More Stuff You Should Know About Buckshot [Part 2]

Today we're continuing our deep dive into the topic of using buckshot for personal protection. In this second and final installment, we're looking at what buckshot is made of (literally) and the advantages of using tight-patterning buckshot over slugs or a carbine.
Be sure to check out Buckshot Part 1 if you missed it: • Stuff You Should Know ...

[@antdjones05]

“A single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in an immediate change of behavior.” Now that’s a quote I can get behind! Love it! 😂

[@boomstckoperators1218]

Exactly

[@Ray-cr1kx]

EXACTLY

[@redlock4004]

An end of all behavior.

[@youknow9092]

“Pistols put holes in people. Rifles put holes through people. Shotguns, the right load at the right range will physically remove a chunk from your opponent and throw it on the floor behind him, and you will have to get someone to come clean it up with a shovel.” -Raw Clint Thunder Ranch

[@jeremiahhively3025]

Best comment on the entire internet

[@johngifford7725]

"A single round of buckshot to the torso, almost always results in an immediate change of behavior." Lol, amen.

[@ewallperschwaznyk4169]

And that's exactly why I will do the exact opposite of this video. The average homeowner when pulling that trigger will need all the disbursement he/she can get.

[@jwillrogers]

Can we all please give Lucky Gunner some kind of award for the work they do? The info is unbiased, clear, concise, and relevant.

[@numnut1516]

Buy from them?

[@JohnB-dr8sk]

I like Lucky Gunner's videos, but he and John at Active Self Protection are acting like scared Millennials raised on too much "zero tolerance" in schools. Overly paranoid about one buckshot round not hitting like a laser. A shotgun works great because it spreads and give a higher hit probability under stress. Plus, that pellet spread maximizes damage and stopping the bad guy immediately. These scare-dy cats should just buy a pistol caliber carbine or an AR instead of putting out all of this ridiculous information on using absurd Flitecontrol rounds at 10 feet away. Flitecontrol was developed to give tighter patterns for law enforcement and hunters at 30-50 yards. It was not meant for home defense at 10-20 feet where it essentially acts like a slug. Buckshot that tight is going to overpenetrate at very close range.

[@btglass60]

Great informative video great

[@Kidneyjoe42]

@@JohnB-dr8sk It's also worth noting that, depending on the context, you aren't actually legally responsible for every projectile that leaves your firearm. While it's certainly of no comfort to anyone inadvertently hit, the way felony murder works often puts the criminal liability for stray rounds on the attacker that provoked the shot in the first place. This is less true of civil liability but it's still a factor even there. Ultimately though, you can never guarantee you're actually going to hit your target anyway. They could always move unexpectedly at an inopportune time. So all the worrying about stuff like over penetration is largely misguided considering the actual way to not hit someone you don't want to is to not shot towards them in the first place. If you don't want to shoot your own child, don't gamble on your ammo not going all the way through the bad guy or not having any flyers. Instead, don't shoot straight in to your kid's bedroom wall.

[@vipe650r]

@@JohnB-dr8sk I agree with the concern about buck shot acting like a slug at close range. That's not ideal. But, at the same time, I've made peace with the fact that every round I'm going to use in pretty much platform is going to go through the few layers of dry wall WHEN I miss with a pellet or a 9mm round or (God forbid) an entire 12 gauge shot. It's going to be on me to make sure that I change my angle so that isn't an issue. I can drop to a knee so any missed pellets are well over my sleeping kid's head, should it go through the wall. I can step off line so that it goes into the other wall and peppers my wife's stack of towels in the closet instead of the guest room. I have responsibilities the bad guys doesn't. And that sucks, but life sucks. I'm the master of my house and my environment. I'll do the best I can to not miss, I won't be scared of every pellet, but I will take responsibility for every pellet. It's on me to make sure that I can fail (miss) safely. And I can do a lot to control that.

[@rre9121]

12:15 "a round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in a change of behavior" If by "behavior" you mean "the persistence of life" and by "change" you mean specifically "the cessation of" then yes.

[@Uberragen21]

I laughed to myself when he said that, because I was thinking this exact thing. I think that was his point without being so blunt about it.

[@ricksanchez9669]

Go watch some police interactions. Sometimes it doesn't...not as fast as you would think anyways. They definitely stop and reconsider their life choices though.

[@notrightmeow3357]

That’s also like having a “significant emotional event”.

[@LuckyGunner]

For self-defense, our goal isn't to kill, it's to make the person stop doing whatever they're doing. Buckshot tends to do that whether or not the person survives the blast.

[@rre9121]

@@LuckyGunner I understand that, but unfortunately we don't have many ways of doing the first reliably that doesn't stand a significant chance of also inducing the second. I honestly wish it wasn't that way, but we don't get to make those decisions.

