What's The Best Road Power Meter?

[@kwacker45]

best most informative measured upload on power meters I've ever watched..genuinely extremely impressed

[@Timtimzi]

+kwacker45 Very informative and a scientific approach.

[@bikeradar]

+kwacker45 Thanks! Jamie did most of the hard work for the Procycling feature, but when he told us about it we knew we had to make a video too.

[@nagevshelfie30]

+kwacker45 needs 18 minutes to tell whats best?

[@bikeradar]

+Nagevshelfie We could have done that in 10 seconds. What's best *and* why? 18 minutes.

[@nagevshelfie30]

BikeRadar depends who you are asking. If you are deeply interested in all kinds of powermeters 18mins. If you just wanna hear which one you think, id say 2-3 mins

[@gibsonlespaul5709]

I'm taking a statistics class at my college right now. I must say, 3 power meters on every bike, you really wanted to drill the accuracy part of this experiment. Nice work haha glad somebody has the means of carrying out something so precise for all of us consumers.

[@sharpyt1]

best review of powermeters I've seen yet, thanks a lot guys.

[@redjumping]

+Tom Sharp Agreed. Excellent video

[@bikeradar]

+Tom Sharp Thanks!

[@jaykan1002]

Power2max type-s user here, some quick thoughts. -The distribution is brutal, took forever to get to ship out. -Battery swap isn't as bad as people make it out to be. My bottom bracket area isn't huge, so I don't need to take off my crankset. Even if I do, it's essentially just two allen bolt to remove (3D 24) -Because the 3d 24 crank arm only need two bolt to remove, swapping is actually VERY easy between bikes. Only issue of course is swapping between different kind of bike (road bike to say... gravel bike, where you may want a different gearing). -Auto calibration. I can't tell you how much I appreciate this. It makes your life a million times easier. If you're anything like me, you just want to go outside, hop on, and do your thing instead of standing there for 5min setting different things up on your phone and garmin, then just go get a Power2Max. Recently went out with a friend, and he needed to stop mid ride to calibrate his power meter because it was "off"... it really made me realized how bless I am to have auto calibration. His meter was telling him he was in Z1 when we were hitting more like Z3. So much for training. -Power data is very consistent. I have used it in the cold, warm, hot, rain, sunny, long distance, short distance, race, training, casual ride, sprint, turtle speed, everything. It simply works and consistent. -I personally opted for the Type-S instead of their newest rechargeable one because lithium ion battery has its issues as we all know it. One of the main concern for me is of course recharge life. The more times you charge a lithium ion battery, the less capacity it will eventually have (think laptops). I also prefer to be able to just carry a spare battery with me if I'm on a trip in a different country... or maybe even be able to buy a battery there and swap it in seconds. Yes, it is a somewhat specific battery, but I was able to find them in Radio Shacks in the US. Hope that helps, cheers!

[@Tarmac2021]

I'm looking to buy the Ngeco model....but I wonder if I would round chain rings or oval chain rings (rotor) can someone tell me if it's better? Can you stil have it band syndrome with a oval rotor chain rings???? thanks for you help!

[@kiribatichris]

One of the best gear reviews I have ever seen. Clear, concise pros and cons for each aspect of the selected power meters. Thanks.

[@chomptriscuits]

Who would thumbs down this video? So thorough and unbiased this review seems. Great job! Keep up the great work and super helpful content!

[@mmmStella]

+1 for Quarq as a company. I don't own the Elsa, but I did have an older S975 power meter that had an issue with moisture ingress when riding in the pouring rain that caused the power numbers to drop off. I had the power meter for about 3 years before this problem started. Contacted Quarq, and they quickly warranted replaced it with a new Riken, plus a load of free water bottles and stuff. From a customer service standpoint, you can't go wrong. And I'm still happy with the Riken; newer firmware updates eliminates the need for magnets to detect cadence.

[@plain-bagel]

On the Power2Max, you only have to remove the crank to change the battery if your bike has an overbuilt bottom bracket area. This is the case, for example, for my 2015 Tarmac SL. When I had the Power2Max mounted on my Tarmac SL2, however, I was able to access the battery compartment wth the cranks still installed. So, whether you have to remove the crank to change the battery depends on how large of a bottom bracket your frame has.

[@dannycarr2k]

Very true. My Cervélo P3 needs the crank removing, my Cannondale CAAD10 doesn't. I'd also question the comment in the video on the Praxis Works rings. They are universally well reviewed for being on par with Shimano. I know Shimano sets the bar high, but I've found the Praxis to be excellent.

