What's the BEST 12 gauge SHOTGUN ammo for home-defense

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@MrMadhouse70 9 ай бұрын

If 7 yards is the absolute most common distance for self defence or when the police use a gun i dont understand the use for flight control. The spread of an fist with buckshot at 7 yards must be alot better.

@shovelhead2155 7 ай бұрын

Flight control is like a fragmenting slug inside 10 yards, especially when using #4 Buckshot. No fliers, which is possible with any buckshot. It is still the devastating terminal performance we expect from buckshot.

@jpoeng 6 ай бұрын

Flight control stretches the effective range of #1 or #00 buck to 35-ish yards out of a cylinder or IC bore, so it’s nice outdoors but there’s no point for indoor distances.

@billF2380 2 ай бұрын

Nothing wrong with hornady at 7 yds. That’s a pretty tight group. Certainly lethal.

@dubltap7216 4 ай бұрын

Hornady opens up more than Federal because it's moving faster. (Around 300fps faster)More speed, more spread. It depends on what your looking for.

@SixTwoHemi 6 ай бұрын

The Hornady was the most impressive (buckshot) spread at that distance through a smooth bore. If availabe just use a modified or full choke and the Super X will work just the same.

@dalemuzingo799 Ай бұрын

No it won't

@maddantt7757 6 ай бұрын

If I ever spend 2500+ on a shotgun set up like that, I would try not to fret too much about spending the extra money on premium defensive ammo, which God forbid, I would ever have to use. And would just practice/plink with the cheap stuff (after I fully function test / group the defensive ammo)

@dennisr6385 8 ай бұрын

Show me where to get Federal Flight control at $1.25 a round.

@corycarlson8712 5 ай бұрын

A good rule for buckshot is that you should expect 1" of spread for every yard you move back. 10 yards = a 10 inch group.... 15 yards equals a 15" group. Federal flite control breaks that rule and has special applications because it doesnt spread as much at further distances. cops like fed flite control because they face threats where regular buckshot will not be effective and collateral damage is a huge concern. I have seen test where flite control is grouping well at 50 yards... that just wont happen with regular buckshot in most guns. At home defense distance regular buckshot is excellent... even preferable over flite control because of the greater spread..... might as well use a slug inside your house instead of Fed FC.But if you are using a shotgun as a propert defense gun and may have to take longer shots that fed FC makes alot of sense. Once you get to 40 to 50 yards you are just praying a couple of the pelletts will hit the mark. I patterned my HD shotgun with rem 00 this winter and IIRC i had 3 pelletts on a silloqette sized target at the 50 yard range. None hitting the vitals. Each shotgun will pattern differently, some will like specific loads and hate others... its best to try 4 or 5 out to 35 yards or so and pick the best. Its all about trade offs. Cost, reliability, range, effectiveness etc etc.Select the best round that is applicable to your situation. I.E. dont use buckshot if you expect to be taking 200 yard shots... and dont use slugs if you live in an apppartment building with neighbors on both sides. Common sense stuff.

@ncramz1662 2 ай бұрын

I mentioned this on another comment but buckshot is still more effective than a slug with very tight groups as the pellets will spread the second they hit someone. You can watch KZbin videos where they test this with ballistics gel. Additionally a wider spread increases the chance you miss pellets and hit someone else. You can be less accurate with flight control and still hit all your pellets. Wider spreads you better hit dead center or pellets are hitting whatever is behind the bad guy.

@maxmccain8950 Жыл бұрын

I didn’t hear you say if the Federal was an 8 pellet or a 9 pellet load. I’ve found the 8 pellet low recoil LE load to group tighter than the 9 pellet load. Adding that 9th pellet seems to open the group up. Best stuff I’ve ever tried. Try the 8 pellet load and let us know how it does in your shotgun. Every shotgun seems to be a little different. Great video sir.

@jacksman7 Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately Federal doesn't make the 8 pellet anymore. I'd bet its 9.

@maxmccain8950 Жыл бұрын

@@jacksman7 Bummer, it worked so well.

@maxmccain8950 Жыл бұрын

@@jacksman7 Federal is still making the LE 8 pellet load. Lucky Gunner has some in stock right now. I’d suggest stoking up on it. Great stuff.

@guardianminifarm8005 4 күн бұрын

Thank you. Good stuff. Subscribed.

@CivilianWarrior 3 күн бұрын

Thank you!!

@cerberus6988 Ай бұрын

Loki is the name of my black lab , anyway I've always been impressed with hornady critical defence it's 1600 fps., 8 pellet and that tight spread will put more bleed out holes and hit more vital organs

@CivilianWarrior Ай бұрын

Nice! Yeah Hornady is great

@davidandrews9656 Жыл бұрын

#4 shot is for in home self defense.

