What’s stopping China from invading Taiwan? | News Desk

China says it will continue military drills around Taiwan in the wake of US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s visit to the island. Its exercises surrounded the island, but so far, it has stopped short of invading. Why? And what does this mean for Taiwan's future, and the state of US-China relations?
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[@MrJackWorse]

Yeah. I don't think that four interns are the best team to discuss this seriously serious situation.

[@b00ts4ndc4ts]

Maybe if they spent the same time on the look of their show as they do on their hair and beards, btw the job centre wants that room back.

[@anoncspan4129]

Transnistria... Lol. Ms. Chan was knowledgeable.

[@user-vf9it1gz9u]

True. They should spend more time studying the situations and HISTORY before sharing with the audiance their personal views and judgements.

[@aslampervez2294]

@@b00ts4ndc4ts @Jason High island name is Taiwan. Its government official name is republic of China whose bounderies include mainland China as well according to its constitution . Basically it is frozen civil war. 92 percent of Taiwan population is Han Chinese, and 98 percent speak Mandarin ......

[@jk21nola91]

Definitely not…

[@janiekcarney5482]

I appreciate your programs. They are my personal favorite for in depth information. I learn so much. Thank you for your work.

[@chrisbecker5472]

Awesome information. Im 10 minutes from the end, and have learnt a lot. TY

[@rsmith4339]

This is the highest quality discussion I've seen from a main stream outlet in years .

[@kennith.]

She never answered the question about the US involvement.

[@ez3422]

Because she doesn’t want to tell the truth.

[@ChineseRepOfTaiwan]

I have to tell you foreign audience, we Taiwanese have been neglected by you too long and China's bully has been a big trauma for too many of us. Our achievement in all areas, democracy, semiconductor, health care, low crime rate, highest recycling rate, LGBTQ marriage legalized, all and all, we deserve recognition by all of the world including China. Safety and dignity. That's all we are looking for.

[@highontaiwan]

I lived in Taiwan for many years. My spouse is Taiwanese and two of our children were born there. Even though I do love Taiwan and want to return one day, I think Taiwan has a big problem trying to please the international community too much. You think if you do whatever the US does and copy everything, then they'll be nice to you and treat you as equals or they'll protect Taiwan from the big bully China. Do not rely on the US or the west to help you. My prediction is that the US will have a civil war, a second revolution, or it will fall apart in a few years. The US will not be able to help Taiwan even if they wanted to. You must be ready and willing to defend yourselves from China without the US' help. And don't change your culture just to please the west. The west is falling apart because of its "progressive" degeneracy.

[@TH-et3de]

Taiwan island is/was a province,an island of China,belong to 1.4 billion Chinese.Taiwan folks want independence,mainland chinese and government have to somehow agree,or it won’t work… Chinese are not bully,they are the one been bullied.They are too kind,be tolerant too long,let separatists,politicians and anti China hawks used Taiwan islands to against them. Go study history,read UN Resolution 2758…Taiwan is a part of China,Taiwan Constitution clear says Taiwan is part of China,and mainland China! Taiwan islands people,some,may be majority,were misled to believe china is bad,no democracy,thats crab,they have their own democracy,they have tremendous achievements…

[@crystal2484]

@@highontaiwan I think that's not right about Taiwanese, they are generally very simple and friendly people. They aren't trying to please the international community too much, it is just in them to be friendly to all visitors. Would u call the Japanese the same for their good manners and helpfulness? Even during the period when Taiwan was close to China back in the 90s and have no "need" for the international community, they were as friendly.

[@ada_play_games8310]

“You deserve recognition”? No, my son, you earn it, either through distributing your interests, or through death and blood. That’s how every country did it.

[@aslampervez2294]

@@highontaiwan island name is Taiwan. Its government official name is republic of China whose bounderies include mainland China as well according to its constitution . Basically it is frozen civil war. 92 percent of Taiwan population is Han Chinese, and 98 percent speak Mandarin

[@peterlongland6862]

An interesting side note, victa Chao and the chinese embassador to Australia have both referred to "the final solution " for the people of Taiwan. The embassador mentioned during questions at the press club.

[@whzhu7730]

Ms. Glaser used German mentality to explain China. It did not address the core issue.

[@omarahmed3907]

As a graduate of International Relations, I gained a lot from this. Thank you and keep up the good work. Ottawa, Ontario.

[@teckmenglee8060]

The facts stated was wrong. The people of Taiwan came from China. This was during the internal rivalry war between Mao and chiang kai-shek. Taiwan was a province of China in the Qing dynasty. So historically the "island of Taiwan" was part of China. But the country on Taiwan came about after chiang kai-shek escaped to the island of Taiwan and made it a republic. Please get your history right or rather, you misunderstand the country of Taiwan vs the island of Taiwan.

[@hyc1266]

@@teckmenglee8060 There is never a country called Taiwan. There was a country named Republic of China which include both mainland China and Taiwan.

[@leoliu5017]

@@teckmenglee8060 The western media always intensionally omit the taiwan past of qing dynasty and ming dynasty. Taiwan have been a provence of China even after ROC moved to China. Now they try to create a conflict and change the history and terrory claims. While when Scotland ask for indepence the UK said you are not allowed.

[@davehue9517]

What a great presentation and great work to all. And to think, this very discussion and topics could not be freely discussed and presented within China among Chinese, CCP wouldn't allow it. That should tell everyone what you need to know...🇺🇸🇺🇸🇹🇼🇹🇼

[@jonathonmeyers9581]

Why on earth did you think it's a good idea to have 9 minutes of elevator music with nothing happening before the video actually started?

[@littlebirdie2]

Thx, Bonnie!

