOR story line which lead to the yet unwritten The Old Republic plot, they had a clearly-defined set of motives & actions based on what was to come. There is nothing to suggest that Palpatine had any intention of combating some 'greater threat' in any of the older content. EDIT: Also Han had mentioned one of the serious flaws of the Empire was to focus too much time and effort into Superweapons which ultimately blew up in their face. If the Rebels could destroy the Death Stars & Galaxy Gun, why assume the Vong couldn't in turn?
@daniels7907
@daniels7907 7 жыл бұрын
+Victim of Changes - That was all stuff in non-canon novels that George Lucas freely admitted to not even bothering to read, much less integrate into his films. So it is basically fan fiction.
@tylerdunn9683
@tylerdunn9683 6 жыл бұрын
Daniel S who gives a shit what Lucas says he's a greedy fucktwit who never made star wars
@JinzoTK
@JinzoTK 6 жыл бұрын
I would like to point out The First Order and The Galactic Empire are not the same thing. So you can't use Force Awakens.
@khangminhlo2886
@khangminhlo2886 4 жыл бұрын
Sir_ Deadlock well the first order was inspired by the empire
@exxpomarkerman8780
@exxpomarkerman8780 4 жыл бұрын
And episode 9 disproves that
@JinzoTK
@JinzoTK 4 жыл бұрын
@@exxpomarkerman8780 Now I don't remember this video but Episode 9 didn't disprove that the First Order and The Galactic Empire were not the same thing. Otherwise, why did they merge and become... the final order. Why did Kylo go to kill Creamy sheev before joining him. Why did some in the First order question the fleet Palp was giving them. Now I know the sequel trilogy uses the First order and the Empire interchangeable but that's just lazy writing.
@exxpomarkerman8780
@exxpomarkerman8780 4 жыл бұрын
Sir_ Deadlock well the whole thing was planned by palpatine so it was just basically empire 2 and the final order is just and upgrade
@JinzoTK
@JinzoTK 4 жыл бұрын
@@exxpomarkerman8780 Palpatine being behind both doesn't make them the same thing. Palpatine was also behind the clone wars but the republic and federation weren't the same thing. Also ,The empire governed. The first order didn't.
@ChrisParrishOutdoors
@ChrisParrishOutdoors 6 жыл бұрын
Finn was a conscript of the First Order. The Empire had a voluntary military or at least a voluntary Navy. Luke was considering applying to the Imperial Academy and joining the Imperial Navy in a New Hope.
@MediaZealot
@MediaZealot 7 жыл бұрын
There are a load of canon materials which show the tyranny of the empire, including genocide, ecological disasters, bioweapons etc. Not to mention Alderaan was a planet of 'normal' empire citizens, all of which were killed for crimes committed by a handful of people. I actually have a video coming up where I take a slightly different spin; that the empire's manner of rule assures rebellion and its own eventual destruction. I like the angle of this video though, it's an avenue worth exploring :)
@Nostripe361
@Nostripe361 7 жыл бұрын
That is true but it is a problem that the movies themselves never really brought this up. Other than Alderaan there really much shown about the evils of the empire. I mean even the first movie had slavery so its not like the republic was super and amazing.
@NA-ck6cz
@NA-ck6cz 7 жыл бұрын
Media Zealot Don't forget slavery and occupation of neutral planets
@lucasgreene1635
@lucasgreene1635 7 жыл бұрын
Most of this isn't present in the films, and that is the crux of the problem. And, while none of the EU was was officially recognized as canon (therefore shouldn't really be considered canon by anyone) under the new MO of Disney, only the films are canon. So you disregard everything else. The entire point is: they needed to show why there was a rebellion in the first place. They only really show the conflict between the Empire and the Rebels, and never talk about *the why*. I mean, as a student of history, I'm aware of the reasons of a centralized Government (and a knowledge of geopolitics) poses. No one wants to be ruled by a centralized authority no where near them. But the films don't mention ANY REASON for the rebellion to exist other than the removal of democracy in episode 3. The rest is the Empire reacting to the rebellion, so when you're looking over the shoulder of Rebellion characters you're supposed to emphasize with them.
@daniels7907
@daniels7907 7 жыл бұрын
Tarkin's fondness for blowing things up, and the fact that he does so without anyone restraining him, demonstrates exactly what is wrong with the Empire. It is an oligarchy of military-political elites who do what they want without restriction. So yes, it is a system doomed to upheaval and eventual breakdown because (outside of the old EU) all power and authority flows from the Emperor, who is not immortal, rather than from rule of law. The *system* is designed to benefit individuals at the top of the social order only.
@lincolnnewell8633
@lincolnnewell8633 7 жыл бұрын
361 4 was the first
@imperialofficer1324
@imperialofficer1324 6 жыл бұрын
The last one was First Order not Empire
@jasonhitchcock8911
@jasonhitchcock8911 5 жыл бұрын
By the way, love your Imperial logo. It's like a snow flake
@exxpomarkerman8780
@exxpomarkerman8780 4 жыл бұрын
Now because of episode 9, that’s not true
@jacob414
@jacob414 4 жыл бұрын
Imperial Officer Hello
@MarioFanaticXV
@MarioFanaticXV 7 жыл бұрын
The EU went into so much more detail on the sorts of questions you're asking. While little if any of this effects Disney's canon, here's a few things of note: 1) The empire brought slavery back to the galaxy at large. It was outlawed for thousnads of years in the Old Republic- mind you, there were places in the galaxy with slavery, but the republic (and the empire) never controlled the entire galaxy- they were just the largest government of their time period. In particular, large numbers of wookiees were enslaved to work on the first Death Star due to the fact they were far stronger than most other intelligent species in the galaxy. 2) Weapon bans. While citizens were not entirely banned from owning weapons, military grade weapons were illegal for the average citizen to own. In particular, Han's DL-44 was illegal specifically because it was capable of penetrating storm troooper armor. 3) Targeting civilians. The Death Star in and of itself wouldn't be something that's evil. It's the Star Wars equivalent of nuclear weapons: While it certainly was abused, if they had limited its use to heavily entrenched military targets, it would have been justifiable. 4) In the EU, the Rebel Alliance's formal name is "The Alliance to Restore the Republic". This makes it far more clear what their intentions are: To return to a form of representative government where each planet gets a say in the matters of law and politics. 5) The CIS (Confederacy of Independent Systems, the ones that controlled the droid armies in Episodes II and III) was not actually evil. They were pawns of Palpatine manipulated into orchestrating his rise to power- which the Old Republic was equally guilty of. Were there evil people amongst them? Certainly; but let's not forget that the Republic Navy had Tarkin, Palpatine, Thrawn, Jerec, and others that were certainly evil.
@bastobasto4866
@bastobasto4866 7 жыл бұрын
In the 3 you know that, untentionnaly or not, rebels still killed civilians ...