[@Sarge_72]

How this channel isn’t over 1M yet is mind boggling - some of the best, most well presented content out there.

[@tangoliberty2344]

I absolutely agree !!!

[@AssassinNaivara]

An unfortunate causality of the All mighty Algorithm. May he have mercy on us all.

[@Get2KnowArt]

Consider ourselves lucky.

[@BradfordHills]

He is one of the sharpest tacks out there!

[@Starwarman1]

No big explosions or gold platted 1911

[@6Sally5]

Paul Harrell recently referred to your 9th pellet flier and, in addition to complimenting you, agreed with you on the oddity of this phenomenon.

[@MakaveliThaDonKilluminati]

Paul harrel is simply the best

[@bmphil3400]

It's not really an oddity. The group of pellets in the shell is more uniform if packed in groups of 8. If the lead pellet is not plated and harder more pellets will deform...one usually more than the others. Buffered, hardened,good shot cup, plated. Expensive buckshot but patterns really well.

[@jason200912]

It is an oddity because there are 3 layers of 3 stack pellets. Why is only one row having a single fly off while the other 2 rows have their perfect group pellets

[@bobnewbery8133]

How about aiming at the abdomen? It should be effective and change the angle of any overpenatrion toward the ground?

This is a GREAT series on buckshot and shotguns. You've effectively compressed 5 years of shotgun experience into these videos. *Well done, thank you.*

[@tufftrucker40]

Excellent information. I have first hand experience using Rio buckshot on a home intruder many years ago, it performed very good at the distance I had to shoot ( about 25 ft) the entire load hit the intruder high in the upper chest and shoulder on his right side and he went down fast and was out of the fight without another shot being fired. The guy survived the wound but was crippled permanently and later died in prison from another inmate assaulting him.

[@coreybrady4541]

Many interesting things here. 1 your comment has no replies after being posted for a year. 2 you have actually experienced a home invasion as well as shooting that person. 3 you survived court. I’m interested in that. Did you do any jail time? Did you have a trial? Did the intruder try to sue? What state/country are you in? Any repercussions from intruder or their friends/family?

[@tufftrucker40]

@@coreybrady4541 when this happened I was around 12 yo. I didn't get arrested or get in any sort of trouble. I did have to go to to the man's trial and speak to the court about what had happened as a victim/witness but at the time I didn't feel much like a victim . I'm 54 yo now and I wouldn't want to have to do this again but I wouldn't hesitate if put into this situation once again. I live in a small town in the Midwest now but this happened when my family lived in reno Nevada.

[@uncletrick1]

"A single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in an immediate change of behavior." Truer words were never spoken.

[@1337fraggzb00N]

"A quick death stops most attackers almost immediately." - My German instructor 🤣

[@phillhuddleston9445]

The important word is almost, always plan for it to take multiple shots and don't stop until you are sure the threat has ended, you may even miss even though you think you hit your target.

[@bigd7861]

1st shot stops the life threat... 2nd shot stops the legal threat... 😒

[@nightmarethunderfist]

You've taught me so much about shotgun ammunition in two videos. Thank you for mentioning the 9th pellet flyer

[@jackieeastom8758]

It’s called TERMINAL RESPONSIBILITY! They used to teach it at a remedial level. Not so much anymore but it’s nice to see you teaching it.

[@scottfeltner6066]

Shotguns. Most useful firearm ever made. Hunt anything that runs or flies with the variety if ammo available.

[@Abby_Normal_1969]

"a single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in a change of behavior' might be the best sentence in both episodes. A target dropping to the ground while his 2 or 3 hommies defecate themselves is certainly a change in behavior.

[@johnwebb7411]

It has the same energy as the chieftain saying being hit by a tank shell even if it doesn't penetrate is a significant emotional event.

[@chrisboyd1408]

I was in the military for over 22 years and we used a 9 pellet buckshot now it's good to know that the 8 pellet is better thank you for teaching us something many of us did not know.

[@donalddallavalle8826]

Darn, had to watch this twice. Been shooting for 50 years, and LG taught me more about shotgun ammo than I knew. Thank you, Lucky G........!

[@scottwinkler2466]

For a guy that looks like a craft brewer from Portland, Oregon, Chris really knows his way around firearms. Great tutorials.