[@sushiwwwww]

did you know that ROC's constituion ? you just say what you want to talk, that is it .

[@joechow3338]

I have a question, is Mellisa Chan a US resident? She's from Hong Kong, I believe. She must have been brought up in the US. She was based in Beijing? Doing what?

[@hyc1266]

Mellisa Chan, the hosts and all guest speakers here know little about China history. All the discussions here are meant to misinform the people who don't know the history of China.

[@apersonfromtheinternet3444]

@@hyc1266 I agree...any Chinese around the world would be laughing at what she said.

[@etbuch4873]

就是一隻「黃絲」。聽過吧？二零一九年黑暴爆發時。

[@ratbatnufftime2861]

@@apersonfromtheinternet3444 because they would have been raised on Chinese propoganda, that's why.

[@longjiangzhao2548]

“PRC has never rule ROC(Taiwan)”, true. cause technically PRC is still in civil war sate with ROC. From this perspective, unite by force does make sense.

[@rexlapis7250]

That Hongkie lady hates both PRC and ROC. Noticed she called KMT the losers several times 😂? She can say what she like but if KMT was wiped out before they reached Taiwan and under communist controlled. Taiwan won’t be what it is today as the world sees.

[@charlesbraun9636]

Arming civilians is never a good idea it just increases civilian casualties.

[@alexlazar4738]

The whole idea of the US strategy and this panel (although unknowingly ) IS to increase the number of civilian casualties

[@pagarb]

I went to Taiwan on a business visit in 1972 and it was run by very authoritarian government, which is what the KMT was back then. They had very tall, by Chinese standards, Military Police patrolling the street. Their uniforms were a lot like the US Army summer class A, their boots were "spit-shined" like US airborne and they were all over 6'2" tall and didn't just walk, they marched and when there were two, they'd line up alongside each other and take off in perfect step. I was told they were not to be messed with. they were very elite troops. The Taiwan Air Force clashed quite often with China's AF with extremely lopsided results, like 24 to 2 for Taiwan, in a several battles. Even now the results would probably still be about the same, at the time the Taiwan AF took a lot of pride in their prowess and that more than probably hasn't changed in the least bit. I wouldn't be in any hurry to under estimate them.

[@haraldkoch4446]

When the authoritarians in Taiwan saw the right moment they quickly and peaceably handed over power to the civil authorities. A smooth people and a great victory for conservatism. It is so sad that this should disturb the leftwing so much.

[@gtrturbo5806]

China can take Taiwan in four days

[@mradventurer8104]

ok but China as a whole made huge advances since then. Remember they got a lot of free techonology as they forced foreign companies like Volkswagen to merge 50-50% with a Chinese company as prerequisite to investments in China. I would think China is now much bigger and stronger (compare the number of planes, soldiers etc) but yes Taiwan not to be underestimated.

[@johnsonwang8728]

@@mradventurer8104 Taiwan is smaller than 6% area of Ukraine . and 2/3 is mountainous where few people inhabits. That's the truth.

[@Andrew-rc3vh]

They were the people that used to line up factory workers who were in a union and shot them for complaining about working conditions, giving rise to China's revolution.

[@ksir23]

Wrong example from China flight to Taiwan directly via international terminal. Hong Kong and Macao via international terminal as well it's that mean Hong Kong and Macao it's not China? Mainland China and Taiwan still in civil war.

[@moondeltarider]

Maybe the arrival of a new ASML-unit?

[@SmartJanitor]

There must have been poor rehearsal or poor direction, because I've rarely seen a long news program so plagued with on-air worries of "we know you have to leave right now" and "could you be more brief?" and other time worries that were so severe they resulted in one consultant's answer being mischaracterized on air (when Bonnie had to say "No, I said that it was much more complicsted than 'China's not ready.'"

[@denysspringer891]

Taiwan in my view is one of the best places in the world to live in. I have been to Taiwan on several occasions to study and to represent my country so I speak with some experience of the country. It is a discipline country and the people are very polite. I find a highly educated people and they have shown that they care in giving support to other countries. Even now after the threats from China they have offered a helping hand to help with the medical situation I China. God bless Taiwan Ila Formossa the beautiful Island and its beautiful people. Blessed ❤ love 🇹🇼

[@yangzhong666]

井底之蛙，孤陋寡闻

[@Michael-ex6gs]

You are a great person who appreciate s what is good. It's sad that Xi and Putin don't give a rubel for that kind off prosperity. They want total destruction of what is good in this world.

[@vedranhodzic9467]

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[@Banmuyuan]

Have you been to China mainland? What medical situation in China are you talking about?

[@HVAC356]

​@@Banmuyuan corona i think

[@jesustirados8986]

I believe Taiwan should not provoke mainland China but to just peacefully coexist.

[@jesustirados8986]

Coexistence is to Taiwan’s advantage.

[@christophervang9308]

@@jesustirados8986 if i come live in your house with you without your approval, you should just peacefully coexist with me too.

[@orangemoonglows2692]

what are they doing to provoke china? i don't see it. they don't seem to be doing anything except going about their business, creating industries china and the world want to influence or control.

[@SNOWBALLparties]

Quality one 👍, though something might be missing, for future reference... an equal, if not better, 'professional' view from inside the PRC might be on the menu? 🤔

[@Banmuyuan]

They won't allow that :)

[@1yehny]

At 20:00, you said China is not a super power? What in the world is your definition of a super power?

[@shiangchen1]

Correction the civil war started before WWII between the nationalist and communists, and ended after WWII.