[@alexandrecruz1109]

Guys, thank your for your will, time and hard working on gathering all these really precious information for us. Muito obrigado.

[@bikeradar]

+Alexandre Cruz Our pleasure. We love doing features like this!

[@phil2010uk]

Happy to see the elsa RS do so well, been using one for just under a year with zero issues... This just confirms it was the right choice!

[@Craigo5000]

Just sent my Gen1 Stages back after 12 months on an indoor trainer with flawless operation but did spend a week on my outdoor bike (since I bought a kickr). I hope they fix it or upgrade me as washing my bike let water in and broke it. I must say that their customer service so far has been outstanding. I'll update when I know more

[@snoreymccreeper]

Awesome video, guys! Picking up my Stages power meter later today. Can't wait.

[@woody9382000]

That's a hell of a review, excellent work! I have the Powertap P1, but even considering the flaws mentioned, they seem true given the data I'm getting compared to a hub I have used, I'm happy with my purchase.

[@shyammansukhani1224]

Power2Max type S user for 2 years. Flawless unit and an easy battery change (no crank removal) with a Cannondale CAAD10 frame.

[@jimpait1097]

I have a set of the PowerTap P1 pedals and have not had any of the issues that you mention in the video. You are correct, they were very easy to install and thus far, no issues with spikes in power. My one issue is that firmware update. This can be a bit of a pain. I've updated the firmware in one pedal, but for some reason the software won't update in the other pedal. I need to do some research on how to solve this problem.

[@jamiewilkinsracing]

+Jim Pait When doing the update via your iPhone (annoyingly that's the only device compatible with the app) you can select which pedal the app talks to. Make sure you wake them both and have them paired to your phone. We had the same problem to start with as the app isn't very intuitive and it isn't clear that you have to update them individually. Good that yours are working well.

[@etact8888]

Really comprehensive review! Way better than the GCN small talk and elementary guides. Thks.

[@Youtubefana]

Agreed GCN is just becoming like paid adverts now. And very useless videos from them in last six months.

[@leean6704]

there are different people, maybe you guys see gcn as useless and yeah I agree that bikeradar is very informative, but I believe you guys should not look down on gcn. To me and other group of people, gcn is more entertaining to watch, say no to hating :)

[@bikeradar]

+Lee An We agree with this sentiment. We're equipped and staffed to do certain things very well, and GCN are built to do other things very well. There's some overlap too, but plenty of space for both channels, we think.

[@Youtubefana]

+Lee An hi I am infact a big fan of GCN but still being honest... not many videos I remember that are of this quality + their earlier ones were indeed much much better. I don't see how this is hating at all. Not all not positive feedback needs to be termed as hating. GCN has slipped up on quality and information in my opinion

[@Youtubefana]

+BikeRadar And yes guys both of you can exist :) I usually watch both. But kudos for the improvement you have made from your earlier ones! To be frank they were not as interesting nor as informative. GCN sadly has gone the opposite way - from the most interesting, useful and fresh channel they are now looking only like paid adverts and stale jokes. Again no intent of any hate. Only stating my opinion.

[@michaelmcconnell4325]

Very good round up. So overall takeaways: 1) pedal systems not quite there but perhaps next iterations will mature 2) crank systems are most reliable but can be cumbersome to maintain and/or swap between bikes 3) Stages, Rotor (or perhaps 4iiii) is a suitable platform for a new, multi-bike PM customer??

[@jamiewilkinsracing]

+Michael McConnell Yep! Your circumstances and bike collection will influence your choice. If you have several bikes with different BBs, then the transferability of the Garmin Vector 2 will outweigh its imperfect performance.

[@chrispyy606060606]

Great review. I’ve owned PT G3 hub, stages, PTP1 pedals and the Garmin pedals. The only one that has been completely reliable has been the G3 hub. I’ve had to return one Gen 2 stages, a set of P1 pedals and now my Garmin Vector 3’s need to go back for a new set as the right pedal no longer calibrates. Save your sanity (and a ton of hassle) and buy a cheap PT G3 training wheel and a decent race wheel laced with a G3 hub. I have 50k on the PT G3 and it’s been absolutely perfect.

[@anthonyscott16]

Super thorough review! Great work man.