[@TheMuffs2004]

I use 00 Buck but in a pinch, such as no buckshot available due to an ammo shortage, #4 Turkey load will seriously mess an attacker up within the confines of a home as well. I used to work for the local S.O. as the shift SGT in their jail. Our training Lt, who is also certified by the state to teach pistol, rifle and shotgun courses, showed me some autopsy pictures of a guy who broke into the wrong house at 3:30 am a few counties over. Homeowner had an 18" barrel model 500 loaded with #4 Winchester Turkey loads instead of buckshot because this was during the middle of the big ammo shortage a few years back and finding buckshot in our area was about as easy as finding .22 lr was for the rest of the country. First shot hit the guy in the upper right arm. Wasn't much of it left other than the pieces of skin keeping the rest from falling to the ground. Second, round hit the guy center mass which immediately resulted in his involuntary compliance to the homeowners wishes to stop firing a .22 revolver at him. Both shots were from approximately 20 ft and at that distance the #4 turkey load was nothing short of devastating. It is also of note that the perp had enough meth and other drugs going through his system to give a large horse superpowers. Which explains why he was able to ignore the destruction of his right arm and keep firing.

[@tylertapp131]

3 inch #4 turkey load is bad medicine for alot of stuff. Been usin it for years. I've always defaulted to 00 buck for home defense but I'd have no issues at all runnin turkey load for it any time. It's a damn good load.

[@westcoastwarriorsarchive7929]

and this right here is why a home defense gun should be loaded with good lethal ammo. Someone who thinks ill just rubber buckshot, or baton round or rock salt the bad guy into compliance are in for a rude awakening if it turns out they are faced with someone out of their mind on meth or other drugs.

[@theman21030]

And it’s appropriate using turkey loads for a turkey.

[@craigwilliamsSeekTheLord]

I think that slugs are good for boars and bears, but not for many of us when it comes to home defense. Thanks for these videos, I appreciate your discretion and knowledge. May God bless you, sir, and watch over you and your family.

[@thatrandomyoutubechannel]

Absolutely the best video I've seen on the topic. Outstanding job at presenting pertinent information that almost anyone with or without firearms training can comprehend. I love the no nonsense, cut straight to the chase approach on your presentation. Great job and thank you for this top notch content.

[@dougmapper3306]

To add to your rifle/carbine vs shotgun notes: In the aftermath of a self-defense shooting, having used grandpappy's 12ga pump instead of a big scary black rifle might win you some sympathy points in a jury trial if you live in a place where your freedom might come down to that.

[@meanman6992]

If you feel that’s relevant in your geopolitical area, and you’re fine with potentially handicapping yourself to potentially appease others opinions, then go for it.

[@blackhawk65589]

@@meanman6992 A shotgun is one of the best long arm you can use in a building. Slugs drops guys, even with armor on

[@terrencewrigley6024]

@@meanman6992 shotguns are not a handicap. I've seen animals hit with rifles up to 300win mags and 12ga slugs do much more damage. Buckshot is it's own thing and is hard to compare to rifles. More holes = faster put downs. I can land shots on paper at 100 yards with the bead sight. I also find shotguns faster to aim and easy to swing on moving targets. There's a reason many people choose to use shotguns when expecting fast moving targets in close. It's like comparing fly fishing to spin fishing. I know I'm talking about hunting but deer are human size.

[@lordofthepigs888]

@@terrencewrigley6024 odd that you say that. Anecdotally, I’ve never had any brand of hollowpoint slugs consistently expand in a breathing target. Even ones that do well in gel tests. On the other hand, I’ve never had .300 blackout fail to expand

[@freedomridermorty4459]

For home defense it all comes down to were you live, which Firearm works the best. You must always consider over penetration. You should fully understand the laws and legal rights you have. There's one certainty that you must follow, don't wound a home invader. You must terminate the threat or threats as this invader will turn the tables on your in the courtroom. Hopefully the invader bleeds out prior to Medical attention. Make sure your a member of the USCCA or equivalent . Call your Attorney and never speak to Law Enforcement. Thanks Lucky Gunner for a great educational video.

[@joshcook5268]

love the versatility of a shotgun. nice to have the ability to switch from buckshot to a slug for a longer shot

[@e.foster1284]

Added to my list of keeper quotes: "A single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in an immediate change of behavior. " Thanks for that!

[@curtisholland3213]

"One shot of 00 Buck will likely cause a change of behavior.." 😆 love it!! I'm gonna write that one down!

[@swaghauler8334]

Another good video Sir! I think you are the first person to actually talk about the "quirks" of buckshot (it's response to chokes, the 9th pellet flier, and the difference between buffered and unbuffered shot) on KZbin. I've seen a fair amount of stuff about Birdshot but not Buckshot.

[@swaghauler8334]

@Tzuede Off the Cuff A lot of semiautos won't cycle birdshot. You're not alone.