[@abhishekguptasargupta2439]

Looking forward to the discussion on "Germany's over dependency on USA and lessons learnt from Russia"

[@qjimq]

They seem to be so Anti Trump I can already tell that they will totally misrepresent what actually took place IE Germany/EU. I watched this and how they spoke about the WHO or Human Rights groups at the UN as if they weren't corrupted organizations and had relevance to Taiwan.... I live right next to Taiwan in the Northern Philippines and am very concerned about their situation and ours.

[@ranjithpowell6791]

Germany should align with Russia just like Australia should align with China.

[@sjoervanderploeg4340]

"We need raw materials" and then proceeds to cite end products... seriously? Couldn't even name silica, gold, platinum and/or copper? Just call them "raw materials needed for aiding climate change".

[@sjoervanderploeg4340]

Yes, she did say that there was universal healthcare!

[@pabloalvez915]

Mordor intensifies.

[@Will_Smith_Slapping_Xi_Jinping]

NAT20

[@formosanbusinesssupportco.5343]

Thanks a lot for talking about Taiwan at all. I e-immigrated from Germany to Taiwan in 2001. Things are calm and business as usual in Kaohsiung ( not Chinese Taipei). Of course, the announcement of drills interferes with international sea and air routes, but China is doing that not with just Taiwan, but Korea, Japan, the Philippines , South China Sea and India. The most disappointing and frustrating thing is that Germany and many European nations simply pretend nothing has happened and China may do whatever it wants. North Korea wants to send 100 000 troops to support Russia in its war against Ukraine, South Korea sold the tanks and heavy arms to Poland and Europe still thinks it has nothing to do with it.

[@First-Last_name]

A guy with no source on russian state tv said 100,000 NK soldiers were coming to help Russia. Then western news ran with it a few days before russian state media picked it up and ran with it. The guy who first started the rumour has already changed it to 100,000 workers to re build occupied ukraine 🇺🇦 🙄 It's a silly rumour like the Syrian soldiers that never showed up.

[@formosanbusinesssupportco.5343]

@@First-Last_name NK never said fighting force. Sanctions are not working and Russia was very smart is not declaring war. That private "service providers" can join like the Wagner group and now perhaps NK. China is without any question the one who keeps the Russian economy afloat and their maneuvers close the Japanese borders speaks a clear language. So the authoritarian nations team up, but not the democratic ones. For example there is no law or regulations prohibiting the German chancellor, the parliament to have a video call with president Tsai. Even you may not travel, but even Edward Snowden may communicate freely through modern technology, which were not even mentioned at the time the "one China principle" was invented. Even China will shoot down the internet. if you think about all China would have to do is to claim Nancy Pelosi visited China and they even would benefit from it. They didn't even say a word then Nicola Beer visited Taiwan, but of course the EU is a toothless tiger who cannot even smile into a camera.

[@First-Last_name]

@@formosanbusinesssupportco.5343 I never said NK was the source. It was a TV news host on russian state media. They make a lot of wild claims so I never trust anything they say without some good evidence to back it up. Which happens rarely. As for China their pact of friendship in February and now these military maneuvers are suspicious. I believe China thought russia would have already cleaned up by now and be ready to help China with Taiwan. Luckily russia blunderd and any plans they might have had are out the window. Sanctions are working, 40% unemployment in russia right now. Rocketing inflation and a contracting GDP. They are hurting bad. The stock market crashed by 50% and can't go lower because poutn locked foreigners in, preventing them from selling stocks. Poutn is already begging for supplies from Belarus and Iran because their production of equipment has been reduced.

[@thesixth2330]

If you lived in Taiwan for 20 years you know this: 'Chinese Taipei' refers to the UN sanctioned title of the sovereign government on Taiwan. Kaohsiung is the name of a city.

[@formosanbusinesssupportco.5343]

@@thesixth2330 In fact Chinese Taipei is an abbreviation chosen by the US forces formerly stationed in Taiwan ( or as they called it "Free China") and stands for "Chinese Nationalist Republic of China government in Taiwan (Formosa at the time) exile in Taipei City" or short Chinese Taipei. The UN has never sanctioned neither Taiwan or the Republic of China. The Republic of China itself didn't veto in the security council then it the general assembly of the UN chose the PR China as the only legal representative of all China. The ROC government strongly objected Taiwan independence and refused the Italian ambassador's proposal to have a two China solution. If you live in Taiwan, you know the jokes between people identify as Taiwanese or Formosans and people of Taipei who always elect a mayor who is very pro China.

[@waynegore5291]

Chen is a liar. TIwan is never a part ofchina? Go and read the history book.

[@angelarch5352]

Taiwan was never a part of Communist China, ever. Maybe you should read a history book, or find a way to read a book outside of your Communist censorship.

[@Zezi007G]

Would you expect dw to find a guest who dare to say something is good in China? In that case, the editor-in-chief of dw will lose his job

[@waynegore5291]

@agela. Can you read the constitution of ROC, and then tell me what it says about relation between taiwan and china? Hopefully you do not make the schools you studied shameful.

[@Mooch-tc6ro]

After carefully examining the pencil props on the podcast production set, these guys never make mistakes or use the erasers.

[@MrSir-rq8qt]

Very well put together. Good show 👏 👍 👌

[@casard5235]

Good insights, perspectives, knowledge/experience sharing. I am enjoying the loose format that still maintains a focus on topic. Well done to crew, hosts, and guests. DM News Desk👍 Casard, Victoria B. C.