[@josevelez6510]

Great analysis, Very useful. I chose the power 2 max because of the campagnolo compatibility. SRM has to evolve a bit to compete with this new options.

[@bananiac]

Great review!

[@richardsonj96]

I just purchased and installed a rotor in power on my bike. It no longer under reads sprints. A software update did the trick nicely and is on par with my stages that it replaced.

[@DavidCulshawmer-r]

this is bikeradar doing what it does best , very interesting video / review of how things are ( and how things are shaping out ) in the cycling world , I don't even have a power meter but it was bloody interesting ;)

[@bikeradar]

+David Culshaw Thanks for saying so, it means a lot to us!

[@RixterNow]

Awesome video. One of your very best. I realize you can not review everything on the market, but if you get a chance, doing a review of the Gen 2 4iiii PM would be greatly appreciated

[@3DKiwi]

+Rixter I agree. I'm using a first generation 4iiii power meter.

[@jamiewilkinsracing]

+Rixter They couldn't get one to us in time for this group test but we will get a standalone review done asap, using this same three-at-a-time method and cross-referencing to what we learned doing this test.

[@RixterNow]

+Nigel Doyle Nigel, how do you like yours?

[@RixterNow]

+Jamie Wilkins That would be FANTASTIC!

[@3DKiwi]

Great. I train a lot indoors using Trainerroad and have made great gains in my fitness and strength.

[@RixterNow]

Surprised to hear the negative comments about the Praxis chainrings. I've always heard the opposite and mine perform really well.

[@AJHillis]

+Rixter Same, just replaced my old sram red 10sp chainrings with praxis and the shift quality is much better. The new FD is also helping though.

[@RixterNow]

+Alex Hillis Praxis and Shimano are the only 2 companies that have forged chainrings. It's a more expensive process and yields a more precise ring. BikeRadar reviewed them back in 2013 and rated them very highly

[@Hexsense]

right, using Praxis Buzz road ring and it perform superbly compare to Ultegra ring i used before changing the crank to Sram.

[@dannycarr2k]

I'd also question the comment in the video on the Praxis Works rings. They are universally well reviewed for being on par with Shimano. I know Shimano sets the bar high, but I've found the Praxis to be excellent.

[@PtWhiteBelt]

I second this. Didn't get the criticism at all.

[@ethansloss6854]

I've used a Powertap hub, SRM, stages and Garmin vector and I found SRM the most durable and accurate, but I really like the pedal stroke analysis on the vector so I have both on my bike. I don't use them both at once but you can notice the over reading in the Garmin. Now I'm curious to try a quark.

[@milankowalewsky5955]

What do you think about the 4iiii Power Meter Etixx Quickstep is using?

[@hairyhands35]

I've got a 4iii which I've had from July last year. gives similar power readings to what I was generating on a watt bike. had no problems with it and using the data has improved my performance. recommended.

[@Mustis1524]

Extremely informative video but I would have liked to have seen the PowerTap C1 included.

[@ronaldleoleo]

Definitely one of the best reviews I've ever seen, can't believe I'm watching this for free. Where to pay for the tickets?

[@bikeradar]

+Lun Hsieh Ha! We like your thinking! If you like this kind of thing and don't mind spending money on content then you could always pick up a subscription to Procycling magazine - www.myfavouritemagazines.co.uk/content/lp/digitalbundles/spo-procycling/

[@AngelValdovinos]

+Lun Hsieh internet isnt free m8

[@tualatindjep]

I started out using the Stages power meter along with a Garmin 520 bike computer and that combination worked well, however when I upgraded to the Garmin 820 it would drop data for RPM and Power numbers. Tech support from both Garmin and Stages was unable to resolve this, and I know that other cyclists with the Garmin 820 and Stages Cycling combination report similar data drops. I sold my Stages and upgraded to the Quarq power meter, which works flawlessly with either Garmin 520 or 820 bike computers.

[@leofonte]

I had the same issues with my stage. I bought a Quarq and it is just Perfect! Apparently Stages emitter is very weak, I mean the quality/power of the signal is very poor. The reception of the new Garmin series (520/820) is also weaker than the previous generation (510/810) so most of the new Garmins has this kind of drop data issues with Stages power meters. I was able to solve the problem installing the Garmin on the the top of the stem instead of in front of the handle bars. However I would say that Quarq, is much better than Stages. I would never buy or recommend a Stages again.