@pastelnuclear7356
@pastelnuclear7356 7 жыл бұрын
1) the Republic never gave a shit to much of the galaxy. not excusing the empire for that but freeing slaves didn't seem standard procedure for the republic, even when they had a chance (such as a standing clone army and propaganda to do it). Wasn't much of an issue to the Jedi too... 2) there were LOTS of weapon bans under the republic, such as battle droids, war droids, some weaponry... and seeing how much random scum (such as in Tatooine's bars) has pistols and other equipment, doesn't sound the Empire is stripping EVERYONE of their weapons. Even if it did, it would make sense given that the Republic was typically against a standing galactic-wide army (see how the New Republic demilitarized themselves??) relying instead on local forces, diplomacy and the Jedi to settle down issues. without the Jedi, who would do the job? Also Han Solo was first and foremost a criminal, even if he was living under Republic law. unless smuggling was... legal back then. :) 3) Now this make sense. It's their Hiroshima/Nagasaki. supposedly done to "prevent casualties" on the imperial side by instilling fear onto their enemies. It backfired because people there have more backbone to revolt than in our real world it seems. 4) By itself does not make them the good guys. there a lot of "liberation" movements and armies around this world that want the opposite. Most of it was run by people who disliked Palpatine and his rule, rather than the structure that allowed the Republic to rot itself. but lets all blame the Sith, not the system ya?? blaming a person won't change all the failures that allowed him to come into power.5) As a matter of fact, I do prefer the CIS over the Rebels. At least they KNEW the Republic needed to go the way of the dodo and would ensure it by seceding themselves. They're depicted as greedy and their interest in seceding would tend to that, but in reality this doesn't make them 'evil', since they had their points, including wanting to have a bigger say in the Republic, which was denied. Since no one heard their voices, they decided to separate. which was met with... lets see... military FORCE by the Republic. And who would ensure the Rebels would do different to would-be separatists, or some weird imperial-following planet, or even the First Order [before they shot first of course]???
@daniels7907
@daniels7907 7 жыл бұрын
+Pastel Nuclear - The Republic was obviously far from perfect. But, ironically, it could be considered more libertarian than either the Empire (a monarchy/oligarchy) or the CIS (a plutocracy). You also misrepresent the Clone Wars, as it was the Separatists who set the precedent that this was to be a military conflict as far back as the Trade Federation's attempt to annex Naboo by military force! What kind of society do you think the CIS would have if their philosophy is that megacorps with private armies should be allowed to "negotiate" treaties at gunpoint? In contrast, you have the Old Republic (demilitarized until the Separatists were revealed to have a massive droid army) and the Empire (all private citizens and businesses expected to serve the needs of the military regime). The Republic is obviously not ideal, but it is by far the best out of the three. It was also the *only* one of the three to offer the democratic possibility of changing things in the long-term. In the Empire, dissent against the ruling junta would get you either summarily executed or thrown into a labor camp. Among the Separatists, more "creative" punishments (e.g. execution by alien monster in an arena for sport) were practiced by the ruling elite. You might also consider that the Republic was less-centralized than it seems. The idyllic lifestyle of Naboo was a function of a local government able to thrive within a federal system that was, perhaps ironically, so large that it could not micromanage its planets. Some system governments obviously did better at this than others. But *all* of them were bound by basic ethics laws such as prohibition of slavery Republic-wide. The most genuinely libertarian worlds seen would be places like Tatooine and Jakku, where there is virtually no government dictating peoples' lives, but at the same time those people are at the mercy of anybody better armed than they are and there is no rule of law. Even property ownership is at the whim of powerful figures like Jabba the Hutt.
@knightmoritz1895
@knightmoritz1895 7 жыл бұрын
1. Why slavery is bad? Not everyone is equal. Saying that is just being communist. Some races are superior to others. 2. It's only natural that military grade weapons are restricted for civilians on our planet :) Imagine an idiot getting his hands on AT-4 missile launcher. Or M1 Abrams tank. 3. Don't commit crimes against the empire? It's only that simple. Alderaan victims' blood is on REBEL hands. Let's imagine that a force of dirty scoundrels invades your private archive, destroys two star destroyers and many fighters. Entire scarif battle took about Million lives, including those on the planet. And billions of credits in raw data, projects and basically knowledge. It's like burning the Alexandria library. It's only fair to destroy Alderaan - there is high chance that you can kill some rebels or rebel sympathizers in the process. 4. If each planets gets a say in matters of law, you have a shitshow. There are 100 billion (around) planets in this galaxy. Theirs could have even more. Democracy is not good! Because if two systems would lobby against one particular system, they outvote them, and they have 2x more resources to convince other systems than that singular system. No, One law for all. you accept or gtfo to the outer rim to live among the trash. 5. Define evil/good. There's no such thing.
@esotericegoism7536
@esotericegoism7536 6 жыл бұрын
>Thrawn >Evil He did what had to be done for the greater good.
@EpaminondastheGreat
@EpaminondastheGreat 6 жыл бұрын
About Alderaan I would really like to point out that is was Grand Moff Tarkin's to destroy the planet, not the Emperor's. It might surprise you but Palpatine had given great authority to Tarkin due to his sheer trust on him, but when he heard about Alderaan, he was furious. Not because he cared about the death of trillions, but because politically it was a stupid move. Alderaan belonged to the Core Worlds which were rich, heavily populated and influential to Galactic politics. What is worst is that the Core Worlds were loyal supporters of the Imperial regime, at least its vast majority and most of the Rebel activity existed mainly in the Outer Rim, which suffered the real consequences of the Empire's policies. What Tarkin therefore achieved, was to destroy a planet which belonged to the most loyal oversector, which was respected, prosperous, greatly populated and whose destruction only bolstered support for the Alliance which did not suffer any real damage apart from the death of Senator Organa. It is suggested that if Tarkin had not perished in the Death Star, he would have been in trouble with the Emperor, just like Vader was.
@overlord4576
@overlord4576 6 жыл бұрын
i didn't know about this, would you mind telling me where you found this out?
@amorencinteroph3428
@amorencinteroph3428 5 жыл бұрын
Then there was what he did to the Engineer of the Death Star for its crippling design flaw. You can certainly be a lot more horrendous when you can clone people and put their spirit back into them to kill them again until you finally get bored.
@gibbs615
@gibbs615 4 жыл бұрын
Yes Tarkin was a loose cannon but it's not like Palpatine was any better cause you know he was still an evil sith lord
@GalacticOutlaw
@GalacticOutlaw 6 жыл бұрын
The first order enslaved people to become storm troopers. The galactic empire had no slave storm troopers. The strugle for the citizens was mostly in the outer rim, which is already hard to controll because of the crime syndicates. The lives of people in the galactic core, the midrim, and the colonial ring were much better.