[@huming66]

some very basic FACTs about Taiwan that ignored by accident?: - The population migration from China to Taiwan was recorded as early as AD-230, over 1000 years earlier than the 16th century - the most (>95%) people living in Taiwan today is of the Han Chinese ethnicity originate from China, which inherited lots of historical and culture relation with China. President Tsai is also Han Chinese, her family prospered significantly during Japan's ruling time. - in last few decades, the history text books in Taiwan has been significantly modified to decouple Taiwan and China. People's identity (especially for young) are based on modified history. - there is unsettled Chinese civil war between PRC and RoC (Taiwan) interrupted by the Korea war . "Taiwan is part of China" is clearly stated in the Constitution of PRC and the Constitution of RoC. During the US civil war, the overwhelming public opinion (to be independent) of the Confederacy did not stop the American Civil War to unite the United States. Behind almost every hot conflicts in today's world, there has been the evil shadow of "divide and rule" to benefit from inciting hatred, it seems the talent (may be in its blood) of some people

[@qstrian]

Mallorca Straits is crucial to PRC energy & raw material shipments, according to a leading Geopolitics analyst. Two US destroyers could embargo shipments of eighty percent of all of China’s oil & LNG shipments.

[@kentershackle1329]

Yes..genius. yr suggested action then force will ASEAN hands to side with China?. Btw its Malacca Strait (named after City State of Melaka/Melacca Sultanate Empire ) the last great empire before West colonials came...

[@ashleyhill6697]

@@kentershackle1329 Interesting I've never heard of a Chinese Empire. I've heard of the Mongolian Empire and dynasties such as the Qing and Ming dynasties. Thanks for giving me something interesting to google.

[@kentershackle1329]

@@ashleyhill6697 Imperial expeditions of Admiral Zheng He.. hv a look on this. Malacca Sultanate stamped n secured its security and expended its reach, securing the areas ,of piracy, wars.. after the diplomatic ties forged. Same As many other city states.. along the trade wind East- West path.

[@annaporna9644]

@@kentershackle1329 why will ASEAN countries side with China, they themselves have disputes with China

[@kentershackle1329]

@@annaporna9644 Sure but as bad with what the Mass media drummed up.. rhis thing is decades old. Only recently got attention when China boost up the islands, its as usual the Anglo American's the ones behind recent these shouts.. cos now they CANNOT with Impunity sail in do whatever they want.

[@andresisrael5817]

"Idealism and materialism"

[@johnrichardson3297]

DW News conflict zone correspondent is my favourite for questioning period

[@sugarbeets]

The Chinese lady is talking non-sense ! The indigenous population who lived in Taiwan for many generations speaks the same dialect as the Fukienese (Fukien) people in the Mailand. They also use the Chinese written characters. When talking about self determination, The indigenous people of Hawaii wants their Independence from America for over 100 years but the U.S. acted that they didn't hear this demand. If you know the real history of Hawaii you will also feel bad for the native people who were conquered by the strong military force of the U.S.A.

[@China_Secret_Police]

*International Law and immediate consequences.* 🇺🇳>🇷🇺🇨🇳

[@edwardhochwand9063]

UN has one China policy.

[@China_Secret_Police]

The CCP's self-alienating behavior warrants isolation from the international community

[@bronyaenjoyer]

why are they censoring the windows logo on the laptop but not the apple one

[@keelyjohnson462]

4036 we're trying to resolve the budget issues because the people that weren't allowed to have a gun were really hurt and the people that weren't even allowed to have a house and food were extra extra hurt

[@donaldtrumpuncensored6728]

If China invaded Taiwan it would need FAR MORE than 100k troops! The rule is 3 times more than the defenders: 165k x 3 = 495k. But now ordinary Taiwanese people are also learning to fight. Also the Chinese would lose MANY ships while crossing. They would need at least one million troops, not including logistics support.

[@thematic3893]

Nah, I’d say they’d need around 1 million troops. Something they could easily field.

[@lac8356]

China has a huge generation gap due to the effects of the one child policy. Most of their young are in the military and cannot be replaced once taken out.

[@zhaolalala476]

@@lac8356 lol，really ignorant

[@crystal2484]

And they will need to up their defence against India while they invade Taiwan. Also, Japan will be implicated. There are certain countries in Asia that will be keen to join the party given that China has land disputes with just about all of its neighbours except a few.

[@budgetking2591]

@@thematic3893 it would turn out bad for them, a bit like russia in ukraine, its very comparible.

[@RiDankulous]

Does anybody know of any military-related research concerning the effects of a blockade on Taiwan, effective defenses and such? It would be nice to see.

[@bozo5632]

Seems obvious. Any military action in the region would effectively blockade Taiwan. Either China or USA could do it, and neither China nor USA could break the blockade very soon or very easily. But there's no need for anyone to blockade Taiwan. One missile (US or Chinese) could stop Taiwan's key exports (chips) for a year or more. If China wants to destroy the Taiwan economy it only has to stop paying for Taiwanese imports. (Half of Taiwan's economy.) No blockade is necessary. The only blockade that anyone is actually contemplating is a US blockade of China. "To protect Chinese commercial shipping from Chinese aggression," or with some similarly empty excuse for preserving US hegemony.

[@justinzak5025]

I think drone freighter subs would be worthwhile to explore

[@ADV.PODCAST]

China can't stop Taiwan from being replenished.

[@RiDankulous]

@@justinzak5025 ty sorry guys but the 2 other comment replies to my comment are not visible.

[@coraltown1]

look at Rapid Dragon response, how the US would sink China's entire navy.

[@VictorLopez-fy2rh]

So why are they depending upon China?

[@sportsonwheelss]

can any panelist explain the US and the UN's one China policy?

[@andymetzen]

Please enable Chat Replay for live videos.

[@smokindauberdoo4208]

You need to watch it live

[@thematic3893]

@@smokindauberdoo4208 no you can set it so we can see chat after upload.