@MrLew1965 11 ай бұрын

Depends on your House structure my friend !

@rogereriksen2472 6 ай бұрын

I would tend to agree as it keeps over penetration down.

@BishBosh24 3 ай бұрын

@@rogereriksen2472 #4 will still penetrate lots ot dry walls

@morganstone4256 2 ай бұрын

#4 buckshot

@ChrisJames-i1r 6 ай бұрын

What choke was installed? I hear anything with the special "flitecontrol" wad does not do well with any choke, it only does well with cylinder/no choke. Choking it makes it spread more, unlike regular buckshot.

@kevinli9035 4 ай бұрын

Great, great video. Exactly what I’m looking for…so I got 20 box of Winchester but awkwardly they didn’t fit in the tube (5 rd tube can only fit 4) so I need something shorter like the critical defense or flight control

@nickolasthefrog 4 ай бұрын

I think you’ll be ok downloaded by 1. lol.

@victor-fowler Жыл бұрын

I turn birdshot into slugs,not cut shell BS either. Open the shell up and pour the shot into melted wax then spoon it back in. Now you have a frangible slug that will turn a cinder block into dust.

@gripaimsqueeze Жыл бұрын

😮

@victor-fowler 9 ай бұрын

@@nickgray8072 hell yeah brother!

@FerociousSniper 8 ай бұрын

Wax slugs are not to be fucked with.

@charlesburdette7497 6 ай бұрын

Need to try this

@victor-fowler 6 ай бұрын

@@charlesburdette7497 I made a quick video on how to it if you need it, I'm told it's funny too, lol!

@brauliorosales4063 3 ай бұрын

This honestly saved me time and $$ I honestly always treated black aces as defensive ammo. Now I’m definitely getting flight control

@daved8858 8 күн бұрын

This is like trying to compare what weight kettlebell is best to squish a bug. It’s a shotgun, everything works for HD.

@CogentAnon Жыл бұрын

In that border agent's defense he was probably in a hurry to go cut barbwire and welcome in the invaders.

@CivilianWarrior Жыл бұрын

You are probably right lol

@curtise.gill67 11 ай бұрын

What I'm wondering is how waterfowl loads do vs targets. Not exactly buckshot. But might be good for a forgiving first shot, that does alot of damage. Followed up but buckshot for a well aimed shot. If the target needed more persuasion.

@nickolasthefrog 4 ай бұрын

Trap loads are pretty much lethal at indoor distances. They aren’t reliably lethal, but it’s certainly not reliable to consider them forgiving. If that’s what you’re after, you might attach an OC can to the buttstock of your shotgun where the internet weirdos put shell cards.

@patcline6972 6 ай бұрын

I wouldn't want to get hit with anything from a shot gun at 30 ft

@lonestarpatriot876 4 ай бұрын

I would have liked to see chokes incorporated into these tests as well.

@cosyfoot7867 4 ай бұрын

Flite control is not optimized for chokes. It will restrict the wad and cause the spread to open sooner.

@lonestarpatriot876 4 ай бұрын

@@cosyfoot7867 Flite Control is not the only shotgun ammo available nor do I really think it is the best for home defense. That is a subjective topic though. I think showing different loads as well as the different spreads with and without chokes would more thoroughly cover this topic.

@troybingham6426 4 ай бұрын

Not too many southpaw shotgun reviewers out there. 🙂. Just subscribed. 👊

@ludgerwillgaster2095 5 ай бұрын

Watched theses test ...i think all work but to keep from shooting thru too many ealks 7 1/2....cause 8 works but find it

@rogereriksen2472 10 ай бұрын

I wanted to know the best LOAD, not brand. 00 over penetrates and is not at all useful for me. What does BB do? how does #4 buck perform?

@CivilianWarrior 9 ай бұрын

ok thanks for the feedback. that give me some ideas and i can see what I can put together to answer those types of questions

@Nautilus1972 9 ай бұрын

#4 buck covers a man’s chest 20 to 30 yards away. Would control a long corridor.

@mr.browning7.624 6 ай бұрын

@Nautilus1972 that isn't really saying anything. 00 buck would do the same thing. Fewer pellets but larger, versus more pellets that are smaller.

@MB-jg4tr 5 ай бұрын

4Buck followed by 1Buck is the best HD load

@nickolasthefrog 4 ай бұрын

Brassfetcher has all your answers (aside from the pattern through your gun). If he’d pander to the algorithm and repost old videos, most of the guntube content creators would have nothing to do. #4 reliably meets professional standards at close range ONLY with highest quality plated shot. 000 is the minimum to reliably meet standards passing into a vehicle. #3 or #2 buck are probably ideal but are only available in 20ga. #1 buck would then be the best compromise for 12ga but is mostly found in 3” shells, because hunters sometimes know their stuff. That pretty much leaves “00 buck”, which often measures closer to actual 0 buck, and we come full circle to just getting what’s popular.