@gibbs615
@gibbs615 4 жыл бұрын
Those people in the inner rim were just so misinformed about the damn empire
@stryletz
@stryletz 6 жыл бұрын
"Then they are the true heroes"... except by the time of TFA the New Republic has had around 30 years to change things yet we still see slavery and destitution on Jakku and a bunch of smugglers still running around the place (Han must be doing pretty good business to afford that giant ship he picked up the Falcon in). And the slavery isn't just isolated to some backwater planet as we see more examples of it on Canto Bite on Cantonica, which may have been in the Outer Rim but was an important place of commerce. It seems to me the Rebellion hadn't done much after driving out the Imperial remnant aside from changing banners and dismantling their army. Hell, from available canon material it seems the New Republic was just corrupt and ineffectual, never quite reclaiming the former glory of the Galactic Republic. Sure, there were some good people and the odds of not being forced choked because of a bad performance review were a lot better, but they hadn't really changed anything. The galaxy was just as shitty under the Empire's rule, if less authoritarian.
@pacoramon9468
@pacoramon9468 4 жыл бұрын
New Republic was just a planet in TFA, we never see them again in the triology.
@AeneasGemini
@AeneasGemini 4 жыл бұрын
@@pacoramon9468 It wasn't just a planet, it was clearly a system of multiple wealthy worlds. Several worlds get destroyed by the superweapon, and all of them look as built up as Coruscant.
@dutchmansmine9053
@dutchmansmine9053 3 жыл бұрын
@@AeneasGemini despite the fact that, ironically, none of them are
@dutchmansmine9053
@dutchmansmine9053 3 жыл бұрын
JJ really failed to do anything worthwhile with the republic. The original lore did much better.
@einarmar7445
@einarmar7445 7 жыл бұрын
1. the first order is not the empire 2. alien discrimination is not okay, Won't somebody think about the harch?
@kjullthedemon
@kjullthedemon 6 жыл бұрын
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@Felipe03000
@Felipe03000 6 жыл бұрын
Thomas, this is GOLD. There is a stellaris edit, check it out.
@emperordalek102
@emperordalek102 6 жыл бұрын
Um the first order counts as the galactic empire
@wellwellwelllookwhowehaveh7871
@wellwellwelllookwhowehaveh7871 6 жыл бұрын
Peace-mongering, alien-loving hippie SUPPORT OUR GALACTIC EMPIRE!
@fly672
@fly672 6 жыл бұрын
Alien discrimination is basicly the same as racism
@governm3nt697
@governm3nt697 7 жыл бұрын
Did he ban books and restrict speech? YES HE DID
@authoritarianleftist3095
@authoritarianleftist3095 6 жыл бұрын
who gives a fuck about Muh Free Speech? Nazis probably do lol.
@ronaldwhitman1377
@ronaldwhitman1377 6 жыл бұрын
Authoritarian Leftist i hope you're fucking joking
@authoritarianleftist3095
@authoritarianleftist3095 6 жыл бұрын
I'm serious, Nazis always talk about how those jewish bolshevik jews are out to get them and how to love free speech.
@authoritarianleftist3095
@authoritarianleftist3095 6 жыл бұрын
if you think nazis liked free speech then you're in denial.
@authoritarianleftist3095
@authoritarianleftist3095 6 жыл бұрын
why am I retarded?
@Leto2ndAtreides
@Leto2ndAtreides 6 жыл бұрын
Man... Train an idiot from childhood to be a warrior, and he not only makes a choice to run away... He can't even run or fire a gun properly. Those instructors are just dismal.
@abhishekdev258
@abhishekdev258 2 жыл бұрын
That smuggling point was brilliant along with the non-existence of commerce as a sign of heavy taxation.
@lucasgreene1635
@lucasgreene1635 7 жыл бұрын
The Galatic Empire isn't the ultimate depiction of Tyranny in popular culture. The Nazi's are. "Restrictions on resources make people poor" Except that we see under the Republic much of the poverty levels are identical in the same star systems. For instance, Tatooine, which is essentially is run by the crime cabal of the Hutts, is a shit hole. Under the Empire, we only know of Jabba the Hutt, and while crime is rampant there, Imperial Forces are only around to find the Droids. Aside from that, life appears to be going on as business as usual.
@daniels7907
@daniels7907 7 жыл бұрын
That was because Tatooine was a poor planet with little resources. Why would the Empire (or either Republic) commit a permanent military presence to a system that would bring in little to no revenue for the state? Especially when the locals were not very interested in belonging to a larger space nation? Of course, the dark side of this libertarian existence was that they ended up under the arbitrary rulership of organized crime, because absent any other government the Hutts naturally decide to take control and can do so simply by virtue of firepower. For example, Jabba's sail barge was armed at least partly because his minions were prone to taking it out on raids of the outlying settlements.
@mrblank-zh1xy
@mrblank-zh1xy 4 жыл бұрын
The Republic is depicted in KOTOR as its own kind of tyranny.
@notpigeonnuwu5158
@notpigeonnuwu5158 5 ай бұрын
The republic and empire are not perfect systems, but the republic allows you to at least voice your opinion on a platform where you have a slim chance of being heard by those who actually care
@SacrumImperiumRomanum
@SacrumImperiumRomanum 7 жыл бұрын
There was a deleted scene from a new hope which had Luke talking with his friends and their motives joining the rebels were because of extortion of landowners.
@daniels7907
@daniels7907 6 жыл бұрын
And the summary execution thereof by Imperial troops. Owen and Beru had done nothing illegal that they knew about, but like the Jawas they were slaughtered on their own property simply because they might have come into contact with classified Imperial materials.
@daniels7907
@daniels7907 5 жыл бұрын
@midgetydeath - When the topic is whether or not the Empire was evil, you might first ask yourself the question: *why did they need a planet-destroying superweapon in the first place?* The answer was: *to use on their own civilian population as a means of enforcing absolute obedience to the state!* Which is pretty darned evil, right? Even Donald Trump isn't threatening to nuke California just because he'll never get their Electoral College votes! But Palpatine fully intended to commit genocide on any world that angered him!
@ThatGuyKh1
@ThatGuyKh1 5 жыл бұрын
midgetydeath there’s a deleted scene in episode 3 where today arrives in dagaboh and yet even though it’s deleted that’s still where he ends up
@daniels7907
@daniels7907 5 жыл бұрын
@@ThatGuyKh1 - They do have a point though. I think that Lucas decided on the less-developed Tatooine that we ended up seeing onscreen. Where the Lars farm, for example, had no neighbors in sight and Luke's explicit motive for leaving was simply a desire to go someplace less boring. Which is not to say that the Empire probably wasn't extorting landowners in unimaginable numbers across the vast territory that it held. They just probably weren't doing it on Tatooine where the effort wouldn't produce much return on investment. That said, I do recall a *very* early (mid-80's) Star Wars guidebook mentioning that *Jabba* would allow his thugs to take his sail barge out to raid settlements.