[@NotHunterCooper]

I subbed right after you guys put out the OG Beretta 1301 content and have been impressed at your quality videos ever since. I'm one of the few members of my department that still carry both a shotgun and patrol rifle on duty and absolutely love to shoot shotgun. I truly believe that aside from taking a course, the best shotgun training is to browse the KZbin's for a bootleg "Art Of The Dynamic Shotgun" and get a handful of dummy shells. Another often overlooked advantage to me is the ability to administrative reload without losing the ammo already loaded. A pistol or typical modern rifle require you to drop the box magazine to insert a new one.

[@OGsDangerShow]

I own that set of DVDs and love them. Watch them all the time. The training never gets old, unlike the actors. I too am issued a rifle and shotgun at work. Prefer the shotgun for “felony stop” distances. We load Federal FliteControl 9 pellet. I feel pretty well armed with that thing. In fact, one sits under my bed right now. 😎👍

[@sledgehammer8146]

Sorry, Chris - I should have also mentioned that I love your channel. You are very professional and I always find something useful in your teaching. Keep up the great work.

[@zoeyshoots]

Great channel. Today's topic was probably one of my favorites. I use a shockwave in 20 gauge... Sleeps in bed with me... Various other calibers stashed between my bedroom and the front door. 👍

[@RCFlyBoy314]

Solid, logical explanations and reasoning as usual. Thank you, glad I found this channel

[@Rocknranchman]

Great information to know especially about 9 vs 8 buckshot pellets and effects. Thanks for sharing this!

[@AdamLund]

So glad I found this channel. With so many "first time" buyers equipping shotguns for home defense due to the peaceful protests, without any experience with shooting shotguns, I hope they find this video. I really like that you cover both ammunition types and chokes. I am curious what your thoughts are on the Olin Mfr "military" 9-pellet 00 rounds as compared to those covered in the 2 videos. The discussion about chokes likely saved me some cash; which I'll gladly pay forward at your web store.

[@oldschool9932]

Neutralizing the threat 8 - 00 Buck at a time. Thank you Chris for sharing.

[@darthkek1953]

008 ... it's even a bit better than 007

[@docmorace1315]

i don't usually post comments but i watch and read virtually all your stuff( couldnt think of a better word , no offense intended. ). very professional, and informative. thanks guys. keep up the good work.

[@mkw2555]

I really liked this series. I have quite a lot of experience with handgun and riffle but know next to nothing about shotguns. I learned a lot and wanted to thank you 👍

[@Rubberweasel]

To paraphrase James Yeager "shotgun fights usually don't last very long".

[@bigd7861]

Because if someone isn't dead, they're out of ammo! 😂

[@richardbriscoe8563]

An ounce and an eighth or ounce and a quarter at 1,200 FPS or thereabouts puts a lot more energy into the BG than a 230 gr.45 ACP round. To top it off, a shoulder fired weapon is easier to operate under stress at close quarters. That’s not to say you shouldn’t keep your handgun close by if you are proficient with it, but a load of buckshot properly placed is more likely to bring the confrontation to an end. As always, good information. Thank you!

[@zoeyshoots]

Don't mean to but in, however I just want to say that I bought a 20 gauge shockwave... I used to keep my 40 under my pillow, but I'm getting older now, and I know the shockwave takes a lot of the guesswork out of the situation... 2 years ago it was under $300. Today I have seen them for sale for over $700.... of course I don't keep the shockwave under my pillow, she sleeps between me and my wife now. LOL. Very good thread. Thank you

[@jamiesloan5902]

I can tell you that from my experience, with my shotgun, the Flight Control ammo patterns slightly best with Improved Cylinder(.720), instead of Cylinder(.730). I think this slight restriction keeps the shot cup inline with my point of aim a little better, without stripping it, which would happen with too much choke restriction. As for standard buckshot loads... My shotty patterns the best using an Improved Modified(.705), but a Full(.700) comes in close second. #4 buckshot patterns best using a .680, or a .690 choke. You provided some excellent info in these 2 videos, regarding buckshot. Maybe you dispelled a few "myths". Love your channel.

[@westcoastwarriorsarchive7929]

I like to call that 9th flyer the "crazy ivan" though thats mainly talking about boxes of russian steel case ammo, each box comes with a single crazy ivan flyer round.

[@nbip2845]

The lucky throat shot.

[@ericferguson9989]

"The bullet is foolish, the bayonet wise."

[@kentwilliams4152]

Federal Premium was the most consistent of all we tested. Since our armed encounters tended to be at distance tight, consistent patterns served us best. However, for urban environments pattern spread can be very beneficial, especially if an assailant is moving. If a really tight pattern is desired then one should choose a rifled slug.

[@BruceMusto]

As always, the information is presented in a concise, logical, and easy to understand matter. Great job Chris.

[@dukebeach1]

I like that even though you have 700+ hours of training, you remain humble and encourage viewers to question. I would venture to guess that 95% of the people watching this content have less than 25 hours of actual training.