[@GregHilton]

I'd be *very* interested to see if the April P1 firmware update fixed the over reading you saw during an FTP test? 30.026 (Current), released April 21, 2016 When Autozero is set to off, the Installation Angle is no longer continuously calculated. This fixes the issue where power was inconsistent on very long climbs.

[@joegrif35]

This has been the most informative clip on power meters that I found on KZbin . . . very helpful. Can you say if will be a review of the BePro Power Meter any time soon?

[@earthstick]

It's the Limits one for me. So easy to swap between bikes and an inspired design. Although it has taken them longer than anticipated, they are now in production.

[@duanegran]

+earthstick I'm keen to see of Limits delivers, but as of April 25 (their last public update) they are "preparing for manufacturing". I wouldn't yet call them in production but every month that passes I hold out hope.

[@earthstick]

+Duane Gran My mistake, not quite in production yet. But they keep making progress and they are very close now. Personally I'm not surprised when a project to develop new technology does not go exactly as planned. If I had known about it while they were still looking for crowd funding then I might have been a bit worried but I think it is about to materialise now and their design is great.

[@LarsRehm]

Thanks for the useful article/video! One piece of information that I'd like to see included is Bluetooth connectivity. I am thinking about getting a Powermeter but am not using Garmin and ANT+. Instead I am recording ride data with various smartphones and Wahoo RFLKT/Sigma Smart computers. Those work great (especially the RFLKT) but Bluetooth is a much more convenient protocol to use with smartphones. I know that Stages comes with Bluetooth which had it top my short list so far, but I guess I should find out of Quarq does the same :)

[@mtkfrk]

What about bePRO? They have the same design as the PowerTap P1 and have excellent reviews. Also worth mentioning that Stages seem to be working on a dual crank power meter as spotted on Team Sky's bikes.

[@paulmckenna9477]

Just wanted to mention that I have been using the P1 pedals for about 9 months now. I don't agree that the pedals are still "in development". There have been several firmware updates that have solved all issues I have had with the pedals. Power readings are very consistent between sessions. Using real time comparisons between a G3, P1 pedals and a Computrainer, I have not observed the drift noted in the review starting at higher wattage. I think most of the criticisms have been addressed with firmware updates. Also updates to the Garmin app have also corrected some of the zero calibration and firmware installation issues noted elsewhere. I would highly recommend the pedals if portability is a priority for you. On the downside the pedals are heavy and their use of a special cleat which is not fully Keo compatible is disappointing. The pedals can be hard to clip into because of cleat design and how the pedals sometimes hang in a less than ideal position. For reference I have 4 years experience with 3 different Power Tap hubs and about 2 years of using a Computrainer. IMO trying to compare data between devices is a fools task. There are simply too many confounding factors. I tried many experiments and the deeper I got into it the more complicated it became. Head units, where power is measured, auto-zero, environmental conditions, etc all influence the data. Pick a device and stick with it. If you change devices you need to start a new dataset.

[@CJC94]

I went for the Favero Electronics BePro powermeter. it cost €500/£347 for single sided. It's pedal based like the powertap p1. Slightly harder to install but still doesn't take long. It's also nowhere near as chunky as the P1s. It deals with temperature changes well. My only gripe is the battery life isn't long enough but for €500 it's such a bargain I've been very happy with mine

[@HLaB75]

Good review! Its interesting that many of the bugs in LIMITs have been experienced by other PM's. LIMITS for me has been great indoors (relative to the price anyway) where temps are near constant but if it has problems outdoors with temp changes outdoors I may be looking for a new PM. Vectors 2s is my favourite just now due to its versatility and its ability to be upgraded to spd-sl but after watching the video Vector 3s may be out before that solving Garmin's bugs.

[@pahouseholder]

Brilliant video. Love your testing & reporting. Thank you!

[@philoso377]

A low cost power reading concept below : The use of force x distance = power. 1) force = chain tension, 2) distance = (feet / second) x second or speed x time. (distance is chain distance, ground distance is unnecessary) There are three preloaded inline idler rollers to pick up chain tension and speed. Idlers 1,2,3 are floating with top chain. At rest the chain passing through idlers zigzag along a V shape path through idlers 1,2,3 while idler 2 is at its lowest point wrt idlers 1,3. As chain tension increase, chain pushed idler 2 from its lowest point with a displacement in proportional to chain tension. Tension data is full of chain harmonics that needs to be averaged out. The chain speed is mixed with a local time clock to deduce chain distant data. This is a least sophisticated way from mechanical view is offering an low development and production cost option.