@Knightmessenger
@Knightmessenger 4 жыл бұрын
@midgetydeath it was deleted to make the movie better and hopefully turn a better result at the box office. It's still in the comic though which apparently made some people think they saw a version in theaters with those scenes in.
@petrmaly9087
@petrmaly9087 6 жыл бұрын
In the last movie, the rebels count couple dozen individuals on one old, rusty smugglers ship, who send signals all over the galaxy and not a single person cares to help them. The First Order managed not only to restore Imperial style into politics, after the Empire was defeated (clearly showing, that people wanted the Empire back) but also build much better military.
@Knightmessenger
@Knightmessenger 4 жыл бұрын
the first order didn't show that people wanted the empire back. It shows that Disney wanted the Empire back because they couldn't come up with original storyline and thought they couldn't do anything that was thematically similar to the prequels.
@markparkinson6947
@markparkinson6947 4 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of Werner Herzog's character in the Mandalorian saying that the Empire provides peace to every system it touches.
@jamesstaggs4160
@jamesstaggs4160 5 жыл бұрын
There was the Empire's anti-alien policy, or really their anti-non human policy. There was also the enslavement of the wookies. I also imagine that they used their military might quite freely, putting down any resistance or rebellion with military force. The dissolution of the Galactic Senate also likely rubbed systems the wrong way, as I imagine they would have human governors appointed rather than whatever race may happen to be the dominant species in the system. You also mentioned smuggling, which means they were restrictive in regards to their trade policies. All of this combined would likely inspire a rebellion like we saw.
@stamis22
@stamis22 7 жыл бұрын
Umm force awakens is the first order, not empire, yes it came out of the empire but it is different, also storm troopers were recruited, or enlisted in the empire (remember Luke was going to go to "the academy" to be a pilot, and we can assume they would be the imperial academy, meaning he would voluntarily join...and then defect but that's beside the point)and kidnapped is the first order
@a.morphous66
@a.morphous66 6 жыл бұрын
The Imperial Army and Navy are made up of soldiers who joined entirely by choice. They’re all volunteers and enlisted men and women.
@guardingdark2860
@guardingdark2860 7 жыл бұрын
Oh I dunno. The slavery, genocide, corruption, and military-police brutality on a galactic scale don't sound very good to me.
@Cdr2002
@Cdr2002 6 жыл бұрын
Please explain this to some of your fellow commenters
@gibbs615
@gibbs615 6 жыл бұрын
Bel-Shamharoth That's cause it wasn't!
@Mkhan-cw9rx
@Mkhan-cw9rx 5 жыл бұрын
Bel-Shamharoth those same issues were there in the republic anikan in point
@blakecacini8016
@blakecacini8016 5 жыл бұрын
You think the re0ublic wasn't corrupt? Clones were practically slaves. And the republic has committed mass genocide before.
@gibbs615
@gibbs615 4 жыл бұрын
@@blakecacini8016 The republic wasn't perfect but it was a lot better before that fucking Palpatine turned it into something EVIL!
@UnchainedEruption
@UnchainedEruption 7 жыл бұрын
I hate videos that play Devil's Advocate for the sake of a clickbaity title...and then present poor arguments for the side they're trying to defend.
@Eunacis
@Eunacis 6 жыл бұрын
Less for clickbait and more for Capitalism uber alles.
@kaiserproductions1278
@kaiserproductions1278 5 жыл бұрын
I've always wanted to live under the empire, I've always supported the regime. Even tho it's fictional
@wongtim1894
@wongtim1894 3 жыл бұрын
What if, just hear me on this... The empire was actually the good guys, but the story was told by the rebel?
@Charlie94781
@Charlie94781 2 жыл бұрын
The viewer is bombarded with images of rebels acting all little goody two shoes which is a hallmark of propaganda
@GeorgePennellMartin
@GeorgePennellMartin 6 жыл бұрын
If you want to understand the Galactic Empire you just need to watch CGP Grey's excellent Rules for Rulers series.
@javajackson9943
@javajackson9943 7 жыл бұрын
But ordinary citizens were on those planets...and they died...for no reason...
@Daniel_Abraham1099
@Daniel_Abraham1099 6 жыл бұрын
Java Jackson Hiroshima...Nagasaki ...
@oreocooper2504
@oreocooper2504 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah when they blow up planets they are killing about 4.5 ,million people
@Daniel_Abraham1099
@Daniel_Abraham1099 6 жыл бұрын
Oreo Cooper everything is on a bigger scale in the Star Wars universe. The reasoning behind blowing up a planet that supports the rebels is not fully explained. They could have been supplying weapons or providing troops. If that happens today we would probably bomb them on a smaller scale.
@SCIFIguy64
@SCIFIguy64 6 жыл бұрын
Well, they protected terrorists.
@jorrogboe
@jorrogboe 6 жыл бұрын
Java Jackson it’s called war. Innocent people die. Just as many people died on the Death Star. The rebels are terrorists.
@JTMC93
@JTMC93 6 жыл бұрын
Star Wars Rebels did somewhat expand this as does a lot of other New Canon content. Though Legacy Canon did introduce a unique spin in the Yuuzhan Vong storyline. That is the Empire was building their fleet and death stars to fight the Yuuzhan Vong who literally used Planets in place of ships.
@josepheastham9717
@josepheastham9717 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, he nationalized major industries. "What good is all your uncle's work if it's taken over by the Empire?...You know they're starting to nationalize commerce in the central systems...it won't be long before your uncle is merely a tenant, slaving for the greater glory of the Empire." ―Biggs Darklighter starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperialization/Legends
@ImperialsExplained
@ImperialsExplained 3 жыл бұрын
Great content and interesting subject 👍 Apart from Empire's policy of high human culture and enslaving alien species, the Empire provided peace, security, prosperity, and order to the galaxy. To me - the Rebels were simply a band of terrorists who disrupted a chance to bring real order. The Death Star was built to enforce order and not necessarily to keep blowing up planets when they felt like it. The Rebels simply provoked the Empire to act against them. After the battle of Endor and the fall of imperial rule, the galaxy fell into lawlessness and the New Republic struggled to maintain order, especially in the outer rim.
@morscoronam3779
@morscoronam3779 6 жыл бұрын
4:48 Taking property by force. 😝 I see what you did there.
@HouseClarkzonian
@HouseClarkzonian 6 жыл бұрын
The First Order aren't even the Empire, I don't even think they're remnants of it.
@dutchmansmine9053
@dutchmansmine9053 3 жыл бұрын
A reliable source would like to inform you that your comment aged like milk.
@allsuper9268
@allsuper9268 2 жыл бұрын
Their is also the racism thing the empire enslaved entire species like the Wookiee’s and Twi’lek while committing genocide against entire species like the Lasat and the Geonosians.
@gibbs615
@gibbs615 2 жыл бұрын
EXACTLY! Imperials were just the worst.