[@nagaviper1169]

Flight control is when I keep the wings straight and level....opps, wrong channel.

[@wasntmeXYZ]

The Flying Backpack you don’t wanna do any California landings!! 🚁 💨💨

[@RustyOpel]

Lol well I also subscribe to many flight channels so all good here.

[@coiledsteel8344]

The Flying Backpack - Like "Gun Control" is keeping your Gun on Target!

[@havocproltd]

@Green Giant ...really? im not saying you're wrong. I'm saying you didn't have to hit the REPLY button. just saying...

[@markchoate9021]

I really enjoyed this dual video series. Very informative and you have changed my mind-set on tight patterns vs wider patterns. Thanks.

[@yeetskeet2606]

First time seeing this Chanel and subscribed first minute I love the talk

[@nickgalnares6303]

This is by far one of the best channels for honest gun talk that doesn't drag politics into it

[@gravydippedgrab-handles7194]

Absolutely fantastic video. I can’t believe I only just found this channel. Instant subscribe. 👍🏼

[@craigr.h.laurent240]

Once again, Ithank you for your comprehensive review. Your information is clearly and completely stated without hesitation. Again, thank you!

[@rodrigodepierola]

Great video and channel. It's always interesting for people outside the US to see how having drywall as construction material comes into play. Here in Perú, for instance, you go from shanties made of cardboard or reed mats to brick when you leave all but the most destitute of poverty.

[@turkaras5003]

This Guy knows what he is talking about It . very clean explanation no mumbling like many others straight to the point well done .

[@VTPSTTU]

I seem to remember someone doing a demonstration with shotguns at various distances. When the pellets didn't spread at all before hitting the target, they seemed to penetrate completely and be more of a danger of over-penetration. I think I'd prefer a spread of about three inches when my pellets hit the target. Inside a home, I don't think I need anything special to get that spread. The Federal low recoil loads with the FlyteControl wads are nice rounds though. If I can get them cheaply enough, I like them.

[@JaronActual]

This is correct. If the pellets don't spread at all, they act more like a slug upon impact. But it only takes a spread of a few inches to make them act like individual projectiles rather than one large mass.

[@VTPSTTU]

@@JaronActual Thanks!

[@GooGlyCHieF]

Yep, the birdshot wax slugs shown by Taofledermaus demonstrate the effect of combined mass fairly well.

[@immikeurnot]

I doubt this. They're going to spread rapidly after impact for the same reason rifle bullets like to tumble.

[@immikeurnot]

@Travis Thacker "Other then that they are made for Police use for ease of training and costs." Huh, what? Are you trying to say the Flitecontrol buckshot is cheaper than the normal stuff? No. no no no.

[@powernoodle1224]

Best gun guy on KZbin. Thoughtful, mature, and evidence-based.

[@dakotalafrance3618]

I understand the main objective is to "Stop the threat" and not necessarily to kill. However, I believe it may depend on the local laws of where you live. The survival of a physical threat in your home may become a financial threat in the courtroom.

[@tonyb3848]

We have to say you shoot to “stop the threat” because telling people you should shoot to kill is bad optics

[@MrEazyE357]

Not something most people will talk about but that doesn't mean it's not true.

[@phillhuddleston9445]

It's often easier to kill someone than stop them right there, if you kill them and they don't know they are dead (fatal wound) then they kill you right back it didn't do you any good. Most fatal wounds do not instantly incapacitate the attacker that is why you don't just want to kill them you want to stop them from being able to kill or injure you or other innocent people whether it kills them or not that is irrelevant. You may get lucky and stop them or make them leave with just pain or fear alone but you can never count on that that is why lower powered guns such as the .22LR and .25 ACP are poor choices for self defense.

[@828enigma6]

I bought a Mossberg Shock Wave for a near blind friend. It patterned as well or better than longer barreled/choked guns. Due to her visual impairement, I had to find the load with the most spread. That was Winchester military load overruns with 9 pellets. Rio 00 was a close second. Wow be into whoever tries to break into her house.

[@flyingdutchman8371]

Oh my gosh, can see it now... *Noise in the night wakes her up* "Who's there? I'm warning you, I'm armed!" Cue the neighborhood cat staring at her with a blank look on its face, only to nearly be exploded by #00 buckshot and running all the way into the next county, then the police show up, expecting a firefight, and then try explaining to her she wasn't being robbed, it was probably just an animal. Then, the Liberals collectively lose their minds because a single pellet slightly grazed the bush bordering her neighbor's house.

[@garyfischer4357]

"Immediate change of behavior". Perfect.