@chicanopridealvarez1385 3 ай бұрын

Being also new to 12 gauge how did you handle recoil

@miles267 10 ай бұрын

Why gripping SG w an AR c-clamp? Don’t forget a light.

@CivilianWarrior 10 ай бұрын

Yeah guess it's a habit from shooting rifles for 20 years vs a shotgun for 10 months. Working on it

@jessgypin-ko5ds 5 ай бұрын

Your a child

@bugmouthready529 6 ай бұрын

That Super X is Super X-pensive in New Zealand. Over $60 Kiwi pesos box of 25

@elliotwilcox8615 4 ай бұрын

dont worry ill still subscribe, this was a great video!

@ricardogoodman1750 4 ай бұрын

Not all shotguns patterns the same plus barrel length also makes a difference but awesome demonstration though

@prodbyjxff5724 7 ай бұрын

ill never understand why people shoot buck shot when they really want to shoot a slug..... if you want a slug like pattern.... use a fucking slugXD ..... I want my buck to open up and I want a slug to stay together.... it's so fucking simple... slugs a way cheaper then flitecontrol too.... sooo make it make since... if a single big hole is all you want..... why the fuck you using buck shot XD

@DukeTolgo 6 ай бұрын

These flite control patterns were designed to minimize collateral damage in police shootings.Innocent bystanders have caught stray buckshot pellets even if criminal suspects were also hit.Also police and home defenders don’t favor slugs due to over penetration and potential collateral damage down range.

@prodbyjxff5724 6 ай бұрын

@@DukeTolgo so if im a cop I want these.... if im not a cop then it doesnt matter XD XD a shot gun is devastating .... if you want a calmer reaction use a different gun XD

@ncramz1662 2 ай бұрын

There’s pretty good reasons why people like flight control. Buckshot even with a tight group will perform better ballistically compared to a slug. Even if the pellets hit together in one group, they spread out the second they hit fluid or gel (aka people). You still get the benefits of a shotgun with tight spreads. Additionally, wider spreads increase the probability you miss pellets which is dangerous if you have neighbors or kids nearby. With tight spreads, where you point the gun is where the pellets go

@timg7627 2 ай бұрын

⁠@@prodbyjxff5724 A basic knowledge of terminal ballistics easily explains the answer to your question. a slug weighs about 450grains and single OO buck pellet weighs about 52grains. Which means the buck despite it delivering one ragged hole at close distance will not continue nearly as far beyond the target as a one ounce slug

@Bodybagbart 3 ай бұрын

Subbed 💪🏾

@CivilianWarrior 3 ай бұрын

Appreciate it

@smallbox679 6 ай бұрын

This guy seems like its a chore.. "dont want to have to shoot this shotgun shell twice.." what a great test if no conttol test and makikg chicken sounds. So fun. Liked the video but he seems mad at his job of doing this 😮

@jameserobbinsjr4037 2 ай бұрын

What optic are you using

@CivilianWarrior 2 ай бұрын

That one is a rmr type 2

@diverdan7350 Жыл бұрын

I love the NEW split screen action shot. But why do I get the impresssipn that my Mossberg 1980’s version “shorter barrel” destroys the target better?

@ArmedAndIndigenous 3 күн бұрын

#4 or #3 buck.

@fordanderson8391 8 ай бұрын

What redot are you running??

@CivilianWarrior 8 ай бұрын

Trijicon rmr type 2

@JTLoyd 6 ай бұрын

My fav is Hornady TAPS

@CivilianWarrior 6 ай бұрын

Thanks I'll have to check those out.

@CBDsutty Ай бұрын

“Hornady Critical Doody”

@jrwill58 Ай бұрын

Seems like a go-pro channel instead of a shooting channel. I think I'd prefer a pump rather than an autoloader, just my personal preference.

@blueXtwoplustwo 10 ай бұрын

So you were a Google employee before?

@CivilianWarrior 10 ай бұрын

🤫

@roberthallman1146 8 ай бұрын

Are you using a choke or is that just cylinder bore? Cause you get much better groups with a full choke. If no chokes Fed flight is your go to . I have Federal ammo of all types. Have the Hornady as well. I was getting wide patterens until i changed chokes. So now I leave one shotgun with a full choke by the bed, and another with a buck slug set up for the Mrs. So its a world of hurt coming in my house.

@dalemuzingo799 Ай бұрын

No you don't