[@etbuch4873]

The government in Beijing (the PRC government) and the government in Taipei (the ROC government) are still in civil war that has never been concluded, with no cease-fire agreement or truce agreement signed. The two governments are within the framework of one country, namely "China."

[@mr.miyagi3579]

The Taiwan / China issue is akin to the political issues that divided East Germany from West Germany and divided the Koreas, Democracy vs Autocracy). . Taiwan was known as Formosa and was a vassal state of Japan till the end of WW2 in 1945 after the USA dropped two atomic bombs on Japan. China began a civil war in 1947 between the Commies and the free world factions in China. The freedom fighters could not defeat the Commies and fled to Taiwan, (the Japanese occupied island known as Formosa during WW2) establishing a new democratic government there. The USA commitment to the notion of "One China, Two rules" is in the recognition that the Civil War in China that began in 1947 has not been concluded with one winner and backs the democratic government of Taiwan in their independence from communist China, just like it does in the support of South Korea.

[@hyc1266]

"China began a civil war in 1947 between the Commies and the free world factions in China. The freedom fighters could not defeat the Commies and fled to Taiwan, (the Japanese occupied island known as Formosa during WW2) establishing a new democratic government there. " The so called "freedom fighters" were the soldiers of the corrupted ROC gov't. If the ROC gov't was so "good" and "democratic", why people in China rebelled and chased them out of the mainland China? These "freedom fighters" had much better weapons and much well trained by the US gov't. Why these "freedom fighters" of the ROC gov't couldn't win the civil war and needed to flee to Taiwan? It was because the people of China has chosen the communist party CPC to be their country gov't since 1949. The defeated ROC gov't has no right to claim any China territory including the Taiwan island.

[@adbogo]

Not the same, in Korea the US intervened.

[@insanoinsano3878]

The true and the resolution is every country listen the others issues , even Putin have some reasons who could be treted diferently, we in the free world think that we can help other country citizens to be free but we cant, every country citizens have to be the ones fighting for changes, we cant think we can go there and put a democracy in places like afhganistan hás proved they need a long way to start one, is sad we see people without the power to choose them counties goverments but like us in the past, them citizens need to fight for it, now we need to listen eachother and resolve TOGETHER!!!

[@keelyjohnson462]

4832 I think they've been helping us distribute food and goods so I wouldn't criticize them much that's basically what I felt like from Singapore is why are you trying to sync my Island by telling me I can't leave my state or country safely?

[@wolverine9377]

What is preventing china yo invade taiwan? - People, Chinese people living in Taiwan

[@sebastianong2154]

💯

[@hammertime6148]

Do you really think Xi cares about his own people, it’s about power. It’s same hear in the Us when Biden administration abandoned all the citizens and allies in Afghanistan. They said the number was only 100, the real numbers was thousands. Never trust politicians.

[@mohammedhumaid7636]

Taiwan has alwsys claimed there isonly one china and claim that they represent China.

[@Tacit_Tern]

They are a constant reminder of the CCP's illegitimacy.

[@_SamUSA_]

Not true. Today Taiwan does not claim to be China. Taiwan claims to be Taiwan.

[@mohammedhumaid7636]

@@_SamUSA_ Taiwan held the UN seat until 1979 in its capacity as China, representing all of china.

[@louiss.7765]

There is only one China, only one Taiwan too.

[@hyc1266]

@@louiss.7765 There is only one China and only one Taiwan province under China.

[@siberianresort5722]

When the world knows Sun Tzu's art of war, and everyone knows that you are listening to Sun Tzu's art of war, you'd better change it

[@xi1864]

we know you guys watching, we know you may think we will change. so we dont change.

[@reyalPRON]

The motherland must accept that its offspring has its own individuality and identity. Would you call the child of a mother the mother?

[@j1212a]

Please make no war but peace 🙏🙏🙏

[@hyc1266]

"Please make no war but peace" Tell the US and its allies who are the ones bullying and bombing the world.

[@etbuch4873]

Tell that to the US.

[@henryng9406]

Also tell that to NATO

[@levianderen9453]

Tell that to Russia and China...

[@omidpourhossein]

2023 looks like it's not going to be disappointing!

[@macalister8881]

Get ready be prepared

[@stephenbaker7079]

..... "I'm excited to be here!" Really? So many people are 'excited' over too many things - it's time to cut out that annoying phrase from everyone on-line and everyone on air!

[@JoeyBlogs007]

1:29:05 line gone silent. China hackers in play ?

[@firefool125]

Mostly cowardice. They gotta bluster though, otherwise they come off as "weak". Even though the real weakness is being unable to do anything other than bluster

[@rabbit719]

CHina is never a coward to better stronger. US is coward. China didnot and do not plan to invade Taiwan. The activity now is to defeat US and claim the control over US who intends making issue via Taiwan. mind brushed by your evil medias.

[@CHINESE_PRIDE]

There's footage of China's soldiers crying before going into combat

[@rabbit719]

@@CHINESE_PRIDE just imagine in the sake of ignorance. All Chinese people are proud of what Chinese government is doing to beat up and warn America.

[@CHINESE_PRIDE]

@@rabbit719 Only a racist would conflate their ethnicity with Nationality. Western ideology is centered around freedom and democracy, and the defense of human rights. China thinks it can act like it's last century. But all China has to do is just honor their own agreements and follow international law; but the CCP refuses to do so, and actively works against the global community. 华人 choose to be so, because of the CCP!

[@aslampervez2294]

@Isang Katotohanan @Jason High island name is Taiwan. Its government official name is republic of China whose bounderies include mainland China as well according to its constitution . Basically it is frozen civil war. 92 percent of Taiwan population is Han Chinese, and 98 percent speak Mandarin ....