[@barnaclebill1615]

The excellence in this video just compliments Part 1. Thanks again for the very in depth yet easy to understand info. 😁👍👍

[@AllTheDips]

Anyone ever shot a 12ga in a house with no ear protection?? Hello can you hear me?

[@J_Du]

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[@LuckyGunner]

I'd rather shoot a 12 gauge indoors than an AR.

[@rickquist3992]

@@LuckyGunner Roger that. +1

[@bryanshaw4434]

With a muzzle brake!

[@locomike102]

No, but I've had a TON of them go off right next to my head in the duck blind. People worry way too much about shooting inside houses.

[@coreywinters8939]

started watching these videos years ago. then recently bought ammo from you. Thanks for all the videos and work.

[@8NightKillers]

I’ve had weird experiences with federal flight control, i always pick out different ammo to pattern to see how I like different loads for home defense and federal flight control 9 pellet 00buck doesn’t pattern that well in my gun, it always gives 2 flyers (Usually within an inch of each other) 5” away from the single hole where the wad and 7 pellets went through at 8yards (longest possible shot in my house) however I’ve heard of people getting single holes on paper at up to 15 yards. My new defensive load is federal 2 3/4” 12pellet 00buck because it consistently put all pellets with in a 5” circle at 8 yards and if I’m going to have the same spread then might as well go with the extra pellets with more evenly spread pellets throughout the pattern. Just goes to show that you always need to pattern your own gun My shotgun is cyl bore 18.5” rem 870

[@InWithBothFeet]

Probably already been said, but the one argument against a 5.56 carbine was using overseas military experience to say that multiple shots were needed to stop a threat. The military is limited by the Geneva Conventions to non-expanding bullets that punch a pencil sized hole. Not so in a home defense situation. Change that to a bullet designed to expand and create a much larger wound channel than an FMJ is capable of and the result would be different.

[@R_K_S2401]

You are speaking the truth. My personal favorite 5.56 load is the 75 or 77 grain OTM. But for close-range punch I definitely prefer 00 buckshot.

[@AlastorTheNPDemon]

"Unconscious competence." I like that term!

[@Jamal_dont_mess]

I am a new shotgun owner, which I bought with the purpose of farming protection and hunting. I am happy to find this channel as I am learning so much.My shotgun is the Turkey made Armalegant pump action. Still familiarizing with it though.

[@MrJhart25]

Paul Harrell brought me here.

[@patrick6935]

Me too.

[@mattwalters6834]

Same

[@cielopachirisu929]

This was one of the most informative buckshot videos I've ever seen, thank you! Had no idea how useful shot cups were up until now

[@blorph1]

Interesting how the 9 pellet buck is more likely to have a 'flier' pellet than 8 pellet buck. Thank you for making these videos for us.

[@zackdoc]

Great job....as always. Thanks for the quality ammo I bought from you last week: good price & only took 3 days over the weekend. Stay healthy everyone!

[@jivadaya6439]

I love my shotty, so much fun, so intense, definitely going to get the nod if the SHTF at the house

[@flip97gt]

I have an NFA registered Benelli Super Nova Tactical with a 14.5in barrel. I use Honady Low Recoil Tap in it with good results. At 45 feet, it patterns just over 5-1/4 inches. I also chronograph that load out of the shorter barrel. It leaves the barrel at 933 fps.

[@calebclark6739]

I learned a lot the last 2 videos. Thanks

[@robertgraham2656]

I think that was the best explanation of why a shotgun is great for home defense that I've ever heard and I've watched tons of videos on the subject. I could use any of the weapons described in this video for home defense but I use a shotgun. It just seemed like the best choice intuitively but it makes much more sense logically based on this video. Thank you!

[@thereindeertherabbitthebat592]

I wouldn't mind seeing some testing on slugs. Particularly the higher velocity, softer lead, foster slugs. In my experiences when shooting slugs like Remington Sluggers, they seem to fragment fast & dump their energy pretty fast as well. That might not keep harmful projectiles from penetration interior walls inside your home but I couldn't imagine much leaving the outer walls of your home & reaching anything outside, including neighbors homes. If you live alone or your position in house has any relevance to the direction of your intended shots, this could def be a possibility. Weather you plan on using a shotgun, carbine or pistol, you most likely wouldn't be shooting any of them in a direction that could be unsafe to those others living/ sleeping in your home. No matter the weapon, we should always be target aware & conscious of what is behind it, right? So bc of their predictability & effectiveness, maybe slug tests? Just a thought... 🤔 Thanks for the awesome content guys 👍 and keep it up!

[@bushcraftnorthof6012]

TheReindeer TheRabbitTheBat this past summer there was a man shot in the leg inside his own home. Was a .12 gauge slug from a wildlife officer trying to kill a black bear in Fort Simpson, Northwest Territories, Canada.