@allsuper9268
@allsuper9268 2 жыл бұрын
@@gibbs615 that’s the truth!!!
@gibbs615
@gibbs615 2 жыл бұрын
@@allsuper9268 Right on!
@Raz.C
@Raz.C 3 жыл бұрын
Ok, there's a few things wrong with this video, a few assumptions that have been made that are unwarranted. 1) Tatooine isn't really part of the Empire. The Empire may have a few military or economic interests there, but the planet itself is largely self governed. That's why Jabba the Hut is able to live and operate his organisation there. 2) The ONLY smuggler we're aware of is Han Solo. As established in the first point, he's smuggling things into/ out of a NON-Imperial system, so in reality, we have NO IDEA about the restrictiveness of Imperial systems. 3) Star Wars Rogue One shows Imperial Labour Camps. Immediately, people are going to think of the old Soviet Union and the Gulags there, but honestly, it's no different to the USA. America is the ONLY advanced nation on earth where slavery is still permitted (the 13th amendment permits slavery as punishment for crimes). 4) The Empire might take assets from private individuals or corporations, without compensating them, or charging them with any crimes, but that's no different to Civil Asset Forfeiture in the USA, or the more kindly version known as Eminent Domain. 5) As others have pointed out, the Imperial forces were professional soldiers, not stolen conscripts. The First Order was the entity that used forced conscription of children. In point of fact, I don't see the Empire doing anything that the USA hasn't done to it's own people, or to Japan in WWII, or to Iraq or to Afghanistan (with the exception of destroying a planet). Admittedly, no one in the developed world would want to live in america (except for americans, of course). And admittedly, most of the world (developed AND undeveloped) sees the USA as an Evil Empire. But for some reason, everyone agrees that The Galactic Empire is a vile and evil thing that people would never allow to ever happen... Honestly, I don't see what's so bad about the Galactic Empire, considering that it's really no different to the USA. Perhaps George Lucas was a secret communist?
@elcaponeholyemperorofnj1169
@elcaponeholyemperorofnj1169 2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact, the rebellion actually started in the outer rim, an area overrun by low life gangs & raiders.
@marcelosilveira2276
@marcelosilveira2276 6 жыл бұрын
well, Vader did force his wishes upon Bespin, reason why Lando changed sides... HOWEVER it is the FIRST ORDER, not the empire that conscripts. The Empire works on a recruitment bases, reason why we never see the core planets in the movies, most of them are fervorous supporters of the empire, with lots of people enlisting out of their free will.
@sdcard7129
@sdcard7129 6 жыл бұрын
The first ordered kidnapped kids for soldiers, the empire didn't, people applied and joined the empire willingly because they thought it was the right thing to do, to serve their government and society. The first order is truly totalitarian, but the empire was at least a bit less strict, at least in the right terms.
@devomc1038
@devomc1038 6 жыл бұрын
Well, in the Disney Canon or the New Canon this really largely isn't explained, but in Legends/Expanded Universe or the Old Canon it actually is well explained. But we have to remember that the EU is still far larger than the New Canon, so it explains many more things. Maybe some day the New Canon will grow to such size. I hope so.
@Ando1428
@Ando1428 5 жыл бұрын
Palpatine doesnt dissolve the senate til 20 years after he kills the jedi. But a few weeks after his death star was to be completed after that vader and him were looking for the way to become immortal.
@colemills6692
@colemills6692 6 жыл бұрын
One thing that was glossed over in this video, though I dont think intentionaly, is just how inefectual a dictorship is at maintaining society on local levels when your talking about a large civilization. Star Wars being a galaxy spanning empire, it becomes pretty easy to understand that the issues tha beset some random farmers on Tatooine, let's say, will go completely unoticed by the governement when the government consists of one dude and his giant military. One positive about a dictatorship is in times of war the leadership can act quikly and decicively because they do not have a senate to answere to, however this backfires on the citicenry when no outside threats exist.
@jimmyz2684
@jimmyz2684 7 жыл бұрын
People on Alderaan WERE ordinary citizens, who had nothing to do with the Jedi or Sith other than Leia being from there.
@r.m.224
@r.m.224 6 жыл бұрын
Jimmy Zhao they were helping the rebels...
@raveshaw6161
@raveshaw6161 6 жыл бұрын
watch Rogue One its clearly stated that Bail Organa was declaring Alderaan into open Rebellion.
@Cdr2002
@Cdr2002 6 жыл бұрын
Still innocent lives
@Daniel_Abraham1099
@Daniel_Abraham1099 6 жыл бұрын
Carlos D Rodriguez Nagasaki and Hiroshima...
@Fulllife3.2
@Fulllife3.2 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah,that totally warrants the destruction OF THE ENTIRE PLANET! The empire could have just assassinated Organa and be done with it.
@englishpolishmememan8892
@englishpolishmememan8892 7 жыл бұрын
While there are many good arguments for why the Empire in Star Wars is evil there' just one thing, all that was mentioned in the video could only mainly be applied to the disney canon of Star Wars, if you delve deeper into what is now considered "Legends" or "Expanded Universe" You'd find more reasons to support the notion that the Galactic Empire is just, considering everything in Star Wars from "Legends" you find that the actual reason for Palpatine building the two death stars wasn't entirely intended for blowing up planets but rather fighting against a alien race that existed in Legends called the Yuuzong Vong (I think that's how it's spelled anyway), Palpatine felt great dark force energy focused in what the Star Wars galaxy considers the "Unknown/Deep" regions of space, while it is true Palpatine in both canon and legends that Palpatine was in both a power hungry sociopath and likely also did invest in the creation of both death stars to enforce the will of the galactic empire on the many systems it controlled. But other than that you'd for the most part find things to be pretty (about as one could expect for a galactic wide empire) standard, there were imperial officers of whom did extort their power often and did use it against common citizens but there were also imperials of whom tried to put their best efforts forward in making the empire a better place. At least this is in legends, sadly disney has yet to expand on such things in their canon of Star Wars and I doubt they will.
@Sligneris
@Sligneris 7 жыл бұрын
Vong are non-canon, and were also a terrible mistake. Palpatine was a power-hungry megalomaniac. There's no need to present his actions as "justified", and doing so honestly seems to go against his intended characterization.
@daniels7907
@daniels7907 7 жыл бұрын
I know fans like to bring up things from the Expanded Universe. But George Lucas himself openly admitted that he didn't even bother to read those books and he did not bother to make his canon align with EU canon. So the Vong are basically just so much fan fiction.
@aegidius_s
@aegidius_s 6 жыл бұрын
EnglishPolish Mememan So blowing up alderan and a few other planets killing up words in the hundreds of trillions helped them fight the vong ?
@MysterClark
@MysterClark 6 жыл бұрын
I don't know where people keep getting this idea that EU was canon until Disney came by. I've been a Star Wars nerd since the 80's and never once heard that the novels and comics were all accepted as canon. If they were, I'd buy them all and read every bit of them. I treat them as fun stories but not what actually happened. They were always legends to me.