[@wilhelmederveen9265]

@10.00 According to Wikipedia, Taiwan was conquered by the Qing dynasty in 1683 and remained in Chinese hands up until 1895 at which point it was taken by the Japanese.

[@jmlin501]

No, Qing Empire only ruled part of Taiwan, not whole island. Japanese Empire was the first to conquer whole island.

[@apersonfromtheinternet3444]

@@jmlin501 it was returned to China after ww2

[@jmlin501]

@@apersonfromtheinternet3444 can you show me which international treaty indicates that Taiwan is officially transfer to PRC or ROC? The claim was based on Cairo communiqué which in today language is news updates.

[@apersonfromtheinternet3444]

@@jmlin501 not transfer. Returned..after ww2..to China..not PRC or ROC..returned to China. Don't ask silly questions, like if something is returned to USA is it return to the democrats or republicans?

[@jmlin501]

@@apersonfromtheinternet3444 This not silly question, you Chinese have not concept of law at all, no wonder Chinese never keep any international treaties obligation. Everything is historic documents in Chinese view if it wouldn’t suit your needs. Did Japan transfer Taiwan to China in the peace treaty, either in San Francisco treaty or Japanese-Chinese peace treaty? Japan declared that it abandoned its claim on Taiwan, nothing more or less. In Sino-Japanese treaty, can you find any article mention Taiwan was “return” to China?

[@reynux1]

would the other US ally SEA nations be involved in the conflict? how would they be dragged and how would they contribute to do the battle?

[@macalister8881]

War is big business

[@wjaouyang]

it is very dissapointed that everyone is ignoring the fact that taiwan was always part of imperial china before the ROC. DW should be more neutral on this.

[@Banmuyuan]

DW is not neutral.

[@paba10]

A quick question. Would anyone in that room go to war to protect Taiwan? yeh.. that is what I thought..

[@thematic3893]

Never, they do expect plenty of men of action to jump into that meat grinder though.

[@cjoo407]

Rookies stop 🛑 what you're doing. It doesn't help anyone with this program.

[@yedaobing]

Very disappointed by Mellisa Chan. She intentionally misinterpreted the meaning of reunification. Taiwan and mainland China was separated by civil war between 1946 to 1949. The losing party fled to Taiwan, the winning party stayed in the mainland and changed the country name to "People's Republic of China". Even before the current pro-independent party came to power, both sides claimed to own each other. Sorry, don't want to see this lady's face again.

[@rosskim5636]

ummm.. Taiwan was a part of Chine prior to the civil war, so her entire explanation of why 'reunification' isn't relevant is just misinformation. also, these bigots mention that the mainland claims Taiwan as their territory, which is true; however, they failed to mention that Taiwan also claims the entire mainland of China as their own territory.

[@richardlin-wm9wt]

And the island was the territory of chin dynasty before japan take the island in1895 the island was return to china after the wwll (1945) the government of ROC fled to the island in 1949. The word use in the beginning of the show fail to mention it. PRC never control the island indeed but the island is the territory of china since japan return it to china after wwll in 1945 the only problem is which government PRC or ROC is the legitimate government of china (this is the legal basis of the clam of china).

[@richardlin-wm9wt]

The history part can prove what i just wrote

[@keelyjohnson462]

5515 yeah it's like child and Adult Protective Services that's why I was so upset about the turn brother against brother plan because then we don't have anyone to build the house

[@keelyjohnson462]

3956 yeah it was a strategy they were using that they would see to it you lose everything if you didn't do whatever they wanted because they had a gun it's a really bad strategy for triangulation

[@CHINESE_PRIDE]

China won't because they are entirely dependent upon the Western world, who would immediately isolate them.

[@papopapo2817]

China will and you never know if what they are doing now is not the beginning of it. Who will stop them? Do some geopolitics and you will understand that nobody will come to save them. The west is more dependent on them than you think. Almost Everything is made in China.

[@denisgorjunov304]

The West can't even isolate Russia. China is 10 times bigger. Any sanctions against China are suicidal for West and everybody know it.

[@BMW-lu1pp]

I think the Western world is depending on China or we will see empty shelves in HomeDepot and Walmart.

[@edwardhochwand9063]

@@BMW-lu1pp US can't provide enough legal pot since China provides most of weed farming facilities.

[@bozo5632]

The West depends far more on China than China depends on the West. And more so every year.

[@aliskprado]

Nice discussion! Lots of different questions and considerations and it was great having Melissa Chan in it! Thanks!

[@tongwu4667]

She is really a liar!

[@aslampervez2294]

@Wdm Ufsuen @Jason High island name is Taiwan. Its government official name is republic of China whose bounderies include mainland China as well according to its constitution . Basically it is frozen civil war. 92 percent of Taiwan population is Han Chinese, and 98 percent speak Mandarin .....

[@annamiao7867]

melissa chan 's talk is her understanding of Taiwan history, not the rest Chinese people. If all the discussion is under her hypothesis, the whole discussion is waste of time

[@NorCalMoDo]

a fact distorting person

[@NorCalMoDo]

@@annamiao7867 wasted

[@freddyortiz2913]

Hi,guys.this is awesome!!ty

[@casard5235]

P. S. from Casard-my previous comments also apply to the chat room format. Right on...

[@NorCalMoDo]

Chan was born in 1980 in Hong Kong and grew up in the Los Angeles area after her family emigrated to the United States when she was three years old. How would she be able to understand China?

[@macc240038]

By studying Chinese history. The history of the CCP. It's that simple.

[@hyc1266]

@@macc240038 You didn't even get CPC correct.