[@bushcraftnorthof6012]

@Travis Thacker www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/bear-fort-simpson-shot-man-1.5294573

[@guygourley2411]

Hitchcock 45 shot Remington 1 oz. slugs at a 1" or maybe 1 1/2" pressboard table top at 230 yards. Those slugs bored a nice big ol' hole in that wood. Open sights as well. I was very surprised.

[@scottroder5516]

@@guygourley2411 but how many Hickock 45s are out there. I wish I could shoot like him.

[@brianlojeck]

If you look around youtube, there's an old series called "The Box Of Truth". They did a lot of drywall-penetration testing on various ammo... it was always eye-opening.

[@gepacc]

It's gross how underrated this channel is. Just give in a little and make the popular vids that feed off the hype to get more subscribers and then go back to the good and honest content we've been seeing.

[@jalexwheeler7751]

000 When it absolutely, positively, has to go down right now. And you are out of slugs.

[@marksd5650]

Brilliant, I consider your videos among the very best produced by anyone. So thank you again, and I look forward to the next. I have never shot a shotgun, but look forward to it some day soon. I’m 64 and coming to shooting late in life, but I’m feeling as though it’s what our world now demands. I enjoyed your wry sense of humor vis-a-vis the change in behavior a buckshot round will produce. All my best.

[@clintonholenstein9348]

"9th pellet flier" reminds me of my morning squat on the throne. Good info though!

[@125AXer]

Really good pair of videos, answered some questions, and convinced me to bring the 12GA back out of hibernation.

[@alejandroflores-samaniego9320]

i love me shottys so much i have four 😎🤷🏽‍♂️, i need to buy a all wood stock. that mossberg 590a1 retro looks pretty sick

[@floydi9709]

Hi Chris. Just wanted to complement you on these 2 videos. As a guy with many more hours of shotgun training than the 100 you have been exposed to, I have to say I agree with everything you said. There's a lot of YT videos out there and most propagate a number of well known and not so well known shotgun myths. It's nice to see someone properly articulate the reasons why in the right hands a shotgun is the superior choice for HD.

[@celebmrk9]

I was really impressed when I patterned my Mossberg 500 SP with the Federal flight control...at 25 good paces, I had to walk up and do a double look, basically a fist sized hole. I thought I missed...my practice Spartans were at 8". But still the Spartans would do well within my abode too...but yeah, love the boomstick

[@surfingonmars8979]

Always logical, clear, concise, informative and well-presented. Great vid.

[@bajajoaquin]

"If you want a tight pattern without having to buy specialty ammo, you should instead get expensive custom gunsmithing."

[@kennieminski7080]

One time large expense vs. continuous small expenses. Your choice is up to your circumstances and opinion.

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

The idea is that I get the Vang Comp service once, and no matter where I go I can find buckshot. But I won't have to search for special buckshot. It's not a matter of expense, it's a matter of supply.

[@bigsean2473]

@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz yeah but now your shot gun can only shoot like they tuned it. i want to be able to do more than one shot pattern with mine for different situations.

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

@@bigsean2473 okay...then *dont* get your gun Van Comp'd. It's an option, not a requirement. I personally have a M590A1 with a Accu-Choked brrl, I dont want my gun to be back-bored (I presume thats what vang comp does, thats what the ol timers do), but some people do.

[@kent3779]

Thanks Chris for all of your hard work! Great, informative video

[@Art-st1qv]

I would most definitely be using lucky gunner for all my ammo needs if I didn’t live in California. 😫

[@theduranimal13]

same dude same....

[@8pointbear753]

Or new york

[@theduranimal13]

digital1911 you wanna pay for me to move? It’s not that simple

[@Front-Toward-Enemy]

Why? They are more expensive across the board than other websites.

[@bertofehr]

@@8pointbear753 We can still buy online in n.y. Lucky Gunner even ships here. Except NYC, Buffalo & Rochester. I live in the bordering town of Buffalo & they ship here. Same for Target sports USA. Which has better prices than LG. IMO...

[@manatee5936]

These videos are a gem of well articulated information, thank you

[@mattkemerait]

That little guy? I wouldn't worry about that little guy.

[@magnetar2524]

Mattycakes yeah, let me get a liter of cola!

[@martinbaumgardner4432]

Vote for Pedro

[@joshkinzie]

Team ramrod!

[@brianlinville5420]

Ccs rock men bulletproofing is the top same guys that make are flak jackets

[@charlietobin8728]

From the 1st time I’ve watched chris he’s always been very straight forward and level headed in his direction the way he presents all the info about guns,,,,😊😊😊

[@mafistowaltz4857]

I Really enjoyed This video!!!