@tylerdunn9683
@tylerdunn9683 6 жыл бұрын
Daniel S who gives a s*** what George Lucas says he's Nothing More theif
@caytlinnickole2046
@caytlinnickole2046 7 жыл бұрын
Uhhm the empire destroyed an entire planet full of people. Does that count as 'bad'?
@Cdr2002
@Cdr2002 6 жыл бұрын
Yes it’s an undeniably evil act
@TheHaters112
@TheHaters112 6 жыл бұрын
America destroyed and killed 2 cities worth of innocent civilians Is America bad? The question is not just black and white.
@hynjus001
@hynjus001 6 жыл бұрын
A planet is just an unnoticeable blip in a galaxy. All governments occasionally perform some massacre but the video is asking about daily life on average.
@jorrogboe
@jorrogboe 6 жыл бұрын
Caytlin Shermenti And the rebels blew up an entire base full of people? Is that bad?
@miles2378
@miles2378 6 жыл бұрын
fashyguy25 are the lifes of 1.5 million emperial service members more important than the hundreds of million of people the death star would have destroyed?
@rustyblade9400
@rustyblade9400 6 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure they told us what happened in episode 1 The republic raised taxes unbelievably high so the trade federation (the good guys) rebelled, then the rest of the CIS joined with them (the rest were bad guys imo) and attempted to rebel against the republic, which was ultimately ruled by the same man who ruled the empire So, what im saying is, the laws enacted in episode 1 that restricted free trade most likely carried over into 4, 5, and 6, i imagine what the rebels are fighting for isnt too far off from what the CIS fought for
@mider9996
@mider9996 6 жыл бұрын
Also in novels like Thrawn he says most planets were peaceful, there was no slavery unless you were a criminal, they fought against piracy etc
@roban2799
@roban2799 6 жыл бұрын
The Empire and the First Order is not the same thing
@stephenduran8026
@stephenduran8026 6 жыл бұрын
Okay so here’s the thing, the empire seems to only do all these bad things to stop the rebels. Maybe if the rebels stopped for moment to see a galaxy without the empire trying to fight, the empire wouldn’t have to keep such a big army and have all these bad stuff....?
@JamesLPlummer
@JamesLPlummer 6 жыл бұрын
It's okay to nuke all of Afghanistan because of a few terrorists then?
@davidwuhrer6704
@davidwuhrer6704 6 жыл бұрын
*James 'Wulf' Plummer* The empire is not nuking all of everywhere either. We know that Tarkin's Death Star had more fire-power than the entire imperial navy combined, because he says so to the admirals of said navy. When we do see the empire use force, it is always against the rebels, which may not be representative of the empire as a whole. And before you bring up Alderaan, know that that was Tarkin's choice, not imperial policy, and he might well have had to stand trial for killing imperial taxpayers had he not chosen to go down with his ship in his moment of triumph.
@classicfrog80
@classicfrog80 6 жыл бұрын
If you want to compare destroying Alderaan to a fight against terrorists in Afghanistan, then it wouldn't be a nuking of a country, but, like, setting a fire to a wooden toilet in one of the villages in the mountains. Star Wars universe has 3.2 million habitable systems. Sure, some of them are small, backwater planets, that can barely support the life. But it's till over three million of them. So yeah, apart from the actual Alderaans that get killed pretty much no one else gave a damn, apart from the possibility of being next target, if they think of joining the Rebels.
@gibbs615
@gibbs615 6 жыл бұрын
Stephen Duran Even before the rebellion was founded the empire was being a bunch of smug imperial dickhead assholes pushing innocent citizens around about how everything they do must be registered with the empire which means they were taking away their right to do whatever they choose & taking away whatever property was THEIRS to begin with! The rebel alliance was formed because Mon Mothma could SEE that the empire is nothing but EVIL & it always was to begin with!
@Schlumbuo
@Schlumbuo 6 жыл бұрын
you seem to be unable to seperate the empire and the first order
@johannpopper1493
@johannpopper1493 6 жыл бұрын
The canon Star Wars Radio Drama adds so much more detail to the reasons for Rebellion. Specifically, to your question about why a typical farmer like Owen Lars would oppose the Empire, the Empire was planning to nationalize all businesses, including the Lars moisture farm on Tatooine. This is the specific reason Biggs leaves the Imperial Starfleet and joins the Rebel Alliance, which he tells Luke. Biggs then says Luke's uncle will probably take on the Empire himself -- and later Owen and Beru are executed without trial, so you can add the tacit criticism of lack of basic rights, and furthermore the lack of separation of representative, limited powers (Palpatine even screams "Unlimited power!!!" in the prequels, lol). One might also add the supression of freedom of traditional religion (Jedi). All the other things you mentioned, slavery, conscription, etc, complete the picture. Star Wars is in essence culturally American. Its basic assumptions of limited, separated, federal (territorial) government, fly in the face of, for ecample, Chinese one-party centralized philosophy, which is why SW does so poorly in China. Hollywood is generally too ill-informed to realize SW in China is like importimg pork to Saudi Arabia. Oh, and the empire was obviously a human supremacy government, whereas the Rebellion was a multispecies coalition. Lastly, the foundation of the Empire was presumably unconstitutional, meaning the Republic is still the legitimate government, of which only the Alliance, the last remnant of the senate, remained. So, technically, the Empire were the rebels, and the "Rebel" Alliance was trying to suppress it and restore Republic control over the galaxy -- not unlike how the drastic and centralizing reorganization of the British Empire precipitated the American Revolution, which "rebels" actually sought to restore their traditional local governments and liberties.
@anoynme9258
@anoynme9258 5 жыл бұрын
This video is based entirely on the films, and does not consider other publications like books, comics, graphic novels, guidebooks etc.
@wd-type9643
@wd-type9643 6 жыл бұрын
Evil or not, better than being an overused plot device.
@DrewBisthebestdealwithit
@DrewBisthebestdealwithit 6 жыл бұрын
Nu-uh! The first order slavery point is not applicable because they aren’t the empire. They are a splinter faction, with much harsher measures, but they don’t really govern many territories.
@markillie
@markillie 6 жыл бұрын
finn says he was taken from his family, a family he will never know, so he was very young? maybe his family were poor and gave their son into military training so he would have a better life, clothed and fed. many poorer people join up for these reasons
@bobsmith-ph6gu
@bobsmith-ph6gu 3 жыл бұрын
One thing I would say, besides another excellent video, is that the stormtrooper that the empire had were free paid professional soldiers, not slaves, they only started that under the first order.
@classarank7youtubeherokeyb63
@classarank7youtubeherokeyb63 6 жыл бұрын
Before Legends was made non-cannon it was established that palpatine forsaw the attack of an extragalactic power. This was too strong for the republic to stand against, so he seized power by force hoping to build up the military to the point that they could defeat the invasion. I don't know if any details were given, but if they are similar to the prethoryn then a planet killer makes a lot of sense compared to a fleet of battleships.