[@BenStrainmtb]

This is a great video, and all my local roads! So funny seeing them on here

[@MW2xAssasin]

Great review, but what about the new 4iiii 3D precision power meter? The 105 5800 version (left side only) is £350 on ProBikeKit.

[@marksmejkal4267]

interesting what you report about the p1s drifting high. Happened to me going from 330 stages 20 min power to 370 in one year. The times did not match the power improvement compared to competition.

[@philoso377]

Paddle and crank-arm sensors do not produce torque data directly. It uses two 90-degrees sensors and computing power to produce torque data. That made hub type power superior as it uses a single strain gauge measuring torque directly. It is however more mechanically and electrically challenged to implement, hence its price.

[@slostudent1221]

Well covered and well written. Thank you.

[@jozefgmuca8430]

Could you do a test of favero bepro pedals? I recently found out that those pedals are teh most sold power meter of all. And favero is anouncing new Assioma pedals (updated bepro) which are supposed to be installed exactly as normal pedals and have better clearance. Please test them :).

[@martinbird6456]

Worth repeating how impressive this review is compared to other bike channels. The time and effort you have put in is greatly appreciated. I too would of liked to have seen a few graphs and stats. At £300 a reasonable indoor trainer allows me some power based training each week which I translate to the road by feel and heart rate zones.

[@Watch_ur_kicks]

so what's the issue with ROTOR INpower ? in the sprints above 200w the accuracy is overstated ?

[@roberthaung8330]

Excellent review. Well done.

[@SKANDaR0875]

it would have been nice if the review included the 4iiii and powepod

[@MikeBMW]

As a, largely, recreational biker looking to improve on every ride, these prices are out of my range. Perhaps, given my aforementioned status, power meters are something better left behind, for me, and, for now, I should just rely on my heart rate monitor and my average MPH per ride? Any thoughts? Even so, loved the vid ... gave me much to ponder. Thanks!

[@level3tjg]

Maybe try the powerpod power meter... its pretty affordable at sub $300 on ebay. Also seems to do a fairly good job.

[@finnnation]

Great Vid!! Best Power meter run-down so far.

[@Superiorer]

Any chance you will include the Favero BePro pedals in the future?

[@jwillii_]

Have garmin solved the problems you were experiencing, and if I were to buy one now, would it be worth it? I'm talking about the 2s by the way. :)

[@jonathantamblyn7081]

Awesome review. Have you seen some of the issues with the Vector 2s (e.g. over/under-measuring during sprinting) solved with the Vector 3s that came out last year?

[@bikeradar]

We're still testing the Vector 3, but early indications are that accuracy has been improved. Watch this space for a full video review soon.

[@simonrano8072]

Great review Switching a crank is easier that swapping pedals and works for different bikes (Road/CX). How is stupid enough to buy a hub based power meter and be stucked with on wheel ?

[@richardharding9385]

+Simon Rano Me apparently I have 3 GS powertap hubs. I haven't found a 150mm long power crank yet, short legs & a cycling injury has forced me to go from 165 - 150 cranks in recent years. No problem with any of the hubs, just lack of power in the old legs these days. lol. Pedal tech looks promising, wonder if they would fit my short 70's cranks.

[@simonrano8072]

Richard Harding I would be really afraid tu use 1000 $ pedals considering the crash issues, these are in front line.

[@richardharding9385]

+Simon Rano True at that price I could get several nearly new powertap hubs. Bought all my hubs of ebay so far no problem other than replacing the worn out powertap rims with a better option. I knew at the time of purchase the rims were knackerd. Perhaps I will hang fire on the pedal option until they become more affordable.

[@simonrano8072]

purchasing the hub then building the wheel is still worth the money ? (not to mention your crank length issues that might be pretty rare, 165 mm is too long ?)

[@outdoorlife25]

Why no review of the 4iiii power meter? It's the lightest on the market (used by Etixx Quickstep), and the guys at 4iiii invented pedal based power meters before selling their design to Garmin.

[@casasecranks]

Nice vid guys, well done. Can you also review the Assiomas and cross reference? They should be pretty good and good price

[@anibaljesusdelgadillo2091]

Awesome review. How do they compare in regards to data readings?

[@jamesbland8919]

Great review. Interested on your thoughts of the Powertap C1 chainring based power meter.