[@Banmuyuan]

@@macc240038 She said: forget about history in this program.

[@Freedom-yo7ff]

Not quite sure where Melissa gets her facts from, but historical records would beg to differ from her statement, "the historical fact is that China never controlled Taiwan." Several countries once controlled Taiwan, such as Japan and China. China has a long and contentious history of claims on Taiwan, some official and some non-official. It has been a long standing vow of pride and power for China to achieve official 'reunification' of Taiwan with the motherland. Xi Jinping has set his sights on being the leader to achieve this feat of historical pride for China. He will have to achieve this by force.

[@thematic3893]

They are reorganising the facts with semantics so when this does go hot you will have a bunch of uninformed people spreading these talking points and disinformation. It’s rather ridiculous to listen to this type of revisionism as you can justify anything if you get enough people onboard with the lie.

[@zhaolalala476]

go to study more Chinese history. if China never control taiwan，why people living in Taiwan are Chinese？

[@thematic3893]

@@zhaolalala476 I don’t know if you know this but Freedom was agreeing with you.

[@PaulSzymkowiaks]

I agree: although it is arguably another case of Western meddling that lead to the most recent chain supporting China's claims. If Chiang Kai-shek hadn't been involved in the Cairo Conference in November, 1943, and the allied forces hadn't erroneously resolved that "all the territories Japan has stolen from the Chinese, such as Manchuria, FORMOSA, and The Pescadores, shall be restored to the Republic of China", I suspect the ground would not have been so readily cultivated for Chiang Kai-shek's escape after he was overthrown in China.

[@ez3422]

China(far before Ming Dynasty)has controlled Taiwan for more than hundreds years, long before today’s so called Taiwanese escaped to Taiwan after defeated in 1949. Melissa is so ignorant. She needs to read more books. It is so shame for her to mislead every for her political views.

[@mrbangs5867]

you just lied

[@davidelizalda6980]

Mainland China signed treaty with Great Britain regarding Taiwan's fate and time frame. What about that?

[@rcbrascan]

There is something unseemly about this pro-Taiwan panel. Why isn't there an expert that is Chinese speaking for China's position? Melissa Chan works for DW as a news reader and not an expert so her revisionist history views don't support the facts.

[@Zezi007G]

Would you expect dw to find a guest who dare to say something is good in China? In that case, the editor-in-chief of dw will lose his job.

[@tonylegge7261]

The Chinese should not have any position - This is a free independent country we are talking about - China should just go about its business and leave Taiwan alone - Who do they think they are?

[@crystal2484]

Like the rep in the French program who repeatedly states that China planned to re-educate Taiwanese after they controlled it?

[@fronabulax63]

If i was Xi i would not wait until Taiwan is turned into that porcupine.

[@Zezi007G]

@@crystal2484 Didn't the French educate its citizens after taking back Alsace, that alsace belongs to France? Are there no basic national education textbooks for primary and secondary schools in your country?!

[@michaelmoore6484]

As Melissa said, words matter. For example, she says: "Taiwan has never been A PART OF PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA", which means it has never been a part of COMMUNIST China (which is true), to which the DW announcer says: "Yes, Taiwan has NEVER BEEN PART OF (MAINLAND) CHINA". Jesus Christ, so now Taiwan has never ever been a part of China! What a lie! If words matter, then they should matter when they favor your ideological opponent too. Where do you people study your history? Taiwan was ceded to Japan in 1895 after Japan attacked China (Sino-Japanese War) and forced the Qing dynasty to surrender Taiwan. That is why the mainland Chinese talk about "reunification" and you guys make it sound like they are crazy. Honestly, can you like study history just a bit and be at least a bit objective? For example, why don't you say when you introduce people what is their background? Melissa is anti-China - why not just say honestly that she is from Taiwan or Hong Kong or where ever she is from, so that the people watching your video can know where she is coming from in her argument. You are just perpetuating the demonization of China. I don't come from China, and I think that the Taiwanese have the right to live as they please, but I also think that mainland China has its own valid arguments, and that there is a thing called objectivity and truth in reporting. You are not doing a service to Taiwan when you are obscuring facts. You are only preparing ground for yet another Western proxy war by demonizing whoever you think is your (the West's) geopolitical rival.

[@MrInsaneCranium]

Thank you Michael for spreading truth unlike this channel spreading USA lies and deceit!

[@keelyjohnson462]

5747 we want to make them Oasis everywhere because it's really hard to travel when you have medically fragile people in your care

[@bidyayadav8013]

India is with taiwan but Taiwan need to work on its defensive and attack tactics coz their fight is with a huge military

[@1234Mwafrika]

If Hawaii was to secede from the US and China rushes to its aid, how will USA react?

[@henryng9406]

Same goes for Alaska, Texas, California, ........ most of the southern states.

[@nunomendonca]

Excellent programs and content shared - clear, balanced, diversed in opinions and points of view - great work, congrats to the team and DW News. Important contribution to make people aware of what is for sure the greatest risk to our modern western civilization. Thanks!

[@MrMscotth]

If you have to use force it is not re-unification. Think people.

[@piratizaslobodu]

BRD too hasn't ever controled DDR, before the unification. What's your point?

[@anou2076]

What's stopping China invading Taiwan, as long as they don't use Taiwan card on independence🤔🌹

[@Freedomofexprsssion]

Agreed

[@enjay9521]

Your correspondent Melissa Chan has a clear pro-Taiwanese independence point of view. That's too bad, because your viewers need to appreciate the role of history in this ongoing conflict. For Beijing, Taiwan is historically a part of China, dating from the Ming and Ching dynasties. Taiwan was separated from Mainland China because of losses to foreign powers during the Unequal Treaties period of the Warlord Era and by the Japanese occupation in 1895. To argue that the will of the local people is more important than historical context is ridiculously naive. For example, the United States fought a vicious Civil War to hold together its union, in spite of the South's intent to leave the union. Beijing has made it very clear that this is the last part of the end of China's own Civil War. You may or may not agree with Beijing's point of view, but people need to understand it, for a better understanding of the situation and why Beijing cares so much about this issue.