@picklerick4944
@picklerick4944 6 жыл бұрын
You're confusing the First Order with the Empire
@robertgiggie6366
@robertgiggie6366 6 жыл бұрын
which they also lacked under the republic. As the emperor would say, "ironic"
@theodorberg8473
@theodorberg8473 6 жыл бұрын
I never looked at the empire as evil
@gibbs615
@gibbs615 4 жыл бұрын
I DID!!!
@ptfodity
@ptfodity 4 жыл бұрын
Hail Mosley
@democracyisnon-negociable3819
@democracyisnon-negociable3819 3 жыл бұрын
Because in the free world, dictatorship is considered evil while Republic and democracy are considered good… there is no explanation, only fear that dictatorship will cause abuse of powers, fear and tyranny… that’s why being called a dictator or emperor in the free world is basically an insult… Republic is more than just a political system, it’s an ideology
@democracyisnon-negociable3819
@democracyisnon-negociable3819 2 жыл бұрын
@Jason Bonaparte says the guy which house gets blown off by pro democracy fighting tyranny from high above!
@creeperinvasion6885
@creeperinvasion6885 3 жыл бұрын
Because… they built a death space station with a planet killing laser. That’s why
@user-cf3hk4wt3e
@user-cf3hk4wt3e 6 жыл бұрын
I thought it was quite insightful when you mentioned the restriction on goods evident from the prevalence of smuggling :) never actually thought about it that much. Look forward to seeing more of this series
@tsarfox3462
@tsarfox3462 7 жыл бұрын
I see where you're coming from. The films really only show one instance of pure evil: the destruction of Alderaan. That probably should be enough to convince most people, but to be fair pretty much every government has killed a lot of innocents (especially when fighting a civil war). Although that's usually an accident, not deliberately murdering 2 billion unarmed innocents. Comics, shows, and other non-movie stuff depicts some really horrible things the Empire does. First off, every alien is a second class citizen. Some have it worse than others, but races like the wookies and geonosians were enslaved. The Empire committed an almost-complete-genocide against the geonosians. Their entire economy was based on what were essentially gulags or concentration camps. *Spoiler for Battlefront II* : Operation Cinder. Before the Emperor died he left orders to high-up, Imperial military personal to carry out one final operation. It was essentially to deploy a new super weapon on loyal Imperial planets and wipe them all out. It was kinda like a string of mass shootings on a galactic scale. This was just one example. Life under the Empire basically became living in terror; waiting to become an example of what happens to enemies of the empire (even if you were a loyal citizen). This kind of oppression naturally leads to people becoming desperate and rebelling. They're going to die anyway, they might as well fight for the hope of a better life. Plus there's just the entire ideology of the Empire and the Sith. Anyone high-up who made a few mistakes was just executed without trial. Their foot soldiers were sent in mass-wave attacks and seen as disposable. This probably made morale cripplingly low. Also, it gives your commanders zero opportunity to learn from their mistakes and become more capable. If you had any talent, the best thing you could do is just keep your head down. Otherwise you risk being promoted and risk Vader's insane bloodlust. Bottom line is, the Empire's ideology was toxic and ineffective. It's a huge reason why their powerful Empire fell in a few decades to a relatively small rebellion.
@Yandy6
@Yandy6 3 жыл бұрын
There is something missing here. The fact that the First Order and The Empire are to different empires. And yes slavery was dealt with in the clone wars (TV show). I believe that in the movies they also show the empire enslaving Wookiee’s
@blairbrown4812
@blairbrown4812 3 жыл бұрын
the very fact that you have to ask such an inane question after billions of lives were snuffed out by the Death Star speaks volumes about the kind of politics that you subscribe to. The Galactic Republic may have been corrupt but they never once had to use genocide on a planetwide scale--or fear of such genocide--to get what they wanted.
@FEEonline
@FEEonline 3 жыл бұрын
Boy this is a giant swing and a miss on the point.
@piotrwisniewski70
@piotrwisniewski70 4 жыл бұрын
,,taking they property by force" shows a part of empire strikes back when Vader used force to take Hans gun. Nice job
@tenletters5889
@tenletters5889 6 жыл бұрын
5:00 that's the first order, the empire isn't in the new trilogy
@AmandaFessler
@AmandaFessler 4 жыл бұрын
4:49 "Taking their property by FORCE" I see what you did thar. ;)
@rfldm
@rfldm 6 жыл бұрын
"Well, we have to start somewhere!"
@The_Invisible_Hand
@The_Invisible_Hand 6 жыл бұрын
3:12 "Did he nationalize major industries?" In a deleted scene in in A New Hope, Biggs tells Luke "What good's all your uncle's work if the Empire takes it over? You know they've already started to nationalize commerce in the central systems? It won't be long before your uncle's just a tenant, slaving for the greater glory of the Empire."
@TheWizardGamez
@TheWizardGamez 2 жыл бұрын
Ironic how you agree with the rebels, yet never talk about the new republic and their inability to combat corruption, smuggling, safe trade, a secure galaxy, and the rampant growth of crime syndicates such as the hutts. While the empire did allow the hutts to coexist, the new republic just let them take over as much of the outer rim as they wanted. The new republic didn’t even have the foresight to hunt out remaining imperial strongholds and sympathizers. Allowing for the first order to exist. But hey, I guess the rebels who destroyed countless wmds must’ve been right. Because as we all know. The world before the creation of wmds was more peaceful and had less people, less civilians, die in active combat
@RealHyperHedgehog
@RealHyperHedgehog 2 жыл бұрын
I’m so sick of people trying to make the empire into heroes. Just let heroes be heroes and villains be villains.
@nicholaslee2602
@nicholaslee2602 7 жыл бұрын
The reason stormtroopers stopped obi wan,luke,c3po n r2d2 in episode 4 is because they need to check their identity there r alot of criminals in mos eisley so they had to check civillian's identity so innocent people dont get hurt and they can find those criminals
@Cdr2002
@Cdr2002 6 жыл бұрын
>so innocent people don’t get hurt >empire kills billions of innocent people in the same movie
@justbny9278
@justbny9278 6 жыл бұрын
Nicholas Lee260 "there r a lot of criminals in mos Eisley" Then why don't they go in there and stop that shit?
@FrankCastle-tq9bz
@FrankCastle-tq9bz 6 жыл бұрын
Concepts like "criminal" lose all meaning once you understand that "crime" is a fiction of "law."
@evilallensmithee
@evilallensmithee 6 жыл бұрын
Jaws effects, we all fill in our feared form of government?
@josephcittadino6541
@josephcittadino6541 6 жыл бұрын
Something you may not have known....commerce "doesn't exist" in the empire because Palpatine did, in fact, nationalize all business. Seinar,. the company that created the empire's ships and weapons, was actually owned by the empire, among other companies.