[@valkry007]

"when a person is exposed to a single round of buckshot it almost always results in an immediate change in behavior" ! LOL

[@randwillard3719]

Having been a competitive skeet shoot many years ago I reloaded thousands of rounds that included hand loading a variety non-skeet loads, some with buckshot loads. One of my favorites was a .410 with four #00 Buck loaded in a full cup plastic wad. It's a tight pattern because they're lined up. Four 33 caliber balls at 1,200 fps is very formidable. Using a 2x4 for testing proved it very impressive. 4 holes in & one big hole out, similar to 8 holes from a 12ga. The recoil difference between a .410 and 12ga is night and day, especially for smaller framed women. For a light gun with a light load and a light kick it has a heavy impact and plenty of stopping power.

[@billbrunscher8754]

I love Your work. I might have missed it but how about a review of number 4 Buck Vs. OO

[@harrypeterson9287]

#4 is extremely effective at home defense distances and has a reduced risk of hurting others through walls and obstacles compared to 00 buck. These kinds of guys are more rooted in theory and numbers than basic reality. It's a nerdy cult of ballistics and to disagree out of common sense will have you struck down as a science denier! For example, treating 12 inches of penetration in gel as gospel while ignoring the fact that a .32acp that goes 12 inches in gel might be stopped by the cell phone in your shirt pocket while the 9mm hollow point that only goes 11 inches in gel will punch through and reach vitals. In their minds the .32 is still the 'scientifically' more effective cartridge. Another thing is Flite control buckshot inside the home. Do you really want let alone need a 1 inch pattern at 10 yards? A little spread will help increase the chances of hitting an off switch in the body and help decrease unnecessary penetration through walls or obstructions in the event of a miss.

[@ksdad2two]

I prefer "Dragon's Breath " and a fire extinguisher!

[@vincebyobscuba]

Who the hell disliked this objective presentation of unbiased information?

[@EtherFox]

Gel test the #4 Buck!

[@PopBubbleWrappable]

Outstanding video, as well as part 1. I feel a 12 gauge is by long and far the best home defense weapon of choice for not all but most homeowners, and you've explained why far more informative than I ever could have.

[@philippefrater2000]

Got my trusty 24 inches Maverick 88 loaded and ready in my bedroom corner. Firts one is 00, the following are Slugs... That's the way i see it. 🖖🏻🇫🇷😎🇫🇷🤪🇫🇷🖖🏻

[@troy9477]

Good point on choke tubes. I have found over the years that an IC choke tube on my 20" 870 helps the patterns a bit, and i also get good slug accuracy. Modified didn't make any more difference, and full choke patterns seemed a little larger. I stuck with the IC because you don't want much constriction with slugs, nor do you want lead shaving off in the choke tube. The Flitecontrol is very effective. I tested it for my former agency (at my expense) 10 or 12 yrs ago. It is almost astounding from a cylinder bore out to 15 yds, and the pattern is very usable to 25 yards or farther. Great point on the 8 pellet patterns- those were some amazing patterns you had. Lots of hurt when the pellets are close together.

[@Red-vn4xq]

I agree, the 20 guage is the home defense weapon I encourage people to use for home defense. Charles Daly semi will suffice, cheap protection for home use only.

[@BigE410]

Why not just use regular bird shot for in the house? Close range should keep it pretty tight and if one gets loose it wouldn’t have much energy once it hits a wall or something. Serious question.

[@markchidester6239]

An immediate change of behavior, love it! Great video! This should be taught in highschool

[@jonathanschubert9052]

To be fair with .223 in home defense, you can use hollow p[oint unlike the military

[@michaelblacktree]

Exactly. The soldiers have to shoot multiple times, because they're stuck with FMJ.

[@willypeter8861]

FMJ is like ice picking a guy. Varmint rounds are like a bomb going off in the threat.

[@jonathanschubert9052]

check out what a 40 grn varmageddon does to ballistics gel. you get some pretty quick behavioral modification out of that, too

[@bertofehr]

77gr smk all day..

[@alexanderm8880]

@@bertofehr Amen.

[@okgentfarmer]

Good discussion and information in both videos. As a longtime Subscriber, I agree with an earlier comment about being bewildered as to why this channel doesn't have well over a million subscribers. I have a Remington A5 built in 1908 which after 1911 became known as the Model 11. It is in very good condition and serves as a very reliable coyote killer with #2 buckshot out to near 35 yards.

[@stever.747]

I always enjoy your presentations and learn from them too. Favorite is still the .32 caliber family video. Thx.

[@buzozburn3379]

Please do a competitive video , like this one, for #4 Buckshot. I've used #4 Buck for Personal Home Defense for 40+ years now, because the FBI used to prefer #4s for their Feild Agents Entry Teams.