[@vancel35]

+James Bland I've had one since they were released in September, and it's been good. With a clean and lubed drivetrain, it matches my coaches CompuTrainer for the full range of power up to over 1kw. During FTP tests or interval sessions, a clean drivetrain means I'm within 3w+/- but it averages out to equal to the computrainer. However, when my drivetrain is dirty, I can really see how much power is lost through a dirty drivetrain. It's about 10%, so around 20w at 200w and 30w at 300w. The next session I had a clean drivetrain, and it matched again.

[@KurtVogel88]

The weight argument against the G3 hub doesn't mean anything, 200-300 extra grams on a rear wheel means nothing unless you're racing long distances up grades of 8% or higher, nor does the extra drag from a shallower rim or a few more spokes.

[@fiddleronthebike]

very good review! Btw: my favorites where power2max and quark, too, and as I ride Campagnolo I got the power2max. Works perfect, not one single issue or dubious data and instalation was foolproof, quick and easy.

[@binbob9]

Brilliant video, always love Jamie's videos. Just a shame they didn't include 4iiii, which is much cheaper than anything else and is also used by Etixx Quick-step so can't be too bad.

[@giutubospatubo1546]

Power meter are useful, but prices are plain stupid! The whole cycling industry is having a feast while ripping people off.

[@antono2343]

Agree with you. But sometimes we come to a decision of what field of the cycling industry really help us more? A $400 power meter or a $400 cycling glasses. Some companies really want to ripped you off more than others. I’m with you brother. In my case I own a $400 PowerTap G3 and ride in a $20 cycling glasses.. 😉

[@smoked_meat9271]

where I can buy the boa replacement like more colour options like you do(yellow and blue)?

[@steffenstengardvilladsen3740]

How about the Precision powermeter from 4iiii Innovations ?

[@kay19833]

So info have a normal FSA Grosammer and I am looking towards getting the stages left only crank pwoermeter, can I go ahead? will it work with the other side(right side) of the crank with the FSA or I will have to get stages compatible right crank? They don't go in details about these things. Or should I just get the Garmin vector? I don't like the hub based or cranes based ones. I want the mobile ones, I don't care about the accuracy I just want consistency.

[@Stoffendous]

Anybody know which bike is used at 6:07?

[@dorpeling]

What kind of chainring are you using? Its asymetrical right? Is that for training purposes?

[@3shighoctane]

Don't the threads inside your crank arms wear faster if you're constantly swapping power pedals between bikes?

[@rachelgooden9981]

Sean Bellinger same thing I'm wondering. unless we don't swap as often as we think we need to? hmmmm

[@hossesarse]

When you're spending this much for components, it's always a good idea to clean every surface and do a careful job when threading fasteners. As long as you do that, the threads should not wear out.

[@irvingabbott6]

@bikerader I think you guys need to do an update on those power meter.

[@bikeradar]

Agreed! We're trying to make it happen, but its an incredibly time-consuming process.

[@golferchin76]

ROTOR has already released their 2INpower.

[@Tarmac2021]

very costly.......$$$$$$

[@frankspastic]

Thanks for the comprehensive review!!!

[@Zoomsterful]

Why have you guys never done a review on the Bepro pedals???

[@martinmacmahon4542]

I wonder this too. Bought a set and waiting for delivery. Reviews in other places shows they are OK.

[@Zoomsterful]

I have a set to and to be honest they are great! Just was curious on Bike Radars opinion of them :D

[@duvobikes3953]

I sell bePRO on duvobikes.com . $40 discount code available - probably the best offer available.

[@duvobikes3953]

Hi Chris - I have been selling & riding them for a year. Zero warranty returns, one buyer bought them to swop between his road bike and MTB (I dont recommend). The pedals on their own are excellent quality - better than a known brand. I have ridden SRM for 8 years & believe the bePRO will last just as long. full spares are available at sensible price

[@jamesturner9858]

Can you guys do a review on pioneer power meter?

[@stevenpalmer6939]

The InfoCrank Batteries should be SR44 not LR44. Note the difference in Volt and Capacity Code: LR44 Size: Coin Not rechargeable Height 5,1 mm Weight 1,95 g Diameter 11,5 mm Voltage 1,5 V Capacity 120 mAh Code: SR44 Size: Coin Not rechargeable Height 5.4 mm Weight 2.4 g Diameter 11.6 mm Voltage 1.55 V Capacity 180 mAh Havent replaced my batteries as yet. and its done way over 50hours whilst stored overnight in a cold garage. Praxis RIngs have'nt skipped a beat for me. You liked them here www.bikeradar.com/road/gear/category/components/chainring/chainring-road/product/review-praxis-works-standard-road-chainring-set-47709/

[@jhobbz45]

Any thoughts on brim brothers, BikeRadar?