[@nanjiang1953]

It’s like the union lost the American civil war and fled to Hawaii with the official name USA. And people say CSA never owned Hawaii so they don’t have right to finish to civil war off. Some other people may even argue Hawaii owns CSA due to both were once under USA

[@domingoluna2501]

Because of xijingping's greed for power.

[@WorldJazz59]

Wow @

[@nolandyoung-hd3qp]

The computer chips they are supplying that are needed to supply cars phones and many other technologies

[@leoyu3333]

east Germany get to reunited with west Germany in wake of the decline of USSR, as Taiwan will reunited with China in wake of the decline of US, which foreseeable in 10 years or even more early, use of force is last resort only if US became desperate.

[@chidera66]

You forgot that USA is not declining PRC is!

[@fronabulax63]

@@chidera66 thats why now is the right time for the fight.

[@leoyu3333]

If you said so. economically, militarily, politically, and social, which part you think US is on the rise?😁

[@chidera66]

@@leoyu3333 all part there economy is even better than China this year

[@lalakj1032]

@@chidera66 😂

[@jianhualu2521]

Kinmen is one of two counties that constitutes Fujian Province, the other being Lienchiang County (Matsu). Not part of Taiwan Province! Melissa chan is misleading people!

[@LSmoney215]

China will not successfully take control of Taiwan but if they do United States should allow Taiwan people to have citizenship in the United States and allow them to bring their microchip company there and still be owned by the Taiwanese

[@mekuayaakwaba5076]

if we go to Hongkong or Macao, we also have to fly the international flight, so what?

[@thesixth2330]

The Republic of China declared its independence long before World War II. It has yet to call itself the 'Republic of China' since Nixon and the one China policy without the 'Taiwan' Qualifier. Nor does it have a spot in the UN, nor do more than a few dozen (small) countries recognize it at all. When they say 'declare independence', this is what they are referring to. Taiwan, declaring itself a new nation, with all that entails. In essence if it declares itself Taiwan, a new country, then China can't call it a province any longer. The CCP will not allow that to happen, someone must make it happen for them.

[@Qiushishuo]

ROC Independence from?

[@thesixth2330]

@@Qiushishuo the Qing Dynasty and emperor pu yi.

[@Qiushishuo]

@@thesixth2330 No, ROC replaced Qing Dynasty.

[@thesixth2330]

@@Qiushishuo read a book.

[@JC-er7je]

@@thesixth2330 That's a revolution not independence. Independence is separation of a foreign rule, China did not separate, it removed the Qing dynasty from power and reformed the rule. So using independence from Qing dynasty sounds incorrect.

[@leethal59]

Lol how convenient that at 1:29:44 he just gets muted or loses connection when talking about Taiwan's conscription and boot camp. Lol reminds me of when the HK journalist asked that WHO guy on Taiwan's membership. lmao

[@stevinharper3551]

The so called expert that said some people say it would take China only 100,000 troops to take Taiwan is funny you want a 3 to 1 ratio 3 attackers to 1 defender

[@kayekaye251]

Trouble is, that would be nothing to them (mainland China), considering their population.

[@ycplum7062]

FYI, many find Strategic Ambiguity counterproductive in deterring China. They are right. Stategic Ambiguity was intended to deter Taiwan, not China. The US (back in the mid-1950's) was worried that with US backing, Taiwan would instigate a war with China and drag the IUS in.

[@fedorbutochnikow5312]

Fascinating discussion. Glad I joined to listen. Thank you.

[@NorCalMoDo]

misleading

[@keelyjohnson462]

2131 yeah pollution affects us wherever we are and we have to defend anyone that can't defend themselves

[@giveupnow000]

nice show

[@xiaozhong5198]

Firstly, if the United States were to gain control of Taiwan, it would be able to establish a military base right on China's doorstep. This could potentially pose a significant threat to China's security, as the missiles stationed at such a base could easily target the mainland, thus making China feel increasingly vulnerable. Secondly, Taiwan is a leader in the semiconductor industry, and the United States is concerned that China may attempt to acquire these advanced technologies in order to compete with US technological development. As a result, the US has a vested interest in preventing China from gaining access to these technologies, and may see controlling Taiwan as a means to this end. Thirdly, the United States is currently facing significant economic challenges, including mounting debts and problems with its banking system. In order to alleviate these issues, some may argue that the US government is looking for ways to benefit from a potential war, as it did during World War II.

[@nellyfrittata8319]

The US is also building multiple bases in the Phillipines and Japan. Japan is also remilitarizing

[@ALuckyDonkey]

Impressive how you’re wrong on every point

[@chichangwu]

we will see how this will develop, as we can see with the ukraine war, technology is king on the battlefield. so yeah i can understand why usa is concerned because in the future the role of drones and precision artillery etc will play a important role, ground troops don't stand a chance, unless the satellites are shot down.

[@foobar5477]

TSMC and SMC... China has already caught up or close to it. United states has screwed taiwan by telling them to build a plant in US, but then favoring their own companies. For every smart us citizen, china and india has produced 20. So in the next decade china will exceed US in tech, look at the space station. That is an amazing feate of accoumplishment and the drone and all the other tech which they have.

[@thematic3893]

Melissa is grossly misrepresenting the facts.