@emilv.3693
@emilv.3693 5 жыл бұрын
Most are of the places shown in the movies, for example the city on tatooine, are under strict military control because they aren't dominions of the Empire.
@starhunterterra9849
@starhunterterra9849 7 жыл бұрын
I have seen the Star Wars Story done in real life, but sorry Lucas or Disney you decided to exclude the good things the Empire did for the galaxy since Star Wars was never about a serious balanced debate. For a better take on this issue Legend Of The Galactic Heroes and Babylon 5 do a better job.
@fraxus
@fraxus 7 жыл бұрын
Nice idea - well done. Please examine the economics of Star Trek and Firefly/Serenity next.
@hynjus001
@hynjus001 6 жыл бұрын
Star Trek doesn't have economics. It has magic to wish away scarcity. At least they think they do because they don't factor time as a scarce resource.
@Wergoheb
@Wergoheb 6 жыл бұрын
That's just the Federation, though.
@pantslizard
@pantslizard 6 жыл бұрын
The presentation itself is good, but the argument has holes you could could drive the death star through... :>/
@CT--bi9lp
@CT--bi9lp 5 жыл бұрын
The Clone Wars ('08-'14, '19) is a good source for this stuff. It shows what was happening while the Republic was (slowly) forming into the Empire, and tackles issues like slavery and how war effects everyday lives.
@Samrules888
@Samrules888 4 жыл бұрын
a deleted scene in a new hope, in which luke actually goes to tosche station to pick up some power converters has luke have a discussion with his friend wedge antilles (who appears later in the movie and introduces luke to the rebel brigade as "the best bush pilot in the outer rim" which was a callback to this scene) where wedge tells luke that he's going to join the rebellion and that the empire is nationalizing even little farms in the far flung parts of the galaxy and that luke's moisture farm isn't safe. so some people think they're safe from the empire, but they really aren't. they've been making life difficult even on lawless frontier planets like tattooine.
@therattleinthebook397
@therattleinthebook397 6 жыл бұрын
First Order=/=Empire
@enderman5423
@enderman5423 4 жыл бұрын
I thought you were talking about original trilogy only. As soon as you said star wars rebels you lost all credibly
@afriendofepicproportions
@afriendofepicproportions 4 жыл бұрын
FEE: Makes a great video on how to spot tyrannical governments and the elements that make them horrible to live under The comments: tHe eMpIrE AnD ThE FiRsT OrDeR ArEnT ThE SaMe tHiNg
@evilnet1
@evilnet1 4 жыл бұрын
Most of the storm troopers in the original trilogy were actually volunteers from the core worlds.
@LegowarriorYTAdventure1234
@LegowarriorYTAdventure1234 6 жыл бұрын
If I remember Rebels it shows that the way they make their weapons is that they use all the resources of different planet WITH their citizens and sometimes and would just let them die usually (like Jedha)
@matthiuskoenig3378
@matthiuskoenig3378 6 жыл бұрын
one thing to point out, rogue one depicts that citizens had freedom of speech and that only when they actually commited crimes against the empire (like rebeling) did they get arrested.
@SamueITan
@SamueITan 4 жыл бұрын
Well, a book or documentary is enough to answer questions like this. People dont pay to go sit through 2 hours of political stuff within the empire. People pay to see PEW PEW PEW.
@ejaedike
@ejaedike 2 жыл бұрын
A lot of unfounded assumptions... So the Jedi didn't take 3 year olds from parents. And the the Republic turned a blind eye to all the corruption, smuggling and crime lords - cuz reasons...
@paulwence648
@paulwence648 6 жыл бұрын
In the prequel trilogy, the Republic is fairly ineffective at getting things done. Naboo is under siege, and the Senate wants to start an investigative committee...which doesn't seem to do anything. The Jedi (warrior diplomats) are never officially interviewed about their mission. We also see Qui-Gon make wagers with a citizen, and then cheat to get his way (arguably better than heavy-handed theft, but still theft). There also seems to be little concern about slavery. After the events of Ep I, there was all the time in the world to return to Tatooine and free Anakin's mom, but she's not force sensitive, so the Jedi don't give a crap. The citizenry on Coruscant seem to have good, if crowded, living conditions, except that Jedi can do what they want with impunity. Obi-Wan is attempting to capture an assassin, who they need to question, and instead of disarming her by taking away or breaking her weapon, so she can safely be taken to a local police station or the Jedi temple for questioning, he removes her arm. He doesn't administer first aid, and interrogates her out in the street, in full view of any passersby. We aren't shown much about the citizen's daily lives under the Empire, but there are two scenes that give us a glimpse into their world. Luke with his aunt and uncle is the first. They are farmers, and seem to be struggling, but can afford to buy two droids ill suited for farm life (stolen property, not even refurbished), instead of purchasing a new or used tailor made droid. They also maintain a sporty T-16 Skyhopper, virtually an armed military training vehicle (controls are more similar to rebel starfighters than those of the Empire). There didn't seem to be any concern about this by the Empire. We get a single, but crucial scene, on the Death Star of two stormtroopers having a conversation. They aren't complaining about long hours, low pay, or poor living conditions. There isn't concern for their families. They're talking about new equipment, and possibly a fart joke. Think of the lengths Earth's governments go to, to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of terrorists. The Empire is not just trying to keep their superweapon's secrets, but they want to make sure the terrorists (rebels) can't build a dirty bomb (mini Death Star) of their own.
@arc4859
@arc4859 Жыл бұрын
Andor showed this fantastically
@harrison6082
@harrison6082 6 жыл бұрын
The books and comics go way in depth about how each groups policies and how it effected peoples lives. Some Star Wars youtube channels talked about it.
@deepwokenplayer132
@deepwokenplayer132 6 жыл бұрын
I think the Rebellion made the Empire seem bad, since they wouldn't be so scary if everyone went by Imperial Rule.
@UltamentGaming
@UltamentGaming 3 жыл бұрын
they did not conscript aliens the empire had a very strict no aliens policy
@michaelramon2411
@michaelramon2411 6 жыл бұрын
FEE, it would probably take more research into the non-movie material to do this, but it might be interesting to look at the Empire in more macroeconomic terms. For example, the effect of their heavily centralized planning, utterly ludicrous military budget and desire to have troops on every corner of every planet in the galaxy. Alternatively, you could look at the effects of their focus on obedience on their military matters - poor troop morale, encouraging inaction over risk-taking and a tendency for incompetent officers to rise to the top. Sort of a "Why Do Democracies Win Wars?" kind of thing.
@ChaseCetta
@ChaseCetta 2 жыл бұрын
The movie show us the plight of the rebellion so obviously we wanted to root for them but I have this feeling the Empire were actually the good guys and what happened to the rebels were isolated instances and not the commonality amongst the citizens of the Empire.
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