[@bikedawg]

What brand of road shoes were you wearing---the ones with the blue and yellow BOA fastners?

[@bikeradar]

It's a Specialized S-Works Road, but we're not sure if they're normally available in the custom Procycling colours.

[@joshbissenden1207]

I've recently began looking into power meters. I have been leaning toward the Garmin pedals. I do not race, I enjoy getting out and doing just for the fitness. Would these be a good starting point?

[@hossesarse]

What are your goals, Josh? A power meter can be helpful if you want to improve and challenge yourself, but if you just want to get outdoors and enjoy riding, all the power, heart rate, and other meters can detract from your pleasurable & meaningful experience. It's easy to "Froome-out" and spend so much time focusing on your wattage and data that you never look up, which is one reason I force myself to put my Garmin in a jersey pocket and just get out and ride without letting the average watts and speed dominate the ride.

[@joshbissenden1207]

I think my goals are to get out and get myself back into shape after a long winter of really not doing much. I look at tons of data in my career as an IT professional, plus all the new technology really interests me. I recently added cadence to my Garmin. The first few times I was out I averaged between 80-90 and maxed around 110-115. I didn't think that was all bad considering I sometimes have a hard time getting out.

[@hossesarse]

Hey Josh. A powermeter can be useful even to a non-racer, but it won't automatically give you motivation. Are you already using a heart rate monitor? That would be the best place to start. IMO it would even be silly to have a power meter without a heart rate monitor. If you live somewhere with harsh or wet weather, you might also benefit more if you get an indoor trainer and there are a TON of great Tour de France videos and indoor training videos on KZbin for watching while riding your indoor trainer. I have Kreitler rollers with the resistance fan that blows directly on me to keep me cool while riding indoors. Even though I live in San DIego County, nearly half of my training miles are done on the rollers. Some people hate riding on indoor trainers, but I enjoy the ability to focus well on training hard without having to worry about the distractions of stoplights, stopsigns, vehicles, weather, flat tires, and all the other little interruptions. In addition to the Watts-per-kilo measurement. It's also really helpful to compare your heartrate-to-watts, to see your improvement. Check out GCNs (Global Cycling Network) KZbin page. They have a lot of indoor training sessions, and helpful advice about power meters. If you have already been training seriously and definitely know you'll be using it a lot, any of these meters would be great. If you are hoping this novelty will make you want to ride more, I'd get the cheapest one available, because you'll still have the measurements. And if there is a chance the novelty of knowing your watts may eventually wear off and you might not enjoy it as much, which would be a shame if you spent all that money on the SRM or one of the high dollar meters. Have fun, be safe and don't forget to ENJOY the process.

[@joshbissenden1207]

I have a heart rate monitor with my smart watch, however, it doesn't have the capability to sync to my Garmin. I would imagine I need to get a heart rate monitor made by Garmin to get the most out of that. As far as a trainer, I had one but it was a cheap one and it surely felt that way when I used it. No resistance whatsoever, so I never really got into doing that. I would absolutely love purchasing a quality trainer for those long winter months, I live in Michigan by the way, it can get brutal. I have recently been scanning the internet for trainers among other things related to cycling and I saw that they are now compatible with my Garmin which is really cool, cause I love looking at data, plus, it'll keep me in shape too. Do you have a trainer preference?

[@hossesarse]

Josh Bissenden HI again Josh. I'm a big fan (heh, unintentional joke) of Kreitler rollers with the "Killler Headwind" attachment. But everyone is different. The Killer Headwind is a fan that provides both a lot of resistance and a nice cool wind on you. The harder & faster you go, the more cooling wind blows on you. I got them because they are made in the US, but the downside is you can't really stand and sprint on them, and also the fan can't get you much beyond 800W before the air starts "slipping". I don't work for Kreitler (or anyone in the bike business) and just because it works great for me, you might prefer a fixed mount trainer, or a mechanical or fluid resistance unit, because it might be more likely to let you stand and sprint past 800W. Basically a verbose way of saying "My preference might not be your preference." Having an HR monitor compatible with your Garmin will enable you to download your workout data onto Garmin Connect, with all the graphs, totals, averages, and other neat metrics that will make your inner nerd giggle like a schoolgirl. As fun as the data is, I've had better results by focusing on breathing, position, staying hydrated and maintaining a fluid spin over the wattage and other numbers. It's funny, just looking at my current HR a little too long can make it go up a few bpm. Good luck and have fun!

[@dakshayshah6564]

is power pod is good option to buy for biginers ?

[@fatfruitfly5989]

When are you going to review riiii precision power meter?

[@TheDarkLegacy]

Excellent information, thank you for your dedication -- subscribed!

[@h3llb3nd4]

Why weren't there any Pioneer power meters in the test?

[@bikeradar]

+h3llb3nd4 +PlanesTrainsAutos The Pioneer wasn't available at the time. We'll bring you a test as soon as we can.

[@rollo6292]

BikeRadar is the infocrank The only one that does not need to be calibrated before every ride?

[@bunchacrybabies]

How is that? The Pioneer Power meter has been around since 2013.

[@kamaldeepsingh4346]

Top Marks... Great work

[@jtepsr]

what is the differnce between the cadence number and the power wattage number, are they relative? if you have cadence meter do you still need power meter. last question, if i am not a racer but want to improve, which one would be a reasonable investment. i am not willing to spend thousands on this.

[@Bohn101]

What and insanely awesome review and comparison.

[@gunngin3586]

Can you redo this test with newer models?

[@carlbyronrodgers]

Great analysis.Thank you.

[@jamesd5241]

awesome I'm going for a power 2 max. anyone know any faults or benefits they didn't mention for them

[@wuxiren64]

Got mine at thanksgiving. No Black Friday discount but they threw in Praxis chain rings free.

[@jamesd5241]

any good?

[@wuxiren64]

No prev experience w/ power meters, but I'm totally satisfied. Set it and forget it. No calibration. Never a data dropout or weird spike. Like others said, battery access doesn't require removing cranks, at least on a Cervelo R3.

[@jamesd5241]

thanks

[@AllenJaffe]

Great video , 2 x questions : The - Quarq ELSA RS seems to be discontinued ? Seems no longer online , www.quarq.com/store/item/1740/ Of all the new models, which would be the replacement , best one ? Dura Ace are close to launching their power meter, worth waiting ?

[@ptpetechapmanbodysvitalstr4469]

Cracking review demo the best so far. Shame I didn't watch this before upgrading my Crankset :(

[@justinbouchard]

46 seconds in and I have to chime in. Gonna watch anyways but here's my thoughts. Your pedals have movement sensors in them and so do your cranks. If the movement sensors in your pedals are moving, they are going to absorb some percentage of the power that's going to be recorded by the crank arm sensors. And vice-versa. I can definitely understand why you wanted to run them at the same time but to me it was a mistake. How can the sensor on the crank or the pedal measure the correct wattage when they both are simultaneously being stressed?

[@MyCyclingYear]

Why no 4iiii which is lightest most accurate power meter out there according to Independant study in Boulder Colorado ????

[@mazdeess]

What about the Ibike Power pod?

[@dallamdude232]

Forget the power meters, how about that bike! The Noah SL looks amazing with that colour scheme!!

[@chongp07]

Power2max or Quarq does not fit Shimano cranksets. You need to buy the Rotor as a replacement for P2Max and the chasis which incl the Red arms and new GxP BB for the Quarq.

[@BikeBodyMind]

great review! Thanks for this.

[@jjbrit5457]

Given a budget of 2000€, would you get a 1000€ bike and a power meter or a 2000€ bike?

[@hightechhighlander]

How is a set of pedals more transferable than a rear wheel?

[@bikeradar]

It's not, but it's more transferable than a rear hub. If you have multiple bikes and wheelsets then you only need to buy one pedal based power meter.

[@chantzenian]

Why wasnt the powerpod tested?

[@thenerdycanadian7172]

it's not really a traditional powermeter

[@szczepankonieczny1666]

Beacause of top nine was chossen depending on money those manufacturers paid for their toys? ;) Anyway powerpod has no GPS unit and need additional classic speedometer from wheel speed, no cadence in powerpod-basicly for this price around $300 you can not even register you track.... for me it is useless...

[@philipward1230]

Because it's not a power meter, it's a power estimator.

[@PazLeBon]

which might be sufficient for 90pc of riders to be fair

[@cHrRisToqH]

Chant Zenian j